Ok, So I am incredibly unsatisfied with Sprint's service as of late. I purchased the Epic 4g Touch and experienced the dreaded "Loss Of Service" bug frequently. I was within my 14 day return limit so I went into the Visalia California Sprint Store to swap out for a different model (namely the Evo 3d which I traded in for the e4gt). I also signed 5 of my friends up with sprint as well and 2 of them got the e4gt and had the same exact issues. They convinced me to try a replacement and assured me that if it still experienced that bug I could return it within 14 days of receiving the replacement phone. The replacement phone was worse than the one I had originally and lost service every hour. I missed several calls from work leaving my employer under the impression I was angry and ignoring her and almost cost me my job. So I went in to the Visalia California store yet again to get a replacement model. I spoke with the same woman that convinced me to get the replacement model (She was also the manager) and she stated that the device was out of its 14 days since the FIRST device and that I couldn't get a different model (see what she did there?). So I went home and called Sprint off of another line and spent 4 hours total on hold. I hung up and called Sprint tech support and after running tests and walking me through updates and such the rep spoke with a manager on his end and concluded that I needed a different model of phone. He stated that he would note that down in the ticket and to go into the Visalia California store and they would give me a different model. So I went in to the store and spoke with the manager yet again. This time after reading the ticket she became rude and uncivil stating that the ticket says "customer needs to try a different model of phone" and that they didn't have to provide it for me and that even if it did, corporate cannot make them give me a different model. The whole time I was civil and polite but my frustration was building. I drove an hour to the Sprint store in Fresno only to find out that Visalia had to handle my case and that they could not even replace it with the same model. So I found a man on craigslist and traded it for a Nexus S 4g. I plan on paying out my contract asap and switching to Verizon. They know how to treat a customer.
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I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure since you live in the state of California you have up to 30-days to return a device and not 14 like other states.
i was told 14.
This thread should be titled “my Samsung experience.”
Welcome to Samsung. You have been initiated.
*nevermind*
read your local laws, scan or photo them, and send them to sprint. I have been a customer since 1999 and they would NEVER pull this poo with me. I threaten them every time I am on the phone, you'll get what you want, ask for the account retention department...
Wait what the hell? Verizon and AT&T both limit your data now? WTF I cant do that God they are sooo lucky I need a phone. So I get a choice between sh*tty customer service and sh*tty cellphone service... I can't live in this world anymore
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I don't see how it's Samsung's fault when Sprint refused to exchange the device even after his account was noted.
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I don't see how it's Samsung's fault when Sprint refused to exchange the device even after his account was noted.
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Because Samsung phones have constant issues....
The Bird is the Word
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Because Samsung phones have constant issues....
The Bird is the Word
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Ah. Loving my Nexus S. I've taken a vow to only use nexus phones from now on.
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I don't see how it's Samsung's fault when Sprint refused to exchange the device even after his account was noted.
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hi... I do not know much about sprint...I have heard of it for the first time... Can you tell me about it...!
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hi... I do not know much about sprint...I have heard of it for the first time... Can you tell me about it...!
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Read the first post. All you need to know
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sprint is fine, i work for them, it's just you always get the a**holes at some sprint stores, i would never treat a customer like that, let alone lead them in the wrong direction just for a commissioned pay, that's probably why that manager did that, but anywho, don't be mad at sprint, i'm sure you experience will get better with them, my parents have been with them for 15 years+ and never had an issue, and i've been with them for about 5 or 6 under my parents account, they have good service, just right now it's kinda hard keeping everyone happy while doing a MASSIVE network upgrade, but some people are impatient, but trust me sprint is the way to go
P.S. from reading your post, the initial issue does sound like it was the phone itself, you should have gotten something else, and don't bother with the 3d unless you can return it, i'm using it now, low signal strength, i would recommend the Photon (also own) the signal strength and radios in that phone are the strongest i've ever seen in any phone out there
buy your phone at target next time they have way better deals than sprint company stores and do a 30 day exchange period.. i work at a target mobile, we will treat you right,
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buy your phone at target next time they have way better deals than sprint company stores and do a 30 day exchange period.. i work at a target mobile, we will treat you right,
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I was thinking bestbuy.. there's no deposit on their insurance
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Target offers an insurance similiar to best buys black tie for 7.99 monthly or 179.99 one time payment coverage for two years,
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i was told 14.
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Wow, they change their terms.
http://www.sprint.com/landings/returns/
Was 30 in PA. Not sure what it is anymore.
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Target offers an insurance similiar to best buys black tie for 7.99 monthly or 179.99 one time payment coverage for two years,
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Have you ever tried to get a replacement? Try it on something low cost. Google the horror stories.
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sprint is fine, i work for them, it's just you always get the a**holes at some sprint stores, i would never treat a customer like that, let alone lead them in the wrong direction just for a commissioned pay, that's probably why that manager did that, but anywho, don't be mad at sprint, i'm sure you experience will get better with them, my parents have been with them for 15 years+ and never had an issue, and i've been with them for about 5 or 6 under my parents account, they have good service, just right now it's kinda hard keeping everyone happy while doing a MASSIVE network upgrade, but some people are impatient, but trust me sprint is the way to go
P.S. from reading your post, the initial issue does sound like it was the phone itself, you should have gotten something else, and don't bother with the 3d unless you can return it, i'm using it now, low signal strength, i would recommend the Photon (also own) the signal strength and radios in that phone are the strongest i've ever seen in any phone out there
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I dont suppose seeing how you work for them you can help me? I traded my phone away to a guy on craigslist(hope he lost my number LOL) but would love my upgrade back..
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I dont suppose seeing how you work for them you can help me? I traded my phone away to a guy on craigslist(hope he lost my number LOL) but would love my upgrade back..
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i was just saying, so you'll know i can really relate to your problem and i'm not just rambling with non sense, as far as the upgrade....i would have talked the phone with them for a while before giving up so easily
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Wow, they change their terms.
http://www.sprint.com/landings/returns/
Was 30 in PA. Not sure what it is anymore.
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and that's been in effect for a couple months now actually :/ it sucks
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Sprint is great, I was 6 months into a 2 year contract and had 1 upgrade for my Airave line. I used that on the HTC Evo. I got on the phone with Sprint and asked them about my upgrade status for the 5 phone lines and was told that it was due in Oct 2012. I asked for early upgrades, they gave it to me! I picked up 3 heros and thinking of 2 other phones to get.
GO SPRINT!!!!!
oh but my contract was renewed for another 2 years but its ok!
Yeeaaa I have a hard time believing this one. First, airave upgrades dont exist. Second, upgrades are every 22 months besides your premier line (if you have a plan that gives you premier status) meaning by what you wrote 4 of your lines were upgraded on Dec 2010 and I don't think we are there yet
gg what do I have to gain by lying? Oh and I meant Oct 2011 hehe.
And btw Airave upgrades do exist. It might not be necessarily upgrading the Airave unit but there is still an upgrade credit. I used that to get my Evo and the Sprint rep simply swapped it out to my true phone line.
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gg what do I have to gain by lying? Oh and I meant Oct 2011 hehe.
And btw Airave upgrades do exist. It might not be necessarily upgrading the Airave unit but there is still an upgrade credit. I used that to get my Evo and the Sprint rep simply swapped it out to my true phone line.
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Guarantee you that idiot got fired.
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Guarantee you that idiot got fired.
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yeah i'm pretty sure she did. she promised me it in writing so everytime i talked back to sprint i just referred to the note ID. they couldn't do anything and said they had to honor it. lollll
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yeah i'm pretty sure she did. she promised me it in writing so everytime i talked back to sprint i just referred to the note ID. they couldn't do anything and said they had to honor it. lollll
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I sure hope that gal didn't just ruin her life over a cell phone......
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I sure hope that gal didn't just ruin her life over a cell phone......
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If getting fired from Sprint ruins your life, you had a ****ty life to begin with. No job makes a life.
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yeah i'm pretty sure she did. she promised me it in writing so everytime i talked back to sprint i just referred to the note ID. they couldn't do anything and said they had to honor it. lollll
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Actually its fully legit to do it. We do it at best buy constantly. I upgraded my sisters line with her airave and Im using my airave upgrade for the next android. All your doing is using the airaves upgrade and not activating it and swapping it to your main line. This puts your airave on a 2 year contract.
Nobody gets fired, its a screw up in sprints system that theyre too lazy to fix.
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Actually its fully legit to do it. We do it at best buy constantly. I upgraded my sisters line with her airave and Im using my airave upgrade for the next android. All your doing is using the airaves upgrade and not activating it and swapping it to your main line. This puts your airave on a 2 year contract.
Nobody gets fired, its a screw up in sprints system that theyre too lazy to fix.
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And that is the reason all retention departments hate best buy/radioshack, cause u fools **** up accounts.
You aren't getting any evo on an early upgrade. you have to wait until your truly due for one. i tired this already, WON'T happen. i just happened to find a sucker on craigslist that traded me his new evo for a used hero + $150 cash.
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You aren't getting any evo on an early upgrade. you have to wait until your truly due for one. i tired this already, WON'T happen. i just happened to find a sucker on craigslist that traded me his new evo for a used hero + $150 cash.
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Early upgrades are possible on extremely rare occasions. I gave 2 last week for the evo for the same customer. My only customer to get one since the phone was released.
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Early upgrades are possible on extremely rare occasions. I gave 2 last week for the evo for the same customer. My only customer to get one since the phone was released.
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hey I'm curious. Do you mind me asking on what grounds did you give the early upgrade? Oh and is it possible to buy a phone out of contract at full price without activating it in store? I tried to do that today and it was annoying as the rep kept insisting I had to have it activated before I walked out.
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hey I'm curious. Do you mind me asking on what grounds did you give the early upgrade? Oh and is it possible to buy a phone out of contract at full price without activating it in store? I tried to do that today and it was annoying as the rep kept insisting I had to have it activated before I walked out.
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Can't say why and yes you can buy a phone for full price no questions asked
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If getting fired from Sprint ruins your life, you had a ****ty life to begin with. No job makes a life.
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Well, in this economy, any job is a good job. Very hard finding work these days and its just getting worse.....You can't have much of a life without a job!!!
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And that is the reason all retention departments hate best buy/radioshack, cause u fools **** up accounts.
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Best part...one of your coworkers told me how and what to do. Before that "fool" opened his mouth we refused to do it. Then that "fool" told us it was completely ok to do and until you guys changed the system it wouldnt be an issue.
Next time I'd refrain on pointing fingers at us "fools" before checking what your "fools" are doing. Ive had far more f-ups from Sprint reps like yourself than I have from Best Buy account reps. Your the "fools" who had to halt the samsung moment cl14 upgrades because your techs couldnt figure out how to run the file. We were loading them the minute they hit the site.
Btw, in regards to your "Airave upgrades dont exist"
Yea... The system shows it, you can't use it and yes best buy/radioshack **** up all accounts from opening lines when customers were wanting to upgrade to using airave lines as upgrades. The airave, though it is now seen in the system as a line can not be used as a line to upgrade. Also please stop telling customers activation is free and tell them if they switch the phone to another line within 30 days they lose the rebate.
But of course one retard opens his mouth, the rest follow. If I show u a glitch in the system to give free evos will u use it too? Cause I know one. Just cause u can do something doesnt mean its allowed and then retention has to fix all ur **** ups. No update was evrr halted either, find a new source.
We have 6 lines and they all got upgraded 5 months ago at the same time, last night 3 of them could be upgraded so we upgraded 2 of them to the EVO for $199
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I think it's safe to say we can ALL forget about upgrading a Hero to an Epic4g even a single day before October 10, and the only way we can even fantasize about an Evo a couple of weeks early is if Sprint ordered a staggeringly HUGE quantity of them only to have demand for it completely collapse once the Epic4g arrives. I really don't see that happening, either.(*)
(*)In fact, I personally think that's why there's an Evo shortage right now. Sprint knows demand for the Evo is at least partly driven by the fact that right now, it's their ONLY 4G android phone. They almost certainly have an agreement with HTC to promote the Evo exclusively for some minimum number of days, shortage or not. Thus, they're being extremely conservative about replenishing their Evo inventory only to levels they know can be sustained by ongoing new sales once the Epic4g is out as well. They don't want to end up in a situation where stores have a mountain of Evos piled floor to ceiling and a 6-week backlog for Epic4g.
From a PR standpoint, Sprint's ideal scenario would be to have every Sprint store be sold out of one or the other for at least a couple of days each week... but have enough in stock at SOME Sprint store within 50 miles to ensure that anyone (with a car) who walks through the door and is determined to have one *today* can go to bed happy that night, but will also tell everyone that they're so popular, they're sold out *almost* (but not quite) everywhere.
If you have any line that is elgib. for an upgrade and you upgrade on that line and switch it to your line then you lose your rebate.
If you were going to do this then you would have to wait until the rebate has been processed and then switch the lines so...
...is the best! That is all.
Sir, I'm afraid what you just said was a lie.
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Sir, I'm afraid what you just said was a lie.
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I BIG FAT BOLD FACE LIE. he must be Sprint Employee lol
yea i must say sprint by far has the worst customer service out of all carriers and ive dealt wit them all...by far the best is tmobile without a doubt
I've had awesome customer service from sprint. I always treat purple with respect and kindness and receive the same. If ur rude to the reps then they will not want to help u. They also just recently moved my one year premier upgrade a month early for me so I could get the epic
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(this isnt aimed at anyone... I re-read it and it sounds like I am trying to call people out, and I am not lol) if I went to your work at mcdonalds and was a **** about not wanting salt on my fries, would you smile and turn the other cheek and fix it? Or would you spit in my food? I will be the first to admit, if you are nice and respectful, I will bend over backwards to help you out. If you are a bag o' douche, then you can suck it. Social engineering makes the world go 'round.
When calling customer care for help on something, which one of these will work better?
"So, I love (like, enjoy, whatever) my sprint service, I have never had any issues with my account, but my phone is starting to act up. I have insurance, and know I can pay $100 thru assurion to get a new (refurbished) device. I know my upgrade isnt until november, but is it possible to move up my upgrade?"
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"I saw online you moved up someone elses upgrade by a month, and I demand the same thing or I will have to talk to your supervisor! I have had sprint service for 22 months and will cancel and tell everyone I know to cancel also if you dont do this. My uncle knows Dan Hesse and will make sure you get fired also."
I never have had any issues with getting my upgrades early. Got the epic for free even
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I've had awesome customer service from sprint. I always treat purple with respect and kindness and receive the same. If ur rude to the reps then they will not want to help u. They also just recently moved my one year premier upgrade a month early for me so I could get the epic
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Personally I treat all colors with respect. I am a bit partial to blue but purple deserves respect as well as the rest of the colors of the rainbow. Pardon the interruption, I had some teeth pulled today and the vico's are helping a bit too much...
I've had great customer service as well, but why in the heck is this in the dev forum????
i was hoping that no one responded to this stupid thread so it can get lost on page 2 somewhere. this has nothing to do with android development. oh well, the op got what he/she wanted......attention.
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i was hoping that no one responded to this stupid thread so it can get lost on page 2 somewhere. this has nothing to do with android development. oh well, the op got what he/she wanted......attention.
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not really , I was just happy that sprint credited me for my discounts on my remaining lines, and I forgot that I was in the dev section...
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Personally I treat all colors with respect. I am a bit partial to blue but purple deserves respect as well as the rest of the colors of the rainbow. Pardon the interruption, I had some teeth pulled today and the vico's are helping a bit too much...
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Omg that was hella funny. Well thats swype for ya.
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How did u get the epic for free?
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Call vzw and tell me how you feel sprint is by far the best. That is all
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I'm not quite as pleased with the customer service here as I was with vzw personally. I recently had a frustrating few days with them as I was one of the unlucky few to receive an epic with the malfunctioning capacitive buttons. Long story short they wouldn't swap me out for a new one, then I was talked down to for returning the malfunctioning device by the sales staff saying I was costing her a sale. I returned it and decided to just get another from best buy....payed a little extra but the device works great...just wish it wouldn't have been such an ordeal to get here
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As a customer service manager for 14 years I am particularly sensitive to how I am treated by other companies. I have a unique view from both sides of the fence so I am never overly judgmental or expect the world from anyone on the other end of the phone.
That being said, I have NEVER in my entire life been treated the way that sprint treated me as a brand new customer of only 2 1/2 months.
I switched to sprint because T-mobile coverage in my area was less than acceptable. Ever since switching I have been fighting with them over promises made, bills messed up, unauthorized billing, you name it. Not once have I ever spoken with anybody from sprint that has given me the impression that they care one bit for me as a customer.
The people they hire to man their phones could really care less whether you stay with sprint or not. Not even their escalation managers want to take any time to try and solve your problem.
The reps in the official stores are no better. Just as soon as they found out that I bought my epic from a "third party store" and not an official sprint corporate store they treated me like a red headed step child. Oh, I apologize that I didn't hunt down one of the 3 official sprint stores in Utah. The damn store had ONLY large yellow sprint decals all over the windows and sign. How the hell was I suppose to know that it wasn't an "official" sprint corporate store?
I made a HUGE mistake in switching to Sprint and the next two years can't come fast enough so that I can get out of my contract now.
It's also interesting to google "worst customer service". You will find Sprint at the top of every list.
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As a customer service manager for 14 years I am particularly sensitive to how I am treated by other companies. I have a unique view from both sides of the fence so I am never overly judgmental or expect the world from anyone on the other end of the phone.
That being said, I have NEVER in my entire life been treated the way that sprint treated me as a brand new customer of only 2 1/2 months.
I switched to sprint because T-mobile coverage in my area was less than acceptable. Ever since switching I have been fighting with them over promises made, bills messed up, unauthorized billing, you name it. Not once have I ever spoken with anybody from sprint that has given me the impression that they care one bit for me as a customer.
The people they hire to man their phones could really care less whether you stay with sprint or not. Not even their escalation managers want to take any time to try and solve your problem.
The reps in the official stores are no better. Just as soon as they found out that I bought my epic from a "third party store" and not an official sprint corporate store they treated me like a red headed step child. Oh, I apologize that I didn't hunt down one of the 3 official sprint stores in Utah. The damn store had ONLY large yellow sprint decals all over the windows and sign. How the hell was I suppose to know that it wasn't an "official" sprint corporate store?
I made a HUGE mistake in switching to Sprint and the next two years can't come fast enough so that I can get out of my contract now.
It's also interesting to google "worst customer service". You will find Sprint at the top of every list.
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Ive been with them for 8 years the last 2 have shown great improvement.
In 2008 Sprint received a score of 56, AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon all received scores above 70. Sprint received a 70 rating this year, a 14-point improvement which is pretty amazing really.
Your Google suggestion is very misleading with much of the sprint Worst CS being from prior years.
The current ratings are much better.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/26293/
Anyway Sprint CS P me off at times...so does Cox cable internet , Directv , Samsung & a few others.
That's life
Hmm, i wouldn't know whether they are the best or the worst because i really don't know. The beauty of my Sprint service is that it works well enough that i don't call customer service.
sling said:
Ive been with them for 8 years the last 2 have shown great improvement.
In 2008 Sprint received a score of 56, AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon all received scores above 70. Sprint received a 70 rating this year, a 14-point improvement which is pretty amazing really.
Your Google suggestion is very misleading with much of the sprint Worst CS being from prior years.
The current ratings are much better.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/26293/
Anyway Sprint CS P me off at times...so does Cox cable internet , Directv , Samsung & a few others.
That's life
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How is it misleading? The very first google result is MSN's Customer Service Hall of Shame with Sprint at the top in 2007 and jumping only three spots to number 4 from 2007 - 2010.
2007 - 1st
2008 - 3rd
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 4th
You consider 4th worst company for customer service an improvement? When they disappear from that list altogether then I'll consider it an improvement. And before you start throwing this "well they're a big company" BS my way, consider that there are very large successful companies that never make this list.
Also that link you provided only compares their customer service with other wireless carriers. The MSN list is much more comprehensive.
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How is it misleading? The very first google result is MSN's Customer Service Hall of Shame with Sprint at the top in 2007 and jumping only three spots to number 4 from 2007 - 2010.
2007 - 1st
2008 - 3rd
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 4th
You consider 4th worst company for customer service an improvement? When they disappear from that list altogether then I'll consider it an improvement. And before you start throwing this "well they're a big company" BS my way, consider that there are very large successful companies that never make this list.
Also that link you provided only compares their customer service with other wireless carriers. The MSN list is much more comprehensive.
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Apples to oranges.
Of course you want to compare wireless service to other wireless service. What are you going to do? Dump your Sprint phone and buy a toaster because Litton Toasters customer service is better?
Oh, and please provide a link. I'd like to actually read what you're reading and, as funny as it is to do, not compare phone CS to toaster CS.
Thanks.
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How is it misleading? The very first google result is MSN's Customer Service Hall of Shame with Sprint at the top in 2007 and jumping only three spots to number 4 from 2007 - 2010.
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Ya I consider that improvement.
The 14% customer satisfaction increase in 2009 - 2010 is pretty amazing edging very close to their competition within 5%
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When they disappear from that list altogether then I'll consider it an improvement. And before you start throwing this "well they're a big company" BS my way, consider that there are very large successful companies that never make this list.
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Relax Im not making excuses for them.
I am stating that their making major improvements you disagree.
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na If in the market for cell phone I would compare carrier CS ratings , Prices & my local coverage.
Those factors made my decision easy.
My Coverage is better then the others , I save about 40.00 a month and get more.
I have no need to call CS everyday....maybe twice a year if headaches come from it oh well its worth great coverage & major savings.
Does that make sense to you?
I'm trying to buy a phone to replace my wife's POS Samsung Moment. She wants the Evo, so I called Sprint a few weeks ago to order her one. I was prepared to pay full price for the Evo since neither myself nor my wife is due for an upgrade, but the sales rep on the phone took a look at my lines (I have 4 phones plus a "line" for my Airave) and told me that she was going to upgrade me based on the Airave upgrade eligibility. Dumb me, I actually argued with her and told her that it wasn't a phone, and she acknowledged it but said that it would save me money and make me a happy customer. Hey - whatever she can do, that's great, so let's jump on that! Bad news - they were out of stock of the Evo AND the Evo Shift, and I flat refused to get her the Epic (I am not a fan of Sprint's CURRENT Samsung offerings...but would love to look at the Nexus S.)
On a Friday afternoon trip, she decided she'd had enough of her phone locking up, so she wanted to stop by the Sprint store. After waiting in there for about an hour and a half (I expect crap service there, and am never disappointed...) the sales rep brought us out a white Evo (what she really wanted.) However, when we explained what the Sprint sales rep on the phone was going to do, he acknowledged that he HAD done that before, but he'd gotten into trouble for it. He was adamant that he wasn't going to do it for us, and while I was perturbed, I wasn't going to ask him to jeopardize his job. He told me that the reps on the phone shouldn't have offered either.
So who was right? I admit it sounds fishy to try and skirt the prices by "upgrading" an Airave, but if the phone rep wasn't so quick to offer to do it, I'd be calling shenanigans. I don't *want* to pay full price, but if I can save $150, I'd be stupid not to.
We didn't buy it - I'm going to try calling back and getting the Nexus S when it's released and see if I can get the same offer.
I don't think they are supposed to upgrade an Airave line. If they do then that probably would mean you'd have to send in the Airave and be stuck with that number as an additional line.
You can do one of two things.
1. Ask for the manager, listen to what he/she tells you, then ask for like an area or district manager about the data lockup with the Moment. Also remind them that it's also illegal against the FCC for any type of phone in service or not to not be able to dial out to an emergency number such as 911, and when the lockup starts on the Moment, you can't call out at all.
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2. With Sprint, if you've had your phone replaced three times due to a hardware or software issue you've been having then Sprint offers you an early upgrade.
With both of these Sprint will offer you an early upgrade, but most likely it will not be an Evo, or they will offer you a discount on some phones to upgrade to.
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You can do one of two things.
1. Ask for the manager, listen to what he/she tells you, then ask for like an area or district manager about the data lockup with the Moment. Also remind them that it's also illegal against the FCC for any type of phone in service or not to not be able to dial out to an emergency number such as 911, and when the lockup starts on the Moment, you can't call out at all.
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2. With Sprint, if you've had your phone replaced three times due to a hardware or software issue you've been having then Sprint offers you an early upgrade.
With both of these Sprint will offer you an early upgrade, but most likely it will not be an Evo, or they will offer you a discount on some phones to upgrade to.
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You mentioned lockup - I've been lazy and haven't researched her issue, but that's EXACTLY the problem...the phone just freezes. Can you provide any link to information regarding that? It's well out of warranty and this would be the first time we're reporting this, unfortunately.
Sprint had made it very clear to all reps not to use the upgrade on the Airave line. Many people have done it in the past but in no way should they be doing so now, it does put your job on the line believe it or not.
And as far as what the guy above said, it's not that easy.
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Sprint had made it very clear to all reps not to use the upgrade on the Airave line. Many people have done it in the past but in no way should they be doing so now, it does put your job on the line believe it or not.
And as far as what the guy above said, it's not that easy.
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I have no reason to believe it doesn't. Perhaps I just talked to someone who didn't care
So why does the airave show the upgrade eligibility? If it can't/isn't supposed to be used, then take that visibility away from the customer. That would simplify things greatly, and no one would be having this discussion in the first place.
Once i got my airvana my account did the same thing. My wife should be available for the 150 but it switched to the airvana now. I dont know whats going to happen when she goes in for the upgrade either.
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I have no reason to believe it doesn't. Perhaps I just talked to someone who didn't care
So why does the airave show the upgrade eligibility? If it can't/isn't supposed to be used, then take that visibility away from the customer. That would simplify things greatly, and no one would be having this discussion in the first place.
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Because the system shows it as a line, simple as that. Your car shows it can go 150mph, do you use it?
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fireburster said:
Once i got my airvana my account did the same thing. My wife should be available for the 150 but it switched to the airvana now. I dont know whats going to happen when she goes in for the upgrade either.
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Call in and have it fixed, assuming she didn't lose her upgrade because of the premier program change.
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Because the system shows it as a line, simple as that. Your car shows it can go 150mph, do you use it?
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Well, *MY* car doesn't show 150, but if I need to use it, I could
Just playing devil's advocate here - not disagreeing. I understand, just being argumentative with your example...
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Well, *MY* car doesn't show 150, but if I need to use it, I could
Just playing devil's advocate here - not disagreeing. I understand, just being argumentative with your example...
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Hah it's cool, it's a forum. Theres no way for Sprint to remove an upgrade from a line and since the airave shows as an additional line it has an upgrade. Bugs that cost more to fix then leave alone and educate reps about I guess.
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Hah it's cool, it's a forum. Theres no way for Sprint to remove an upgrade from a line and since the airave shows as an additional line it has an upgrade. Bugs that cost more to fix then leave alone and educate reps about I guess.
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LOL - I'm a SME/Senior Support tech for a large software company - you're preaching to the choir about bugs that cost too much to fix - or development WON'T fix
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LOL - I'm a SME/Senior Support tech for a large software company - you're preaching to the choir about bugs that cost too much to fix - or development WON'T fix
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Lol I had no idea but at least you understand
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Can't you get around this by just going into Bestbuy, RS, or wirefly, then telling them you want to upgrade the 'airave number', it'll show up qualifying as a upgrade, then you buy the phone for the upgrade price (usually the same as a new customer), and walk out, then switch your airave back to that number in a day or two via the sprint site or calling sprint.
Going to try this, since we have 3 lines, all go on a $150 discount (saving them for the EVO 3D) and an airave with a $150 discount, too, which I want to use now on a Nexus S 4G.
Yeah, yeah, this is kind of unfair and cheating the system, but it's Sprint's fault/error/issue, and I'm pissed that I've been getting 0 - 150k from the tower by my house for 5 months now and they don't seem to care. 4G is like 500k tops, unless you're standing across the street from the tower, then it's 2k, which is barely faster than 3G's optimal speed. :|
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Can't you get around this by just going into Bestbuy, RS, or wirefly, then telling them you want to upgrade the 'airave number', it'll show up qualifying as a upgrade, then you buy the phone for the upgrade price (usually the same as a new customer), and walk out, then switch your airave back to that number in a day or two via the sprint site or calling sprint.
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i would like to know if this is something doable by going through 3rd party.
AT&T started throttling my data this afternoon. I kindy went up to my local AT&T store and asked to be put on the phone with customer service. Their phone was tied up so I just ended up using my cellphone and leaving it on speaker phone to amuse the customers and make the staff look ****ty. The employees thought i had no chance but little did they know I remember my contracts and agreements class from college. I never signed a contract with AT&T since i bought my own phone in and I never upgraded or even bought a phone through them. I explained to the customer rep that I am following the terms of the original plan that was provided to me. I explained to them that as long as I have not put a signature on any sort of agreement altering my account then you guys can't legally alter it without consent from me. They tried to say they could and I told think twice before you make your company look really uneducated. Then I told the lady I would like to speak to your supervisor. Oh i got transferred 12 times until this cocky idiot came on the phone. This guy tried to be a smart one when i was explaining the law to him. He said, "The company doesn't give a damn about a law." Then i said sir your conversation is being recorded on my phone as well as your company phone." He said "excuse me?" I said "you heard me fool. You are being recorded and i got you on speaker phone with about 35 people listening and taking notes." He thought i was lying so me being in the bad mood i was in i gathered 10 people around my phone and let them say something to him. The little girl sad "bad man!" She was so adorable. This elderly lady cancelled her service and told the man to go burn in hell. The rest just laughed. After I the elderly lady left went to the counter the guy was kissing butt for real. He said he will see what he can do for me. I told him I can just send Jim a text. He said Jim who. I said Jim Hood our state attorney general. He put me on hold and 5 minutes later he came back saying that i was correct and your data will be fully restored in 10 minutes. I told him we can wait together then. 5 minutes later i did a speed test and I got 6.8 mbs down and 1.58 mbs up. After that i told him i am glad that this was resolved but I will save the conversation for just encase this happens again. He said have a nice day and thanks for being an at&t customer. I said whatever and hung up. The customers actually clapped and the staff looked like someone died. I'm on cloud 9 at the moment. I think I should have went to law school instead getting into Networking and Computers.
Niceeeee
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I just print screened this original post because I am dying of laughter.
Without going too far in-depth, you were wrong. According to you, you were under no contractual agreements with AT&T, therefore, neither were they. Ergo they can change the terms of service at any point and you can decide to cease payment at any point. Both parties can do these actions sans penalty because, according to you, there are no contracts in effect.
You did not beat AT&T. They just got tired of you, which is okay.
To all others: Do not do this. AT&T will put you on hold and laugh at you. Chances of this working for anyone else are slim.
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I just print screened this original post because I am dying of laughter.
Without going too far in-depth, you were wrong. According to you, you were under no contractual agreements with AT&T, therefore, neither were they. Ergo they can change the terms of service at any point and you can decide to cease payment at any point. Both parties can do these actions sans penalty because, according to you, there are no contracts in effect.
You did not beat AT&T. They just got tired of you, which is okay.
To all others: Do not do this. AT&T will put you on hold and laugh at you. Chances of this working for anyone else are slim.
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Technically I was. They was not providing the service that I was supposed to get according to their terms. It was funny though. Most people who renew their contract actually agree to the shady terms. I was really mad because I didn't get a warning before I got throttled. And I got throttled at 3.022 gb according to the idiot on the phone. I think the rep using profanity in front of a bunch of customers got my data back on track to be honest. I am glad I used my cellphone to be honest. I was sure going to give CNN my conversation for real. I have to thanks the HTC developers for including the call recorder app in their sense roms. I think it is the RCMix rom.
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Technically I was. They was not providing the service that I was supposed to get according to their terms. It was funny though. Most people who renew their contract actually agree to the shady terms. I was really mad because I didn't get a warning before I got throttled. And I got throttled at 3.022 gb according to the idiot on the phone. I think the rep using profanity in front of a bunch of customers got my data back on track to be honest. I am glad I used my cellphone to be honest. I was sure going to give CNN my conversation for real. I have to thanks the HTC developers for including the call recorder app in their sense roms. I think it is the RCMix rom.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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Yes I did. I still have the original brochure from 2006. Those are the terms that are agreed upon. I'm sure it can be googled. The terms of the data back then basically said they can cut you off because overwhelming activity. If I was crazy and used 30gb like some customers then I wouldn't even worry about them cutting me off. They didn't follow their terms and the rep cursed during a service call. What more defense could you provide for AT&T? If you want to get down to the core of throttling it is illegal to throttle unless the service is selected for certain speeds such as what the home internet providers do. I think when some attorney general gets free time on their hands they will go after all of these mobile phone providers and penalize them heavily. Sprint, and T-Mobile are the only smart major national providers so far that are making sure that they avoid trouble in the future by being upfront about their data.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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The thing you don't understand is that it is classified as a product when their is no contract. The terms is what was written in 2006. A product and a service are 2 different things. That's why you see the terms prepaid service and postpaid service. They don't use product a often any more.
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OH MAN, YES! Dude you Rock! I would have loved to see this.
I love seeing AT&T get kicked in the nuts.
This throttle sh!t p!sses me off. I had a very nice rep use a dead IMEI so he could switch my grandfathered unlimited plan, which now gets throttled at 3GB's, becasue ATT refarmed the extra 2Gigs to Simple Mobile,etc.; put me on the LTE plan so I can get 5GBs which is about what I use. I would have bought an LTE device except we probably wont have LTE for another few years! Not to mention the fact Im using a malyasian Galaxy tab plus 7.0 for voice calls and data, because I dont like being force fed the bloated recycled crap options in their stores.
This is so EPIC WIN. I understand networks are changing and much more data is being used these days, but at least let us original unlmited people use a fair amount..
best read all day!
I would happily settle for a sneaky way to unthrottle oursleves, but they are doing it server side, so I dont think we will have much luck.
I will check with my ex but I'm sure that is the reason why. She is an attorney and she normally helps draw up contracts for local entertainers.
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Check out my thread. I love messing with AT&T!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25834280#post25834280
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Yes I did. I still have the original brochure from 2006. Those are the terms that are agreed upon. I'm sure it can be googled. The terms of the data back then basically said they can cut you off because overwhelming activity. If I was crazy and used 30gb like some customers then I wouldn't even worry about them cutting me off. They didn't follow their terms and the rep cursed during a service call. What more defense could you provide for AT&T? If you want to get down to the core of throttling it is illegal to throttle unless the service is selected for certain speeds such as what the home internet providers do. I think when some attorney general gets free time on their hands they will go after all of these mobile phone providers and penalize them heavily. Sprint, and T-Mobile are the only smart major national providers so far that are making sure that they avoid trouble in the future by being upfront about their data.
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The thing you don't understand is that it is classified as a product when their is no contract. The terms is what was written in 2006. A product and a service are 2 different things. That's why you see the terms prepaid service and postpaid service. They don't use product a often any more.
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Send me the contract when you have an opportunity. I am NOT distributing legal advice, however, I am speaking from the perspective of an individual who is one term from graduating from a T14 Law School. I am suggesting so as you are misleading individuals.
A SERVICE cannot be classified as a PRODUCT in any legally binding terms or agreements (it can, but is unenforceable). Regardless, that is moot as you hold no legally binding terms nor agreements with AT&T. You are still ignoring my previous comment that AT&T can shut off your service tomorrow because there are no legally binding agreements between the two parties. AT&T can throttle you anytime they would like and you can stop paying them anytime you would like as neither of you are constrained contractually.
Very nice. My mom has them for DSL and now she got a cell phone through them. I don't understand it but they suck. Good work man.
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gasolara2002 said:
AT&T started throttling my data this afternoon. I kindy went up to my local AT&T store and asked to be put on the phone with customer service. Their phone was tied up so I just ended up using my cellphone and leaving it on speaker phone to amuse the customers and make the staff look ****ty. The employees thought i had no chance but little did they know I remember my contracts and agreements class from college. I never signed a contract with AT&T since i bought my own phone in and I never upgraded or even bought a phone through them. I explained to the customer rep that I am following the terms of the original plan that was provided to me. I explained to them that as long as I have not put a signature on any sort of agreement altering my account then you guys can't legally alter it without consent from me. They tried to say they could and I told think twice before you make your company look really uneducated. Then I told the lady I would like to speak to your supervisor. Oh i got transferred 12 times until this cocky idiot came on the phone. This guy tried to be a smart one when i was explaining the law to him. He said, "The company doesn't give a damn about a law." Then i said sir your conversation is being recorded on my phone as well as your company phone." He said "excuse me?" I said "you heard me fool. You are being recorded and i got you on speaker phone with about 35 people listening and taking notes." He thought i was lying so me being in the bad mood i was in i gathered 10 people around my phone and let them say something to him. The little girl sad "bad man!" She was so adorable. This elderly lady cancelled her service and told the man to go burn in hell. The rest just laughed. After I the elderly lady left went to the counter the guy was kissing butt for real. He said he will see what he can do for me. I told him I can just send Jim a text. He said Jim who. I said Jim Hood our state attorney general. He put me on hold and 5 minutes later he came back saying that i was correct and your data will be fully restored in 10 minutes. I told him we can wait together then. 5 minutes later i did a speed test and I got 6.8 mbs down and 1.58 mbs up. After that i told him i am glad that this was resolved but I will save the conversation for just encase this happens again. He said have a nice day and thanks for being an at&t customer. I said whatever and hung up. The customers actually clapped and the staff looked like someone died. I'm on cloud 9 at the moment. I think I should have went to law school instead getting into Networking and Computers.
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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Brilliant.
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Send me the contract when you have an opportunity. I am NOT distributing legal advice, however, I am speaking from the perspective of an individual who is one term from graduating from a T14 Law School. I am suggesting so as you are misleading individuals.
A SERVICE cannot be classified as a PRODUCT in any legally binding terms or agreements (it can, but is unenforceable). Regardless, that is moot as you hold no legally binding terms nor agreements with AT&T. You are still ignoring my previous comment that AT&T can shut off your service tomorrow because there are no legally binding agreements between the two parties. AT&T can throttle you anytime they would like and you can stop paying them anytime you would like as neither of you are constrained contractually.
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I got it. My ex has been an attorney for 4 years so I take what you say with good vision but experience is supreme. I was partially wrong in my argument. According to her the basis of it is consumer protection laws and AT&T's own terms. My plan which is not a contract but it is a post paid plan. Since I have never put a signature to give consent to any changes I am only held accountable for what is on the brochure for 2006. The brochure which you can find online clearly states that the provider can cut my phone off if I abuse the network in anyway. Throttling is not introduced in 2006 buddy. No one can be held accountable for a contract they never seen let alone never signed. AT&T would have to completely shutdown my phone and release me from the usage of their network according to the brochure. It can be found on google if you are looking for it. As far as misleading the community I did explain but I think most of them might understand it now. So I apologize for not clearly explaining why I can't get throttled. If you are upset because you may have gotten messed over by AT&T or you may have a part time job with them then all I can say is get over it. You are the only sore one out of the bunch.
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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Yup because I thought something was wrong until I switched to my inspire then I knew I was throttled. Yes I did go to the retail store because there is an order to do things and I have learned that in order to get your voice heard you have to make them hear you. Call me crazy but I have no time to play phone tag with anyone. You can sit back if you want to and let them control you at will but with me they are going to have to stick with what was on the brochure of plans they printed for customers to stare at.
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Brilliant.
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Thank You buddy
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Verizon I love u so much please just buy out at&t for us. And cool story
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Verizon I love u so much please just buy out at&t for us. And cool story
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I actually wish that could happen. I honestly would be with big red if their network wasn't mainly cdma. The voice coverage is the best in the business.
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gasolara2002 said:
Yup because I thought something was wrong until I switched to my inspire then I knew I was throttled. Yes I did go to the retail store because there is an order to do things and I have learned that in order to get your voice heard you have to make them hear you. Call me crazy but I have no time to play phone tag with anyone. You can sit back if you want to and let them control you at will but with me they are going to have to stick with what was on the brochure of plans they printed for customers to stare at.
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Haha, I don't have AT&T so I wouldn't really know about "letting them control you"
Basically, my Evo had finally came to an end after heating up multiple times and basically frying the processor etc. So, what did I do? Just like anyone that has a full upgrade and has seen the Evo4GLTE and Samsung Galaxy SIII commercials. I went to Sprint in search of my new S3. I traded my OGEVO and got $60 towards my bill on the new phone. Got home, everything was perfecto! Went to sleep, worked all the next day. I get a call from my friend asking if I had talked to my uncle. I said no, why? He said, someone tried to call my grandmother, pretended to be me and told her I along with my girlfriend and my best friend got arrested in Cancun Mexico... Asked for $4100 wire transfer immediately.
Basically long story short, the day after I traded in my Evo is when this happened, a Hispanic man helped me, my family said it was a hispanic man trying to sound like me. Does it sound like the Sprint guy to anyone else? I mean, I didn't erase anything on my phone, as I should have. There were only two people I text, and the only two people in my SMS box were the two people he said I got arrested with... My grandmother in my phone is under "Nan" so its obvious that's my grandmother. I put two and two together and basically came up with this odd hunch that its the Sprint guy who is trying to scam my family. My mother filed a police report but haven't gotten a phone call from the detectives... & assuming the detectives don't have time to worry about this. I have no other choices, but to be SOL.
Leave your comments and feedback's please. I am just curious to understand what others think about this problem I am trying to deal with.
I think..uh...I don't. I got bored halfway through the story
I believe it was him what a coinsidence that the people u had on your phone were the two people he named. Id go to the store and complain about it.
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I believe it was him what a coinsidence that the people u had on your phone were the two people he named. Id go to the store and complain about it.
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It was most certainly that person, because here are the rules sprint has with turning in old phones
Sprint's policy is to erase user data from all mobile devices collected through the company's takeback programs before they are reused.
Either two things happened
A) Sprint resold that phone the same day without erasing the data which holds them accountable
B) That person you turned it into was behind the scam and stole the information and re-used it ( I hope you had his name)
C) Even if that person had nothing to do with it, this incident occurred after handing the phones to sprint, so they could be responsible.
You need to GET BACK TO THE STORE ASAP and talk to the manager about this, and tell them to contact the authorities and open up an investigation. DO NOT WAIT
That is one bizarre chain of events! :screwy:
Yeah I know. I need to go back up there tomorrow after work. It was Monday of this week that I got the phone. Tuesday when I got off work is when thIs happened. I hope I'm not too late. Yes I remember his name, Edgar! It's all his fault!
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Nickitt said:
Yeah I know. I need to go back up there tomorrow after work. It was Monday of this week that I got the phone. Tuesday when I got off work is when thIs happened. I hope I'm not too late. Yes I remember his name, Edgar! It's all his fault!
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One more tip, DONT CONFRONT HIM YOURSELF!
Goto the manager and explain everything, then he will confront him
Its not too late, this guys an idiot its so easy to track his wire transfer, hes headed straight to jail!
Also if you can take your grandmother, maybe she can hear his voice and confirm its him on the scene.
Wow what a crazy story. It doesn't surprise me one bit.
I had a interesting one myself. I had to calk sprint one day an talked to a rep in Chicago.
We upgraded our rate plan which went very smooth. But my wife, usually pays pretty close attention to our bills happened to look at the account 2 days later. The rep I spoke with had activated 2 extra lines that day and sent them to herself.
It was such a HUGE ordeal to contest the new lines. But when I threatened legal responsibility for the actions taken by them, they removed them.
Do not be afraid of telling them you will take legal actions against them. I ended up completely getting out of my contract and now I'm with boost. Obviously same company but I couldn't beat their service in my area. Plus a hell of a lot cheaper bills.
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That's crazy bro, that happens a lot sadly.. not with sprint reps but with scam artist
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Something similar happened in the Atalnta area as well so could be coincidence......
An 80-year-old woman in unincorporated Stone Mountain reported to DeKalb County police that she was scammed out of $6,500 last week.
The victim told police that on Feb. 17 around 12 p.m. she received a call from the suspect, identifying himself as Robert Wells, who said he was with the American Embassy in Barcelona, Spain.
According to the report, the victim told police that the suspect said her grandson had been in an accident and that he had some unpaid medical bills that needed to paid before he could return to the United States.
The woman told police that the suspect transferred her to the grandson; it was later determined that someone was posing as her grandson, according to the report.
http://stonemountain.patch.com/arti...etting-duped-out-of-6-500-in-scam?logout=true