So today in the car, my wife's D2 shut off, and when she tried to turn it on again, it came up to a black screen that says
Bootloader
D2.37
Battery OK
OK to program
Connect USB
Data Cable
Now, I have done everything under the sun to my Droid Incredible. I love that phone, but it's mine. I have never messed with my wife's D2. I never even rooted it. It has been nothing but a glitchy mess ever since she broke the first one, and got this as an insurance replacement. I honestly don't know much about it. I've never been a fan of Motorola.
I took it in to a VZW store and the guy told me it's broken, and a replacement is being mailed out, but won't get here till Monday. I cancelled the insurance long ago, so I'm guessing it's a warranty coverage?
Anyhow, my question I guess is this thing truly fried, or do I now have a license to mess around with it, since a replacement is coming? And what if anything can I mess around with? I know VZW employees at their stores know very little and when it comes to the technical aspects of the Android OS, they know even less. (I actually argued with an employee a year ago over how worthless Task killers are and he should stop installing them onto peoples phones for them,. before I had to stop and walk away)
Have you tried to flash a stock SBF to it yet?
I know this really isn't on topic, but could you explain why task killers are useless? Not that I don't believe you, I just always though that I was saving battery by not having the CPU work as hard. I also have noticed that my phone always seems to lag until I end whatever program I was just in after going back to the home screen and trying to run something else. I'm on an Eris currently, just got a DROID 2 have not put it on my account yet though.
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So today in the car, my wife's D2 shut off, and when she tried to turn it on again, it came up to a black screen that says
Bootloader
D2.37
Battery OK
OK to program
Connect USB
Data Cable
Now, I have done everything under the sun to my Droid Incredible. I love that phone, but it's mine. I have never messed with my wife's D2. I never even rooted it. It has been nothing but a glitchy mess ever since she broke the first one, and got this as an insurance replacement. I honestly don't know much about it. I've never been a fan of Motorola.
I took it in to a VZW store and the guy told me it's broken, and a replacement is being mailed out, but won't get here till Monday. I cancelled the insurance long ago, so I'm guessing it's a warranty coverage?
Anyhow, my question I guess is this thing truly fried, or do I now have a license to mess around with it, since a replacement is coming? And what if anything can I mess around with? I know VZW employees at their stores know very little and when it comes to the technical aspects of the Android OS, they know even less. (I actually argued with an employee a year ago over how worthless Task killers are and he should stop installing them onto peoples phones for them,. before I had to stop and walk away)
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It's not fried at all. But you need to keep the battery pulled out for now. When the battery gets low at the screen you are at, it becomes "Unable to Program" which horribly means that you have to either pop in a different, fully charged battery, or acquire a factory programming cable which can be bought from Team Blackhat. This is funny you asked this question because my factory programming cable came in today. They are very handy to have around if you will ever be messing around with the software on a Motorola Android device. Basically to get to any other screen from that, you have to use Motorola's own programming software which is called RSD Lite, and you can find plenty of links to here in this forum. It doesn't take long at all to download and install, just a couple of minutes. What you do with that program is use it to re-program the phone with the original software, which Moto calls an SBF in this case. Also which you can find in these forums. Sorry I can't give you any links, I'm multi-tasking as it is. Just look for SBF and RSD Lite. But the number one thing right this second is TAKE THE BATTERY OUT until you are about to program. Good luck bro!
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It's not fried at all. But you need to keep the battery pulled out for now. When the battery gets low at the screen you are at, it becomes "Unable to Program" which horribly means that you have to either pop in a different, fully charged battery, or acquire a factory programming cable which can be bought from Team Blackhat. This is funny you asked this question because my factory programming cable came in today. They are very handy to have around if you will ever be messing around with the software on a Motorola Android device. Basically to get to any other screen from that, you have to use Motorola's own programming software which is called RSD Lite, and you can find plenty of links to here in this forum. It doesn't take long at all to download and install, just a couple of minutes. What you do with that program is use it to re-program the phone with the original software, which Moto calls an SBF in this case. Also which you can find in these forums. Sorry I can't give you any links, I'm multi-tasking as it is. Just look for SBF and RSD Lite. But the number one thing right this second is TAKE THE BATTERY OUT until you are about to program. Good luck bro!
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Hey,
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately the replacement phone arrived from VZW and we just sent the old one back. I would have loved to try to play with it. It's funny you say that about the battery. She has a VERY low battery and had just plugged it into the car charger. That charger acts funny with inconsistant charging. I just thought maybe the charger sent a surge or something that fried it.
Oh well. She doesn't like me playing with her phone anyway, but if I could use the excuse "it's dead anyway" she didn't care.
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I know this really isn't on topic, but could you explain why task killers are useless? Not that I don't believe you, I just always though that I was saving battery by not having the CPU work as hard. I also have noticed that my phone always seems to lag until I end whatever program I was just in after going back to the home screen and trying to run something else. I'm on an Eris currently, just got a DROID 2 have not put it on my account yet though.
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Ever since the release of Froyo 2.2 and even Eclair 2.1, Task killers became obsolete. They are used under the assumption that they save battery life, but actually they don't and they cause instability in the Operating system. There are countless articles on this if you google it. A task killer indiscriminately force closes apps that are running in the backround even they aren't truly running. Meaning they are loaded into the Ram, but they are not using any processor cycles...i.e. not causing any battery drain. The OS loads certain programs and scripts into the Ram, so when the device needs it, it can open it much faster. If the task killer shuts them down, the OS needs to reload them causing the phone to appear slower, and possibly more processor cylce....i.e. more battery drain.
The even worse part is that the android OS shares services between apps and programs. So if a service from one app is shared with another, but the task killer shuts it down, it will cause a repeated cycle of the phone reopening, but the task killer constantly closing it. This in turn uses MORE processor cycles and MORE battery power.
The first few android versions didn't manage memory well so task killers were important, but the OS has evolved to where they are more detrimental than good. And moron kiosk workers know nothing about it, but install it on unknowing customers phones for them thinking it is something the customer needs. THAT is the part that annoys me.
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Hey guys,
I have had my Nexus for a little more than a week. I am loving this thing. I don't know how I have survived without it. I came from the darkside(BlackBerry).
Anyway, I have a few questions I need help with. I have searched and looked around and tried various things which I will detail in whats to come.
ROM: CyanogenMod 5.0.6
Recovery: RA-nexus-v1.7.0-cyan
Radio: 4.04.00.03_2
Kernal: 2.6.33.3 Pershoot OC - UV
Build: EPE54B
Theme: Nextheme
First:
I have been having issues sending/receiving MMS. I have my APN settings setup for TMO USA. I searched and found a few different ways to configure it, but all of them were to no avail. I use Handcent for messaging. Sometimes I can receive MMS and send them just fine, and other times I can not. Sometimes when I receive them it automatically downloads them like one would think it should, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes when I click the "download" option it downloads and works, and sometimes it simply does not. I have called TMO and HTC and never really seemed to get anywhere with it other than following their directions. Is their anything else anyone might be able to think of, other than wiping and starting from scratch?
The other things on this first subject is a little less of a mess, and not such a deal. How can I send a MMS with a picture AND audio. I could do it on my Blackberry, and I can even receive MMS with Pic/Aud on my Nexus, but how the heck do I send a MMS with both at the same time? I am sure their has to be a way and im just not using my head here...
Second thing:
I'll start by saying...Battery life. LOL
I have been playing with different kernals thinking maybe sooner or later i'll strike the gold one and find one that I want to keep. My phone is getting like 7ish hours of light to moderate usage before it starts dropping below 10% or so. I don't know if it is just me, but I really expected a LITTLE more. I have the OC and UV kernal as described above. I have Setcpu setup to adjust cpu speed according to battery life. I tried the 'ole go into recovery and clear cache's and battery stats and charge for 30min or so after the "green light" on phone trick, and that seemed to help me get maybe 30min or so more of use, but nothing drastic. I also found a thread on here about battery life and playing with the *#*#4636#*#* and the different network options trick. That has not really seemed to do anything either. Does anyone know of any way to isolate this issue? I use Advanced Task Killer, and have it setup to kill the crap every hour. I have noticed when I turn phone on ATK says I have ~200ish mb free of memory, and when phone starts to die I have around 120mb free.
While I am on battery life issue, the next issue I have possibly ties in with it. I am using HelixLauncher2 and think it may be the culprit...After 12ish hours or so the phone gets super slow, and unresponsive and the HL2 FC's some. The phone is practically unusable until I do a reboot. Would this have something to do with the Kernal? Any suggestions here guys?
Well if you managed to read this whole fiasco, thanks!
If their is any tips or advice you guys could give, it would be very much so appreciated. I love the phone to death, but the battery life, MMS issue/s, and slow/unresponsive issues have to go be straightened out and it will the best phone in the world(to/for me) lol. I think most/part of my issues are the kernal and the HL2, but I really am not sure. I am new the the Android scene, but am trying to learn quick, fast and in a hurry. I rooted the 2nd day I had the device haha
Thanks again,
Blaine
Any takers? Please? Is really appreciate it.
I don't experience any of the issues you do, where are you located? Is there another T mobile Sim you can use to see if there is something wrong on the end? Do you think there is a possible hardware fault? Had you used the phone stock for a month or so before you rooted?
Its sad to say, but from what you're explaining, as I have the same setup as you, it could definitely be a hardware issue
All things considered based on your post were I you I would reflash first. I would consider using the kangorama rom which already has all the core stuff you listed built in and working correctly. Wipe everything before hand.
Once I did that I would only add the crucial apps and see if anything is whacked. Chances are the core apps like handcent that people commonly use and you will be using frequently should be fine. Only after I knew that was ok would I start adding in the rest of the apps. I would add them in a few at a time and keep an eye on the battery. Consider ditching atk and trying system panel. It gives you a lot more tools for finding offenders. This is really the use of app killers, dealing with runaway apps. They can also be handy for stopping bat killers that are not runaways. By this I mean an app like trapster. It needs to run in the background to work properly but uses a lot of battery. In order to kill it when I am done with it I have to switch to it and drill a menu. With system panel I just hit one button to close all running apps that I have not exluded. At any rate killing apps willy nilly is not going to solve your problem and works against the memory management scheme which is pretty solid.
Once you have a solid core to work with you can start looking at the little things like how often you are getting weather updates, stock updates, email, etc. A high frequency with these things can use a fair bit of extra battery and if you dont need email (for instance) every 15 minutes you lose nothing when one hour is adequate. There are tons of battery threads with tips and this is only one example.
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Second thing:
I'll start by saying...Battery life. LOL
I have been playing with different kernals thinking maybe sooner or later i'll strike the gold one and find one that I want to keep. My phone is getting like 7ish hours of light to moderate usage before it starts dropping below 10% or so. I don't know if it is just me, but I really expected a LITTLE more.
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Regarding your battery life, assuming you glanced over the sticky guide in this forum, you should kinda expect about 8 hours of bat. life with moderate use. This thing has a badass snapdragon + 3D chip + awesome screen.. Battery tech hasn't really been keeping up with the consumption and power of PDAs.
It's not N1's fault, google mentioned on the conference that about 8-10 hour day is what you get from these devices.
The times of week-lasting batteries are gone with black-n-white brick nokias.
Thanks for all the help guys. I have probably 120ish applications installed. I only had/used the N1 for 2 days before rooting and "going all out" lol. There are many things for me to try. Is System Panel an application, or built into settings? I suppose the 8-10 hours thing is probably abour right, it is a pretty badass phone. LOL I guess I am going to have to consider a extra battery/cradle though. I wonder if they make something for auto that is a cradle/spare battery charger..hmm lol I am just so befuddled, I know with time one of two things will happen though. One being I just get used to it and deal with it, or two software/os/ firmware and kernals just keep getting better until issues really are oleviated haha.
Thanks again guys! If anyone else has anything they would like to throw out, I am still all ears. I am new to this forum, but appears to be a great bunch of guys here, so I hope to become a active useful contributing member to the forum!
Thanks!
The super horrible battery life is probably you playing with your new toy a crap ton once you stop playing with all the candy and pick out the gems it will improve
Yeah, I am sure their is probably a ton of crap I will probably end up getting rid of..It all seem so intriguing coming from a Blackberry that you can't do anything terribly exciting with, to this which has an application for ANYTHING and everything you could ever want to do..I am blown away by the amount/kind of applications for this thing. WiTether being one of them..My mind is blown by the customizationability(is that a word?) of this thing. I love Blackberrys, and sorry but NOTHING touches their email handling, but this thing...Its just so dang much fun to own!
Really though, the one thing no one touched on was my question about MMS and how to send one with a picture & ring tone attached. If I could do it on my DingleBerry, there has to be a way on N1. How does one do that with the trusty 'ole N1 here?
Thanks!
Blaine
Alright, so I think I bricked my phone! I had put android on it. 2.2 bluetopia? and everything was running fine. My battery was low so I go to charge it, but before I do that a page I was loading from the net froze on me without realizing and the screen dident turn off. I left and did some things and come back to the phone, screen is still on, still frozen and EXTREMELY hot. I get really nervous and get my phone and its to the point where I cant even hold it for too long without it hurting my hands. I take out the battery and pray for the best. My praying sucks apparently because now it does not turn on. Ive tryed letting the phone cool down though the night and it does not turn on. Ive tryed taking out sim card and mem card and it does not turn on. Ive tryed taking out the battery and plugging the the charger it does not turn on. Ive tryed with the battery with the charger it does not turn on! phone gets warm when I put the battery back in. Light that indicates when its charging with the charger doesnt turn on. only slight good news is when I turn the power on I feel a slight vibration from the phone like if its trying to turn on but just cant. Hope someone could shed some light and let me know If I should just move on because this sucks!!!!
ps. I hope people learn from my mistake.
pss. What are the return polices from htc or tmobile? Im concerned because I bought the phone second hand.
thanks for reading/helping.
As far as any return/exchange, it's definitely a no on both HTC &T-Mobile... And if she won't even boot at all, it sounds like a classic but common overclocking mishap.
Sorry to say, but it may be time to move on.
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One question for my personal understanding: Android ROMS that are offered here on the board are not innatelly overclocking my HD2, are they?! Now I´m really anxious, due to the fact that i´m using biffmod and my HD2 gets much warmer during strong usage (e.g. gaming)
Try doing a hard reset
Hold Volume up and call end button, it will go to the multi color screen and do a factory reset, this will erase all your data.
If possible, can you try a different battery? If you killed the battery by overheating (which is often easier than killing the phone using the same method), it might not even get to the first screen without power. A sure sign to see if it's your battery, is check the feel of it. if it's in any way bulged or kinda squishy it's probably fried, and if it's just the battery that's a lot cheaper than the whole phone.
In fact, I've gotten quite a few nice phones for real cheap, since the original owner thought it was "broken", when all it needed was a new battery.
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If possible, can you try a different battery? If you killed the battery by overheating (which is often easier than killing the phone using the same method), it might not even get to the first screen without power. A sure sign to see if it's your battery, is check the feel of it. if it's in any way bulged or kinda squishy it's probably fried, and if it's just the battery that's a lot cheaper than the whole phone.
In fact, I've gotten quite a few nice phones for real cheap, since the original owner thought it was "broken", when all it needed was a new battery.
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+1 on this. I also had one phone like this before. Change the battery.
it ended up being the motherboard. i sent it in for repairs through htc and they fixwe it. i tryed your guys suggestions on trying a different battery but it still would not turn on. lesson learned, Im going to try to avoid Android on my phone from now on.
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it ended up being the motherboard. i sent it in for repairs through htc and they fixwe it. i tryed your guys suggestions on trying a different battery but it still would not turn on. lesson learned, Im going to try to avoid Android on my phone from now on.
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Hate to hear what happened, but staying away from Android doesn't really seem like a solution to me. The percentage of bricks due to Android is very small, so I'd say go out, have fun with your phone while it's still up to date (lets face it, hardware improves too quick) and don't be left behind with WinMo 6.5. That's just not worth it imo. If you stick to non-overclocked kernels you really are pretty safe.
probably go 2 the shop and try 2 get a battery tested into your HD2
if that works, buy the battery
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Hate to hear what happened, but staying away from Android doesn't really seem like a solution to me. The percentage of bricks due to Android is very small, so I'd say go out, have fun with your phone while it's still up to date (lets face it, hardware improves too quick) and don't be left behind with WinMo 6.5. That's just not worth it imo. If you stick to non-overclocked kernels you really are pretty safe.
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you know what, you make a lot of sense. i did enjoy android quite a bit and will continue to use it. funny thing is I bought the hd2 just for android and did that until my phone broke and now im kinda liking winmo a lot now.
I am running CM7 nightlies on my G2, a few days out dated because I have been insanely busy lately... But today in class my phone heated up insanely bad. Sizzled my finger on the metal back plate. I immediately ripped the battery out and let it cool. I think the battery bloated a little bit.
When I put it back in after cooling, all seems normal. The battery started out at 85% and drained to 44% during this. All I can think is that I charged it on the way home to top it off from about 50 to 85% battery, and then topped off a little more, bout ten minutes while at home. Got back to class and then it happened a few minutes later.
Also, I used SetCPU....BUT not overclocking, I had it stock speed, on demand governor, and screen off profile to 245mhz.
What could cause this? I called tmobile and they wanna swap out the phone itself because the battery is not currently bloated so it must be device related.
I am scared to let them swap it out, because I don't wanna revert my phone back to stock, and then have to root the new one. Are ALL G2's rootable? I don't want to risk getting a new one that can't be cracked
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I am running CM7 nightlies on my G2, a few days out dated because I have been insanely busy lately... But today in class my phone heated up insanely bad. Sizzled my finger on the metal back plate. I immediately ripped the battery out and let it cool. I think the battery bloated a little bit.
When I put it back in after cooling, all seems normal. The battery started out at 85% and drained to 44% during this. All I can think is that I charged it on the way home to top it off from about 50 to 85% battery, and then topped off a little more, bout ten minutes while at home. Got back to class and then it happened a few minutes later.
Also, I used SetCPU....BUT not overclocking, I had it stock speed, on demand governor, and screen off profile to 245mhz.
What could cause this? I called tmobile and they wanna swap out the phone itself because the battery is not currently bloated so it must be device related.
I am scared to let them swap it out, because I don't wanna revert my phone back to stock, and then have to root the new one. Are ALL G2's rootable? I don't want to risk getting a new one that can't be cracked
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That's really odd...maybe the phone had a defect or something but yes all G2s can be rooted/s-off since we haven't had any new updates from t-mobile to prevent us from rooting the phone
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That makes me feel better, if I have to replace.
They were going to call me in 20 minutes after I started charging it during the initial call, but they called my wife's Vibrant which never rang, I just got a voice mail notification They left message, and I have no way of calling that particular rep back in technical without going through the entire process over again But, it's still charging, went from about 35%-80% and it's not hot at all. I'm just very confused how this is an isolated thing.
I'm about to be gone from home for 5 weeks, and need my phone, Worst timing ever for this
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That makes me feel better, if I have to replace.
They were going to call me in 20 minutes after I started charging it during the initial call, but they called my wife's Vibrant which never rang, I just got a voice mail notification They left message, and I have no way of calling that particular rep back in technical without going through the entire process over again But, it's still charging, went from about 35%-80% and it's not hot at all. I'm just very confused how this is an isolated thing.
I'm about to be gone from home for 5 weeks, and need my phone, Worst timing ever for this
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Ah I see... anyways just tell the new rep, tell that you already called another rep and was about to give you a replacement but something happen or something... it will make the process faster. when will you leave? T-mobile can send you the replacement phone if you pay 20$ it will get to your house in 1-3 days rather than the normal 3-7 days
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I'm just wary to change the entire phone out and keep the part that scares me into the new one. If I have a problem, I'll call them. It seems to have been just that once. I'll be leaving in about a week probably, and phone is vital. so I hope I get this figured out.
Do NAND backups swap to new phones? Like just NAND this one how it is, and stick it onto my replacement? Or does it backup things specific to that exact phone?
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I'm just wary to change the entire phone out and keep the part that scares me into the new one. If I have a problem, I'll call them. It seems to have been just that once. I'll be leaving in about a week probably, and phone is vital. so I hope I get this figured out.
Do NAND backups swap to new phones? Like just NAND this one how it is, and stick it onto my replacement? Or does it backup things specific to that exact phone?
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Once you get your new replacement you have to reroot/S-off your phone again and flash clockwork. If you have any backups in your sd card just flash your backup and you will have the same stuff you had on your old phone.
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I know, I just mean are Nand's specific lol.
Full charged, no issues... so I'll just keep a really good eye on it. I'm just wondering WTF made it do that. I'm kinda wary to run setCPU now
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I know, I just mean are Nand's specific lol.
Full charged, no issues... so I'll just keep a really good eye on it. I'm just wondering WTF made it do that. I'm kinda wary to run setCPU now
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Lol ohh... well nand for g2 yes.
Lol maybe by chance you overclocked?
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I used to OC to 1.5ghz all the time but not in a long time I need it to get the best battery life possible these days
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I used to OC to 1.5ghz all the time but not in a long time I need it to get the best battery life possible these days
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Aha I see. Well what I do is I put it 1.5 ghz but on ondemand. Never gets hot at all but when I put it on profomance it heats up quickly. Lol have u tried MUIU? Its pretty good.
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Either the battery itself is fried, or some SOFTWARE you're running is responsible. Swapping out the phone itself is pointless. Try a WIPE and see if the problem doesn't come back. If it does, replace the BATTERY.
I didn't read if yo ugot it fixed, but check your battery status... liek what's been using that. I had that one time and like my email app for example used a **** load... I reflashed it and started it from new and it's fixed now.
exactly what is the point of overclocking on the G2?
I can tell why youd use SetCPU on the G1 but what is the point of doing it on the G2?
I really have failed to understand the purpose.
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exactly what is the point of overclocking on the G2?
I can tell why youd use SetCPU on the G1 but what is the point of doing it on the G2?
I really have failed to understand the purpose.
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What's the point in having leather seats, cloth works fine. Why thongs, granny panties get the job done.
Why overclock? Because we can
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What's the point in having leather seats, cloth works fine. Why thongs, granny panties get the job done.
Why overclock? Because we can
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Yes, except that sometimes these hacks can cause problems, so before concluding that the hardware is defective, it is important to return the software to a more natural state and see if the problem goes away. If the problem is present with the hacks and not when without, then it is reasonable to conclude that there is a correlation between the problem and the hack.
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Yes, except that sometimes these hacks can cause problems, so before concluding that the hardware is defective, it is important to return the software to a more natural state and see if the problem goes away. If the problem is present with the hacks and not when without, then it is reasonable to conclude that there is a correlation between the problem and the hack.
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+1 I do agree with that
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Oh ok...nuf sed! I am in agreement...
But if I see granny pants on any of my dates then...date is over!
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Yes, except that sometimes these hacks can cause problems, so before concluding that the hardware is defective, it is important to return the software to a more natural state and see if the problem goes away. If the problem is present with the hacks and not when without, then it is reasonable to conclude that there is a correlation between the problem and the hack.
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For the record, tmobile concluded that it's hardware, not me *can't exactly say I have it fully rooted/modded* and the only reason I called them was that my wife used to work for verizon and it was a known issue that a certain battery style/make/whatever was known to have this exact issue. So she told me to call and ask if it was some known problem that I could tell them my serial to identify if my battery falls under those conditions. They said since it wasn't still bloated by the time I called them, it must be the phone. I talked them out of sending me a replacement... that I'll see if it comes back and immediately call them lol.
I haven't had the issue come back, I think I'm on Nightly 3, and I'm about to flash the latest but I want the battery more charged before I do so. I got like 3x the battery life today than I did the other day.
For whoever asked, I haven't tried MIUI, looks pretty interesting but I'm quite a die hard Cyanogen guy lol. I wish it came to the vibrant
THE GET RICH QUICK SCHEME:
1. Keep phone.
2. Keep using phone the way it is.
3. Induce it to blow up.
4. Sue HTC
5. ? ? ?
6. Profit
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED THE QUESTION MARKS LOL... remember the "droid x that blew up while I was talking on it and it cut my face/I smashed my droid x I want a refund trolol" guy?
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I dunno, must just be me but I completely love this phone.
I'm going to be soon getting either the 4g FFC or the revision 2 FFC. Have not completely decided yet. ( I already have v1 of the FFC and I'm fine with how it acts... I don't often take pictures in the dark, ha.)
With the v1 FFC and bionix 1.3.1 with overstock. The phone is very responsive.. I do get a slight lag in between downloading and installing stages of getting apps, but that's far from the end of the world for me.
Besides that this phone is honestly perfect! I don't know what more I could want from a phone, haha.
I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
I love my vibrant had it since release....
Waiting for the S2, other than that this phone has been GREAT !!
I love my phone. It really is wonderful.
samsung can eat a ____.
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This is definitely a great phone with tons of possibilities.
A solid gps and a flash for the camera
I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.
The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.
The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
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I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
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i love does big things bro but i love my vibrant
I want mine to do my chores
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A solid gps and a flash for the camera
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The GPS deal , well... that's hit or miss it seems. Mine on the other hand works perfect and has worked fine since I got it right after release.
Flash... well ya knew it didn't have flash when you went to get it, so... yeah.
I love this phone. It's tough , even though it feels light and wimpy. It's super fast, the screen is beautiful and there's so many ROMs and mods to customize it the way you like it that I'm never bored with it.
Had a galaxy s 4G, it was a disappointment but I miss the ffc!
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I just wish the GPS would lock in a little quicker and that the battery was a little better.
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I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.
The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.
The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
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I never understood the cheap feeling people got from it either, and I had a hd2 that is supposed to be the best build quality in a phone, my vibrant may not be that solid, but hell, its solid....
It's plastic and yea it feels cheap. The HD2 is in another dimension. It does feel cheap, but that's nothing a Body Glove or Otterbox case can't fix trivially.
The battery and GPS is a bigger issue, though... Both of those are terrible. If I take my Vibrant off the charger and never use it, 30% of the time the phone will drain to nothing in 4 hours. I have no clue how it's doing it, why it's doing it. The battery is good (I've tried a brand new Stock Samsung OEM battery replacement) and it still happens. It has the most Volatile Battery Life I've ever experienced in a Mobile Phone, or any mobile device, ever...
A couple months ago I went to Houston for a couple days and forgot to take my Wall Charger... I ended up having to plug my phone into the Samsung HDTV in the room becasue the battery was dying all over the place. I had to stand there tethered to a television just to use my phone. Wanted to talk? Go to the TV. Check your Twitter/Email? You know where to go...
Even on the car charger, the phone would barely charge. I was basically < 50% charge 90% of the time I was there, and even had to turn my phone off for like 3-4 hours when I was getting stuff done to make sure it didn't die on me.
That is something I had never experienced using my Windows Mobile (6.5) devices or Aria, and the HD7 doesn't do this. The Blackberry Bold I tried out for a couple weeks could go 2-3 days with extremely heavy usage on one charge, and charged fast as ****... Even on a Car Charger while being used.
The GPS in the Vibrant was constantly putting me on the wrong road, or on the service road when I was on the other side of the Interstate. At intersections, the GPS would bug out and it would take it upwards of 1-2 minutes to straighten itself out.
Back to the battery. I think the cell radio is killing it. When the phone is on WiFi, it can work about 18-24 hours before it you have to turn it off, because it's not using the cell radio for anything. So, I think a lot of people who say their battery is so good are probably on WiFi most of the time, and likely don't make that many phone calls.
As far as updates are concerned, KA6 was a hail mary and I think Samsung would like to not have this phone even be mentioned in headlines, since those same articles will just remind potential buyers of their other phones just how terrible their Android support/updating actually is. They want to move on. They even bothered to miff up the Software on their WP7 devices. If Samsung touches any software, they will make sure they find a way to miff it up.
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It's plastic and yea it feels cheap. The HD2 is in another dimension. It does feel cheap, but that's nothing a Body Glove or Otterbox case can't fix trivially.
The battery and GPS is a bigger issue, though... Both of those are terrible. If I take my Vibrant off the charger and never use it, 30% of the time the phone will drain to nothing in 4 hours. I have no clue how it's doing it, why it's doing it. The battery is good (I've tried a brand new Stock Samsung OEM battery replacement) and it still happens. It has the most Volatile Battery Life I've ever experienced in a Mobile Phone, or any mobile device, ever...
A couple months ago I went to Houston for a couple days and forgot to take my Wall Charger... I ended up having to plug my phone into the Samsung HDTV in the room becasue the battery was dying all over the place. I had to stand there tethered to a television just to use my phone. Wanted to talk? Go to the TV. Check your Twitter/Email? You know where to go...
Even on the car charger, the phone would barely charge. I was basically < 50% charge 90% of the time I was there, and even had to turn my phone off for like 3-4 hours when I was getting stuff done to make sure it didn't die on me.
That is something I had never experienced using my Windows Mobile (6.5) devices or Aria, and the HD7 doesn't do this. The Blackberry Bold I tried out for a couple weeks could go 2-3 days with extremely heavy usage on one charge, and charged fast as ****... Even on a Car Charger while being used.
The GPS in the Vibrant was constantly putting me on the wrong road, or on the service road when I was on the other side of the Interstate. At intersections, the GPS would bug out and it would take it upwards of 1-2 minutes to straighten itself out.
Back to the battery. I think the cell radio is killing it. When the phone is on WiFi, it can work about 18-24 hours before it you have to turn it off, because it's not using the cell radio for anything. So, I think a lot of people who say their battery is so good are probably on WiFi most of the time, and likely don't make that many phone calls.
As far as updates are concerned, KA6 was a hail mary and I think Samsung would like to not have this phone even be mentioned in headlines, since those same articles will just remind potential buyers of their other phones just how terrible their Android support/updating actually is. They want to move on. They even bothered to miff up the Software on their WP7 devices. If Samsung touches any software, they will make sure they find a way to miff it up.
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One quick remark on what you said regarding Cell drainage vs. Wifi, that's just not true. At least in my case it isn't.
Today for example I took my phone off the charger about 8 a.m and by the time I walked out of uni 8 hours later I had 78% left. All this while making about a total of 70 minutes of calls not to mention a couple of texts.
Now when I reached home I turned on my wifi and started doing my net business, that got me to 15% in less than 4 hours. Without doing any calls/texts in the process.
What more could I want in a phone?
How about no interface or response lag? I'm running Bionix V 1.3.1 with Voodoo lagfix enable, and there's still some lag in the response.
I'd also like the GPS to work every time with accuracy at least matching my 2+ year old G1.
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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This made me lol so a thanks hit...
Also 3g uses more battery than being on wifi to the person talking about wifi draining their ****....
I have excellent battery life...
xtone said:
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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haha I wanted to say this but I might get flame. lol
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I have managed to kill my S2 by playing far too much Hot Springs Story (great game!)
While playing (we're talking a good couple/few hours), I noticed that even though when the phone is connected to the supplied charger, the handset requires more current than this is able to provide, and still discharges the battery (albeit, much slower).
I got a couple of 'battery temperature too high or too low, charging has been paused' while playing, as the phone was sat on my desk, I thought nothing of it.
The next morning I saw the handset had the same battery warning on screen, and was almost completely discharged (although the handset was still on). I knew something was not right then.. The phone was very hot in the casing to the right of the battery (when looking at it from the back). I guess this is where the charging circuit is, but I really dont know.
I couldnt get the battery to charge any more than a few seconds, either when the phone was booted into Android or in its off state. I managed to reload stock KE7 (which was already installed) just to see if it made a difference, it didn't :-/
The phone then refused to co-operate with the battery at all, and simply displayed a yellow exclamation mark next to the empty battery graphic on screen.
I bought a new spare battery of ebay, hoping that the intense discharge/recharge cycle had just wrecked the original battery, but unfortunately the replacement only charged for ~5-10minutes before showing the same yellow exclamation mark :-/ I guess its the charging circuity thats failed.
The handset was from O2 on PAYG, I debranded it by putting stock KE7 on it, and a few counts on the custom kernel flash counter, I'm hoping I can warranty it without too much hassle, but I am a bit anxious that technically O2/Samsung dont have to honour the warranty.. I'll let people know how it goes..
Missing my handset!
hmm, that sucks. so it does really overheat when charging... wow, that sucks a lot! normally when the battery is full, it stops charging and the temperature returns to normal, even though it is connected to the charger.
i guess the same could potentially happen while on a trip and charging/consuming battery using satnav, or listening to music.
not good.
Nothing you did (except rooting) is extraordinary use. They promote its use for games and that's what you were doing. I'm guessing Samsung Tech will probably just replace the phone rather than try and repair it. Good luck.
i got my phone about 1 week ago and only charged it about 6 - 7 times since i got.
Well on my second charge the battery was on zero phone turned off so i connect it to the wall charger and i got the yellow exclamation mark!!!! took the battery off put it back on and it started charging.
And just than on my 7-8th charge my phone was out of battery off so i decided to charge it off my laptop and i connect it to see i get the yellow exclamation mark again while phone is off. But this time i took the battery off put it back in wouldn't work. So i kept trying it after about 5 mins of connecting disconnecting the cable i managed to get it to start charging. (this time at work so had no power point charger)
EDIT: Australian Optus branded phone with no firmware change (still stock, no root, nothing).
Sorry to hear this mate. I also noticed the battery going down faster than it was charging, while playing Retro defense. And the device was getting really hot. If this can damage the phone then I'll stop playing that much with it.
Maybe you have a faulty one?
Here is my finding regarding heat
While running some tests for the robo defense dev to provide a log file so that he can get the freezing issue addressed, i did notice that my phone was getting extremely hot.
I've played plants vs zombie, grave defense hd, etc on charger and i've never gotten close to the heat felt through the phone today once robo defense frozed and i didn't close the app for a good while to create a log dump using adb
Could it be possible that some of these rogue apps are driving the device to 100% usage causing it to heat up?
how hot is extremely hot? The hottest I caught mine at was 48°c. That was while playing a game and charging at the same time
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how hot is extremely hot? The hottest I caught mine at was 48°c. That was while playing a game and charging at the same time
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i didn't smell anything funny but it didn't feel safe letting it run endlessly
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Could it be possible that some of these rogue apps are driving the device to 100% usage causing it to heat up?
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I think that is EXACTLY what's going on... I truly believe some of these games are either not written or optimized for this phone's dual core processor. I can play most games with no problems, including some of the bigger Gameloft games. But, there are a select few games that get the device way too hot for my liking... like Sky Force Reloaded. I have never played it completely through because I can feel just how hot the phone gets even through the case.
I think these issues will be ironed out in time, but definitely app dependent right now.
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I think these issues will be ironed out in time, but definitely app dependent right now.
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Definitely true for me. I can play many games for an extended period of time. Plants Vs Zombies, Death Worm, even something graphics intensive like Modern Combat 2 is no problem. But, if I play 10 minutes of Bonzai Blast it's radiating heat and the battery has lost 10%.
Sorry to read this mate.
On a side note, they say 2.3.4 will utilise Galaxy 2's hardware better, it will be more battery efficient and not overheating as much... So until then it may be a good idea not to "abuse" it too much (I know it sound crazy, but hell...)
Quick update:
I've returned the phone to the O2 store today for repair.
This was in its debranded state with the stock KE7 firmware installed, and I think 5 custom kernel install counts.
I think I could have got it back to stock by borrowing a friends charged battery, reinstalling stock rom, and then usb jigging it back to 0 custom kernel installs, but I thought I might as well 'take one for the team' and use this experience to test how flexible Samsung's repair shop is when dealing with handsets like this (HTC repaired my unlocked Nexus one without any fuss)
I've been *very* impressed with Samsung's dev friendly attitude so far, they're not only setting the standards in Android hardware used, but also with how their company recognises the wants of its consumers. I'm sure I won't be disappointed..
Should know in about 7 days!
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Quick update:
I've returned the phone to the O2 store today for repair.
test how flexible Samsung's repair shop is when dealing with handsets like this (HTC repaired my unlocked Nexus one without any fuss)
Let us know if O2 repair or Samsung .
Its often down to the tech that picks the phone up some may just flash the stock rom and not bother others as been posted might be more picky .
As per the O2 store that refused warranty on my SGS1 .
Unlocking will not void any warranty as O2 offer the service themselves as do all networks .
jje
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Quick update, still under repair.
It came back once with a letter saying that they (o2) replaced the circuit board, but it was still broken.
It then got sent off again, and I've been told today that its come back from repair with a letter that only says 'BER', which means Beyond Economic Repair apparently.. so they're (the o2 shop) are sending it back for a repair team leader to look at now :-/
Bit fed up :-/
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Quick update, still under repair.
It came back once with a letter saying that they (o2) replaced the circuit board, but it was still broken.
It then got sent off again, and I've been told today that its come back from repair with a letter that only says 'BER', which means Beyond Economic Repair apparently.. so they're (the o2 shop) are sending it back for a repair team leader to look at now :-/
Bit fed up :-/
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BER is actually good news. You'll probably get a new phone. I doubt at this point the team leader's going to say anything about your mods. He'll probably just rubber stamp it.
I always thought people shouldn't use their phones while charging at the same time
Anyway, hope they'll give you a new one. I always cringe every time I feel the back of the phone warming up...
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I always thought people shouldn't use their phones while charging at the same time
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Not possible for developers When developing an app, the handset will be 'always on', charging, and being used for 8hrs+ all at the same time!
Addictive Japanese quasi-RPG games are a separate matter though..
Pocket legends is a killer. On it for five min n phone got really really hot. Checked temp n it was 44 degrees... Not good
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i'm getting worried after reading here. last time i used with google navigation and charging same time, battery heat went over 50°c and it was really hot..
and that was just for one hour google navigation.