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What's the point of overclocking???

Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?

bluntly, if you dont see the point of it then you don't need it.
For others, sometimes you run alot of stuff in the background and still want to be able to have your main app perform at its best level.
There is also the minute tweaking of speed and snappiness of the interface. The idea of instant reaction when you open your message app, or your email, or anything.

bruceko86 said:
Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
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Heavy multitasking
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flash video seems pretty laggy to me at 800...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Best link ever! I hope i can remember it long enough to use it sometime.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.

bruceko86 said:
Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Fair question IMHO.
I don't see the difference when overclocking, or rather I don't feel it. Software does make a difference, but not the extra 200-500Mhz. I do feel however the battery drain

It always makes me laugh when somebody asks a legitimate question and you get silly responses like the above 2. It's as if these people feel threatened and have to justify that they are more knowledgeable than the op. The facts of the matter are most of the tweaks, mods and alterations are wholly unnecessary in the real world.

If you don't feel like it makes it better then you don't have to use it. I use it because I feel it makes everything just a little snappier and more instant. If you don't notice a difference that's fine. It's probably trivial for me to notice the little hang ups but I can't help it.
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For me there's several reasons. For the most part, the reason for oc is because you can. But there are practical reasons as well. For example, with the stock ROM running at 800MHz, you're stuck with that. With an oc kernel and using SetCPU or built in clock settings in CM, you can adjust it as needed. Gonna play a game? Bump it up to 1GHz or so. Done with said game? Take it back down to 800MHz. But it's not all about oc. Sometimes there's a need to underclock. Getting low on battery and don't have a charger near by and need to squeeze another hour or two out of it? Maybe take it down to 768MHz or 600MHz (if you're running Pershoot's kernel).

Dungeon Defender:
800 mHz : not fun, laggy
1.5 gHz : fun, graphic are more smooth

Reasons for using over clocking:
Because I can
Because sometimes I do notice the difference in performance of the UI and some applications (wait for Sense 3.0 etc...)
Because I also use it to underclock.
Like everything else, a lot of it is perception. My wife cannot see any difference between our normal cable channels and the HD ones. I can (or am I just trying to convince myself that I can?). Oh well.

Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.

here's my experience when it comes to overclocking. keep in mind that, like with your computer, it does vary from user to user... so I'm making these statements from MY experience, not making blanket statements regarding all of our devices:
- if you run multiple homescreens with multiple widgets and ui "smoothness," not just aesthetically, but performance-wise as well, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you have several apps running at any given time (in background or foreground) and ui smoothness, same definition as above, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run any iteration of a sense rom in any configuration and ui smoothness is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run PSX/N64 emulators and you don't want audio distortion or general lagginess, more aggressive (in my case, 1209 is a safe speed for maximizing performance without having a drastic effect on battery life) overclocking becomes necessary.
on AOSP builds, especially gingerbread-based, I don't think there is a necessity for more processing power than what we get from the factory if you're running a relatively slim setup and aren't using something like a PSX/N64 emulator regularly.

I run mine at 1ghz, but I did use 1.2ghz before. I do notice a slight performance difference. Overall tho I don't notice it much. I notice it more when I'm doing multiple things.
Nonsense!

OneGoodKnock said:
Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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I run 1.1 because it is noticably faster. Everything opens faster and works smoother. My wife has a stock G2 and when I grab it to look something up on the web or to use maps when we're out, I instantly notice how mucher slower hers is.
Works for me so I use it.

I notice a definite performance boost on mine, but it also depends on which kernel/ROM you use. I was running meXroid for a few days and found that it got extremely laggy even overclocked with Flippy's kernel built in (1.9Ghz), plus my battery was dying faster than a Chuck Norris joke. PyroMod has always been reliable for me and I flashed back to 2.0 earlier and it's just as reliable and power-saving as ever.

mputtr said:
For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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Thanks for that.

Benchmarks DO Matter!

hi. i have seen people here saying that "Benchmarks prove nothing" and even one of the Senior member saying so.
but what i have experienced after using Note and switching between different ROMS like Rocket Rom v22 and v23, Midnote, CheckRom and Stunner Rom, i have found that Yes the Benchmarks Do matter a lot in terms of just explaining how your phone will perform.
i mean i ran the bencmarks on all of these Roms and i used them all for about 4 to 5 days each, and i found that not all of these give equal results and not all of these are equal.
the Check rom performed the worst among all of these Roms. by the time i installed it, my phone started giving me issues. like the battery issue. whenever i connected the phone to the data cable and either connect to my pc or laptop or even the charger, there would a screen popup saying, battery removed! i did everything i could do to fix this issue but all in vain.
well the best Rom in terms of performance is the Rocket Rom. rocket rom gave me the highest scores and i found it to be the most stable Rom.
Midnote was ok rom. it gave me really good benchmark scores but there were lots of force closes.
i really dont want to talk about the CheckRom. it gave me the lowest scores and it proved to be the most buggy rom i have used, and then came the battery removed issue.
Surprisingly i, the ICS Stunner Rom was the Rom which gave me around 110000 score in the Browser mark in the native browser, but for the rest of the benchmarks it gave me normal scores.
so in my point of view the best rom for note for now is the Rocket rom, but if u want buttery smooth UI and 199% smoothness, go for the ICS Stunner. but the payoff is that u loose the SNote and the screen capture capability which i really love about my note.
hence proved, Benchmark Results Do make a difference!...... These are my own personal results and you may have different results but I thought I would share my findings....

aami.aami said:
hence proved, Benchmark Results Do make a difference!
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Hardly proved! Far from it.
Benchmarks *can* give you an indication of performance, but *nothing* is better than simply trying out different ROMs and making your own objective decision.
Fwiw though, some benchmarks simply aren't worth the time and effort - Quadrant, I'm looking at you!
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Dave
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I am gonna steal my friend's Chasmodo quote (credits to Chas)
A man without a benchmark is like a camel without electric toothbrush
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Benchmarking could be slightly usefull when comparing different roms though optimalizations that are specifically made to reduce boottime, remove lag or whatever might not show up in te scores.
Using benchmarks to compare phones is definately useless, for example because Android forces you to run apps in the native phone resolution. The Note runs at 1280x800 which means any phone with a similar GPU but lower resolution like the standard 800x480 could synthetically outperform the Note.

Just to throw another point in there I know it can be easily disputed but take for example iOS and windows phone.
Windows phones are limited to single core and they still run smoothly due to optimization.
the latest iPhone 4s has a dual core A5s @ 800mhz, yet it still runs smoothly.
As mentioned above in the thread the only real way is to try out the phone for yourself.

Dude, it's obvious you're no scientist. You haven't proved anything trying to connect benchmark scores with stability and force closes. The only thing a benchmark could indicate is possibly smoothness. It's all about you simply trying different ROMs and finding one that is subjectively working best for you.
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Benchmarks generally test specific capabilities of hardware: arithmetic calculations, GPU performance, etc.
That being the case they are a good yard stick for how the HARDWARE of different devices compare in terms of performance for the most part. Although software and the OS do obviously play their part, the tests are generally targeted at exercising specific aspects of the 'computer' rather than the overall OS.
OS performance is another, much more complex, aspect that benchmarks struggle to cater for. Small changes in benchmark scores between different ROMs is unlikely to tell us much. Somebody who reviews those ROMs and give a fair summary of the overall performance, stability, etc is a much better guide (like the OP, in this case - after a fashion!)

Check Rom is '****ty'?
What utter claptrap. Only proves you have no idea about how to set your phone up properly.
As for the battery issue, really? I've been running checkrom on 3 notes(mine,my wifes and my dads) and never had fcs, battery issues.
Benchmarks are for people like you.

aami.aami said:
the Check rom is the Most ****ty Rom i have used among all of these Roms. by the time i installed it, my phone started giving me ****ty issues.
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Yo, Benchmarker, watch your language.
Calling any development '****ty' just showcases your poor manners, egomania and general absence of intelligent thinking.
The devs give you something for free.
You don't like it, move on. And keep shtum about it. That's what people with manners do.
I wish you luck in your future benchmarking endeavors, and hope never to hear about them.

Benchmarks don't prove a ****. But I do it every time I try out a new kernel and waste 5 precious minutes of my life.
By the way, calling Checkrom ****ty was insult of all checkrom devs and ultimately an insult of xda itself, we are here because of all these devs.
You simply could have said it had lowest benchmarks or even it was sub par.
May I hope that next time you will carry general code of conduct and keep your ****ty opinions within your skull ?

chasmodo said:
Yo, Benchmarker, watch your language.
Calling any development '****ty' just showcases your poor manners, egomania and general absence of intelligent thinking.
The devs give you something for free.
You don't like it, move on. And keep shtum about it. That's what people with manners do.
I wish you luck in your future benchmarking endeavors, and hope never to hear about them.
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That's what I'm talking about.
Don't benchmark the OS and mobile, but benchmark your brain that is it capable enough to run that device at its fullest without the need of any score to prove anything.
Just my 2 cents.

aami.aami said:
hence proved, Benchmark Results Do make a difference!
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where have you proved anything? you really are a bit deluded arent you

Benchmark are valuable in terms of relative comparison to the same benchmark.
Benchmark just don't correlate well to real world performance.
IE: Note LTE ATT on speed app runs 15-20 M's, mine runs 7-9 in same location. Same network. Yet download Engadget simultaneously and they're even.

Benchmarks prove nothing.
/wisdom

mfractal said:
Benchmarks prove nothing.
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Benchmarks prove everything.
/wisdumb

Zamboney said:
Dude, it's obvious you're no scientist. You haven't proved anything trying to connect benchmark scores with stability and force closes. The only thing a benchmark could indicate is possibly smoothness. It's all about you simply trying different ROMs and finding one that is subjectively working best for you.
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i really dont understand why some people dont understand what the main point some statement is. its quite simple, nothing scientific and i did not talk about any technicalities. see for your self, the more smoother the ROM is the more better the Hardware of the phone is going with the build of the ROM that's obvious, right? now that would mean more room for the hardware of the phone to be available for better benchmark results.

aami.aami said:
i really dont understand why some people dont understand what the main point some statement is. its quite simple, nothing scientific and i did not talk about any technicalities. see for your self, the more smoother the ROM is the more better the Hardware of the phone is going with the build of the ROM that's obvious, right? now that would mean more room for the hardware of the phone to be available for better benchmark results.
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probably but not necessarily, correlation does not mean causation,
each benchmark result is moreless the weighted average of few or more individual test results - now let's take Quadrant, which is (was?) heavily biased towards 3D graphics performance - how much is that representative of ROM performance under typical (non-gaming) phone usage?
PS.
Benchmarks may matter. Size matters more.
(Anyone telling otherwise is either ashamed or trying to be nice)

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Watch your language....... nothing wrong with arguing about results or subjective findings, but almost all opinions are subjective..... so discuss nicely or we close the thread if flaming starts up
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One thing apple got google and its oem beats. Dont fking look at the hardware and benchmark. Look at the user experience. Not saying ios and iphone is great for the folks who like to tinker. But for a dual core 800mhz iphone4 or ipad2 it sure runs a lot smoother than a note with stock touchwiz or some other launcher. Afterall u r using ur device, ur own judgement should tell u how good the device is not some program score. And there will always room for hardware improvement, but can the software follows? How many app is actually utilizing multi core process?
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put new Kernels you will see big different in benchmark.
From my experience testing roms + kernels I see that benchmarks really nothing
I got with Antutu benchamrk with stock rom and stock kernel about 6900 score
but it was so laggy and battery sucks. atm using Chrack´s rom extra small + speedmod v10 and its perfect no lags good battery life smooth but the benchmark sucked got like 4500. So benchmarks aren't the way to chose a rom otherwise there is no need to test and share experience with people

The Best Kernel

Here is the best kernel for stock based x10 roms.
n5-1 http://www.mediafire.com/?z8voe760ok24doy
ALL THANKS TO THJAP
You don't know what you've been missing! This is for locked bootloaders so flash it with xrecovery. For unlocked bootloaders flash baseband .71 with flashtool first which also gives you the stock kernel. Then you can flash this kernel through recovery.
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Features?

Farik335 said:
Features?
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Im not even sure whats different about this one over others. All I know is its way better than any other I've tryed.
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There is no such thing as a "Best kernel"! it grealty depends on what rom you're using, which settings you apply, ram, number of apps, cpu frequencies, governors and i/o scheduler. It also greatly differs per phone!!!!!

This one doesnt work on jaf rom!
It makes my phone to stuck at bootscreen!
And after flashing back to dooms kernel,everything is lagging,so i had to restore a backup!really a great kernel!

After flashing this My phone speed is like flashing the new Adreno ICS Driver its really slow

OK OK OK
I know benchmarks don't mean anything to you guys.
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JeffreyPiket said:
Read this and weep!!!!!
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Man. I thought that would spark a reaction.
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tonyreimer said:
OK OK OK
I know benchmarks don't mean anything to you guys.
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Read it and weep!!!!!
Dani897 said:
benchmarks are basically useless to the end user. fun to compare but dont think about it too much. a benchmark like quadrant can show a low score based on one area of poor performance but there is no guarantee that that will cause a bottleneck for data. it can also generate a high score based on one area and there is no proof that it is benificial. for instance we use voodoo lagfix that increases filesystem io according to the method quadrant usses to measure it by a fairly significant amount. it has never been proven to reduce hesitation of the phone outside of perception of the user, it is a good mod and i dont knock it im just trying to be objective. the thing is that data goes throught many componants and is held in ram and cached on the cpu, as long as the useage is light the file system performance is barely an issue because there are several systems that act as buffers, only when processing long sets of data uninterupted will the certain speeds become a bottleneck.
for a good analogy it is like drinking through a straw vs drinking through a hose vs drinking through a 1ft diameter pipe. the straw may slow the speed you can drink while the hose will not, but the pipe can supply much more water yet it is of no benifit to the person drinking because he can only drink so fast.
add cacheing into the analogy and it is like filling a glass through a straw a pipe and a hose. the glass can supply the person drinking as fast as they need it, but only holds so much liquid, it is enough in for on person but if several people want to drink (multi tasking or heavy usage) the staw will be a bottle neck, the hose will not and the pipe though overkill may make things marginally faster. now if there is alot of caheing it may be more like filling buckets and then the pipe may help but only when there is an enormous amount of data being used and in that case it needs to be processed just as fast, this is when the cpu can become a bottle neck.
it is very difficult to write a benchmark that can take this into account so it is hard to tell the usefullness of the data the benchmark gives you without reading the results of the individual tests it performs and making judgment calls.
we can increase our benchmark scores for filesystem by changing the filesystem to ext4, and even better by going with nilfs or nilfs2. we can increase sequencial reads by increasing readahead but that reduces random performance and waists resources. it all becomes a big balancing act and the end results can vary.
there are also ways to change the ram timing, the dalvik cache heap size, alter the ram disks, we can make the rom smaller and remove stock apps that are not needed, turn off background services that use resources, change polling frequencies to save resources, change governors to ramp up faster, alter and compile drivers for more efficient use of hardware, and a long list of other things. some work extremely well, some don't. some will make the phone snappier and have no effect on benchmarks, some will greatly increase benchmarks and not the feel of the phone.
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Check out the 2d and 3d on the bottom of the top screen shot. I challenge you to get that good on both of them with any other kernel on our old x10.
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tonyreimer said:
Check out the 2d and 3d on the bottom of the top screen shot. I challenge you to get that good on both of them with any other kernel on our old x10.
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No Comment... don't feel offended.. but
Did you read anything from the text Jeffrey posted?
You, well not you, but any good Dev can tweak a kernel and rom, to be good in Benchmarks.. while the general User Experience just plain sucks..
And to be honest, almost every ICS Rom with a somewhat decent optimized Kernel, has more 2D and 3D points than your screenshot.. i don't even need to post proof. it's a fact, even with the Xperia X10.
And there is no such thing as a best kernel...
Depending on the user, every Kernel has it dis-/advantages..
And thats why i think it's good for your ROM to support multiple Kernels, a thing many dev's are still missing, because when you have multiple Kernels, every user can use the Kernel best suited for his needs.

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No Comment... don't feel offended.. but
Did you read anything from the text Jeffrey posted?
You, well not you, but any good Dev can tweak a kernel and rom, to be good in Benchmarks.. while the general User Experience just plain sucks..
And to be honest, almost every ICS Rom with a somewhat decent optimized Kernel, has more 2D and 3D points than your screenshot.. i don't even need to post proof. it's a fact, even with the Xperia X10.
And there is no such thing as a best kernel...
Depending on the user, every Kernel has it dis-/advantages..
And thats why i think it's good for your ROM to support multiple Kernels, a thing many dev's are still missing, because when you have multiple Kernels, every user can use the Kernel best suited for his needs.
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Ya, I read it. I haven't tryed ics yet cause i use my phone as my internet connection. OK thats fine. I don't really care if not anyone else uses this kernel but as for me its the best one I've ever had. Peace
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:silly: That's all!

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JeffreyPiket said:
There is no such thing as a "Best kernel"! it grealty depends on what rom you're using, which settings you apply, ram, number of apps, cpu frequencies, governors and i/o scheduler. It also greatly differs per phone!!!!!
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Totally agree with this post

Best Kernel out there?

which kernel out there is the best right now? in battery life and speed

theres only one that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.

I like Trinity but Motley also did very well for me.
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simms22 said:
theres only that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
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This^ look at it this way. The nexus allready has great performance, it will handle any game you throw at it. (Unless not optimized for tegra 3) so wht else do you need? A kernel that gives amazing battery life. And what kernel is that..... \l/ TRINITY \l/
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TRINITY without a doubt!!! Fast as hell and almost unbelievable battery life!
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Trinity IMHO....
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battery right now..
speed..

Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.

I've got to say for me trinity is the best kernel for the Nexus 7, updated daily and great communication with the dev makes this an awesome kernel. The trinity toolbox app is the icing on the cake.

demandarin said:
Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best

simms22 said:
1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?

Trinity HANDS DOWN its been 3 hours on sleep and ITS still at 100%! + the ridiculous speed along with the power saving features. I may be new to the Nexus 7 scene but this is hands down to godly .

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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.

thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.

so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out

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thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet

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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
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I've underclocked mines to 1.1ghz also. battery doesn't want to budge from 100% so far..lol. it's barley sipping battery. the UI and browser is fluid n smooth at this underclock. which is a good thing. the real test will come once I play nova3 shortly. if it plays lag free on this lower speed then underclocking is a winner. I set my governor to interactive though. you get better battery life than ondemand. using deadline also. with fsync set to faster.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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I understand nexus 7 is still infancy, developement wise. its cool. just wondering if those features were included since the option disappeared. I could undervolt or increase voltage on motley kernel. the tkt app would let me do it on THST kernel as the section shows for it. but I like using system tuner for undervolting when I was on motleys kernel. can't wait to see what new features get added. plus once I get my new phone, hopefully there'll be a trinity kernel out for it so I can use tkt app with it. the build is very good.

demandarin said:
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
EDIT: Yes, emailing, tapatalk, browsing for laptop and not finding any, reading news in Pulse and flipboard, tweetcaster and testing slice(s?), gtalk, not heavy usage obviously. Screen wasn't on unless The Seven was used though.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??

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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
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Expect no less.

[Q] Performance difference from different kernels on different roms

Hi,
I've noticed a huge performance difference between kernels and the roms they're used with.
For example:
I was using AOKP and Franco kernel and got around 20000 antutu points, I've switched to Carbon Rom (because of the build in pie control) and Franco kernel and only get around 13000 points, that's a huge difference.
As a test I've installed Matr1x-kenel on Carbon and get around 21000 points.
I really like Franco-kernel and all the tweaks it offers but don't like the huge drop in benchmarks, I know benchmarks are not a real representation of actual performance but it's still a big difference.
This also occurs in Quadrant and Geekbench.
So my question is why does this happen?
Aren't most roms supposed to be compatible with most kernels?
Thank you in advance.
Best regards.

I can't answer your question as to why that happens (no doubt someone else will) but you seriously should just stop bothering with benchmarks and use your own eyes and experiences as a measure of how good a kernel/ROM is. I doubt you could find a kernel which made the phone visibly slow or that affected usability so I don't see what your concern is tbh.

Thanks for your answer.
Yeah, I read that a lot on XDA, don't trust benchmarks...I understand that but they must have some meaning.
I mean, if not why do they exist or do people bother using them?
To be honest I don't really notice any real performance difference between most kernels I've tested.
Best regards

some roms include many optimizations(like skia/dalvik, krait optimizations, and others), while some dont. its not thekernel thats crapping out on you, its the rom.
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Nigeldg said:
I can't answer your question as to why that happens (no doubt someone else will) butcomseriously should just stop bothering with benchmarks and use your own eyes and experiences as a measure of how good a kernel/ROM is. I doubt you could find a kernel which made the phone visibly slow or that affected usability so I don't see what your concern is tbh.
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your eyes can be decieved.. they can see whats happening in the ui for example, but you can not see the complex calculations that are being performed or how your cpu is really performing. you can have a slow device whos ui is quick.

OK, I can understand that not all roms are equal but why does changing the kernel have such a seamingly big impact?
If a rom is bad to begin with it should stay that way no matter what kernel you use with it.
Offcourse what do I know, I'm not a developer so my knowledge on the subject is limited.
I'm just trying to understand what's going on...
Best regards

Pihkal said:
OK, I can understand that not all roms are equal but why does changing the kernel have such a seamingly big impact?
If a rom is bad to begin with it should stay that way no matter what kernel you use with it.
Offcourse what do I know, I'm not a developer so my knowledge on the subject is limited.
I'm just trying to understand what's going on...
Best regards
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kernels vary too, and they impact greatly because they control just about everything in the phone, kinda like a brain. since the kernels themselves vary, one kernel might be better set up than another to deal with certain code from a certain rom. and then also, every phone reacts differently to each kernel(and roms to a point). thats why its recommended to try out different kernels, combos. only then you can find the perfect combo for you/your device. what works great for somebody, can be lousy for another.

OK, so if i understand correctly it boils down to this:
1. You can do benchmarks but don't base your opinion on just the benchmark scores.
2. Roms can vary greatly in optimizations and efficiency of coding.
3. Kernels can also vary greatly in optimizations and efficiency of coding.
4. There's no such thing as a "best for everyone rom/kernel combo".
5. Not all roms/kernels play equally nice with each other.
6. Play around with as many roms / kernels as possible and decide what works best for ME based on MY experience.
Thanks for the advice.
Best regards.

Its been well over a year since I ran any benchmark of any sort but I tested Franco and carbon because that's what I'm on and you mentioned low scores. I'm on Franco m3 with some tweaked settings and carbon nightly from 7-5. Antutu gave me 20636. I'm using stock CPU and GPU frequencies.

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Its been well over a year since I ran any benchmark of any sort but I tested Franco and carbon because that's what I'm on and you mentioned low scores. I'm on Franco m3 with some tweaked settings and carbon nightly from 7-5. Antutu gave me 20636. I'm using stock CPU and GPU frequencies.
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Maybe the nightly Carbon rom is more optimized?
I'm on Carbon 1.7 Stable and used Franco nightly 162 to test with.
When I benchmark I try to be as consistent as possible ie same temperature, performance governor, airplane mode etc.
I even cooled my Nexus in the freezer for some minutes to eliminate thermal throttling (yeah I know, watchout for condensation) but still got the same low scores.
Best regards.

Pihkal said:
Maybe the nightly Carbon rom is more optimized?
I'm on Carbon 1.7 Stable and used Franco nightly 162 to test with.
When I benchmark I try to be as consistent as possible ie same temperature, performance governor, airplane mode etc.
I even cooled my Nexus in the freezer for some minutes to eliminate thermal throttling (yeah I know, watchout for condensation) but still got the same low scores.
Best regards.
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It might be, I didn't do anything special. I left all my background apps running, didnt close anything in the recents, didn't cool the phone first. I just downloaded it and hit start. I use the interactive governor tweaked a bit, and I also tweaked the hotplug settings so it more readily onlines all 4 cores instead of waiting for some of the higher loads to trigger it.

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It might be, I didn't do anything special. I left all my background apps running, didnt close anything in the recents, didn't cool the phone first. I just downloaded it and hit start. I use the interactive governor tweaked a bit, and I also tweaked the hotplug settings so it more readily onlines all 4 cores instead of waiting for some of the higher loads to trigger it.
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Well, I had to try it myself so I did a factory reset, cleared system,data and dalvik, installed latest carbon nightly.
With stock kernel I almost reached 21000 points, with franco I barely get 17000 points.
Very strange...
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I stand corrected, did a second benchmark and am now getting 20880 points...

are you benchmarking with your cpu speed benchmarked set as highest and lowest cpu speed? you should. if you dont put the same cpu speed as highest and lowest then itll scale up and down. if it scales, you dont actually know what speed its testing and it gives you inconsistamt scores. you want the cpu speed to be the same throughout the test.

When I benchmark I set the governor to performance, this should keep the cpu running at maximum speed without scaling unless I'm mistaking...

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When I benchmark I set the governor to performance, this should keep the cpu running at maximum speed without scaling unless I'm mistaking...
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meh, performance is the worst for benchmarking. its such a deceiving name. try either ondemand or interactive. set your cpu speed to be the same high and low.

simms22 said:
meh, performance is the worst for benchmarking. its such a deceiving name. try either ondemand or interactive. set your cpu speed to be the same high and low.
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Woow, that's a great tip, I now get 22003 points with Matr1x-kernel.

Pihkal said:
Woow, that's a great tip, I now get 22003 points with Matr1x-kernel.
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better :highfive: