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Pocket-Lint.com - SE says "We've made mistakes, 2011 we'll be better"

“The first generation of handsets in our portfolio was about getting the capability out there”, Steve Walker (Acting) global head of marketing for Sony Ericsson told Pocket-lint, in a one-to-one interview at CES in Las Vegas.
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“Last year we didn’t anticipate the strength of feeling that consumers would have towards the Android release. And again that was a learning experience of the first year of mass market Android smartphones”.
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Here's the full article: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37869/sony-ericsson-2010-mistakes-made#ixzz1AqoY2JHm
Don't forget to post your comments for SE on the Pocket-Lint site.

I actually do have faith in SE handling their software better with the Arc and such, it just doesn't benefit me at all since I'm married to my X10 at least for the next couple of years or so. I dunno, everything I've felt is necessary to say about their current lineup is said already, it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"

I should not read this :/ wrrrr...
“If we hadn’t done what we did with the X10 and the X10 minis we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’ve done here today”
M****r f****r :/

Tl;dr version - Lol congratz x10 owners you are officially our Guinea pig idiots, THATS what you get for trusting us to follow up on promises. Oh well right? No hard feelings k? thnxbai

ooidort said:
... it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
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This sums it up pretty well.
ledn said:
M****r f****r :/
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But, so does this.

bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.

This only throws more wood in the fire.
Oh SE, you keep doing it wrong... And I still had a little hope...

kindred7 said:
bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
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Basically.

It's not news that they were wrong...
It would be nice to know they're going to make it right...
but they aint.

Hi, SE,how about giving us froyo + gingerbread or giving us all an Xperia Arc since X10 owners were all shafted?

Basically saying:
"Thanks to be beta-testers, dear users of X10-families. Now goodbye, but meanwhile please enjoy our half-arsed pathetic attempt in Android until it's dead, coz we don't care about old stuff no more now we got the Awesome Arc. Once again, thanks"

"we've made mistakes ".... saying that is the mistake... so that's mean buying x10 is a wrong thing and you should not buy x10 or x8 or mini because it's a mistake ... will i got SE something ... for me trusting SE was a mistake .

My usual,
SE, may Death be bestowed on you.
PUI...........

SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...

having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.

coipu1234 said:
having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
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witch one "X10 , Mini , pro & X8" are outdated :s the arc is not on the Market
, we choose the bad brand and our dev try to give us some light with root and custom rom , i dont understand if Zdishu , Jerpelea & ... from XDA are able to develop 2.2 , 2.3 android rom , with good ressources they could do that perfectly pfff SE S**k

roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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Got to agree there with u. And neither would I be suggesting this phone to any1 again. Sure it feels nice to see ppl admiring the x10 but what's the use if it ain't up to date. A smartphone that's not even a phone :'(
God damn SE atleast unlock the friggin' bootloader. x-(
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Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.

D-Trixxx said:
Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
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Not when long-term is defined as a fiscal year.

roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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I can't agree with this... maybe earlier it was like that, ppl never know about updates, and didn't care much, but now with all this Android hype, more and more people are talking about Android, Froyo, games, MT and stuff, they all are aware of this. And looking how HTC updates their cheap phones like Wildfire and Tatto to froyo... they will ask how come they don't have Froyo on top model SE phone
I'm sure that SE will get what it deserves..

May be getting offerd a new contract due to the faults on my x10 - what phone?

Well being on my second handset and having serious problems the that even the shop cannot get sony to sort out [virtually un usable reboots + overheating] I may be getting offered a new contract if they can rather than a 3rd x10. What would you go for? UK - Orange, thinking desire HD. Love my x10 appart from all the problems with my un-luckiness but never mind will be glad to be rid of the problems

Desire HD is great, but everybody sais that the battery last only for a half day. If I were you I would get a Nexus S or a Galaxy S (maybe Desire Z)
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Dont think they have it in phones4u yet

go3asy said:
Dont think they have it in phones4u yet
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To tell the truth I don't really know the possibilities in thr UK, all I know is that you can buy it, but maybe not at orange
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Desire HD or Nexus S :-D
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One of the nexus phones or Desire HD. Or that moto droid 2 global. Dunno if moto will update it though
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go3asy said:
Well being on my second handset and having serious problems the that even the shop cannot get sony to sort out [virtually un usable reboots + overheating] I may be getting offered a new contract if they can rather than a 3rd x10. What would you go for? UK - Orange, thinking desire HD. Love my x10 appart from all the problems with my un-luckiness but never mind will be glad to be rid of the problems
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4G capable.

Anything not maunfactured by Sony Ericsson.

Do you think you could get a short term phone.. and then arc?

I think stock android is extremely ugly. And also, the Nexus S isn't exactly a looker... might be hard to adjust from the X10
I say wait for the Arc

I think you'd have to be retarded to buy an arc personally.. after seeing how they do business.

fiscidtox said:
I think you'd have to be retarded to buy an arc personally.. after seeing how they do business.
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Agree 100%
better to get Galaxy S . HTC's service is good but i didn't like most of their smartphones i bought (Pure - HD - Diamond ) And they have a bad signal and battery doesn't last long.

fiscidtox said:
I think you'd have to be retarded to buy an arc personally.. after seeing how they do business.
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Couldn't agree with you more. I actually went through X1, X2 and X10 before I woke up.
You won't have to worry about buying the Arc anyway. It will be released 6-9 months late like every other SE "flagship".

augie7107 said:
Couldn't agree with you more. I actually went through X1, X2 and X10 before I woke up.
You won't have to worry about buying the Arc anyway. It will be released 6-9 months late like every other SE "flagship".
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kinda long wait but i might say it will come out till 2.3 gets old

pngface said:
I think stock android is extremely ugly. And also, the Nexus S isn't exactly a looker... might be hard to adjust from the X10
I say wait for the Arc
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I actually think the blue SE skin looks dreadful.
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I also think you should go for the Arc at least i am. I have been extremely happy with the X10 and dont really care about SE Updates being late as all i care is being able to mod it and have devs supporting it. All the people complaining from SE are just ...idk you decide, just look at all other companies Apple, Samsung, Htc they all have their own problems just look in their forums and see the same story..people screaming f..k Samsung never again f...k Htc etc.. I really do a lot and i mean alot of research before i buy a phone and let me tell you the x10 suited me alot more than a galaxy s or a desire or an iphone and ive had the galaxy s (just horrible phone...fast but unreliable plastic garbage so i said never Samsung) and i still have an iphone 4 well my wife does..that phone is so limited its not even funny..anyway all im saying is do not listen to never SE again and etc.. SE have been making nothing but great reliable devices. Now the Arc is coming with the latest software so i dont think you should worry about any updates soon and plus x10 has a very good comunity here and i beleive the Arc will also and it will probably be the same people that own the x10 and more. Do your research and see what you like and what you want to do with the phone, remember its what you like not someone else.

fiscidtox said:
I think you'd have to be retarded to buy an arc personally.. after seeing how they do business.
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I think they are changing their strategy.. they admitted that they went about the X10 series in the wrong way.. I'm going to wait for the Q2 flagship, which should be a dualcore with ffc(not that i need one) but it will be a lot snappier I hope

pngface said:
I think they are changing their strategy.. they admitted that they went about the X10 series in the wrong way.. I'm going to wait for the Q2 flagship, which should be a dualcore with ffc(not that i need one) but it will be a lot snappier I hope
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By saying "We know we made mistakes..... butttt we aren't going to do anything about it", they are simply trying to convince previous customers this experience will be better, while at the same time winning over new customers who might have heard bad things about the x10, et al.
Just a lame marketing ploy. Now, if they were willing to actually step up and at least give us froyo, I, for one, would change my tune greatly.
I would be telling my friends to get the arc instead of the opposite (as I do love my x10, thanks to the community on here.), as I just hate the way sony ericsson choose to do business.

The Arc looks so good, I'm willing to forgive any of SE's sins
One device I'd really like to have in the interim is a Desire Z. 1.8Ghz baby
The Desire Z (T-mobile G2) is almost universally considered to be a good device. Better battery life than Desire HD i think. LOTS of developer support.

augie7107 said:
Anything not maunfactured by Sony Ericsson.
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Too right, never getting an SE phone again.
Nexus is my next phone... in 23 months lol :|

Sonys new devices officially announced, and a few of them! neo, pro, play etc!

Keep up to date im posting these on my site www.bitsnacker.com
I see why they are releasing the Xperia play, but im not so sure on the neo, pro and arc as they are all basically the same phone with a different case! They have definitely learnt fro the x10 customers though i think

There's a contest on Facebook to win one of ten Play's a month early. I think I'd rather play Farmville though.

Just been looking at the specs of the Neo and Pro.. The pro has more of a "business" market to it.. I'm not a huge fan of slide out keyboards, but a lot of people are..
The Neo seems to be a slightly smaller version of the Arc, but with the added benefit of a front facing camera...
I think I'd be torn between the Arc and the Neo.. would have to get both in my hand to see which one is best for me.

lol probably get released with 2.1 and then get froyo a year later when everyone else is already on android 3.0...
Fk SE, I love my x10 but I wouldn't buy another one of their phones

Fck SE, with XDA I can have whatever I want!

fiscidtox said:
lol probably get released with 2.1 and then get froyo a year later when everyone else is already on android 3.0...
Fk SE, I love my x10 but I wouldn't buy another one of their phones
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Students, if you look on to your left, you'll see a troll behind the glass...oh sorry, I thought it was a museum

Tehouster said:
Fck SE, with XDA I can have whatever I want!
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agree!!
even with SCE support SE SUCKS!!!!!!

unknown13x +1.. unhealthy.. Would be interesting to hear SE's upgrade strategy for the new range though.. and a likely time line from OS release from Google to upgraded OS from SE.. if they've really leaned from the X10 then they'll have made it real easy to upgrade.. to stay ahead of the game.

unknown13x said:
Students, if you look on to your left, you'll see a troll behind the glass...oh sorry, I thought it was a museum
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And if you look to your right, you'll see a company shill that pretends to leak huge news to help the community, but really only promotes moving on to newer company offerings.

go3asy said:
Keep up to date im posting these on my site www.bitsnacker.com
I see why they are releasing the Xperia play, but im not so sure on the neo, pro and arc as they are all basically the same phone with a different case! They have definitely learnt fro the x10 customers though i think
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The "neo" is the vivaz 2 ^^
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R.I.P. Sony Ericsson!
Samsung is going 3 steps further with super amoled plus, 8.4mm thickness and dual core processor, after all these the Xperia Arc seems for childs to play! Sad..

lol probably get released with 2.1 and then get froyo a year later when everyone else is already on android 3.0...
Fk SE, I love my x10 but I wouldn't buy another one of their phones
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Fck SE, with XDA I can have whatever I want!
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And if you look to your right, you'll see a company shill that pretends to leak huge news to help the community, but really only promotes moving on to newer company offerings.
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Please grow up and be mature, do not spam this thread with your useless comments.
If you have anything to discuss about those product do use as long as it's not off-topic. Otherwise go somewhere is

There will be MASSIVE trolls tonight...straight up
Regarding its update, it's actually on another stage of development already...You'll hear some good news in April

unknown13x said:
There will be MASSIVE trolls tonight...straight up
Regarding its update, it's actually on another stage of development already...You'll hear some good news in April
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Quick question though, are they planning to release the 2.4 soon?
as far as I know it will be the same as the 2.3 but with dual-core apps support
Can't blame them if they won't though, Google just release 2.3 is December and they already are planning to release 2.4 in April :S
They have to slow down honestly, with this rate, they'll be out of OS names soon

MJ_QaT said:
Quick question though, are they planning to release the 2.4 soon?
as far as I know it will be the same as the 2.3 but with dual-core apps support
Can't blame them if they won't though, Google just release 2.3 is December and they already are planning to release 2.4 in April :S
They have to slow down honestly, with this rate, they'll be out of OS names soon
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April Did you noticed something in the announcement? Neo and pro never mentioned anything about 2.3. All they said is...Gingerbread

unknown13x said:
April Did you noticed something in the announcement? Neo and pro never mentioned anything about 2.3. All they said is...Gingerbread
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LoL smart thing to do
Can't wait for them to be released honestly

unknown13x
Hi! Can you tell me what is the hardware difference between Arc and Neo besides screen size and front camera? Wanted to get arc, but now i see that neo is not bad too. Could you? Thanx!

djandre said:
unknown13x
Hi! Can you tell me what is the hardware difference between Arc and Neo besides screen size and front camera? Wanted to get arc, but now i see that neo is not bad too. Could you? Thanx!
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That's about all that's different. If you want to save ALOT of money, go for neo, just a friendly suggestion I'm personally getting the arc soon, though if I have to dish out my money, the neo sold me

So anyone that doesn't agree with you and say "Omg Dizz iz so awesummm" is a troll?
Sorry, but others are allowed to have dissenting opinions, that's a fact of life. Go start an SE fan club if all you want is positive "Sony is da besttt!!11!" comments

fiscidtox said:
So anyone that doesn't agree with you and say "Omg Dizz iz so awesummm" is a troll?
Sorry, but others are allowed to have dissenting opinions, that's a fact of life. Go start an SE fan club if all you want is positive "Sony is da besttt!!11!" comments
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I didn't know opinions allowed here includes profanities In the view of people who use such words can only be viewed in one aspect as I have described. I don't mind people talking with real reasons, and I have accepted many opposing opinions, but to come in and say "F this, F that" IMO doesn't really put up much of a fight...

Sad news..,gingerbread for samsung galaxi family..

This news with hurt who buy xperia android phone.., very disappointed..., even galaxi mini with more cheaper than x8 will have gigngerbread from the official samsung.,what the hell with sony.., we only just eclair., never buy sony agains
androidos.in/2011/05/samsung-gingerbread-update-galaxy-s-ace-fit-gio-mini-tab/
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.

Drakenfall said:
Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...

fifo171 said:
i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...
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Why? well, if their competititors are launching the Ginger even in the low end phones, SE will be left behind in the competition, to keep up they should update theyre low end also.
Well, at least it´s a hope...not that they will.

these noob's from SE....
from today ONLY HTC, great smartphone's with great funcionality, for the same money...

Drakenfall said:
Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!

Asycid said:
No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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No, People already laugh at them cuz we use Custom GingerBread and is Pretty smooth...Stock ginger from SE should be even smoother, but they just won't release it

Asycid said:
No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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Soooo not true!!! Look at the members here at XDA. Most of us are running 2.2 or 2.3 ROMs smoothly. SE should think more before announcing these stuff.

Maybe I'm not wrote it understandable. I mean under my writing that SE can't change their mind because they stated a thing. I know we've got nice ROMs, but SE stated that it isn't possible... now if they make a 2.3 software, they'll just make ass from their mouth and this will not be good for their prestige.
I hope it is clear now what I'm thinking about, sorry for the inconveniences.
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That reminds me a situation that was something about 50 years ago. An guy from poland told that he can build computer that is smiliar size to case. Noone belived him and he made first small computer - K202. How much of them were produced? Only one. Comunist governement in poland send police to stop production and arest him.
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I change my mind.., this is a good news.., why dont we use this news to attack sony., if they have market strategi ,then we have customer strategi too., attack them with this news link in they forums.., and they other customer with see and with complain too.
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I hope that someone can port this (Clicky) to the X8
That new phone of SE is 2.3.

i really think that SE will change her minds again...at least here in my country we see loads of X8 for sale, or with discount to buy. It's good for them if the population buy their phones but they know already that noone will buy it at the moment if no upgrade for 2.3 is available.

i think that people who really want to wait for a official 2.3 rom from SE just need to wait till that marketing campaign of new xperia line ends. After that they will update all the other phones too. But till then they know that some people will get upset and buy one of the new xperias cause it has 2.3, hd, etc.

I hope that SE bring us some updates as far as the hardwares supports, by the way, I really appreciate the custom roms from devs, and shouldn´t change to stock ones

will sony support froyobread officialy ???

sony stop support for x8 forever or what?

Officially yes, sadly or not

Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony

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Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony
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don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$

Pff i dont need the official froyo. The froyos from our devs are a lot better even if SE will give us froyo i will stay with custom roms
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orangzeb said:
don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?

jkrauser2 said:
why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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i believe that sony developers have see this forum and said "ow great, i will stop developing software for x8" or said "ow great, i will fix the cm7's problem for x8, and release for official gingerbread x8"

It is a fact, that the custom ROMs made by the devs here are a lot better in any aspect, than that of sony... I just need to look at my battery gauge... with stock 1 day (if lucky) froyobread lasted for 3 days (and was still ar 25%) So I won't return to stock even if launched .
A more up to date kernel would be appreciated though

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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us

orangzeb said:
I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.

custom roms are lighted versions or originals.. useless stuff is deleted.. so that's good if talking about 2.2.. but about 2.3 dev's need to deal with camera and radio problems....(about radio,never mind )

orangzeb said:
I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .

spyder12345 said:
Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .
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+1 mate, look at my signature.
but I am planning to buy Xperia ARC as my last SE phone.

well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...

orangzeb said:
well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...
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Don't even mention Samsungs android phones... I've changed to X8 after Galaxy Spica... It really is horrible as stock, but far better with custom roms, but even because of the sh*tty drivers, kernels and everything, it is bad... But id had many buttons
I'm not disappointed in X8 (with custom rom of course, the stock s*cks like hell), with froyobread it is a very nice phone

i'm using froyobread and eclair 2.1 update 1 both ,

Exactly, with custom roms, who needs sony?, theyll probably forgot about the X8 and are working on the X16, I mean I just got the phone, SE lemme use it for a whole year, support it, update it, and then Ill think about changing it, but no, everyday new sh!t comes out!!!!

I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs

jkrauser2 said:
Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.
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Iam a die hard SE fan and i know they made some mistakes but new line up aint bad.i love Xperia ray

eagleeyetom said:
I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs
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I don't think it is because of that. Phone developers want to sell, that's why they release 1 update per phone, so that people keep buying the new ones