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I've tried to overclock, lagfix, change roms and kernels, but I didn't see any big difference.
I would like to stay with real FPS benchmarks like GLBenchmark or others not like quadrant.
I've seen many people using ext2 instead of ext4, other say rfs is better, so I'm getting very confused. And also many people around here.
Each one of us has got a personalized SGS. Let's run each one of us GLBenchmark OpenGl 2.0 test without FSAA (The one of egypt) and see the results of each one of us.
Dlownload glbenchmark here: http://www.glbenchmark.com/download.jsp
Please specify model, rom, kernel, launcher, running apps, free mem before doing the test... Like every bit of info you can give, so we could find the best settings!
Thanks to all ! I'll run the test and post in few minutes!
Ok, here is the template 1.0 to use ;P just copy and paste and modify!
OK, got:
2438 Frames (21.6 Fps) with no fsaa.
My settings:
MODEL: European, I9000 SGS 16gb Vodafone
SPEED (GHZ): 1.0
LAUNCHER: Go Launcher
KERNEL: Lastest speed mod.
ROM: Darky's 8.0
LAGFIXES: On, System converted, on fast mount.
PROGRAMS INSTALLED: Very few, just wiped it.
FREE RAM: I forgot!
OTHER INFO: Wifi on, and overclock @ 1.2 makes worse FPS.
Lagfix will have no effect on glbench
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Bench marks do not say how responsive or laggy the phone is and unless you are obsessive with numbers are a waste of time .
jje
yes, but games performance is equal to FPS, so more FPS=More optimized system.
Just because that reason i proposed to use glbenchmark, as it is an only graphical test.
Just wanted to share with you guys the Quadrant Advanced Scores of Latest version of TalonDEV Kernel.
It is amazing, I've used Semaphore, CF-Root, Dark Core, Galaxian and SpeedMOD before, but never before I have seen these astonishing results, so go ahead and install it and see for yourself.
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<| To all the people that dismiss the scores of Quadrant benchmark as NOT being reliable or fair |>
There is a small fact that all of you guys forget when you say that the Quadrant Benchmarks Scores are not reliable and that is the fact that we all are using the same gadget, I mean you were right, if we were talking about different hardwares, but same hardware and same benchmark application with different software configurations shows you how good your choice of ROM and Kernel are, and thats it.
So while it is not reliable to compare the scores of two different phone's but IMHO it is OK to compare results with people with the same smart phone.
I completely agree with you if you argue that a phone is a phone and is not a PC that you use for 3D stuff, but higher scores in Quadrant don't mean that I can play the latest 3D game and you don't, it's just that with higher scores is probably more likely that your phone is working more smoothly than others!?
And about the battery not lasting long when you get such high scores, I have to tell you my friends, if you want your battery last longer then what in gods name are you doing here, you should have probably not even upgraded your phone to Froyo, let alone GB or even the custom ROM that you are using now.
We all want to make our phones more interesting, put more functionalities in them and make them do more and more stuff every day, and with those desires we have to sacrifice something in return, and again IMHO a little bit of battery lifetime is the least I am prepared to sacrifice for the good looks and functionalities that my phone has compared to a stock just out of the box SGS.
Besides, I have a charger that I don't even use, there is a car charger in my car, a usb cable at home near the lap top and another one attached to the desktop and I have the same situation at work, so wherever I go there is the possibility to charge my phone, I really DO NOT understand it when people talk about battery lifetime.
Good Luck to All of YOU Modders & Testers & Adventurers
it is indeed fun when you finally arrive at the kernel that just fits your phone and needs the best. Be prepared for a whole series of "flames" from those who will variously dismiss quadrant and/or your choice of kernel because it's not their choice.
Ignore them: the rom and kernel choice is always a personal preference.
1.2ghz, bigmem and no journal ext4?? Thats the only way those scores are possible lol.
shomanadeh said:
Just wanted to share with you guys the Quadrant Advanced Scores of Latest version of TalonDEV Kernel.
It is amazing, I've used Semaphore, CF-Root, Dark Core, Galaxian and SpeedMOD before, but never before I have seen these astonishing results, so go ahead and install it and see for yourself.
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Quadrant scores aren't that reliable. Froyo 2.2.1 has lower scores than Gingerbread 2.3.4 but some Froyo roms run smoother.
Anyway, it would be nice to replicate those scores? Which Talon kernel exactly are you using? Are you on a custom rom?
This is an interesting data if you base your choice on quadrant. But with all my respect to your post: High quadrant scores just means high quadrant scores. A phone it is not PC graphic card, somebody in the android community should develop a better way to compare performance for day-to-day users.
Shinny graphics but most important for a pocket phone is smoothness on everyday usage, stability and battery consumption. Really, the Quadrant or whatever score is the least concern most people should have on choosing a kernel, be the score thrusthworthy or not.
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And about the battery not lasting long when you get such high scores, I have to tell you my friends, if you want your battery last longer then what in gods name are you doing here, you should have probably not even upgraded your phone to Froyo, let alone GB or even the custom ROM that you are using now.
We all want to make our phones more interesting, put more functionalities in them and make them do more and more stuff every day, and with those desires we have to sacrifice something in return, and again IMHO a little bit of battery lifetime is the least I am prepared to sacrifice for the good looks and functionalities that my phone has compared to a stock just out of the box SGS.
Besides, I have a charger that I don't even use, there is a car charger in my car, a usb cable at home near the lap top and another one attached to the desktop and I have the same situation at work, so wherever I go there is the possibility to charge my phone, I really DO NOT understand it when people talk about battery lifetime.
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Well, I have about 3 days with CM7 stock on medium usage. I wouldn't sacrifice that, I get out a lot and for long so battery is of prime importance, as is mobility, independant of where or how many chargers I have.
To each his own I guess, but performance numbers come low last after stability, autonomy and performance (felt) for me.
On Semaphore 1.8 quadrant can be the same 3300-3444
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Or platypus:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15132880&postcount=1380
I got 3910 on damian gto.
Running at stock 1000mhz on jvt
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Are this scores based on statistical methods?
Possible approach:
1. Stripping down the device to a level where a minimum of interference from running apps occur. A comparable level.
2. Collect minimum 5 scores.
3. Throw out top and bottom, calculate average based on the remaining values.
If not you're like comparing how fast you can move from A to B by changing engine in your car and forget the load.
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It's Just for FUN!!! NOT Advancing any Science Here!?!
Are this scores based on statistical methods?
Possible approach:
1. Stripping down the device to a level where a minimum of interference from running apps occur. A comparable level.
2. Collect minimum 5 scores.
3. Throw out top and bottom, calculate average based on the remaining values.
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AAAAAAA, No, these results are not based on statistical methodes!!! and NO, non of us and not even the 150000+ people that download these test apps have tested their phone in an labratory environment nor have they created an similar environment, these are all good old home baken test results, which I dont mind at all if I may say so myself.
It's just fun to test stuff and compare results, it's not that we are measuring **** sizes or something , and we are certainly not doing it for the good of man kind or advancing science, at least I hope not.
If not you're like comparing how fast you can move from A to B by changing engine in your car and forget the load.
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But isn't this how they do it on the race track or when we street race? Try to strip the car down and make engine more powerfull?
Bench mark
i think that benchmarch did not represent the real feel of a kernel. Take a look to Midnigth Kernel, the quadrant score in not much but the phone is really smooth
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i think that benchmarch did not represent the real feel of a kernel. Take a look to Midnigth Kernel, the quadrant score in not much but the phone is really smooth
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O-T said:
Are this scores based on statistical methods?
Possible approach:
1. Stripping down the device to a level where a minimum of interference from running apps occur. A comparable level.
2. Collect minimum 5 scores.
3. Throw out top and bottom, calculate average based on the remaining values.
If not you're like comparing how fast you can move from A to B by changing engine in your car and forget the load.
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i think that benchmarch did not represent the real feel of a kernel. Take a look to Midnigth Kernel, the quadrant score in not much but the phone is really smooth
Results in Google Docs Spreadsheet
All ICS ROMs Benchmarked
Any regular visitors to this thread can't have failed to notice the big changes in the spreadsheet. In particular I've been studying the effect of the kernel the ROM developer includes. If you look at column H, you will see whether I recommend flashing another kernel to improve performance at stock speeds.
REMEMBER: Performance is not everything! Many custom kernels provide extra features!
If you do decide to switch kernels, and only desire stock speeds and a reduced feature set, I recommend two kernels in this post.
If you are new to this stuff read this.
SUMMARY OF RESULTS
#1st place: Pixel ROM 1.72
#2nd place: CyberGR-MOD|NS.NGN ICS v10 HYBRID
#3rd place: MIUI Catalyst 2.4.6
#4th place: AOSP+ N.5
#5th place: [MIUI][2.4.6] Oodie pRiMe rOcket fUeled
Where do I find all these wonderful ROMs?
Their XDA threads are all linked in the table, so click through to discover each ROM's feature set, included apps, theme, and evidence of good karma!
Looking for a Gingerbread ROM? Try this.
Where did all your other benchmarks go?
Kernel Features & Benchmarks: this thread
Battery drain: this thread
CPU Governors and I/O Schedulers: this thread
Power Saving Governors: this thread
Thanks to all the developers.
Testing Methodology
Each ROM is clean installed, allowed its own default settings, then all benchmark software is installed and run once the system is settled. I also perform one screen off screen on, just out of habbit (this used to resolve a graphics bug in gingerbread, which I'm not even sure exists in ICS). All results are recorded in the spreadsheet. Then I restart in recovery, wipe cache and dalvic (thanks morfic for dalvic wiper) and install morfic's T132-I kernel. Reboot, use nstools to select performance (default I/O scheduler for morfic's kernel is deadline). Reperform all benchmarks, recording them in the spreadsheet. The calculation for the overall CPU RAM I/O and GRAPHICS scores is identical to the one I use in my kernel benchmarking spreadsheet. Please refer to that thread for more detail. However, there is one difference. Quadrant behaves very differently in different ROMs depending on what graphics tweaks they incorporate. As such, no Quadrant scores are used in this ROM benchmarking study. For more details, see under 'Graphics' below.
The final step was to average out the results of both kernel scores, and ranking on that basis. Some would say that they are best ranked by looking at T132 scores only. I would say that is a fair point, and definitely worth consideration.
There are two reasons I incorporate the default kernel score:
1) Overall scores have a worst case scenario accuracy of within 2% of the true mean due to variability in the benchmarks (more detail on how I obtain this figure is available in my kernel benchmarking thread). For normally distributed data (which we can safely assume these benchmarks produce) averaging two sets of results will result in doubling the accuracy to within 1% of the true mean, making the ranking more reliable.
2) Combining the default kernel Scores for ROMs that used a poor performing kernel, or selected bad governor/scheduler combinations by default will suffer as a consequence. These problems can be solved if the user flashes their own preferred kernel and/or adjusts the kernel settings. However, many new users will not perform this step. For that reason, I want to give a score that at least somewhat reflects the performance as the developer intended.
-Graphics
One of the early findings is selecting force GPU rendering in the developer options improves 2D performance, in Quadrant only. Also, and only in Quadrant, 3D performance can be improved by deleting or moving /system/lib/egl/libGLES_android.so using root explorer or equivalent. These tweaks/hacks do not seem to affect other benchmarks in the slightest.
Because of the bizarre effects of these tweaks on Quadrant scores, I have removed them from the formula that calculates the overall GFX score, and this in turn impacts the overall average score. In short, it makes comparing each ROM's score fairer.
You can see evidence of how the graphics tweaks make Quadrant behave differently at the bottom of the spreadsheet, highlighted in light red. The host ROM for this particular comparison was DianXin or DX ROM for short. This is a reference to a post I make in DX ROMs thread, where I first decide that removing Quadrant is the best option: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22323688&postcount=194
-Android 4.0.1
These ROMs (at the bottom of the spreadsheet, highlighted in light red) were based on early maguro ports provided by koush. I have left them in, because although they are difficult to compare to 4.0.3 builds with the correct drivers and whatnot, they do compare to each other in one important respect: the kernel. One is stock, the other is built by eugene373 (galaxy nexus/nexus s dev.) Using eugene373's kernel, CPU, I/O, and Graphics were all raised to a high standard that is on a par, or above some of the current ROMs. This goes to show that a customised kernel can offer great benefits, even on a ported ROM.
-Android 4.0.4
As of the 5th of February, my table contains all the ICS ROMs that are listed in the XDA forums. There was only one 4.0.4 version at the time, and this was the best performing in the benchmarks. When the source code is released, I'm sure many ROMs will update. At this point they will benefit from increased RAM scores and javascript performance. If all the ROMs scores improve by the same proportion, the rankings will not be affected. I will attempt to included major releases, but I will not reperform these tests every time there is a new nightly.
Reserved 4
Reserved 3
Thanks
I was waiting for this
It might lead to troll wars though
By the way, i dont see Pete ICS rom in there, im using it.
Ibn Saeed said:
Thanks
I was waiting for this
It might lead to troll wars though
By the way, i dont see Pete ICS rom in there, im using it.
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Thanks, and no troll wars please y'all.
Don't you think "popularity" is going a little too far? It will definitely lead to fights...all the devs are good and I don't think prominence is a good indicator of a good rom
But it's up to you
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Personally, benchmarks are very misleading... Some of the most stable and well developed roms don't get the greatest scores because they weren't made with benchmarks in mind.
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Another great work! Thanks
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mathkid95 said:
Don't you think "popularity" is going a little too far? It will definitely lead to fights...all the devs are good and I don't think prominence is a good indicator of a good rom
But it's up to you
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just remember, popular doesnt mean better. but to get angry at the truth(whatever it might be) is just silly. its lies that you should be upset with.
Where's Peter Alfonso's ROM? Bugless Beast is a mainstream rom, second only to Cyanogenmod in scope and breadth.. The ROM thread is in the General forum, because he links to his page at Rootzwiki, but it's a more prominent ROM than many you've listed.
Please include it in the benchmarking as well.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
you didn't add and test this one
please add pete ics bugless beast.
Omissions fixed!
UPDATE: kwiboo's project removed, was an SDK port. So so tired now, got to sleep. Tomorrow begin again with Brainmaster's tweaked ICS
Which kernel is used to make the tests?
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Forget It...
"I'll be benchmarking them twice with whatever kernel they come with, and then with morfic's bare boned T132"
biotecsoul said:
Which kernel is used to make the tests?
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Read the op.
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u could also add overnite battery drainage column with sync on or somethin like that, if not overnite then a period of 2 hrs idle .. how much does it drain ..
Holy **** man, what would it be if the NS comunity didnt have you??
Thumbs up!!!!
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Holy **** man, what would it be if the NS comunity didnt have you??
Thumbs up!!!!
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Haha, that makes me feel good. Wait, Benchmarks > XDA thread > Positive XDA user feedback > Dopamine release = Addiction to benchmarking? Time to join crackflashers anonymous...
mathkid95 said:
Don't you think "popularity" is going a little too far? It will definitely lead to fights...all the devs are good and I don't think prominence is a good indicator of a good rom
But it's up to you
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I doubt it would lead to fights between devs, well hopefully not. I can see users arguing stuff more than devs.
Benchmarks aren't that good anways.
BTW, your kernel sucks!!!!
Just kidding been running smoothly since I started using it the other day
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Thanks for the ratings system. Looks nice!
which kernel out there is the best right now? in battery life and speed
theres only one that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
I like Trinity but Motley also did very well for me.
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simms22 said:
theres only that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
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This^ look at it this way. The nexus allready has great performance, it will handle any game you throw at it. (Unless not optimized for tegra 3) so wht else do you need? A kernel that gives amazing battery life. And what kernel is that..... \l/ TRINITY \l/
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TRINITY without a doubt!!! Fast as hell and almost unbelievable battery life!
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Trinity IMHO....
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battery right now..
speed..
Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
I've got to say for me trinity is the best kernel for the Nexus 7, updated daily and great communication with the dev makes this an awesome kernel. The trinity toolbox app is the icing on the cake.
demandarin said:
Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
Trinity HANDS DOWN its been 3 hours on sleep and ITS still at 100%! + the ridiculous speed along with the power saving features. I may be new to the Nexus 7 scene but this is hands down to godly .
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
demandarin said:
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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azoller1 said:
so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
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I've underclocked mines to 1.1ghz also. battery doesn't want to budge from 100% so far..lol. it's barley sipping battery. the UI and browser is fluid n smooth at this underclock. which is a good thing. the real test will come once I play nova3 shortly. if it plays lag free on this lower speed then underclocking is a winner. I set my governor to interactive though. you get better battery life than ondemand. using deadline also. with fsync set to faster.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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I understand nexus 7 is still infancy, developement wise. its cool. just wondering if those features were included since the option disappeared. I could undervolt or increase voltage on motley kernel. the tkt app would let me do it on THST kernel as the section shows for it. but I like using system tuner for undervolting when I was on motleys kernel. can't wait to see what new features get added. plus once I get my new phone, hopefully there'll be a trinity kernel out for it so I can use tkt app with it. the build is very good.
demandarin said:
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
EDIT: Yes, emailing, tapatalk, browsing for laptop and not finding any, reading news in Pulse and flipboard, tweetcaster and testing slice(s?), gtalk, not heavy usage obviously. Screen wasn't on unless The Seven was used though.
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morfic said:
Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
jarjar124 said:
what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
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Expect no less.
I've been flashing all the latest and greatest KitKat ROMs for the LG LS980 Sprint variant and after benchmark testing them all using AnTuTu and Quadrant, I've noticed horrible benchmark scores. To put things in comparison the Stock ROM usually provides 37,000 AnTuTu and 21,000 Quadrant. On the KitKat ROMs, I get around 24,000 AnTuTu and 9,000 Quadrant. So the scores are about half what stock provides. I have tested this running the latest builds of KitKat DU, PA, Nameless, and CM11 to name a few. I use Furnace Kernel to Overclock to 2.5, but even without the Furnace kernel on the KitKat ROMs, I still get low scores so it doesn't seem to be the kernel so much as the AOSP base. Something must have changed in the latest builds because I don't recall having this issue of lower scores with slightly older builds of KitKat.
I just wanted to bring that to the attention of people here. If someone can confirm this that would be great too.
Also here is a link to a thread for an extensive benchmark test of CPU kernels and governors, and also a ROM to ROM feature comparison.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2625656
Running SlimKat on my D802 I get about 33k in AnTuTu compared to 37-38k on Rayglobe Flex. BUT, just like the Nexus 5, benchmarks DO NOT matter. Even though I get a lower score on 4.4, everything from gaming to browsing runs smoother. Also, as for now, I do not recommend installing any custom kernels on 4.4 roms since they only bring instability and higher benchmark scores yet lower overall performance. I truly respect the developers who are doing their best to create stable kernels, but as for know, dorimanx's kernel is the only kernel worth installing and it's only available for stock roms.
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Running SlimKat on my D802 I get about 33k in AnTuTu compared to 37-38k on Rayglobe Flex. BUT, just like the Nexus 5, benchmarks DO NOT matter. Even though I get a lower score on 4.4, everything from gaming to browsing runs smoother. Also, as for now, I do not recommend installing any custom kernels on 4.4 roms since they only bring instability and higher benchmark scores yet lower overall performance. I truly respect the developers who are doing their best to create stable kernels, but as for know, dorimanx's kernel is the only kernel worth installing and it's only available for stock roms.
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If I got a 33k in AnTuTu that would be normal. But I'm talking about 25k in AnTuTu. That's not a small change that can be ignored. That means there is some new code being compiled that is not efficiently making use of the processor's capabilities. I'm hoping that someone will look back at their code and realize that a vital piece of code was dropped and is affecting the whole system.
If it was all about just smooth performance, then there is no reason to even have an Snapdraon 800 in the first place. We can all learn to be happy with the perfectly reasonable performance of hardware that's 2 generations old. But if we are being sold or given software and hardware that is supposed to be better or optimized then it better be and not just rely on consumers to fall under a blind veil of a placebo effect.
Furthermore KitKat ROMs are not coded to support HTML5 whereas the Stock ROM is, so websites will be more compatible with the browsers in the stock ROM.
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If I got a 33k in AnTuTu that would be normal. But I'm talking about 25k in AnTuTu. That's not a small change that can be ignored. That means there is some new code being compiled that is not efficiently making use of the processor's capabilities. I'm hoping that someone will look back at their code and realize that a vital piece of code was dropped and is affecting the whole system.
If it was all about just smooth performance, then there is no reason to even have an Snapdraon 800 in the first place. We can all learn to be happy with the perfectly reasonable performance of hardware that's 2 generations old. But if we are being sold or given software and hardware that is supposed to be better or optimized then it better be and not just rely on consumers to fall under a blind veil of a placebo effect.
Furthermore KitKat ROMs are not coded to support HTML5 whereas the Stock ROM is, so websites will be more compatible with the browsers in the stock ROM.
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If there is indeed some new code that is affecting then CPU, how can you explain the fact that I never got under 33k in Antutu? (I'm talking about SlimKat and Mahdi, I don't know about others)
Also regarding the placebo effect you're mentioning...so basically you're telling me that the increased smoothness across the whole OS is just my imagination and that it is better to have better results in benchmarks and slower performance? Also, the stock ROM is probably one of the most stable ROMs I've used so far so you really can't talk about lies. Both the benchmark scores and day to day usage are more than acceptable. When you decide to install a custom rom, you automatically need to make sure that you're willing to accept some sort of bugs or errors. The developers are not working for you. You're not paying them anything. So automatically you have no right to complain, just to mention the bugs so that the user developing the rom will try to fix them.
Regarding the browser's compatibility, you may be right, yet I haven't encountered any issues for now. That doesn't mean that they don't exist but as long as it doesn't affect me as an user, then I'm OK.
I'm not trying to say that KitKat roms are perfect. Far from it. But in my case, they're more than usable as a daily driver. Others may not feel this way though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48602475&postcount=48
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Ihave been searchingand searching for a nice rom with good features and low bloat n junk...derpBarebones...Comes with STweaks...OC'd to 2.7 running at almost 37000 benchmark on antutu and now lag or anything...runs VERY smooth and also gets GREAT benchmark compared to the other roms out there...also running the 3.4.1 KK kernel i think IT'S CLOUDY;'S??