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moving on from my N1

Hey all
My nexus 1 got stolen
I'm contemplating my next smartphone to replace it, and the Samsung Galaxy S has caught my attention.
Justwondering what I'll miss/love moving to the SGS?
I'm attracted by the Super AMOLED screen, a real beauty.
But I'm not sure whether I'll hate the TouchWiz interface over the stock Android UI...but then against it's a software issue - I'm sure a vanilla ROM will be released sooner or later!
Also wondering about the build quality. The N1 just felt solid in my hand - would the SGS feel flimsy from it's plastic build?
And FroYo was great
Sing

Played with my friend nexus.
Galaxy S have great screen and is faster. But moving to galaxy, you will miss the stability of your nexus. Galaxy still have a lot of clink that needed to be patched.
And to be fair, something to look forward to when proper 2.2 comes out. Check out the pics below.
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irrelevancy said:
Hey all
My nexus 1 got stolen
I'm contemplating my next smartphone to replace it, and the Samsung Galaxy S has caught my attention.
Justwondering what I'll miss/love moving to the SGS?
I'm attracted by the Super AMOLED screen, a real beauty.
But I'm not sure whether I'll hate the TouchWiz interface over the stock Android UI...but then against it's a software issue - I'm sure a vanilla ROM will be released sooner or later!
Also wondering about the build quality. The N1 just felt solid in my hand - would the SGS feel flimsy from it's plastic build?
And FroYo was great
Sing
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For the various differences:
SCREEN
Big improvement, especially in sunlight, but everyone knows that already. I like the 4" size too as, for me at least, it's the perfect balance between screen real estate and usability (larger than 4" and you need to start shifting your hand to reach stuff).
The other thing to consider is that the Galaxy S has a far better capacitive touch sensor, so none of the multitouch issues of the HTC phones and it feels much more responsive to me. It's also made from Gorilla glass, so much stronger than regular glass and coming from the HTC Hero feels a lot less frictiony for me. My fingers seem to be able to glide across it much better than my old Hero and iPod Touch 2nd Gen.
SPEED / POWER
The Hummingbird CPU in the Galaxy S is known to be a fair share more powerful than the Snapdragon in the Nexus One / Desire, as can be seen by comparing the Nexus One <2.2 and the Galaxy S <2.2 bars in the graphs shown by the previous poster. The difference is, the Nexus One has Froyo now which provides a HUGE performance boost, hence the massive bar in the top of the graph. Froyo has been confirmed for a Korean launch in August, and most likely then international in September. Can you wait until then is the major question, but from a usability standpoint the Galaxy S is very snappy and the latest beta firmwares have mostly fixed the lag issues.
The GPU is FAR more powerful, so if gaming is your thing you'll find there isn't a single Android game that is anything less than flawlessly smooth, even Gameloft's games such as NOVA.
BUILD QUALITY
Here's where we need some distinction. There's a big difference between build quality and materials.
The materials are where the Galaxy S isn't quite as nice as HTC's phones. The front is great, but the rear is glossy plastic which is quite slippery and incredibly easy to smudge. Simply put, it doesn't 'feel' as premium as the Nexus One or Desire's soft-touch plastic and aluminium. Easily fixed with a case though.
That being said, the build quality is still top notch, with no creaking or flex in the phone. The gorilla glass screen is strong, and the plastics are suitably hard. Nothing feels loose or weak.
So basically, the phone is strong and well made, they just should have used some nicer-feeling materials to give it the premium feel and look its hardware deserves. It would also be nice if they hadn't aped the iPhone 3GS look, although I must admit I'm getting used to it and holding it next to a 3GS in an Apple store today it actually made the 3GS look cheap and nasty (especially the screen and chunkiness).
SOFTWARE (TOUCH-WIZ 3.0)
I was cringing when I saw the screenshots and photos of what Samsung had done. It looked cartoony and quite frankly amateurish. After using it, I actually don't mind it anymore since one of the key things is having a solid black background. Being a Super AMOLED display, it's actually pretty much impossible to see where the edge of the screen is with black next to it, giving the impression the text is actually floating on the black glass.
It does use some wild colours like the iPhone-esque apps menu, but in the end I wouldn't say it's any better or worse than stock Android. Just a bit different.
Functionality-wise however, it does have some good improvements. Being able to jump to messaging or email straight from the lock screen if you've gotten something new while it was locked is great, as is having music controls in the notifications pull-down list (very very handy!). The best thing has to be having the wifi / bluetooth / gps / silent mode buttons in the notification list at all times. Google should add this themselves!
They've got a few widgets (mostly meh) but a very good task manager in the latest firmware, and some of their apps are surprisingly good. The email one works well, and their music player is an improvement over the stock Android one and even includes a custom equaliser.
If you don't like Samsung's stuff, you can just use Launcher Pro to get back to stock easy, no probs at all.
OTHER GOOD STUFF
It's been shown the Galaxy S actually has the best sound quality for any Android phone via headphones, on par with the iPhones in absolute minimal distortion or interference. No background buzz and full dynamic range is fantastic! Sammy did a good job with the media.
Speaking of which, it supports tons of media formats such as FLAC for audiophiles, and for video it can do MP4 as per usual, but also FLV, MKV, DIVX, XVID and WMV! It's the best Android media phone by far.
Internal memory is also either 8gb or 16gb (depending on country), including 2gb for installing apps as well as obviously having MicroSD. Again, great for media.
The phone itself is very light thanks to the use of plastics without feeling flimsy, and is extremely thin for its size. Holding an iPhone 3GS today made the iPhone feel positively bloated!
A good sign Sammy has changed its ways from poor Android support is the nearly constant flow of new beta firmwares recently, some separated by a matter of hours! These have each been fixing bugs and improving performance as well as adding some new features such as the task manager.
Froyo has been confirmed for August in Korea and most likely September everywhere else, but of course no word on Gingerbread.
The battery life is reportedly better than the Nexus One and Desire, although I haven't owned either of them and can't comment.
ISSUES / PROBLEMS
The most widely known problem with the Galaxy S is the GPS issue, with it being very shaky getting a connection. Recent beta firmwares have improved this somewhat, but it's still so much of an issue that if you use GPS a lot you should probably avoid the Galaxy S. I never use GPS anyway, so not a problem for me though.
Also the firmware that ships on the Galaxy S is quite buggy with random stalling / lagging. The recent leaked beta firmwares have mostly fixed this as well as some fixes found by xda members, but simply put the Galaxy S firmwares are nowehre near the Nexus One or Desire's in terms of polish and maturity yet, so be aware.
It's also unlikely we'll see many radical custom firmwares with the Samsung drivers being encrypted, so no massive ports or huge variety of roms like the Nexus One / Desire. Mostly just themes and optimisations.
The camera is also lacking a flash, which is a big omission for many people but like the GPS issue I rarely use my phone for photos anywhere. It's like the Galaxy S's drawbacks were specifically designed to not apply to me, haha.
All in all, I love the Galaxy S. I had an HTC Hero and was a big Sense fan, but I've found the Galaxy S offers everything I want.
Just be aware the firmware is still reasonably buggy and performance isn't at the level of a Froyo-running Nexus yet, but should definitely overtake it once Froyo is released for the Galaxy S's superior CPU and far superiour GPU. If you're happy flashing your phone with the new firmwares that keep being leaked and provide bug fixes while we wait for an official firmware release, the Galaxy S should keep you happy.
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SGS Vs SGS2

Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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gsw5700 said:
Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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You can't differentiate the performance of both device by general use.
Lets say the SGS has 1000BHP engine while the SGS2 has 2400BHP engine....
And general usage only requires 200BHP. In this scenario there will be no differences in performance because the extra horses haven't been utilised.
Therefore, you'd only see a difference in both devices if, i.e. an application the takes up for than 1000 horses AKA "1000BHP" simply because the SGS2 can output more "BHP" at peak than what the SGS can offer.
Semaphore kernels have touchscreen sensitivity set to "Sensitive(chainfire)" by default. That explains why touchscreen sensitivity on SGS with Semaphore kernel is higher than a SGS2 with stock kernel (both screens should be roughly identical on stock).
And finally, SGS has Super Amoled which is more vibrant than SGS2 which has a Super Amoled Plus panel. Super Amoled panel uses "Pentile Matrix" arrangement which allows for images to appear more virbrant and saturated than Super Amoled Plus panel which uses regular 'RGB' pixel arrangement.
There is still a lot of potential in our devices spike the fact that it is nearly 2 years from release unlike the HTC desire which struggled in the graphics department since it was released! ~ Asphalt 5..-_-
P.S. our device is till a runner up for productivity & Graphics
We are seeing compatibility with newer gameloft titles (<<<<funny that O2X's tegra versions run a awful lot better than PowerVR ones) and console quality games.
Official CyanogenMOD support and XDA dev support brings miracles

My sgs with debloated JW4, rfs (data/data smlink to dbdata), sephamore bigmem (default clock), is almost identical to my gf's sgs2 (factory rom) in speed, opening apps, web-browser etc.
And I overclock mine to 1.2ghz, it is incredibly fast . But my phone doesn't handle OC well at all
But of course, I think if the updates/mods her firmware, the sgs2 will be faster. but the SGS2 was not an amazing upgrade for me at all, it is like ip4 to ip4s.

Agreed, if the sgs2 was 'tuned' then it would be much faster, I was surprised to find my sgs keeping up with the sgs2 tho' as it appeared much slower when I last compared them
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Galaxy s has better 3D performance than s2.
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gsw5700 said:
Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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Another fact is gingerbread has poor dual core support. On ICS difference is bigger. But s2 and s is very close because of our devs. S is even better on some 3D parts. Mali gpu is 400mhz which is 2x of our gpu. Anyway our gpu wins it with 200mhz on some 3D textures. Think when we live oc it.
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And finally, SGS has Super Amoled which is more vibrant than SGS2 which has a Super Amoled Plus panel. Super Amoled panel uses "Pentile Matrix" arrangement which allows for images to appear more virbrant and saturated than Super Amoled Plus panel which uses regular 'RGB' pixel arrangement.
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This is so wrong.
SGS2 Super Amoled Plus is better, then it's about calibration and the tools you use.

Tatsuya79 said:
This is so wrong.
SGS2 Super Amoled Plus is better, then it's about calibration and the tools you use.
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I didn't say it was better, it was just about how the pixels were arranged. RGB is the best

Actually there is a race for more and more CPU cores, but SGS with ICS is really smooth, and if you don't plan to play high-end games, I think there is no real reason to change from SGS to SGS2.

el_navajita said:
Actually there is a race for more and more CPU cores, but SGS with ICS is really smooth, and if you don't plan to play high-end games, there is no real reason to change from SGS to SGS2.
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Agreed, saw no reason to sign up to an 18/24 month contract for the SGS2 when I don't play high end games. Genuinely have had the most pleasant time with this phone, more than any other phone I have owned and it STILL isn't letting me down, especially with Voodoo Sound. Thats why I will be getting the SGSIII. People dig at Samsung for some reason but I honestly don't know why, their phones are awesome. HTC phones are plagued with bugs and issues, the overall user satisfaction between the two is phenomenal, I didn't come close to having this feeling with HTC's phones. (Hero, HD2 & Desire).

Frankly is like comparing a Bicycle with a Motorcycle ... both have wheels, handle bars, etc but let's be realistic here.
SGS is fine, a cool phone, huge development potential but it will never be able to top a dual core that punches double the ram we have.
You can throw whatever daily scenario at it and I can bet you you will be more pleased with the SGS2 simple because you won't be annoyed by memory swapping (even with 370 MB kernels I feel the need for more RAM).
Only if you keep the ROMS clean without anything else but stock apps you will most likely wasting your money on SGS2, better yet buy an old phone that handles just calls, smartphones are for running apps.

Currently have both, and to be honest "form factor" of SI is better for me.
JW5 gingerbread + Semaphore is incredible!!!
S1 has better battery life, less lag, better colors, better sound, better development, and reached maturity where everything just works.
S2 still has a great dual core and working gps.

Thats what I said! I did notice the poor battery life on the sgs2, I swear I could almost see the battery level move as I used it...
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I don't get this???
U are saying that sgs and gs2 is equal in performance,screen resolution and so on
There is huge difference in those to phones in all aspects,gs2 is a lot better in every possible way u can think of. Don't get me wrong,i love my sgs and will never sell it,but u can't compare a sgs with a costum rom and a gs2 with stock rom, compare when both are on stock or costum rom for a fair and clear result. But even when sgs is costum and gs2 is stock the gs2 is alot better on high performance.
Btw. I've had my sgs for more than 18month and my gs2 since 11/5-2011 and my first custom rom was insanity on one of his first froyo build(0.21 i think.
Thanx
Edit:gs2 battery is poor on ics,but on ginger there's only about 30 min difference

But who wants to still be using GB? The SGS was an IS a remarkable phone, remember all that time people spent moaning when Samsung said it wasn't getting ICS? Yet here all of us are, running it smoother than ever with better battery life than the SGS2. Don't get me wrong I am not digging at the SII, its a brilliant phone and I probably would have taken it had I been due an upgrade around then, however, no one and I mean no one can slate the SGS for what its been capable of, its far surpassed most peoples expectations, including mine.

yeah our galaxy was / is a cool / great phone. but it's slowly becoming outdated in terms of performance when it comes to daily tasks and multitasking - I for one (and I repeat myself) am hurting due to low ram always.
you can barely run services in the background. add a custom keyboard and some fancy stuff and boom you will get lag. you can run FROYO, GB, ICS you name it, once ram gets "depleted" everything is slower.

Yeah I do agree that if you do have a lot running at once it can start to get sluggish, but I've personally accepted it since ICS and keep processes to a bare minimum. I suppose once I upgrade hopefully to the next Galaxy phone they bring out I'll get back into the swing of maxing out the phone but for now I'm quite content with stock ICS and just using simple tasking apps

Is it worth the updgrade?

Hi Guys. Looking for honest opinions on the Nexus 7 (2013) as I have the Nexus 7 (2012) 32Gb and am looking to upgrade. Want to know if it's worth it? I know the spec is better, but wanted some opinions of people who have used it to advise how it feels, have the touchscreen issues been fixed, and other reported issues with first batches. Many Thanks in advanced

Is an upgrade in every aspect of the first. The screen is sooooo much better and with the new processor there is zero lag. Those were my main two issues with the first and I'm extremely happy with the second one.
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I'm coming from the ASUS TF300T (10" tablet). Granted, I never used the OG N7, but the TF300T also has a Tegra 3 processor, just clocked a little slower.
Physical differences:
While the change in size was a little bit of an adjustment for me (took like 20mins of use), it quickly grew on to me. I can easily hold it with one hand, as opposed to resting the 10" across my upper arm/wrist. It also fits into the pocket of just about any of my pants, and you would never tell.
Speed vs. Lag:
I can tell you that the difference between the two is night and day. You barely notice the tab slow down if you are installing/updating apps. There were times where the browser would not respond to my pinches, but the navigation bar would still respond as normal. I'm not sure if that's a problem with the tablet, or with Chrome. Might be Chrome, but I haven't used ugh of the other browsers (except for Dolphin, which allows me to save my downloads where I want to before it begins).
Multitasking is awesome. You sometimes forget which apps were running in the background, but 8 different apps later, and the old ones still reload instantly, without any redraw.
Conclusion:
This was my short review of the N7.2. I know that I left out a lot of topics, but I listed the reasons why I switched. Yes, the OG N7 isn't slow, but going forward, you will begin to see where its older hardware begins to lag behind.
The upgrade isn't necessary, in my opinion, but it's worth the money. If it's too much of a sacrifice, then simply wait for something that's way better.
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Big upgrade for me. The screen is much better, imo, and I don't have any touchscreen issues.
I like the slightly slimmer form factor, and the speed bump is noticeable to me.
No regrets upgrading from the original N7 here.

Look at it like this:
I am speaking from experience I own both models 2012 and 2013
Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
Now... as far as overall smooth performance and usage the new N7 is the clear winner since it runs at higher frequencies and has a better CPU, better screen with higher ppi. You also have more RAM, dual speakers, two cameras, and less bezzel.
They are both great I own N7 2012 32GB wifi and N7 2013 32GB LTE.
I use my old one only for games so memory is full now and use my new one mainly for every thing from emails for work, apps, surfing and even voice calls with groove ip. you can still play games and they look great but I feel tegra is always going to deliver slightly and maybe even better gaming performance with future tegra chips.
hope it helps this is just my take on it
Edit: Don't get me wrong it is deffinitely an upgrade in every sense of the word, and I would say go and upgrade but it really depends what you use it for and if it makes sense to spend the money as well. The new N7 is a great device and I waited for it very much until the ATT version came out on GOOGLE PLAY.. just depends what you want it for that's all

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Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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i have a tegra 3 device and an Xperia Z (adreno 320-1080p).
on the z every game works lagfree on highest graphics, on tegra there are a lot of lags and stutters.
Xperia Z-Vanir AOSP

Whether to upgrade or not is going to come down to personal wants and needs, I think.
My personal experience:
I've spent a total of probably an hour, over the course of a couple visits, playing with the 2013 model at a local store. That was enough device time for me to decide that the upgrade wasn't worth it....for me. I did everything I normally do (or as much as possible with a display model) on the 2013 and came away underwhelmed. For my needs (reading, email, news, calendar) I really couldn't tell the difference between the two (the screen included).
Anyway, my needs are obviously simple, so mileage will vary.

I have upgraded and can say: A huge improvement!
On the 2012 model, display contrast was poor, and text was not completely sharp - so you could read web sites with small text on it, but it was straining for the eyes, especially when the text was not black (e.g grey like in the Play Store or Youtube app).
On the 2013 model, all is very easily readable and eye-friendly (although my Tablet Z has even better contrast).
This alone is worth an upgrade.

I like my new Nexus 7, just as much as I enjoyed the 1st gen I had.
As the old model is an awesome tablet, I managed to sell it easily, and the price to upgrade was minimal, so that was a great incentive to upgrade. The new model has these improvements that I think is worth the upgrade:
A) the faster speed/processor plus the 2MB ram... everything is just slightly less laggy, most notably when multitasking many RAM-heavy apps at once, and switching back and forth between them
B) the dual/stereo speakers is a nice upgrade
C) the lack of any noticible pixels in the screen due to the massive resolution bump-up
D) the form factor of both models is excellent, but the new one is a bit lighter (quite a bit) plus thinner and all around better to handle
E) I don't have a cellphone, so the rear camera is a nice addition
Really though, both are excellent in all regards... I don't play GPU intensive games, so maybe there is a reason to upgrade as well, but I doubt it... If you can sell your 1st one easily, do it... Whoever gets your old one will be getting a killer tablet, and you will be (slightly) future-proofing yourself by having the latest and greatest.

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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Tegra 4 GPU isn't that bad. It's just a bit better than Adreno 320 but behind 330.

I have the tf300 and now the n7 2013, I think for browsing and other small things they are equally smooth (provided you run 4.3 on the tf300, otherwise it's laggy as hell) but I have to say this screen is beautiful, as good as the HTC one x (which is pretty damn good, just not as good as the HTC one), font in portrait are crisp and easy to read, unlike for instance the tf300 which could really only be used in landscape. Viewing angles are good too unlike for instance the tablet z.

GoneTomorrow said:
You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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sk8trix said:
I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.

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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
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agreed.

Note 10.1 vs iPad Air

I'm reading opinions on the internet, watching reviews, tests, comparisons between new Note tablet and iPad Air but I still cant decide which device choose. I'm android user, Id rather buy android tablet than iOS but many many opinions on youtube and xda also says that Note has lags and device is very slow.. I know that there is S pen and its unique functionality on tablets market but it's not important thing to me, even if i would fall in love with stylus. For me most important is smoothness. So iPad is great because of smooth experience, and great tablet-optimized apps (design also is great but it doesn't matter). Note has SD slot and android so there would be easy to share files between my devices (i'm using Galaxy S4). I would stand every inconvenience of android if the tablet wasn't laggy and slow. There is many people who has Air and returned it to get Note and it would be great if they join discussion.

Hello Patroy,
I have been an apple fan for a long time but when I got my iPhone 5S I was really angry at how crap the phone and OS was. I'm giving my girlfriend my iPad 4 and staying with android now. I looked on youtube and there wasn't too many videos relating to the note 10.1 2014, so I decided to make some.
iPhone 5S(IOS7) and why I am switching to Android:
TL;DR: iPhone 5S was a huge letdown and IOS7 is baaaad.
Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 First impressions:
TL;DR: Note 10.1 2014 is pretty lag free and performs better than the iPhone 5S/iPad4.
I'm also recording some new videos relating to Touchwiz, Optimizations, IOS7vsAndroid,Apps, Games, etc. If there is a video you would like me to make, feel free to ask.
edit: Benchmarks are done. 10.1 = 2x better than iPad 4 and equal to iPad air. 10.1 wins overall. Video will be up in an hour or 2.

But i cant see if something runs smooth or not, because of low FPS rate in your video camera..

After performing all of the updates, the only lag I experience is the wakeup lag in the lock screen. I'm sure this can be fixed by installing some custom Roms that will come available soon.everything else is extremly smooth unlike other galaxy devices I have used in the past

Patroy said:
But i cant see if something runs smooth or not, because of low FPS rate in your video camera..
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l don t want to ruin Surprise , but the Galaxy 10.1 has the least lag. Far less laggy than the A7 in iPhone 5 (same specs as ipad air). This 10.1 is literallhnearly completely lag free, unlike ios7. Looking forward to showing the benchmark video whe its finished rendering.
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But what benchmarks means? Nothing... There was thread, where someones couldn't turn high quality textures in some racing game on 10.1, because of the app which is not optimized for that tablet and that resolution. I would be pleased if someone will show me video with software tour where there won't be any lags or slowdowns

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But what benchmarks means? Nothing... There was thread, where someones couldn't turn high quality textures in some racing game on 10.1, because of the app which is not optimized for that tablet and that resolution. I would be pleased if someone will show me video with software tour where there won't be any lags or slowdowns
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Im not talking about just benchmarks. The UI and everything is more fluid. Higher FPS and definitely smoother than ios7. The reason that racing game couldn't go high was because the developer didnt know such a bigh resolution device existed and is being sorted now so we can play highest in the next update. I have played Dead Trigger 2 and Real Racing 3 and they both look better o tbis tabket because of the higher resolution and some ga es have better effects. I wish my camera wasnt so bad because there is no lag or slowdowns.
On the ipad we saw a game benchmark where the game was getting 7fps at times on the ipad 4 (iphone 5s/ipad air around 13fps) and o the tab the lowest fps it got to was 17fps and that was very very rare. The lag was noticable on my iphone 5s and very rareoy happened on this tab.

That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real

Patroy said:
That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
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I have a 3rd gen I pad because back then everything offered by Android was pretty much beta. Went and bought an I pad air few weeks ago played with but it bored me to hell.. no innovation on apples part. Went and bought a note 10.1 and wow the device actually feels like a step forward. I haven't been able to put it down. Learning all the little tips/tricks is actually enjoyable. The spen really comes in handy and the multi tasking windows beats all. Sure it has a little lag here in there but nothing that keeps you from doing some thing. The Air would just crash the app and i think it has something to do with the 1 gig of memory off loading. Anyways yes the air has better battery life but note can still do 10 hours np. My air is going back.

Go into a electronic shop and play with the Note 10.1 for 10mins then go do the same with the Ipad Air. I bet you will get bored of the Air straightaway...Apple is just soo boring now.
I used to love Apple ages ago because they truely kicked started Smartphones and Tablets and they were the best in my eyes. But now I find them soo boring and android phones and tablets have not only caught uo but passed Apple. Each to their own i guess...If you still prefer the Air after playing with both well then you know which one to buy.
My Note hasnt been laggy once and I havent had issues that some claim. And I'm like you, i didnt really care for the spen much but i find myself using it more and more...Truley awesome.
Eitherway they are both great products when you really think about it, just the Note is Miles Miles better

I was searching for note in electronic shop but i couldn't find them anywhere, I was playing with the Air and I agree with you its booring and after 15 mins of using it i figured out that I know everything about this os but i was thinking there is nothing better than the ipad now. My first plan was buying nexus 10 2013 but id turned out that N10 2013 doesn't exist...

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Turns out after slme customizations, my note 10.1 has 14 hour battery life. Beats my ipad by a few hours. Awesome.

Here's a pretty good review comparing the two...
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/11/ipad-air-vs-galaxy-note-10-1

The only time I really experienced lag with my Note 10.1 2014 edition was when I first got mine, but I had pre-ordered so I got it the day of release. . The lag was definitely a software issue but all new products have some sorts of issues but they get fixed fairly quickly. After about a week give or take Samsung released an update which helped speed things up. Later after that they released another update to smooth things out further. Currently, my Note runs perfectly; very smooth and fast. I can't really speak on the Ipad's part, as I have not owned one.

BarryH_GEG said:
Here's a pretty good review comparing the two...
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/11/ipad-air-vs-galaxy-note-10-1
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Yes, i watched almost every comparison on yt and here we can se how laggy is note and how smooth is the Air

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Yes, i watched almost every comparison on yt and here we can se how laggy is note and how smooth is the Air
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The iPad Air does a fraction of what the N10.1-14 does functionally. Strip out simple multitasking, multiview, S Pen, and all the other creation features and the N10.1-14 would be equally fluid. Android as an OS is just as fluid as iOS in AOSP form. That is until you start adding in tons of apps and syncs that create open threads and consume resources which the N10.1-14 has tons of to power its features. So people have a choice - limited functionality and completely smooth transitions or tons of functionality, true multitasking, and, in the N10.1-14's case, the best creation and productivity tool on the planet and deal with the occasional millisecond long stutter. I choose the latter and don't feel the N10.1-14 lags in any noticeable or chronic way. People looking for a pretty display to read, browse, and consume media probably should buy an iPad; that's who they are made for.

Patroy said:
That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
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Just go into best buy or frys and play with it for a while. Nobody here is going to have the same opinion as you will on how "laggy" the tablet is.
Not that i dont enjoy the discussion but at this point, we have given you our opinion, so all that's left is to try it.
Another option is to just buy it on Amazon, if you dont like it, then return it.
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I have both, got my note 10.1 yesterday. Both have their pros and cons and I honestly enjoy using both. My note is the Wi-Fi octa core version, I wish it had the Snapdragon 800 instead.
I'd say the screens are almost equal, maybe a slight edge to the iPad. Audio quality threw headphones is pretty much even, the iPad speakers are better.
Hopefully the dev support will pick up for the note. I'd love to have cm 11 on this.
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iLagPad Air is a POS. Don't listen to people and the hype but actually try one yourself. This is what I notice right away within the first 5 minutes:
- Two types of Safari browser lag.
- First type is jello, flag or wave effect. Hold the iLagPad in portrait orientation, browse to The Verge (just as an example although I don't recommend that site as they lick Apple sponsor's nuts and will filter any negative facts) in full desktop mode, scroll up and down casually, look at the horizontal edges of the big page wide blocks where it suffers from the wavy flaggy jello effect because the GPU can't keep up with the resolution.
- Second type appears to be vsync which makes vertical scrolling look consistent but slow at about 20fps. For example, vertically flick scroll through The Verge's main page in full desktop mode as quickly as you can from top to bottom. It takes about 3 seconds. Do the same on a Note 3 with the current version of Chrome and it's about one second.
With extended use you'll run into more serious issues like blue screen of death and low memory crashes:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/23817728
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206

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With extended use you'll run into more serious issues like blue screen of death and low memory crashes:
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Those links were interesting; especially the low memory one. I don't follow Apple products and just assume from reviews they are "utopianly perfect." I guess the grass really isn't greener on the other side, just "different."

think twice when you choose this device

Did you know the s6 doesnt suport HDMI to TV as it is possible with s3,s4,s5 even 3d, note 3, note 4. so you need chromecast also the s5,note 3 and note 4 have longer battery on same usage.
Another fact is that the 32 bit CPU in note 4 has a slightly higher score in futuremark benchmarks as the s6 means its GPU performs worse while both devices have the same screen resolution. The antutu score is just higher because its CPU performs better. The new tegra x1 has even twice the gpu performance as the s6 and will be in some devices this year.
Its not waterproof. Supports no SD card. U cant replace its battery. People report even Rotation issues after wireless Charing. Tw gets laggy as hell. & im pretty sure nobody noticed it that the only reason note 4 had no official lollipop update to make people buy the s6. Even s4 hat the update so dont claim.
It looks good. And is well built. But you dont build a fast car that cant fit its fuel Inside. So this devices is more a test, overpower experiment of samsung. This fall we will see the note 5 with redicilous 4k resolution. And its overpower again just to show that they "can", f(_)cks not given about the consumer & shots been fired from apple. Iphone 6 still almost the same performance with 1/3 of the ram s6 has.
By the way the new TV box by nvidea tegra x1 is already 4k. And it does handle doom3, crysis 3 and unreal engine4 easily. And yes its Android and we will see it on smartphones too.
At the moment note 4 is the better choice because the images will look sharper on it/ due larger screen, you will have more fun with it.

Yeah. I've been thinking double twice before bought the s6, love it. My s5 still rock steady as my backup if my s6 runs out of juice
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Here's the thing I'm sure people read specs as well as those of us who are more technically inclined read forums for comparison, so whats the point of this thread I'm sure people who buy an S6 know what they're getting by now.

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ok....

U really think people's haven't thought through before buy a new phone?
S6 5.1" smaller size, that people's prefer than Note 4 5.7" and other things, that makes people's to choose S6.
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Tegra....what a joke!

Buy a chromecast...problem solved
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So you wrote this thread to make people feeling bad who bought one? Ever realised that people actually did their research or not? BTW your s4 has equal score with benchmarking on the same OS version and standard rom? Lel....
Normally I don't reply on these idiotic posts.
But your slanter and crying about the S6 makes me more think like you want one but can't afford it? Correct me if I'm wrong but I seriously can't find a legitimate reason why you should qq so much about something you supposedly not like.

None of the 'downsides' you listed are concerns to me. It's really up to each buyer.

What kind of archaic world do we live in that we have to do HDMI out still? Man buy a chromecast or any miracast dongle on amazon.

S6 owner here, S3 as previous devices, my wife using I9505(search it if u dont know).
my aunty and uncle use N3, my best friends N4, this listed phone are all phone that i serviced phone consistancely, regarding what i know so far, N3 had quite less lag on default TW, only lag in gallery as everyone know(only whn its a lot of photo inside) and i dont see N4 having higher score in any benchmark app comparing to my S6, yet S6 TW rom really have the light apps vs N4...
i already installed a lot apps on my phone and i still running smooth, no heat up issues, battery last long enough as only 2550mAh vs S4 2600, SoT 5hrs vs 2.3hrs, 14nm vs 28nm, 50fps(1440p) vs 38fps(1080p) on antutu benchmark test.
Yet.. google officially claim that bug on android 5.0 will be solve in android 5.1. Im living in Malaysia, S4 i9500 already on Lollipop (no doubt), N3 also already got its Lollipop update last week.
ram vs performance, did anyone say that ram mean performance, what do you mean by almost the same performance with 1/3ram they got. Comparing different platform is quite not fair as u should know its different in many point, take a window mobile n compare then?
android can play in many ways, its not like old time, 3GB of ram, multitasking is not a problem in S6. i dont think apple can do it... (jail breaken ipad can use split screen, try it and u will know why ram so big in S6). even my S3 got better ram vs ipad2.
In short, that up to everyone's point of view. i love S6 camera, the design of the phone. even i lost adcard support, but usb otg available for all android phone, i lost change able battery, but i just need to charge below 1Hour, because 1Hour give 90% Battery. With minimum 5Hours of SoT daily usage is good enough for me, including 2hours on CC or SW(both online Games).

the s6 is stop gap phone for me, waiting for the note5 because i broke my previous phone. The S6 is a very nice phone though, nicest one I ever had

could please some mod close this idiot topic that steals space to other ppl n devs, thanks

One thing you can't level at this phone is lag. TW is still perfectly snappy on mine since I ditched Nova again for it. Apps reload but as long as you have animations on default, by the time the app is on screen it's reloaded.
The screen issues I have were present on Note 4 anyway.
As for using it with a TV, not interested.

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Did you know the s6 doesnt suport HDMI to TV as it is possible with s3,s4,s5 even 3d, note 3, note 4. so you need chromecast also the s5,note 3 and note 4 have longer battery on same usage.
Another fact is that the 32 bit CPU in note 4 has a slightly higher score in futuremark benchmarks as the s6 means its GPU performs worse while both devices have the same screen resolution. The antutu score is just higher because its CPU performs better. The new tegra x1 has even twice the gpu performance as the s6 and will be in some devices this year.
Its not waterproof. Supports no SD card. U cant replace its battery. People report even Rotation issues after wireless Charing. Tw gets laggy as hell. & im pretty sure nobody noticed it that the only reason note 4 had no official lollipop update to make people buy the s6. Even s4 hat the update so dont claim.
It looks good. And is well built. But you dont build a fast car that cant fit its fuel Inside. So this devices is more a test, overpower experiment of samsung. This fall we will see the note 5 with redicilous 4k resolution. And its overpower again just to show that they "can", f(_)cks not given about the consumer & shots been fired from apple. Iphone 6 still almost the same performance with 1/3 of the ram s6 has.
By the way the new TV box by nvidea tegra x1 is already 4k. And it does handle doom3, crysis 3 and unreal engine4 easily. And yes its Android and we will see it on smartphones too.
At the moment note 4 is the better choice because the images will look sharper on it/ due larger screen, you will have more fun with it.
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The 2 things I put in bold in your message just kill your credibility.
My S6 is full of apps, rooted and customized like hell, yet I've never seen it lag (not even a bit, so the "like hell" seems completely bias).
About the benchmark, you really want to chose the single benchmark that suits what you want to say to prove your point?
What about the fact that every single other GPU benchmark (GFXBench,...) give is completely in favor of the S6 (by far)? Yeah I guess you don't really want to talk about those

What is OP trying to achieve here? Theres already a thread about things like that.
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What kind of archaic world do we live in that we have to do HDMI out still? Man buy a chromecast or any miracast dongle on amazon.
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I am absolutely not taking sides with the OP here, but I have to say that I was a bit annoyed that Samsung removed the HDMI out for the S6.
Serious question: I often go on holiday to a house which has no wifi, can I somehow still use chromecast to stream films from the S6 to the TV in the house (the TV has HDMI ports)? I used to to this all the time with the MHL cable on my other android phones and it worked incredibly well.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. Just upping my post count before this thread gets locked.

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Move along folks, nothing to see here. Just upping my post count before this thread gets locked.
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Can I take your thanks?