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Engadget: Epic 4G review, EVO still #1

from http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/epic-4g-review
"So is it the right phone for the job? In a word, yes -- the Epic 4G is a great device. Killer, even. Nothing speaks to us more strongly during the course of a review than finishing it and saying, "alright, I'm ready to buy this thing," and the Epic is on the short list of phones that has managed to do it. More than its Galaxy S siblings, it feels like the Epic has overcome its shortcomings -- notably the forgettable UI skin -- to shine, and it's a phone we could easily imagine using day to day. Only thing is, the EVO is also on that short list for us -- and the better camera, bigger screen, and $50 savings versus the Epic still make it our winner in this 4G shootout, though only by the thinnest of margins. Needless to say, if you need a physical keyboard and you're looking for the one of the most musclebound Android phones money can buy, we wouldn't hesitate to recommend it."

I've been thinking about switching over to the Epic but the GPS problems found on all the Galaxy S phones along with Samsung's bad reputation for slow if any updates make me really appreciate how awesome the Evo/HTC really is

You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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rockethot said:
You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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Of course they would, they are iphone fanatics. And aren't they also owned in part by apple or at&t or something?
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AOL owns engadget
Beejis said:
Of course they would, they are iphone fanatics. And aren't they also owned in part by apple or at&t or something?
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rockethot said:
You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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But the Evo and iPhone 4 got the same score.
They really aren't as bad as some other news blogs out there (Gizmodo).

How many Epic threads do we need in an Evo forum? Are we going to have a separate thread for the Gizmodo review?

i played with a epic today, i wont be switching from my evo...

Engadget? -- Really? -- They're not even fully aware of GPS problems that are affecting the Galaxy S line of phones -- in short, completely disregard their reviews because -- Engadget isn't playing with a full deck -- don't let your love for HTC cloud your objectivity.
Hopefully I used -- enough.

Minjin said:
How many Epic threads do we need in an Evo forum? Are we going to have a separate thread for the Gizmodo review?
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The Gizmodo article needs its own thread actually...unlike this one..I mean in the Gizmodo article..now don't get a heart attack...only time it compared the Epic to the iphone 4 was to say that the Epic is better at it...when I saw that my jaw dropped....if anyone doesn't believe me read the article...
That said samsung said GPS will be fixed in September..so thats withing the 30 days of the Epic..so if necessary it ca be returned if GPS is a concern.
As for the Engadget review..only reason it got an 8/10 over a 9/10 was due to the 50$ extra..so its not that its a worse phone.it just costs 50$ more...

Vandam500 said:
I've been thinking about switching over to the Epic but the GPS problems found on all the Galaxy S phones along with Samsung's bad reputation for slow if any updates make me really appreciate how awesome the Evo/HTC really is
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They amended the review at Engadget after talking to Samsung. The Epic ships with AGPS turned off. Once it was activated, they said things look fine.
Apparently google is requiring this to be off by default now. Must be a privacy thing, because I can't see a logical reason to reduce functionality otherwise.
Most buyers will never turn it on, and will assume their phone navigation sucks.

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Considering the Epic *****ing when the evo was released about all the bone headed issues HTC still have not fixed I don't think anyone can point a finger at samsung. The Epic is slated for 2.2 in September and a GPS fix.
Without root and custom roms the EVO, for a power user, is a POS.
Talk about construction issues. Different parts of varying capability and quality. Different screens, different multitouch sensors etc its like they took all the extra parts they had lying around and stuffed them into the cases.
Light leakage, screens lifting etc... FPS fix? SD cards corrupted? Touch input lag? Grounding issues? Thank God for XDA and some updates.
The EVO shipped with far more wrong that the epic. This is coming from an EVO owner. If the worst thing wrong with the Samsung is a GPS issue that will get fixed and touch wiz lag (Which you can remove without a custom rom unlike HTC sense) then they are a few steps ahead of where we were at release.
Also it seems the 1gb of storage may entirely be NAND fixing the app lag from the vibrant and other Galaxy S devices. From Slash gear's review:
Happily, while use of the Galaxy S series was punctuated with freezes and pauses, anecdotally blamed upon the handsets’ use of an internal microSD card for their onboard storage, the Epic 4G seems generally free of such lag.
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It's still "Internal SD" from what I can see, we (Captivate/Vibrant) don't have the newer firmware (yet) that eliminates lag when going back to the homescreen or when opening apps.

Got a chance to compare them side by side today and I have to say I highly prefer the EVO, the Samsung has a smaller screen yet the device is bigger and bulkier than the EVO. The UI looks like something designed by a 5 year old with a box of crayons. I guess if you really need a hard keyboard the Epic would be the only route you can take but the keyboard works great on the EVO so I actually prefer the slimmer device rather than a bulky 90's esque slide out keyboard phone. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would want an Epic over an EVO but I imagine some Epic owners feel the same way about the EVO. Regardless there is not a snowballs chance in hell I would ever own an Epic over an EVO The only other phone I might choos is iPhone 4 but with it's tiny screen and lack of widgets the whole thing just seems like outdated technology, I think Apple has alot of catching up to do to win me back from the EVO/Android.

Aridon said:
Considering the Epic *****ing when the evo was released about all the bone headed issues HTC still have not fixed I don't think anyone can point a finger at samsung. The Epic is slated for 2.2 in September and a GPS fix.
Without root and custom roms the EVO, for a power user, is a POS.
Talk about construction issues. Different parts of varying capability and quality. Different screens, different multitouch sensors etc its like they took all the extra parts they had lying around and stuffed them into the cases.
Light leakage, screens lifting etc... FPS fix? SD cards corrupted? Touch input lag? Grounding issues? Thank God for XDA and some updates.
The EVO shipped with far more wrong that the epic. This is coming from an EVO owner. If the worst thing wrong with the Samsung is a GPS issue that will get fixed and touch wiz lag (Which you can remove without a custom rom unlike HTC sense) then they are a few steps ahead of where we were at release.
Also it seems the 1gb of storage may entirely be NAND fixing the app lag from the vibrant and other Galaxy S devices. From Slash gear's review:
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I agree. I decided to return my evo today, I'll preorder an epic as soon as sprint receives the evo and grants me upgrade eligibility again.

bluehaze said:
Got a chance to compare them side by side today and I have to say I highly prefer the EVO, the Samsung has a smaller screen yet the device is bigger and bulkier than the EVO. The UI looks like something designed by a 5 year old with a box of crayons. I guess if you really need a hard keyboard the Epic would be the only route you can take but the keyboard works great on the EVO so I actually prefer the slimmer device rather than a bulky 90's esque slide out keyboard phone. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would want an Epic over an EVO but I imagine some Epic owners feel the same way about the EVO. Regardless there is not a snowballs chance in hell I would ever own an Epic over an EVO The only other phone I might choos is iPhone 4 but with it's tiny screen and lack of widgets the whole thing just seems like outdated technology, I think Apple has alot of catching up to do to win me back from the EVO/Android.
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agreed, i played with our demo epic all day today, and honestly, im not that impressed. It is a VERY nice screen, but as stated all over, colors look highly over saturated, and text is grainy because of it. I am envious of the 60fps when scrolling through menus, but thats ALL. Touchwiz is a JOKE. The capacitive android buttons work when they want to, cameras are much lower quality, and the screen is smaller. MY unbiased opinion? I think the epic is better for the GENERAL public out of the box vs the evo. That being said, For us XDA people, The evo is still the clear winner. Ill take my over clocked custom rom'd up ass evo ANYDAY over the epic. GO HTC!

rockethot said:
You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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thats all the more reason to take them seriously... the droid x is crap

Success100 said:
It is a VERY nice screen, but as stated all over, colors look highly over saturated,
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"Oversaturated"? Riiight. I'm guessing those true black levels are highly exaggerated too.

I am within 30 days of return date for my evo and was considering making the switch but the reviews make it easier for me to stick to the evo
With fresh Rom and havs kernel my battery life is fine and I don't really think I would ever use the horizontal hardware keyboard
If it was a vertical keyboard maybe since id be able to use it one handed
The screen is nice but from looking at the vibrant it had a blueish hue I did not care for. Additionally the pentile matrix display made text a bit tough to read from anything but zoomed in levels

Wow.. 4.5 'super amoled plus', 1.2 hummingbird process, 8mp/1.3

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First introduced just last year on the Wave, it feels like Super AMOLED was just starting to get its sea legs... but here we go again: Samsung's latest handset -- announced today in collaboration with AT&T at CES -- is the first to tout "Super AMOLED Plus" technology that features a 50 percent boost in sub-pixel count, promising improvements both in contrast and outdoor readability. Maybe more importantly, the display clocks in at a whopping 4.5 inches, besting HTC's 4.3-inch range (the EVO 4G, Desire HD, and likely the Thunderbolt) without getting dangerously close to Dell Streak territory. It's got an 8 megapixel camera on back paired with a 1.3 megapixel shooter up front, a 1.2GHz single-core Hummingbird processor, and still somehow promises to be the thinnest smartphone on AT&T when it launches at a to-be-determined date. Now, the controversy: despite the name, the Infuse 4G apparently doesn't have a hint of LTE -- it's HSPA+, which means AT&T's now playing the same game as T-Mobile.
We've had a brief chance to play with an early Infuse 4G dummy unit, so we weren't able to turn it on, but we got a pretty good impression of how it feels. Basically, we came away encouraged that 4.5 inches isn't going to feel too big for practical use -- if you're accustomed to something like an EVO, you probably won't skip a beat (that's undoubtedly due in part to the fact that the Infuse seems to be quite a bit thinner). We're told the tastefully textured matte rear cover that we saw wasn't final, but we're crossing our fingers that
Its a Samsung Evo 4g lol
At&t looking mighty fine.. plus found out first hand their 3g is
as fast as my 4g on a bad day..
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hayabusa1300cc said:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...uper-amoled-plus/&category=classic&postPage=1
Its a Samsung Evo 4g lol
At&t looking mighty fine.. plus found out first hand their 3g is
as fast as my 4g on a bad day..
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Thought about posting this myself but I was just depressed. They're getting the dualcore motorola. Jeez.

That looks awesome, however my step mom switched from at&t cause of there poor phones service slow 3g and unreliable network, plus i rather have a keyboard on my epic and damn that thing is going to be big with 4.5 screen. Also probaly horrible battery life since it has a 1.2 processor..
Cool but i like my epic better...

davidrules7778 said:
That looks awesome, however my step mom switched from at&t cause of there poor phones service slow 3g and unreliable network
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but...but...but...all their commercials say that at&t has the fastest network in America.
/sarcasm

but...but...but...all their commercials say that at&t has the fastest network in America.
/sarcasm
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LOL so true so true.. I had such fun at a recently holiday gathering with my iPhone-toting friends. The frustration abounded as I was able to zip photos from the party up to Facebook/Twitter in seconds and their network dragged and dragged. As much as this froyo fiasco is grinding my gears, at least I have a solid data connection 99% of the time.

If it had a physical keyboard, I'd be intrigued. It's a nice looking phone, but I rely too much on my hardware keyboard..

One of the reasons we dont have Froyo yet too. They've been busy with this big thing.
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I might have to find me another dummy to go to att and get me this phone,so I can use it with tmobile,is they hsdpa+ same as tmobile?

DiGi760 said:
but...but...but...all their commercials say that at&t has the fastest network in America.
/sarcasm
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Ya ill believe there commercial when my **** turns hot pink lol
themirthfulswami said:
LOL so true so true.. I had such fun at a recently holiday gathering with my iPhone-toting friends. The frustration abounded as I was able to zip photos from the party up to Facebook/Twitter in seconds and their network dragged and dragged. As much as this froyo fiasco is grinding my gears, at least I have a solid data connection 99% of the time.
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So get this, my sisters bf has an iphone and i have sprints epics with mobile ap for free and he was saying my data speeds were 4g and he stated connecting to my phone with his iphone on my 3g service along with my laptop and 2 ipod touchs saying it was faster then his 3g service. LMFAO
hydrogenwv said:
If it had a physical keyboard, I'd be intrigued. It's a nice looking phone, but I rely too much on my hardware keyboard..
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Dido, however i would not switch to crap At&T Service..
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One of the reasons we dont have Froyo yet too. They've been busy with this big thing.
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+1
Right? Seriously!!!

Finally, all the subpixels. Makes me jealous.

hydrogenwv said:
If it had a physical keyboard, I'd be intrigued. It's a nice looking phone, but I rely too much on my hardware keyboard..
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Same here... I would be an AT&T customer but their Android phones with keyboards is just laughable. Damn the apple for being the driving force behind the keyboardless phones. They are just useless to me... nothing like banging away at a text or email without having to even look at the screen once.

What would be funny, if it came shipped with 2.1, or 2.2 when they already made the nexus s 2.3 lmfao samsung would look bad...
Edit: nvrmind it has 2.2, and probaly wont get 2.3, wow samsung announcing a new device top of the line with android 2.2, sucky!!!!

Speaking of sub pixels..did the Nexus S use PenTile Matrix? cause In Google's specs they made it sound like no PenTile too..forgot to ask :/
davidrules7778 said:
What would be funny, if it came shipped with 2.1, or 2.2 when they already made the nexus s 2.3 lmfao samsung would look bad...
Edit: nvrmind it has 2.2, and probaly wont get 2.3, wow samsung announcing a new device top of the line with android 2.2, sucky!!!!
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Its not shocking..Nexus One already had 2.2 and EVO came out with 2.1...its ow these things work..just cause Gingerbread is out does not mean its 100% stable..hence why its on a developer phone...the N1 got a few Froyo updates before any phone got theirs...

gTen said:
Speaking of sub pixels..did the Nexus S use PenTile Matrix? cause In Google's specs they made it sound like no PenTile too..forgot to ask :/
Its not shocking..Nexus One already had 2.2 and EVO came out with 2.1...its ow these things work..just cause Gingerbread is out does not mean its 100% stable..hence why its on a developer phone...the N1 got a few Froyo updates before any phone got theirs...
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Oh i see, well i doubt samsung will upgrade anytime soon, i mean we still dont have froyo on any galaxy s devices in the U.S. so..
Thanks for that info tho. didnt know that

AT&T blows, nuff said.
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Im fine with 4.5 screen if they still make the phone same size as Epic.How?Epic has 0.2 inches of unused space on each side of the screen,now if they could make the whole screen as wide as the phone itself,why waste any space?I bet that sht is possible to make and get rid off 4 android buttons that nobody uses and make 1 or 2 physical buttons imstead and make them smaller.To make it short bassicly fit that 4.5 screen on our Epic- it can be done.

leatherneck6017 said:
AT&T blows, nuff said.
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+1........ I sold their phones awhile ago their customer service is the worst. they also are way too expensive for pretty much the ****ty service all these carriers have just because it comes with a pretty red bow doesnt make it any better.if you are complaining about 3g speeds get wifi boneheads. all of my major downloading is done on wifi at my house. im not impressed by the phone at all it is probably our exact processor just overclocked. whoop deee dooo daaaa. dual cores will be coming out in feb that will impress me
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no keyboard no thank you....it looks like a decent phone though too bad samsung made it measn they will get no support sucks to be them

No disrespect meant towards the OP but, F samsung. They aren't getting any more of my money.

Specs-wise, it's an incremental upgrade at best. We could easily overclock our chips to 1.2 GHz if we wanted to. I am surprised really, that it didn't come with a dual core ARM Cortex A9 CPU. I doubt that the camera will be much better (remember megapixels != quality).
The only thing that is really tempting is the screen, which now uses the RGB layout. Otherwise, it's not worth upgrading to. Upgrade when your phone is significantly weaker than the status quo, or else you're constantly going to be spending big.

WOOT CDMA iPhone coming soon

Verizon just confirmed the iphone release:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704739504576068170230339348.html?mod=djemalertNEWS
Would this make it possible for us to flash it for sprint?

Get that outta here...the ipunk gets no love here. We're all about android here buddy. Go to a iphone forum with that question....lol
Just playing.
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plmiller0905 said:
Get that outta here...the ipunk gets no love here. We're all about android here buddy. Go to a iphone forum with that question....lol
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YEAH! lol j/k
But really gtfo
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xHausx said:
YEAH! lol j/k
But really gtfo
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Lmao...lol
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Possibly has something to do with this?
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-cut-return-policy-14-days-effective-jan-16th

Only sissies have iphones.

I can't believe the OP even asked that question here..too funny
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No phone would be able to convince me to take it in the ass from At&t OR Verizon.

Iphones are for the ladies it takes a real man to run on Android and harness it >=]
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wow you guys are seriously worst than iphone fan boys.
hmm, a retina display with better cpu/gpu, better app market, better front and back camera, and overall 10x better as hardware and software (minus the ****ty at&t network) or an old outdated cpu/gpu, with a pretty bad app market, and ****ty cameras.
hmm thats a hard one. If someone figures out a way to "unlock" it to work on sprint, im jumping it asap. Unless sprint has something up their sleeves like the motorola atrix, which i doubt.
Also i never said that people should switch to verizon. Hence why i posted:
"Would this make it possible for us to flash it for sprint?"
Also hence why i said "CDMA iphone" and not "verizon iphone"
lrn2read, and then comment.

Ill pass. I got a iPod touch.
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Last-Chance said:
wow you guys are seriously worst than iphone fan boys.
hmm, a retina display with better cpu/gpu, better app market, better front and back camera, and overall 10x better as hardware and software (minus the ****ty at&t network) or an old outdated cpu/gpu, with a pretty bad app market, and ****ty cameras.
hmm thats a hard one. If someone figures out a way to "unlock" it to work on sprint, im jumping it asap. Unless sprint has something up their sleeves like the motorola atrix, which i doubt.
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Irrelevant to what some people said:
mattykinsx said:
No phone would be able to convince me to take it in the ass from At&t OR Verizon.
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You'll notice that says no phone, not "the iphone"
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-cut-return-policy-14-days-effective-jan-16th
http://www.androidcentral.com/veriz...de-policy-youll-have-wait-20-months-new-phone
Only two examples of many, many.

Last-Chance said:
wow you guys are seriously worst than iphone fan boys.
hmm, a retina display with better cpu/gpu, better app market, better front and back camera, and overall 10x better as hardware and software (minus the ****ty at&t network) or an old outdated cpu/gpu, with a pretty bad app market, and ****ty cameras.
hmm thats a hard one. If someone figures out a way to "unlock" it to work on sprint, im jumping it asap. Unless sprint has something up their sleeves like the motorola atrix, which i doubt.
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Last-Chance said:
wow you guys are seriously worst than iphone fan boys.
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Have you ever looked in an iphone forum and seen how they bash android?
This is nothing.

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No phone would be able to convince me to take it in the ass from At&t OR Verizon.
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What this man said is how I feel.

I'd probably leave Android as well. I do miss my iPhone and all the amazing apps.
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I would jump on a sprint iphone 4 in a hear beat.

Last-Chance said:
wow you guys are seriously worst than iphone fan boys.
hmm, a retina display with better cpu/gpu, better app market, better front and back camera, and overall 10x better as hardware and software (minus the ****ty at&t network) or an old outdated cpu/gpu, with a pretty bad app market, and ****ty cameras.
hmm thats a hard one. If someone figures out a way to "unlock" it to work on sprint, im jumping it asap. Unless sprint has something up their sleeves like the motorola atrix, which i doubt.
Also i never said that people should switch to verizon. Hence why i posted:
"Would this make it possible for us to flash it for sprint?"
Also hence why i said "CDMA iphone" and not "verizon iphone"
lrn2read, and then comment.
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Yeah have you ever been to an Iphone forum? They act like the iphone is god's work and every other phone is just trying to copy.
I'm guessing you're comparing the Evo/Iphone.
The camera app actually has many more functions than an Iphone camera. From contrast/saturation/brightness levels to ISO levels, we have quite a bit of customization there. The camera is as good as the person using it.
We also have some camera replacement apps (as well as messaging app replacements and widget replacements and keyboard replacements... )
Retina display is all Steve Job's bs crap. No one cared about pixels until he mentioned it. Have you used a magnifying glass to read text on your phone and find all the pixels?
I'd rather have a bigger screened phone. I don't know how anyone can go from 4.3" to 3.5", lol. I can't even drop down to 4.0" for some of these new phones coming out.
Better cpu? Eh, snapdragon is fast enough on the CPU side.
GPU? Sucks...
But if you're comparing any of the newer phones such as the newer GPUs by HTC and the Galaxy line by Samsung, then it beats the iphone.
App market? We have SOOOO many more free apps... period. I rarely buy apps. The App store is filled with soooo many 99c crapps. Until recently, they have been getting priority with companies. Nowadays, many new apps are built for android/iphone both simply because of the marketshare.
Though I do commend Apple on keeping their product line so simple... they can create the thinnest phone with the biggest battery and everyone buys it.
Other companies need to learn from that. HTC pumps out new phones like no other. Phones get lost with all these random names like Desire, Eris, Incredible, Hero, Evo... not to techies, but to regular users.
Woooah rant. Fed troll. :/

The retina display is so much clearer than super amoled, or any other android screen on the market (right now)
The iphone is so much snappier than my evo, even with me running CM6. Everything on the iphone is faster. One thing i really noticed was how fast photos upload. In order for me to look at my pictures on my sd card, it takes 10 seconds to see one photo (might be exaggerated by a couple of seconds), but on the iphone you click on gallery, and the photos are there.
The app store on mac products also has apps for basically everything. Android is finally catching up..and im proud of them. However, it will take a while before they have the amount of apps that are as good as iphone. I would rather pay 99 cents for an app than not have an option for it at all.

My opinion is that a iPhone is a toy its a ipod touch really with more specs I'd rather have a phone that looks different from. Every apple product all there touch products look the same
To me that's my opinion

[Q] Is the Atrix worth leaving the Inspire?

I'm sure there are threads out there on this already, so I will make it short.
With the problems that the inspire has (bad internal antenna, sound quality, and so forth) is it worth switching to the Atrix, or should I head towards a different device? AT&T is pushing me for an early upgrade as I've exchanged 4 of the inspires for different reasons, and I'm not about to buy a phone that has a ton of issues.
Any info is greatly appreciated.

And, to add to it, I'm looking at the new Samsung Infuse, and the Captivate as a potential replacement. No reason to go back to a "regular" phone...
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Well the captivate is really outdated, and soon will the inspire will be to, the atrix is more future proof than both those phones
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It is. It's all around better. No Sense, either. Lol
I owned an Inspire for a while and couldn't stand it. I'm happy with the Atrix.
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I would go with atrix. I would stay away from phones that utilize amoled screens because of their inability to display whites correctly, huge power consumption when displaying any color other than black, burn in issues and color oversaturation.
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If you're happy to unlock BL and flash custom ROM then hell yes go for it. The hardware is excellent for the price and considerably futureproof (dual core 1Gb RAM = enough grunt for foreseeable future). It also has my ideal form factor (4").
However in its stock state I would recommend pretty much any other dual core phone aside from the LG2X. You'd be surprised how few people realise its dual core based on their impressions of the speed of the default launcher/home (ie its not that great unlike the immediate WOAH of SGS2 stock or the glitz of sense). Other minor niggles IMO include slightly buggy bluetooth (compared to my other droids), , power/usb is on the left, not bottom, and if you don't actually use the fingerprint reader feature, the power button placement is less than ideal.
Like I said thou once you custom ROM/kernel it absolutely flies
However to each their own, maybe you like motoblur (if I was addicted to social media I could see myself liking it a lot more) and don't mind the AT&T restrictions (no native SIP, have to pay for tethering).

Yep, bought one outright off contract today. Well worth it.

Stay away from Captivate
1. The Motorola Atrix is the best smart phone I ever had
2. The Samsung Captivate was the worst piece of crap I ever had. Went through 3 of them before finally giving up. Stay away from this one.
Diesel984 said:
I'm sure there are threads out there on this already, so I will make it short.
With the problems that the inspire has (bad internal antenna, sound quality, and so forth) is it worth switching to the Atrix, or should I head towards a different device? AT&T is pushing me for an early upgrade as I've exchanged 4 of the inspires for different reasons, and I'm not about to buy a phone that has a ton of issues.
Any info is greatly appreciated.
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Well you're asking in atrix forum, so HE'LL NO, don't go for it. All jokes aside, its a worthy successor to The nexus one. Surprised me. Slcd is impressive. And blinding at lowest brightness. And once you unlock bootloader and root it, the least you can do is flash a stock rom minus some of the bloat to get your toes wet on how capable it is.
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Diesel984 said:
I'm sure there are threads out there on this already, so I will make it short.
With the problems that the inspire has (bad internal antenna, sound quality, and so forth) is it worth switching to the Atrix, or should I head towards a different device? AT&T is pushing me for an early upgrade as I've exchanged 4 of the inspires for different reasons, and I'm not about to buy a phone that has a ton of issues.
Any info is greatly appreciated.
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Atrix doesn't have any major issues if you ask me (antenna, sound quality are all great).
+ We have an unlocked bootloader and CM7 on the way. With vanilla android Atrix will be amazingly future proof.

Go for the ATRIX. Its totally worth the 4g and dual cores.
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I have both atrix and inspire... The inspire has a much nicer ui tons of custom roms let's just say tons of eye candy it runs smoothly when overclocked mine is at 1.3ghz but can go up to 1.8ghz... Battery life sucks but can be tweaked for example my phone when asleep runs at a little over 300mhz and when on runs at 1.3ghz so it gives a full day with moderate use gps is the second best I've seen 1st being the Atrix of course solid build some say feels too heavy.. I like it.
My atrix like many people said is more future proof ui not so pretty great loud speaker comparable to the blackberry bold 9000 awesome GPS can't be beat by any mobile phone qhd display if you like that icons and keyboard seem soooo small after using the inspire for a while picture quality is grainy compared to inspire which is 8mp looks like iphone quality HD recording too me seems smoother on atrix... With the ui on the inspire it seems to do more then blur... Sense is integrated more with facebook and twitter in every aspect.. Sound on the headset on both devices are loud and clear so it's basically comes down to what you like
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worth it. it's a different level than the inspire. high resolution qhd display (ebooks look gorgeous with all those pixels crammed in), first dual core in a smart phone, 4g, high capacity battery. i believe i read that it is the biggest on a smart phone to date.the specs alone put inspire down hard. and on top of that active indie devs? go for it dude.
don't let that massive screen on the infuse hypnotize you. compare the actual display resolution. a full web page renders better on atrix than anything else att offers
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Atrix is also the only phone with a 1gb ram to this date also although stock it isn't utilized install a custom kernel and wham its so fast its hard, even frustrating to use any other device!
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I left the inspire for the atrix. Don't regret it at all. Love this damn phone.
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First of all, you're asking this in an Atrix Forum so I can only guess what most responses are going to be ; )
But seriously, I originally had an Inspire and I can honestly say that the Atrix has better functionality with battery life, screen resolution, call quality, etc. I would stay away from the Infuse since it has been rumored that AT&T's SGS2 variant should be out this month and they might also be offering a model with a pretty damn good looking keyboard on it as well.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/07/26/atts-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-outed-with-keyboard-in-tow/
(Note: the article is old and they have since confirmed that the phone pictured is NOT the SGS2 but rather a secondary model that may or may not be launched)
Diesel984 said:
I'm sure there are threads out there on this already, so I will make it short.
With the problems that the inspire has (bad internal antenna, sound quality, and so forth) is it worth switching to the Atrix, or should I head towards a different device? AT&T is pushing me for an early upgrade as I've exchanged 4 of the inspires for different reasons, and I'm not about to buy a phone that has a ton of issues.
Any info is greatly appreciated.
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Diesel984 said:
And, to add to it, I'm looking at the new Samsung Infuse, and the Captivate as a potential replacement. No reason to go back to a "regular" phone...
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Coming from a Nexus One, I tried an Infuse before I got the Atrix. It was slower than the N1, and it always lowered the brightness when used outdoors because of heat.
Happily returned it for an Atrix after it was released. Haven't looked back.
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Yes
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PH33R THE AWFUL VIBRATION MOTOR.
it might die on you after some usage. so you wont get vibration random or haptic feedback randomly.. QQ

I had an inspire before I got my Atrix and the only thing the insipre had over the Atrix was being unlocked.... and now that advantage is gone.
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Opinions on HTC Desire Z/G2

I'm looking to buy a Desire Z as a gift, and wanted to get some second opinions on the phone. Is the keyboard decent? What's the speed like? How sturdy is the keyboard hinge?
Also, is it fairly easy to root?
I've got an original Desire myself so if it's a roughly similar experience to that but with a keyboard then that'll be good.
Cheers

It's a great phone, 2nd Gen Snapdragon, Adreno 205 GPU...but it is also fairly late in it's life. The keyboard is great, and while people have differing opinions on the hinge, I haven't had any problems.
Just know that it doesn't hold a candle to the 1GB Ram/Dual Core beasts being released today.
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The hinge problem has been previously blown up, it is fine.
I couldn't imagine living and typing longer than an sms without a keyboard, I still love it and use it for longer input. If I was buying a phone now I probably could sacrifice the keyboard for a front camera or more CPU power or so. I could even buy a Desire S or a Sensation (just to be in this pricerange). Phones change quickly, quadband is here, I still love this phone.
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in my opinion its still a great phone... sure there are better ones out now rooting isn´t that easy, but not very hard too (if you know how to use adb, you are fine) If you are on 2.3+ it could happen that you need to create a goldcard while rooting...
...what rather concerns me right now is the fact that a lot of people seem to have a problem with a fried emmc chip.
here is a link to the wiki-guide for rooting (so you see how its done):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision

Thanks. Dual core and that isn't a concern, the intended owner is not really fussed about those kind of things, having a keyboard is more important, and I trust HTC as a brand.
Have ordered one now.

h0kum said:
Thanks. Dual core and that isn't a concern, the intended owner is not really fussed about those kind of things, having a keyboard is more important, and I trust HTC as a brand.
Have ordered one now.
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You won't regret it! Great phone with great devs taking care of it
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Like everyone said is great options is not a bad phone every 3d games or apps i like is here. U can use hulu plus and netflix. Adobe flash player 11.
Gameloft hd games
Glu hd games
And other what not to like about this phone? lol
does hd recording 720 p.
It have best keyboard after g1.

in my opinion its still a great phone... sure there are better ones out now
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I sure wish you could NAME a better phone that is out now!
Remember, it must have the reliability, style, and expensive feel of the G2, must have a great hardware (real) keyboard and beautiful gorilla glass screen like G2, and must be root/developer friendly, have removable battery, and it must provide wifi calling in my weak signal area and free tethering and portable wifi hotspot, and do all of this for US$60/month no-contract service with unlimited 4G everything and no overage charges possible like my G2!
what better one ya got that does all of that?
that's right - NOTHING!

WTF? said:
I sure wish you could NAME a better phone that is out now!
Remember, it must have the reliability, style, and expensive feel of the G2, must have a great hardware (real) keyboard and beautiful gorilla glass screen like G2, and must be root/developer friendly, have removable battery, and it must provide wifi calling in my weak signal area and free tethering and portable wifi hotspot, and do all of this for US$60/month no-contract service with unlimited 4G everything and no overage charges possible like my G2!
what better one ya got that does all of that?
that's right - NOTHING!
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An iPhone
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An iPhone
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Ahah u can't be serious because the iphail contains none of the above..
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I concur, there is nothing else out there I could see me replacing it with at the moment. I need a hardware keyboard.. More ram and a faster CPU would be handy though... Refreshed DZ required

Great phone, and i will use this as long as it works. I'v had this about little over 11months now, no problems. Only thing is, screen has one frozen pixel in it, tough it's on the side, close to a corner so i barely even notice it, if i look for it, i can see it.
There is Motorola Droid 4 coming, sure looks nice whit that 5-row qwerty. If i would have waited a year longer to upgrade to smartphone world, id get it when it comes.
Now i'm planing on getting a tablet, to get the horsepower going on android. possibly transformer prime, or smth, wonder what CES brings to the table.
I love this phone! Sorry i got drifted to little off topic here.

I won't get another phone until there is a worthy successor. I would like to stick with HTC and I need a qwerty KB (well strongly prefer to have one) so here is hoping for a G3 sometime soon.
Until then though I still get great performance so no immediate rush.

There was also a Samsung qwerty slider I was reading about a while back, can't seem to find the article anymore.

Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens

fredcorp6 said:
Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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spec: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i927_captivate_glide-4071.php
look awesome tho. its like galaxy s2+keyboard

hopefully Q1 2012..
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Google it.

ewww iphone unless u want to be locked. Even with android without rooting u still will not be lock as you are with iphone.
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I agree with flinny if they can refresh desire z 2 aka htc t-mobile g3 with stock in usa. I would love to have front face camera,1gb of ram i hate using my mirror to video chat. Get amoled screen back like nexus one. Add the hardware 5 key rows they had on g1 to g3 .
Hopefully stop selling to many damn Htc phone their selling about 10-15 device every year i wish they can stay with 3-5. Limited their work because then they make users like me hack my phone to get update, that they should be doing themselves. Instead of making excuses on why they cant update 1 device to the other.

fredcorp6 said:
Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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Looked very interesting to me at first, but reviews have been far from stellar:
[URL="http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-captivate-glide-at/4505-6452_7-35033579.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody#reviewPage1"]http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/20/review-samsung-captivate-glide-att/[/URL]
Looks like cheap exterior build quality, and crappy flat keyboard. Nice screen, but hardware specs are merely ok compared to other high end phones currently being released. A Galaxy IIS spec phone with decent keyboard would be killer. But this ain't that.
Can't any manufacturers come out with a high-spec phone, with a decent keyboard?