something's buggin' me about the htc screen.
it seems like it operates on low frame rate. for example 30FPS instead of 60FPS
like it's not lagging or anything, quite the contrary, i have a MIUI rom and it's freaking fast, but it feels not as smooth as on other devices like let's say, an iPhone 4.
do you get me? or am i crazy?
is there a way to check this kind of thing? any documentation?
is it supposed to run at 60FPS?
I know what you are talking about...and it kinda bugged me at first too. One thing I can tell you for sure is that if you use an alt skin like Safari HD or even Slate...you see that frame rate jump back up and become iphone-ishly smooth again.
Not sure why some skins are smoother than others...but that seems to be the case.
Test it with a GOOD live wallpaper.
Everyapp can define it's max FPS. Some LVW usually do so, to save battery.
MIUI Launcher might also be doing it. BTW, did you enable enhanced graphics ?
I think it may just be the launcher. When you switch to an alt like Launcherpro, ADW or GO, it become much smoother. (Miui icons are still kept, except a few miui widgets are lost such as the folders)
LWPs also lag the launcher alot regardless of how simple they are...
Other than actual fps lag, i dont see any lag with the screen at all...
Miui settings is always kinda laggy, im not too sure how to fix that, but if you don't care about looks, you could get Cyanogenmod - Its still slightly themeable, but doesnt have the miui icon backgrounds
thanks daedric. i disabled enhanced graphics and it runs way smoother now.
but now the colors band a little. well, you can't have it all.
maybe i'll try CM7.
Leedroid v3.2.1 which is GB and sense 2.1, this specific version runs at locked 60fps, also any GB Rom with sense 2.1 will run at 60fps once the smoothness patch is applied (search in the development section) we are still working on locking the sense 3 launcher to 60fps
CM7 should be 60 but depends on the launcher, go launcher and launcher pro are 60fps, go launcher more stable in smoothness, if you want stable and locked 60 with zero bugs you won't find better then Leedroid v3.2.1, members in the leedroid thread will help you find it
Is the interface and browser smooth like the ipad? I ask because i tried out a couple of stock android tabs like the sony s and xoom at a store and their scrolling and zooming was quite laggy compared to the ipad, same goes for the browser.
The whole issue about the unsmooth scrolling is much better on 3.2 ROMs, like for example Task650 GalaxyTask ROM.
It isn't entirely gone, but I hope this will come with Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0.
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And to answer your questions: Yes, apart from occasional stuttering, it is as smooth as the iPad. Custom ROM/TouchScreenTune App do the trick for me.
Most of the apps in the system support H.W acceleration (browser , etc ) but the UI itself doesn't support it (it will come in ICS ) like the main launcher and the rotation and translations in the system that is why it shutters allot when using live wallpapers that is because the load is n the processor it self not on the gpu but ICS should fix all this issues, as i noticed even alpha builds are smoother than honeycomb
Android will always have more "stuttering" than the ipad. It's pretty simple to imagine why: on an ipad, all there is is a bunch of little standard sized icons. They don't display information, they don't change, they don't move or supply anything more than a link to open your app. They're just little cached images and so the whole interface moves smoothly because there's nothing to see, no work for the processor. Also, the screen is low resolution (1024x768), so there's less pixels to move around.
Android on the other hand has widgets that change and display information. They are not standardized and are often resizable. The whole interface is far more complex than the ipad. And the screen is higher resolution (1200x800) so there's more pixels.
So, sure, if "smooth scrolling of the homescreen" is your top priority, I'd say go with an ipad. It will always be simple and smooth. Emphasis on the simple.
If, on the other hand, you want customizability and information without having to open your apps, and a little jerkiness in the homescreen is OK with you, get an android tab.
Last bit: android allows you to install a different launcher (that's part of what I mean by "customizability"). ADW EX is very smooth...
Many of the roms on this forum can give you HW acceleration.
All i want is a silky smooth browser like the ipad/iphone. Tried android 2.2, 2.3,3.0,3,1,3.2, sense 3.0, sense 3.5, wp7, wp 7.5 NONE I REPEAT NONE can come close to the consistent smoothness of the safari browser. Is there a browser in the android market that can come close, cause i tried opera and its still not as smooth. Hope ICS will make it so.
Safari for ipad /iphone doesn't have flash so for sure it will be smoother , try opera mini it doesn't have flash so it shuld be faster
I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
I'm also verry happy with the Launcher in Overcome
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All i want is a silky smooth browser like the ipad/iphone. Tried android 2.2, 2.3,3.0,3,1,3.2, sense 3.0, sense 3.5, wp7, wp 7.5 NONE I REPEAT NONE can come close to the consistent smoothness of the safari browser. Is there a browser in the android market that can come close, cause i tried opera and its still not as smooth. Hope ICS will make it so.
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I use dolphin HD with flash loading on demand. It is the best browser I've used on any device so far.
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I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
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My experience is exactly the opposite. Touchwiz is so smooth and fluid in ways that regular honeycomb can't touch. The typind lag in the browser in stock honeycomb was enough to ruin the whole experience.
The only overcome rom I see is a touchwiz rom, where is this aosp overcome rom? I'll check it out on the off chance it is better than stock android.
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I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
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Where did you get Overcome AOSP ROM and that too 3.2.2
It is still TW. Right?
I know, it's a 2 year old phone with just 1GB RAM and TouchWiz on top of it.
I've spent the last 2 days trying a LOT of roms to try to make the phone feel faster, because I don't want to buy a new one. I really like this one. The camera is AMAZING, decent battery life, love blocking mode, etc. As a phone it works great: good speaker, strong vibration, great signal, etc.
But there's one single thing that makes this phone feel "old": the speed. Just the speed. If it were faster and more fluid then there would be absolutely no reason to upgrade to the new phones (except, well, maybe more RAM and battery).
Yesterday I tried like 15 AOSP roms: CM11, temasek, ultimaAOSP, NeatROMAOSP, Vanir, AOKP, SlimKat, etc.
Nothing. It's slightly faster, but the problem is the animations. They just look wrong all the time. There's frame drops everywhere. And bugs and crashes, so back to Samsung stock today. Tried another 10 samsung based roms. Nothing new. Speed is still the same and frame drops are still there...
I guess I'll have to end up buying a new phone, but definitely not a flagship. I'm looking at midrange phones that come with AOSP. Found one with 2GB RAM, 13Mpx camera, 2500 battery, 5 inch 720P IPS screen, microSD and dual SIM for 199$. Great price, and comes with 4.4 stock Android.
Tried the phone at the store the other day and it just made my SGS3 look like the midranger, and that with a MediaTek A7 1.3 quad core!
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Exactly. Well,animations are smooth on AOSP with right kernel,but still not as it should be. This phone sucks when it comes to UI performance.
Now I even got broken camera and media playback,too,after stressing it with every new test on my phone.
Well,probably this phone worked the best with 4.1.2. I think it's all about crappy processor,called exynos.
EDIT: Btw,you can try archidroid 1x with his boeffla presets,though. After all,it's not that bad.
I think you are just setting unrealistic expectations if none of those ROMS, without TouchWiz, were any good for you.
There is nothing crappy about the processor mate. your case is an isolated issue. If the archi ROM is not smooth for you then there is something wrong with your phone.
it's always wise to stick to ROMs and kernels which are built using proper sources.
Do not restore a massive amount of data soon after a flash. Let the ROM settle a bit. Trim your device memory once in a while.
Also a megawipe is recommended after so many flashes.
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I put Cyanogenmod CM11 on mine after updating to stock 4.3. It felt like a completely different phone and brought back the speed. It absolutely flies and battery time is double what it was on stock 4.3.
I tested alot of Roms but regading speed and batterylife i use Temasek with Yank kernel. No OC and de S3 flys.
Oh god, it's like reading a thread I could have written myself. I feel you, mate. Got the same damn frustations sometimes.
It seems that whichever ROM "camp" you choose, you're gonna have drawbacks. Tried so many different variants of TW-roms and i just feel they are all too slow and with lags.
Many of the AOSP-roms are quite fast (using ArchiDroid atm which is incredibly fast!) but then you get the problem of crappy camera, no Allshare, tethering issues, many games that have sound-issues and all those random bugs we all know about but try to live with
Perhaps the new Kitkat port can solve these issues but it seems there is a lot of work to be done still. Still I'm glad there's a community like XDA with such awesome people (Like Kryten who posted earlier ) who put the time into developing these things.. Or we would be stuck with even slower ROM's from Samsung.
Is there any way to get rid of it, or at least reduce it?
Install smart droid, further debloat, run greenify and boeffla, custom launcher and its quick, no lag
Even the s5 can't run without lag using Touchwiz.
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Is there any way to get rid of it, or at least reduce it?
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Yes there is, activate Developer Options by tapping on the Build Number in About Phone. In there are 3 settings for animations. The 1st thing I do on every rom is decrease them to 25%. On CM11 and temaseks builds you have a slider which allows you to fine tune the settings instead of the picker which you find on other roms.
My personal experience is that OmniRom is just snappier than any of the others, even when I have a whole bunch of apps open, incoming calls get displayed almost instantly, the dialer and contacts open almost instantly. In my case of course. Everyone has their favourite rom/kernel combination. I have also had great success using Yank555's kernel with the default settings (which include a slight overclock with no noticeable battery drain.
So my temporarily solution is to completely disable the animations in developer settings.
It's a good solution, for now.
My combo right now is stock Samsung 4.3 debloated (many useless apps freezed. Other apps freezed also using Titanium Backup) with Boeffla kernel.
It gets annoying when animations aren't smooth and consistent, but I guess it's expected when Touchwiz is on top and just 1GB RAM.
Taking about RAM, this phone has almost no multitasking also! It's impossible to keep one Chrome or Internet tab open in the background while you do something else. When you go back to the Internet app it has to reload again.
And no custom rom can fix this either. I spent one week with AOSP Vanir rom and didn't had multitasking there either.
What I'm trying to say is that this phone has turned old faster than it should have, precisely because of a bad 4.3 update by Samsung and also just 1GB RAM.
And talking about speed and lag again, trust me, I've tied all the good roms available. It won't matter if you install a custom kernel. If you overclock the phone then battery will last even less than before, and it doesn't make a huge difference in speed animation and fluidity.
I'm sure AOSP roms like CM11 and others do work faster and more fluid in newest phones like G2, SGS4, HTC One, etc. It's because they have a better processor and 2GB RAM.
In the end I think it's the hardware that's to blame for the lag (and bad 4.3 update by Samsung too).
The phone is great otherwise. I love almost everything about it, like I previously said. Most times I can't believe how good the camera is, the screen is enough for me (no need for 1080P), size and weight is perfect, etc.
I would have preferred to own the US SGS3 model with it's 2GB RAM than the EU model. In the long run I think it's better.
But anyway, the lag is not huge, just annoying. And I only notice it when opening and closing apps.
Try entering development settings and change the animator duration scale to 0.5 the transition animation scale to 0.5 and the window animation scale to 0.5
It will make anything faster
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Try entering development settings and change the animator duration scale to 0.5 the transition animation scale to 0.5 and the window animation scale to 0.5
It will make anything faster
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You don't understand it.
It doesn't matter the scale animation (just tried with 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 again), there's still frame drops everywhere.
It doesn't make anything "faster". It's even more annoying watching the frame drops at 0.25.
It's not a solution. There is NO solution to the animation frame drops, not even on custom roms...
Only "solution" is to turn animation scale completely to 0.
I have sgs3 intl and I had a lot of lags and frame drops and I switched to CM 11 nightly and it's became faster and no frame drop and it's like new.
What Android version do you use?
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if you want to have the same camera quality, i suggest you archidroid 1.7.16.
faster rom i ever tried
What lag? My S3 is smmmmoooooooth on CM11
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You don't understand it.
It doesn't matter the scale animation (just tried with 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 again), there's still frame drops everywhere.
It doesn't make anything "faster". It's even more annoying watching the frame drops at 0.25.
It's not a solution. There is NO solution to the animation frame drops, not even on custom roms...
Only "solution" is to turn animation scale completely to 0.
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Alright,my last bet will be to go on Archidroid stock based ROM,use it's own boeffla preset setting and turn animations to 1.5x. Animations will be smooth all around,only custom launcher is needed,because when opening or closing apps on touchwiz,it's still stuttery. I'm still using touchwiz launcher,though (lovely animations all around!).
I noticed 1.0x is the worst speed for animations on stock ROMs. I mean,with 1.0x,I notice some fps drops much more when opening a new windows with animations. Like it's too fast for CPU to tune right time for speed and animation and that makes it laggy. So it's all about wrong timing,as 0.5x also feels much more smoother,it's noticeable.
But the 1.5x setting compensates that. No more stuttery animations at all and it feels pretty beautiful. This was my last solution for stock touchwiz ROM,and I'm pretty happy. Try it yourself.
EDIT: Btw,if you also want to keep touchwiz,try xposed app settings,find there touchwiz launcher and tick the checkbox for "resident" option. That way it will keep the launcher in memory hardly,so when you will go back to launcher , shadows under the icons won't redraw and thus stuttery animations will be reduced and will happen much more rare.
On multitasking, try maximising your swap. Never have problems going from Chrome, email, FB etc. Also try removing apps 'receiver' settings, so they don't open on unlock, wifi connect etc..
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There have been a select FEW roms that solved most of the issues you talking about, but they mostly old and the developers have moved on. The truth is, AOSP kitkat isnt optimized for our phones and you most likely wont find a stock based ROM that doesn't lag. I think the main culprit is Jellybean + Samsung together. I don't ever recall ICS having frame drops or lagging really. Samsung did a crappy job optimizing jellybean for our phone. Jellybean is hardware intensive, more than ICS and Kitkat. Seems like it was a temp solution while Google worked on KitKat and now our phone is unfortunately stuck there.
Do yourself a favor and don't get a Samsung if you want proper performance.
Recently i tried out a brand new S5, and i found out it scrolls so smooth, especially, but my phone scrolls a bit laggy in the scrolling page, is it normal?
It wouldn't be normal on my phone. Mine has markedly less lag now than when it was new.
The difference probably being that you have more apps installed or that I removed most of the stock bloatware, which you may still have. If you have too many apps running in the background, your phone will develop lag.
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im keep having 600 mb free in my system
If you believe that is the only factor that counts, you are mistaken. An OS is much more complex than one metric.
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