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Phone is choppy on AOSP roms...

I have had two Incs now, and the first one was super smooth on CM7. It always seemed a bit slower on Sense roms.
On my new phone its the exact opposite. CM7 runs, but when sliding between screens and scrolling it tends to be a bit choppy.
On MIUI when I scanned past the first 5 pages or so, it would become almost unresponsive. That was on a fresh install, I had a lot of apps and the last few pages were verrrry slow.
Someone on MIUI suggested I should change the HEAP size from 32 to 36. Is this a good fix?
Is there another option? I always ran stock cpu speed of chads kernel (992) or whatever it is. Don't really want to overclock much because of battery.

What launcher are you running? I had a similar problem on my inc, using Launcher Pro. Found that by disabling "use homescreen caches" under the memory usage settings made it super smooth, even with 7 screens full of icons and 1 or 2 widgets on most pages. It seems counter intuitive, but it makes a huge difference. Not sure about other launchers but I'd imagine they have similar settings somewhere.

[POLL] Do You Prefer Fast ROM or Nice Looking ROM?

Hey, i just want to make this quick. I am trying to build a ROM here for X8, and one thing that makes me really think is whether to make it faster or look nicer. The basic is simple, it's just like in PC, you want performance, sacrifice the looks, you want nice screen, you sacrifice speed. Well, everybody know our X8 is not so fast there, that's i wanted to know whether you guys like performance or graphic quality?
Just answer the poll above. Thanks
Regards,
aldee_s

Thanks for the voter

Many people appreciate a ROM that is fast, but also visually appealing, it's a very hard mix to get right, i myself am very minimalistic with my phone, anything unnecessary is uninstalled from my phone, i.e. maps, sound recorder etc. i never have games installed on my phone.
Beans.

for me,performance is on the first place.
but it'ill be better that we can set it up on the phone.
like a configuration menu to set between appereance and performance.
so we can choose it by our demand.

Fast.
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i need GDX with some improvement
i dont need more features, just need V10 all feature with fine work and smooth.. thths all

@beans
yes, its very hard, and im here trying to find the best setting, and maybe i could release rom with different configuration, but maximizing performance while retains good graphic is pretty hard.
@xcal
yeah, that is very confienient, but currently if you want it like that, you can use dithering feature, but the graphic wouldn't be as good as if we use maximum graphic configuration when we build the rom
@nigi
thanks
@ithunter
well, you can ask doixanh for it. i think doixanh rom is good enough, i score 409 in Quadrant (3D Test). while my built ROM is 403, not so far i guess, and my rom is using quality setting.
EDIT= oops, sorry, it seems my rom is configured with performance setting

i like fast ROM

i prefer fast rom, as customizing can be done by myself

azranashraf said:
i prefer fast rom, as customizing can be done by myself
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no, the graphic quality that i mean is the color that is displayed on the screen, currently, the ROMs out there is only using 16 bit color, even though our phone is capable showing 24 bit color.

I don't think that our phone display is capable of 24bpp. Look at surface flinger and its display hardware component. They use color depth information from the kernel's MSM framebuffer driver, not fix at 16bpp.
I think X8 screen is able to deal with 16bpp only.

really? but the datasheet that i found, X8 is using 16.7 million color display? isn't that 24/32 bpp?
EDIT= is there any way i can test colour banding in Eclair? well, in gingerbread its very easy, just look into Theme Chooser, and if we didn't use dithering, the colour banding is obvious.
EDIT2= dx, i just build the ROM with BOARD_NO_RGBX_8888 and that 16BPPSurface is disabled (commented), and i saw difference in color showed in my screen, really, even though i have partial colour blind, i still can find the difference.
EDIT3= the scrolling seems smoother, well the ROMs i use so far if the background color when you scroll is black, the text will become blurry when i scroll it, but now the blur is reasonable. or maybe its just my phone?
EDIT4= ah men, it makes the screen-off animation really slow, do you know what caused it? does using 32BPP is really have that much impact?

Ginger Dx is balanced... Its fast and it looks nice with sense 3.

Im prefer FAST Roms

it may start another war here but stock rom is by far the best as long as speed and appearence concerned for x8..

what do you mean by war?
the new stock ROM (2.1.1.A.0.6 or 2.1.1.C.0.0) sucks at 3D, even though the 2D score is better, its still very inconvinient to play HD games on those stock ROM. Also, the stock ROM doesn't have Electron Beam (Screen on/off) animation. I think some people like Gingerbread because of that feature, even dx likes it (stated in froyobread thread)

it seems my eyes is the problem, but there is a performance drop when i try to use 32 bpp.

fast. btw r u building CM7(Gingerbread)?

Fast ROM.
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aldee_s said:
it seems my eyes is the problem, but there is a performance drop when i try to use 32 bpp.
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There is a BIG performance drop when you use 32bpp over 16bpp. My eyes easily catch the fps difference. Your eyes are not having problem

Does touchwiz 4 have hardware acceleration?

Is the interface and browser smooth like the ipad? I ask because i tried out a couple of stock android tabs like the sony s and xoom at a store and their scrolling and zooming was quite laggy compared to the ipad, same goes for the browser.

The whole issue about the unsmooth scrolling is much better on 3.2 ROMs, like for example Task650 GalaxyTask ROM.
It isn't entirely gone, but I hope this will come with Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0.
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And to answer your questions: Yes, apart from occasional stuttering, it is as smooth as the iPad. Custom ROM/TouchScreenTune App do the trick for me.

Most of the apps in the system support H.W acceleration (browser , etc ) but the UI itself doesn't support it (it will come in ICS ) like the main launcher and the rotation and translations in the system that is why it shutters allot when using live wallpapers that is because the load is n the processor it self not on the gpu but ICS should fix all this issues, as i noticed even alpha builds are smoother than honeycomb

Android will always have more "stuttering" than the ipad. It's pretty simple to imagine why: on an ipad, all there is is a bunch of little standard sized icons. They don't display information, they don't change, they don't move or supply anything more than a link to open your app. They're just little cached images and so the whole interface moves smoothly because there's nothing to see, no work for the processor. Also, the screen is low resolution (1024x768), so there's less pixels to move around.
Android on the other hand has widgets that change and display information. They are not standardized and are often resizable. The whole interface is far more complex than the ipad. And the screen is higher resolution (1200x800) so there's more pixels.
So, sure, if "smooth scrolling of the homescreen" is your top priority, I'd say go with an ipad. It will always be simple and smooth. Emphasis on the simple.
If, on the other hand, you want customizability and information without having to open your apps, and a little jerkiness in the homescreen is OK with you, get an android tab.
Last bit: android allows you to install a different launcher (that's part of what I mean by "customizability"). ADW EX is very smooth...

Many of the roms on this forum can give you HW acceleration.

All i want is a silky smooth browser like the ipad/iphone. Tried android 2.2, 2.3,3.0,3,1,3.2, sense 3.0, sense 3.5, wp7, wp 7.5 NONE I REPEAT NONE can come close to the consistent smoothness of the safari browser. Is there a browser in the android market that can come close, cause i tried opera and its still not as smooth. Hope ICS will make it so.

Safari for ipad /iphone doesn't have flash so for sure it will be smoother , try opera mini it doesn't have flash so it shuld be faster

I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.

I'm also verry happy with the Launcher in Overcome

Fasty12 said:
All i want is a silky smooth browser like the ipad/iphone. Tried android 2.2, 2.3,3.0,3,1,3.2, sense 3.0, sense 3.5, wp7, wp 7.5 NONE I REPEAT NONE can come close to the consistent smoothness of the safari browser. Is there a browser in the android market that can come close, cause i tried opera and its still not as smooth. Hope ICS will make it so.
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I use dolphin HD with flash loading on demand. It is the best browser I've used on any device so far.
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otaku1984 said:
I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
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My experience is exactly the opposite. Touchwiz is so smooth and fluid in ways that regular honeycomb can't touch. The typind lag in the browser in stock honeycomb was enough to ruin the whole experience.
The only overcome rom I see is a touchwiz rom, where is this aosp overcome rom? I'll check it out on the off chance it is better than stock android.

otaku1984 said:
I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
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Where did you get Overcome AOSP ROM and that too 3.2.2
It is still TW. Right?

[static screen wallpaper] more smooth Sense!

hi all!
have been using my phone for half year thought scrolling between home screens on Sense 1.9/2.1 always seemed very sluggish and below average needs. never thought stock launcher of Sense 1.9/2.1 could be capable of disabling scrolling wallpaper nor thought home screens could be as smooth as in good custom launchers :cyclops:
using "static live wallpaper" app from market, there is option to use standard non-live wallpapers.home screen feels hell smooth above 20fps now, anyone tried ?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsIm5ldC52b3RlYnJpYW4uc3RhdGljd2FsbCJd

oxyg3n89 said:
hi all!
have been using my phone for half year thought scrolling between home screens on Sense 1.9/2.1 always seemed very sluggish and below average needs. never thought stock launcher of Sense 1.9/2.1 could be capable of disabling scrolling wallpaper nor thought home screens could be as smooth as in good custom launchers :cyclops:
using "static live wallpaper" app from market, there is option to use standard non-live wallpapers.home screen feels hell smooth above 20fps now, anyone tried ?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsIm5ldC52b3RlYnJpYW4uc3RhdGljd2FsbCJd
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First, your sense versions are off
Sense 1.9: Known as "old sense". Shipped with the desire, pull down lockscreen, plus button for personalize, etc.
Sense 2.1: First shipped on Desire HD, ported to desire. Ring lockscreen, updated music, email and calendar apps. Had the "palette"style personalize button, added 3D effect to rosie
Sense 1.9, or old sense is not laggy at all. Sense 2.1, yes it is on the desire (compared to the stock old sense)
There were sense 2.1 / 3.0 Hybrids (same framework, updated apps and effects) but NEVER a 1.9 / 2.1 hybrid.
To answer your question, never tried, but if you use a cynogen mod called "no wallpaper" (works great with amoled screens) the speed of the launcher increases, so I imagine a non scrolling wallpaper would achieve the same effect.

aren't an-droid and supernova 2.4.1 roms based on stock old sense 1.9? both roms suffer from low framerate by default( default sense launcher).not talking about cm mods or other launchers...main point is that wallpaper scrolling just degrade sense launcher graphics performance..too much probably and there is no option to disable that in settings menu like go laucher or adw ex..static wall app does his job here
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I've tried it. It is smooth but only for old versions of sense like 1.9 or 2.0. On 3.5 it is no difference [Runnymede AIO Stable]

as i remember some sense 3.5 roms have option for non scrolling wallpaper already.
but on 2.1+3.0 hybrids makes difference like on old sense

There's just no way to get rid of the lag

I know, it's a 2 year old phone with just 1GB RAM and TouchWiz on top of it.
I've spent the last 2 days trying a LOT of roms to try to make the phone feel faster, because I don't want to buy a new one. I really like this one. The camera is AMAZING, decent battery life, love blocking mode, etc. As a phone it works great: good speaker, strong vibration, great signal, etc.
But there's one single thing that makes this phone feel "old": the speed. Just the speed. If it were faster and more fluid then there would be absolutely no reason to upgrade to the new phones (except, well, maybe more RAM and battery).
Yesterday I tried like 15 AOSP roms: CM11, temasek, ultimaAOSP, NeatROMAOSP, Vanir, AOKP, SlimKat, etc.
Nothing. It's slightly faster, but the problem is the animations. They just look wrong all the time. There's frame drops everywhere. And bugs and crashes, so back to Samsung stock today. Tried another 10 samsung based roms. Nothing new. Speed is still the same and frame drops are still there...
I guess I'll have to end up buying a new phone, but definitely not a flagship. I'm looking at midrange phones that come with AOSP. Found one with 2GB RAM, 13Mpx camera, 2500 battery, 5 inch 720P IPS screen, microSD and dual SIM for 199$. Great price, and comes with 4.4 stock Android.
Tried the phone at the store the other day and it just made my SGS3 look like the midranger, and that with a MediaTek A7 1.3 quad core!

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Exactly. Well,animations are smooth on AOSP with right kernel,but still not as it should be. This phone sucks when it comes to UI performance.
Now I even got broken camera and media playback,too,after stressing it with every new test on my phone.
Well,probably this phone worked the best with 4.1.2. I think it's all about crappy processor,called exynos.
EDIT: Btw,you can try archidroid 1x with his boeffla presets,though. After all,it's not that bad.

I think you are just setting unrealistic expectations if none of those ROMS, without TouchWiz, were any good for you.

There is nothing crappy about the processor mate. your case is an isolated issue. If the archi ROM is not smooth for you then there is something wrong with your phone.
it's always wise to stick to ROMs and kernels which are built using proper sources.
Do not restore a massive amount of data soon after a flash. Let the ROM settle a bit. Trim your device memory once in a while.
Also a megawipe is recommended after so many flashes.
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I put Cyanogenmod CM11 on mine after updating to stock 4.3. It felt like a completely different phone and brought back the speed. It absolutely flies and battery time is double what it was on stock 4.3.

I tested alot of Roms but regading speed and batterylife i use Temasek with Yank kernel. No OC and de S3 flys.

Oh god, it's like reading a thread I could have written myself. I feel you, mate. Got the same damn frustations sometimes.
It seems that whichever ROM "camp" you choose, you're gonna have drawbacks. Tried so many different variants of TW-roms and i just feel they are all too slow and with lags.
Many of the AOSP-roms are quite fast (using ArchiDroid atm which is incredibly fast!) but then you get the problem of crappy camera, no Allshare, tethering issues, many games that have sound-issues and all those random bugs we all know about but try to live with
Perhaps the new Kitkat port can solve these issues but it seems there is a lot of work to be done still. Still I'm glad there's a community like XDA with such awesome people (Like Kryten who posted earlier ) who put the time into developing these things.. Or we would be stuck with even slower ROM's from Samsung.

Is there any way to get rid of it, or at least reduce it?

Install smart droid, further debloat, run greenify and boeffla, custom launcher and its quick, no lag

Even the s5 can't run without lag using Touchwiz.
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jennifercolemanme said:
Is there any way to get rid of it, or at least reduce it?
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Yes there is, activate Developer Options by tapping on the Build Number in About Phone. In there are 3 settings for animations. The 1st thing I do on every rom is decrease them to 25%. On CM11 and temaseks builds you have a slider which allows you to fine tune the settings instead of the picker which you find on other roms.
My personal experience is that OmniRom is just snappier than any of the others, even when I have a whole bunch of apps open, incoming calls get displayed almost instantly, the dialer and contacts open almost instantly. In my case of course. Everyone has their favourite rom/kernel combination. I have also had great success using Yank555's kernel with the default settings (which include a slight overclock with no noticeable battery drain.

So my temporarily solution is to completely disable the animations in developer settings.
It's a good solution, for now.
My combo right now is stock Samsung 4.3 debloated (many useless apps freezed. Other apps freezed also using Titanium Backup) with Boeffla kernel.
It gets annoying when animations aren't smooth and consistent, but I guess it's expected when Touchwiz is on top and just 1GB RAM.
Taking about RAM, this phone has almost no multitasking also! It's impossible to keep one Chrome or Internet tab open in the background while you do something else. When you go back to the Internet app it has to reload again.
And no custom rom can fix this either. I spent one week with AOSP Vanir rom and didn't had multitasking there either.
What I'm trying to say is that this phone has turned old faster than it should have, precisely because of a bad 4.3 update by Samsung and also just 1GB RAM.
And talking about speed and lag again, trust me, I've tied all the good roms available. It won't matter if you install a custom kernel. If you overclock the phone then battery will last even less than before, and it doesn't make a huge difference in speed animation and fluidity.
I'm sure AOSP roms like CM11 and others do work faster and more fluid in newest phones like G2, SGS4, HTC One, etc. It's because they have a better processor and 2GB RAM.
In the end I think it's the hardware that's to blame for the lag (and bad 4.3 update by Samsung too).
The phone is great otherwise. I love almost everything about it, like I previously said. Most times I can't believe how good the camera is, the screen is enough for me (no need for 1080P), size and weight is perfect, etc.
I would have preferred to own the US SGS3 model with it's 2GB RAM than the EU model. In the long run I think it's better.
But anyway, the lag is not huge, just annoying. And I only notice it when opening and closing apps.

Try entering development settings and change the animator duration scale to 0.5 the transition animation scale to 0.5 and the window animation scale to 0.5
It will make anything faster
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AlmoGS said:
Try entering development settings and change the animator duration scale to 0.5 the transition animation scale to 0.5 and the window animation scale to 0.5
It will make anything faster
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You don't understand it.
It doesn't matter the scale animation (just tried with 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 again), there's still frame drops everywhere.
It doesn't make anything "faster". It's even more annoying watching the frame drops at 0.25.
It's not a solution. There is NO solution to the animation frame drops, not even on custom roms...
Only "solution" is to turn animation scale completely to 0.

I have sgs3 intl and I had a lot of lags and frame drops and I switched to CM 11 nightly and it's became faster and no frame drop and it's like new.
What Android version do you use?
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if you want to have the same camera quality, i suggest you archidroid 1.7.16.
faster rom i ever tried

What lag? My S3 is smmmmoooooooth on CM11
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Sensamic said:
You don't understand it.
It doesn't matter the scale animation (just tried with 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 again), there's still frame drops everywhere.
It doesn't make anything "faster". It's even more annoying watching the frame drops at 0.25.
It's not a solution. There is NO solution to the animation frame drops, not even on custom roms...
Only "solution" is to turn animation scale completely to 0.
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Alright,my last bet will be to go on Archidroid stock based ROM,use it's own boeffla preset setting and turn animations to 1.5x. Animations will be smooth all around,only custom launcher is needed,because when opening or closing apps on touchwiz,it's still stuttery. I'm still using touchwiz launcher,though (lovely animations all around!).
I noticed 1.0x is the worst speed for animations on stock ROMs. I mean,with 1.0x,I notice some fps drops much more when opening a new windows with animations. Like it's too fast for CPU to tune right time for speed and animation and that makes it laggy. So it's all about wrong timing,as 0.5x also feels much more smoother,it's noticeable.
But the 1.5x setting compensates that. No more stuttery animations at all and it feels pretty beautiful. This was my last solution for stock touchwiz ROM,and I'm pretty happy. Try it yourself.
EDIT: Btw,if you also want to keep touchwiz,try xposed app settings,find there touchwiz launcher and tick the checkbox for "resident" option. That way it will keep the launcher in memory hardly,so when you will go back to launcher , shadows under the icons won't redraw and thus stuttery animations will be reduced and will happen much more rare.

On multitasking, try maximising your swap. Never have problems going from Chrome, email, FB etc. Also try removing apps 'receiver' settings, so they don't open on unlock, wifi connect etc..
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There have been a select FEW roms that solved most of the issues you talking about, but they mostly old and the developers have moved on. The truth is, AOSP kitkat isnt optimized for our phones and you most likely wont find a stock based ROM that doesn't lag. I think the main culprit is Jellybean + Samsung together. I don't ever recall ICS having frame drops or lagging really. Samsung did a crappy job optimizing jellybean for our phone. Jellybean is hardware intensive, more than ICS and Kitkat. Seems like it was a temp solution while Google worked on KitKat and now our phone is unfortunately stuck there.
Do yourself a favor and don't get a Samsung if you want proper performance.