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Bad news for Tab owners

Hopefully the following article is misinformed (I do also have a Tab)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
Otherwise we'll have to wait for devs to port Honeycomb to our tabs. Which may very well not happen since few of them have SGTs (and given the news flow they may very well pass it...) plus our hardware may be too limited (Underpowered processor, too small screen resolution) and we may very well want to pass on honeycomb too (If it's only for tabs and not for phones, forget about phone functionalities...)
Anyway let's just hope this is not true (Would hate to have to dump my tab only after 3 months of use...)

It's not like SGT becomes somehow inferior just because there's a new version of Android. It is a great device as it is.

All the more reason for me to justify picking up a Tab 2 when it is released
I love my tab as it is, and I see that there are already improvements to be made through updates to FroYo, so I am not really worried because I am satisfied even with my stock tab now.

Same here - I bought an unactivated vzw tab, and it just does everything I need. If there's a Tab 2 with Honeycomb, I'll look at it, but with my other android devices, the dev community seems to produce better functionality than the vendors do, and I can hopefully skip all the vendor-installed crap with a clean image when that time arrives.

R.I.P.
These are really bad news for us owners.
Maybe I'll switch to iOS devices then. They're running so much smoother compared to android 2.X devices...
We won't see how good the tab with its powervr 540 graphics would perform with proper hardwareacceleration honeycomb will provide.

And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we're all here on XDA......

The way things are looking, unless Google is planning on HC being a tablet only OS, there will be a basic HC OS for phones and an extra feature set that's unlocked for tablets with dual core procs and 1280 X 720 screens. What may happen is that the 7" tablet will essentially be an oversized phone with XDA hacking it so you can use the tablet features on the 7" tablets.
As a Galaxy Tab owner I'm not really that butthurt by this because I can envision having a camera phone and 7" tablet as mobile devices and a wifi only 12" tablet for home use. If the HC tablet features truly require a larger screen, then I'm content with a 7" tablet that more of a mobile device.
I am a big fan of the 16:9 screen dimension. Better for movies and better for mutli-pane implementation.

The worry I have is this will just cut the spread of SGT buyers. If we end up with a device not very popular and with a small customer/devs base you can forget about any dream of good custom roms or app developments
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HTC is rumored to be releasing a 7" tablet, and the SGT has sold millions in a short amount of time. Unlike the iPhone, there was no carrier based reason to purchase the SGT over the iPad, but people did, in large part due to the form factor. I suspect that the 7" tab will not go away.

LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???

FUD
There are no mins for Gingerbread, and IF there are any for Honeycomb, the community devs will pull apart what is a good update for the GTab and cook it up.
Honestly if you are worried, start a fund to get a tab into more dev hands...

lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.

lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.

Eh...it's only bad news if you don't like your Tab the way it is now. So it's not bad news for me, it's just more news.

What is bad is how all of a sudden there are so many deals for people to get these Galaxy Tabs. That had dramaticly reduced the cost. My guess that are getting rid of invintory. And it seems this is going on before CES. Just my view

What deals? That $100 Verizon price drop? Good luck finding a Verizon store that will sell one for $500 no-contract, it's a rumor and not official, at least not yet.
The T-Mobile $349 on a 2-year? That's not a price reduction, it's a little lubrication for the contract buttsecks. The Best Buy and Amazon sales? Short term holiday traffic generators. The UK/Euro price drops? Those were adjustments to bring the device in line with US pricing once the North American Tabs were released.
Lets not forget economy of scale, the more they make and sell, the cheaper each individual unit becomes to produce, and they can (and often do) lower prices over the life of a product to reflect this.
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
And any way you slice it, we're looking at March at the very least for a Honeycomb tablet explosion*. That's six months after the Tab launched. That's six months of awesome Tab usage before you should start to get the urge to replace it.
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
*The Motorola tablet may launch before then, but frankly, I don't give a DAMN about the Motorola tablet, because it's a 10" device and I don't want one of those.

Croak said:
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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i am with u but u need money to burn

Croak said:
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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No truer words have been spoken.
You can play the waiting game forever. By the time the Honeycomb tablets are finally in the wild, the next generation tablet hardware / software will already be announced. At some point you just got to buy.
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I just got a tablet running Samsung S5PV210 and I do hope it would be upgrade to honeycomb. The tablet run Android 2.2 OS currently, and its hardware specs. as following on the site where I picked up.
I'm going to contact with the vendor and ask for certain upgrade info.

Croak said:
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
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I also believe that one of the announced Asus tablets with Honeycomb also has a 1Ghz snapdragon so that busts the Dual Core requirement too.

My Opinion

Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.

I've had the same thought, but since my GF got it for me for X-mas, I'm gonna keep using it, and give it back to her when I can afford a XOOM
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kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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I got the tab in January and so far other than gaining root haven’t done anything else with it, the mobility factor is a big plus no question about it, but then I got the xoom on launching day and now I really like them both…so if or when you do it you will appreciate the differences.
I think the Devs have nothing to do with your decision.

I really like the form factor, but performance is an issue with my tab. and with the dev community not really huge, i feel left out of so much with all of these honeycomb tegra2 tablets coming out. I just really feel that Samsung really jumped the gun with the tab. releasing it with no hopes of any real update. Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
Maybe SGT 8.9 if released with similar specs as of the xoom. and reasonably priced

The tegra processors and Honycomb make our tab look outdated already but IMO the differences are not that big unless one expects too much from a tablet; is not going to replace our laptops yet…as for sami updating my hopes are nonexistent. I was in Germany recently when a saw the tab of a friend of mine, phone working etc I turned green . My biggest beef is with the carriers here in the US that crippled the device.

tegra 2 isnt a device without their own problem
like not able to play 720p mkv movies unless it converted on a specific format
that would be a problem to some people
and is there really a lot of app that dual core ready anyway?
afaik, for normal process, only 1 core would work unless there's a need for the 2nd core?
jumping too soon on honeycomb with limited apps wouldnt make that much of a difference either
and did you say saving up? how long? ^^
if it took months, who knows we already got honeycomb or ice cream on the way on our tab?
honeycomb, i doubt, but the next generation for smartphone definitely gonna be ported to our tab IMO
my main interest in this tab is phone capability, so unless there's another contender out there, i'm still gonna keep this one

kenfly said:
Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
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I'm trying to see what trickery Samsung have fooled you with here?
The 7" Tab was sold as an Android 2.2 device, with no promise of a Honeycomb update, and that's what they delivered.
We may, or may not get an official upgrade, which may be Honeycomb, or perhaps Gingerbread, but the Tab is still a very capable and useful device as is IMO. I do believe that we will at least get an unofficial Honeycomb ROM once the source code drops.
None of the upcoming tablets can replace my Tab because they are too big for my purposes, though I may end up getting a bigger tablet purely for home use.
Regards,
Dave

For me its all about size, the 10s are just to big to carry around comfortably. Might as well continue to carry my Dell mini9 laptop. I dont require much from my tab maybe thats why Im happy with the 7.
Remember no matter what you buy it has a good 6 months of obsolescence built in

I think most devs wait for the honeycomb source... no one wants a broken sdk port on an expensive device...
As soon as HC hits aosp I'll contribute developing.

And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.

rangercaptain said:
And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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Agreed. The xoom may be "developer friendly" but it is way too expensive to mess around with.. the galaxy tab gets cheaper and cheaper and will attract more devs too over time.

Why are we comparing the Tab and the Xoom? Two totally different niches. Anyone buying a Tab should know what they are getting, and most that do are getting them for a reason. 7 inches, and a solid product with the full Android Market without having to push it onto the device.
I have three different 7 inch tablets right now (had a 4th, but the Dell Streak 7 is dismal) and the Galaxy Tab is BY FAR the best of the three. The NookColor is fun, and is running dual-boot Honeycomb (port from sdk) and froyo. It's overclocked to 1.1Ghz and is primarily used by my wife as an e-reader (which is what B&N intended), though she likes firing up Angry Birds, etc.
The Archos 70 Internet Tablet is running 2.2.1..and is slim and can handle just about ANY media thrown it's way. Archos is a leader in Media devices, having created the HDD portable Music player before anyone else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos)...including Apple. It's hands down the best for watching movies. However it's flimsy and buggy...Archos sucks at support, truly. Plus, there's not much in the way of accessories for it. I had the 10.1 also...but sold it.
My Tab gets the most use...as I swap my phone's sim into it quite frequently. And it handles pretty much everything I want it to do. Out of the 3, theres no comparison as to my satisfaction.
If I wanted another 10" Tablet...and wanted Honeycomb right now, I STILL would not get the Xoom. I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I want to plunk down $800 on something obviously rushed out of production. Too many things wrong with this early adopter device.
Here's to hoping the incoming 8.9' Galaxy Tab has some of the kinks worked out...cuz I'm gonna pounce on it right away. 10.1" prolly not, the form factor just too large for my usage.

Whatever some people get, they will NEVER be satisfied

hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her

kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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If you bought a tablet based on the dev community then you were wrong to do that in the first place. You buy something for what it is, not what it may be based on some random people messing around with roms.
I can't see how a 10" Xoom could possibly be a replacement for the 7" SGT. One you can carry around with you, use in your car, act as a backup phone, and the other is mostly a stay at home couch device. Personally I think the Xoom is a bit of a let down on things it should be better at - like playing high bitrate movies. SGT blows it away on that score. The SGT build and screen is also very high quality. As good as my iPad 1 (which I've not really touched since the SGT came along. Never mind how I've come to despise the Apple lock-in methodology...).
Honeycomb looks like it will be a great update when the bugs are ironed out, but Froyo (maybe Gingerbread soon) on the SGT currently makes more sense as the device really is closer to a phone than a tablet (and I'm personally happy that it is). Ice Cream Sandwich looks like it will be the natural OS upgrade for this device, as it will combine Honeycomb UI changes with smartphone functionality. Whether Samsung will release it for the SGT in the coming months is anyone's guess, but for now I'm rocking the Tab. For a couch device I'll see what the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is like (hopefully they'll find a fix for the video snafu), but none of the Tegra 2 SoC based tablets are wowing me at the moment.

Bandage said:
hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.

rangercaptain said:
I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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Lol...not mine, she's become a gadget snob. Though she won't admit it, she's glad to be cutting edge. I see it when her girlfriends drool over the cool gadgets she totes around, lmao. We'll go get coffee, and she will look to see who noticed her pretty NookColor while she's reading and surfing the internets.

So you're selling a device because people aren't modding it? IMHO that's a ridiculous reason to sell this amazing piece of tech.
And im guessing one main reason is Honeycomb because, lets face it, its what everyone wants in a tablet. Then why not buy a Nook? You complain lack of development, the Nook Honeycomb port is better than anything they'll ever do with the Xoom.
Still, just my opinion. I'm keeping my Tab until it dies, then ill get another one.
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+1
and..truly one of these days someone WILL put out an Android device that doesn't need modding! Might be 3 years from now...with 8 core cpu & AirWave connectivity (5+TB wireless connection passed through our existing electrical cables that are strung on the poles...or passed through now vacated VHF / UHF signals...yeah, I can dream BIG!)

But you will only be able to get 3g data or 2g+ voice.

Is the A500 really discontinued??????????

I usually look at all the tablets at electronic stores and the last 1-2 weeks I have not seen 1 on display.
Fry's no longer have them on display. Staples and HH Gregg used to have a power display and neither are displaying them also.
Wonder if Acer is just getting ready for the next versions.

I would guess they are clearing them out in hopes of replacing them with ICS versions.
Just my guess, but a lot, I mean a LOT of tablets are at 'fire sale' prices.
Then you got tablets like the Kindle Fire out there that are really cheap.
Now for a look into my Crystal ball, I see data moving to the Cloud. Tablets getting cheaper and cheaper. Apps and the Cloud growing to the point hardware is irrelevant. Tablets will become disposable just like a disposable camera, what's import is the apps and data are on the Cloud.
Now; fast forward 10 years. Everyone will have a data profile that is their personal space. This personal space, is maintained in cyberspace (the cloud or call it skynet ). The Cloud is world wide and can be accessed from just about anywhere on the planet using wireless G5 (huge fast bandwidth). Your phone, your car, your PC, your tablet, your TV all are just vehicles to access your personal cloud. You loose your phone or drop it in the toilet, no big deal. You just turn on your TV and all your data is there, even the email you were in the process of typing when your phone fell in the toilet.
TD

Nice. I hope it's not G5 but instead WiDi or WiMax that takes over. No more phone numbers, data/text caps, and convert voice to voip. Oh and free would be nice too.

antonio8 said:
I usually look at all the tablets at electronic stores and the last 1-2 weeks I have not seen 1 on display.
Fry's no longer have them on display. Staples and HH Gregg used to have a power display and neither are displaying them also.
Wonder if Acer is just getting ready for the next versions.
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I was in 2 best buys today they are all sold out. Crazy.
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Definitely a firesale going on, as tablets move to ICS.
The A500 might also be moving away to be replaced by the equivalent A200.
To give you an idea of the value some stores are giving, I've just ordered my A500, which was the 64GB Unit, for $399 CAN. Which is crazy considering a few weeks ago you'd be paying that for the 8GB or 16GB models.

mswirski said:
Definitely a firesale going on, as tablets move to ICS.
The A500 might also be moving away to be replaced by the equivalent A200.
To give you an idea of the value some stores are giving, I've just ordered my A500, which was the 64GB Unit, for $399 CAN. Which is crazy considering a few weeks ago you'd be paying that for the 8GB or 16GB models.
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Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues. Does anyone remember buying a computer that had Windows 3.1 but was Windows 98 compatible? Or a Windows 98 computer that was Windows XP compatible? These usually don't offer the performance you'll get if you just wait a few months and many really had serious issues.
So, take advantage of the 'fire sale' going on now and you'll get a great tablet with HC that you can use for a long time. Well, at least long enough to wait for vendors to release ICS and work out the bugs.
TD

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Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues. Does anyone remember buying a computer that had Windows 3.1 but was Windows 98 compatible? Or a Windows 98 computer that was Windows XP compatible? These usually don't offer the performance you'll get if you just wait a few months and many really had serious issues.
So, take advantage of the 'fire sale' going on now and you'll get a great tablet with HC that you can use for a long time. Well, at least long enough to wait for vendors to release ICS and work out the bugs.
TD
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This and more of this. People try to buy products that will encourage capability of upgrading, but little do they know, their device will run it very slug like and could frustrate them more than the previous version they had installed.

I picked mine up for $280 with free shipping and no tax. I couldn't be happier with it.
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timmyDean said:
Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues.
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I wonder what makes you think ICS is "totally different" from 2.x or 3.x ?
My understanding is that it is really isn't changing very much of the honeycomb base for tablets, and is instead just merging that with 2.x style support for phones.
In other words, the only growing pains should be the time it takes apps to develop proper ICS apps that adjust based on tablet vs phone. But there shouldn't be any problems running ICS on our hardware, given that it's basically 3.x.
Is there something I missed?

The A500 is going to be replaced by Acer’s A700 Tablet Detailed: Quad-Core Tegra 3 SoC and 1920x1200 Screen. Just do a search on the web for A700

The lifetime of these products is going to be similar to those of cell phones which is 6 months to a year. Maybe a bit longer.
The business model is all about turnaround, planned obsolescence, consumers buying the next hot product, upgrading at every turn, etc. Just look at some of the signatures everyone has with several models of phones, tablets, etc. listed. Seems the economy is tanked yet everyone is buying electronic products at a furious rate (gotta have priorities).
The A500 is not immune to this paradigm.

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The A500 is going to be replaced by Acer’s A700 Tablet Detailed: Quad-Core Tegra 3 SoC and 1920x1200 Screen. Just do a search on the web for A700
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I tried to tell you lot about this a couple of months ago when my sister inlaw(acer employee) told me about a completely new tablet coming out

mswirski said:
I wonder what makes you think ICS is "totally different" from 2.x or 3.x ?
My understanding is that it is really isn't changing very much of the honeycomb base for tablets, and is instead just merging that with 2.x style support for phones.
In other words, the only growing pains should be the time it takes apps to develop proper ICS apps that adjust based on tablet vs phone. But there shouldn't be any problems running ICS on our hardware, given that it's basically 3.x.
Is there something I missed?
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Basically put, ICS has a series of new API's that require more horsepower to run. Running this on a earlier version of chip sets not designed for ICS will be sluggish.
Like I've said, I've been using ICS for over 3 months and it runs like a dog on older equipment. Half the time you think it's hung or locked up.
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irishmoe said:
I tried to tell you lot about this a couple of months ago when my sister inlaw(acer employee) told me about a completely new tablet coming out
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Exactly, follow the money. There is NO money in it. The margins are too tight to spend money and resources on something you've already been paid for. You might not like it, I don't like paying baggage fees at Airports either, but that's the market place.
If you have ever listened to JT (CEO) at ACER and his vision, you'll see exactly what he has told every employee. That ACER's life cycle is 6 months. They plan and build on replacing hardware constantly improving and encouraging customers to upgrade. The second thing, that comes out through him, is the need for ACER to make money on services, the Cloud, and software. Look around and you will see a lot of the tablet MFG's doing the same thing (just like bag fees at airports) they are all doing it.
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Did anyone think since it is the holiday season that may be why they are sold out?
Perhaps Acer did not make enough to keep them in supply or the stores did not order enough.
I doubt they would stop selling just because ICS may be an update.
And I doubt they would stop making the 500 until the 700 is close to being available.
But then it is Acer we are talking about and who knows what their thinking is.

frankws said:
Did anyone think since it is the holiday season that may be why they are sold out?
Perhaps Acer did not make enough to keep them in supply or the stores did not order enough.
I doubt they would stop selling just because ICS may be an update.
And I doubt they would stop making the 500 until the 700 is close to being available.
But then it is Acer we are talking about and who knows what their thinking is.
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Demand is high and they probably did not make enough. But, they also cut back on the A500 production numbers too. So you're probably looking at several reasons. However, the a500, according to ACER personnel has been added to their twilight list. Not sure it twilighted items are 6, 9, or 12 months. It use to mean 12 months with production runs dropping each month after 6.
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I can confirm that they are officially discontinued at Best Buy. They will no longer receive any from Acer. Of course there are some stocks at some stores an distribution centers but once they are gone they are gone.
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cbradberry said:
I picked mine up for $280 with free shipping and no tax. I couldn't be happier with it.
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Where, if you don't mind me asking?
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Discontinued.
Does this mean I have to give up my tablet..Please don't make erica sad. Don't make me cry.
Acer will continue support or will loose so many customers they will be out of business.

timmyDean said:
Basically put, ICS has a series of new API's that require more horsepower to run. Running this on a earlier version of chip sets not designed for ICS will be sluggish.
Like I've said, I've been using ICS for over 3 months and it runs like a dog on older equipment. Half the time you think it's hung or locked up.
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I have to disagree with the statement that ics runs poorly on older devices. I've been running ics without any issues on first generation samsung galaxy s variant for the past couple of months. the speed is one of the main positives with the ics rom. I don't see why a tegra2 based 1gig memory iconia a500 wouldn't be an excellent hardware to go along with ics.

durango99 said:
I have to disagree with the statement that ics runs poorly on older devices. I've been running ics without any issues on first generation samsung galaxy s variant for the past couple of months. the speed is one of the main positives with the ics rom. I don't see why a tegra2 based 1gig memory iconia a500 wouldn't be an excellent hardware to go along with ics.
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i loaded ICS on my Captivate the other day, and I noticed the same thing. If a single core 1Ghz phone with 512mb ram can run it smoothly, why can't a dual core with 1Gb?
The only official specs I can find is that it will be of similar requirements to honeycomb, with a minimum of 512mb ram.

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Trying to get a tab for my upcoming early September b/d but as much as I hate to admit, I get a feeling that I might be better off waiting a few months. I *love* everything I've read on Galaxy Tab 7.7 16gb wifi only so far and would go for one but... I'm guessing it's at the end of its life cycle and there may or may not be another 7.7 v2.0, due to Google stepping into the 7" tabs field. Not to mention that I'm having a hard time finding a reputable Galaxy Tab 7.7 US reseller.
There is also Toshiba Excite 7.7 16gb, which I can get at a discount for under $400. I understand that Toshiba has a locked bootloader and lacks in popularity in general and devs interest as a result. There is also Nexus 7 but build quality issues are major turn off.
So, any thoughts on what's coming/available in the 7" or under 8" tabs field that would fit the bill? Is Galaxy Tab 7.7 wifi only still a good choice or would you wait for a successor at this point?
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If you can wait for IFA, but I would think any new tabs from samsung in this size might debut at CES in january.

If you can wait few more month why not? Actually i'm waiting for Microsoft Surface RT, you can always find better offer in the future ffor gadgets like that.
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+ 1 surface ^^
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ascariss said:
If you can wait for IFA, but I would think any new tabs from samsung in this size might debut at CES in january.
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It's not like I *need* it , it's just I was hoping to have one in time for my b/d. Hate going for my wife's iPad 2 every time I need to quickly look something up.
Looks like Galaxy Tab 7.7 was announced on September 1st of last year at IFA. So, I guess there is a good chance they might do it again this year too. I think I might just have to wait til September to see what will be announced. And even so, it won't mean the immediate availability either. So lacking any other serious and available contenders, and seeing that Toshiba Excite 7.7 sale's over, I think I'm gonna get a 16Gb Nexus 7 in the mean time, hoping I luck out and don't get a defective unit. When and if the new premium devices are announced I'll just sell Nexus 7 and get something else, Galaxy Tab 2 7.7 hopefully. Don't see anything comparable that jumps at me at the moment tbhwy. There is also 7" Huawei which is rather meh.
As far as Windows 8 goes,... nah, I just don't care for the new tile UI. So, I'm gonna pass on Windows 8 tablet. OOT, being a Windows developer but I'm not even sure I'd like to give desktop Windows 8 upgrade a try w/o a start button and all. Just my .02.

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It's not like I *need* it , it's just I was hoping to have one in time for my b/d. Hate going for my wife's iPad 2 every time I need to quickly look something up.
Looks like Galaxy Tab 7.7 was announced on September 1st of last year at IFA. So, I guess there is a good chance they might do it again this year too. I think I might just have to wait til September to see what will be announced. And even so, it won't mean the immediate availability either. So lacking any other serious and available contenders, and seeing that Toshiba Excite 7.7 sale's over, I think I'm gonna get a 16Gb Nexus 7 in the mean time, hoping I luck out and don't get a defective unit. When and if the new premium devices are announced I'll just sell Nexus 7 and get something else, Galaxy Tab 2 7.7 hopefully. Don't see anything comparable that jumps at me at the moment tbhwy. There is also 7" Huawei which is rather meh.
As far as Windows 8 goes,... nah, I just don't care for the new tile UI. So, I'm gonna pass on Windows 8 tablet. OOT, being a Windows developer but I'm not even sure I'd like to give desktop Windows 8 upgrade a try w/o a start button and all. Just my .02.
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There are more reasons for getting a Windows 8 tablet if you buy for your b/d, and you should even get the Surface 8 Pro rather than RT for running native Intel applications. I'm not a pro-MS but when they do something good we should attend to it, like kinect.
Regarding the UI, what else can they do when Apple patented round rectangular? :crying: Joking aside, have you gone to a Nokia shop and try out that edgy UI in Lumia? It is surprisingly intuitive and maneuverable. Of course, if you are looking for devices that run Android apps, you may forget to take Surface into consideration :fingers-crossed:

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There are more reasons for getting a Windows 8 tablet if you buy for your b/d, and you should even get the Surface 8 Pro rather than RT for running native Intel applications. I'm not a pro-MS but when they do something good we should attend to it, like kinect.
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I don't actually have a kinect add-on for my Xbox. Sorry, but I just can't stand Win8 tiles interface. :silly: I know MS had to come up with something different but it's just not for me. Being a PC guy I know I'm gonna be forced to use it down the road but I think I'm gonna stick to Win7 for now. If anything, I'm more interested in Android development and tablets in particular. Just wish I had more free time. Need a tablet for that too.

Impact of Nexus 10 on third-party Tablet makers?

I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?

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I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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Arent there already 4 models of the Transformer out now?
If anything Id expect 3rd party people to step up their game and not make anymore ****ty spec'ed tablets. Its time to move to the newest hardware.

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Arent there already 4 models of the Transformer out now?
If anything Id expect 3rd party people to step up their game and not make anymore ****ty spec'ed tablets. Its time to move to the newest hardware.
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Yeah I agree, we may not see alot of tablets comign out with the screen res that the n10 has i'd expect alot of tablet with the 1920x1080 screen in the transformer infinity. I think most makers will wait for the tegra 4 processor to come out before we see anything substantial being released, I'd say the N10 will be the master of the domain for at least 6 months.

well i beleive we will see new processors ,the tegra 3 is obvious a medium choice for tablets cpu.
i believe we will see tablets with s4 pro ,exynos cpu and 2gb ram as untill now 1 gb is standard ,for resolution i believe may devs will own a nexus 10 so many apps will go up to nexus 10 resolution in the near future and so new tablets will have the same as nexus 10.
the only thing that i find a little disturbing on nexus is the missing sd slot so new tabs may have a future over nexus 10 ...

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I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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This will definitely put some serious price pressure on the 10-inchers. It's pretty well known that the BOM on the Samsung Note 10.1 is $260, and they have been selling it for $200 over cost. So now the N10 comes out, and the 16gb model has to be sold pretty near cost -- you can compare features and prices with the iPad BOM, and the total has to be pretty close to the msrp. My point is that, as with the N7, Google is shaving margins pretty thin, and competitors will have to follow suit -- even mighty Apple
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Yeah I agree, we may not see alot of tablets comign out with the screen res that the n10 has i'd expect alot of tablet with the 1920x1080 screen in the transformer infinity. I think most makers will wait for the tegra 4 processor to come out before we see anything substantial being released, I'd say the N10 will be the master of the domain for at least 6 months.
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It looks like March will be a big month for tablet fans. The Samsung Galaxy S4, with Exynos 5450, is expected. Surely it would be easier to drop that SoC on a tablet, N10-derived or not, as they already have the experience with the 5250, so I would expect tablets to arrive around the same time. T40 is scheduled for Q1 as well, so we may see some interesting head-to-head competition CES, in two months, will shed a lot of light on what to expect in Q1 2013.
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I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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Pretty sure the new Note tablet will be built on the experiences of the old and the Nexus 10.
A 12" 2600k tab with Exynos 5450, 8-core Mali T604 and S-Pen magic, if you can wait 6 months and get an additional $100, you'll be in for a treat. (the 10+" screen is wishful thinking, but isn't that the Samsung way? The next big thing).

Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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Apple will get a run for its money.
Way to go Google :good:

jdog2115 said:
Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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They will always have a large flock of sheep, but it won't be a larger crowd for long. There is going to be a lag between the growth of Android tablets shipped and the growth of quality apps -- as developers are drawn to the platform and have to train up -- but as Android users takes the biggest slice of the market, the maturity of both hardware and software development will improve.
Apple's problem is attracting new customers; they may be selling more tablets, but many are to existing users.
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Pretty sure the new Note tablet will be built on the experiences of the old and the Nexus 10.
A 12" 2600k tab with Exynos 5450, 8-core Mali T604 and S-Pen magic, if you can wait 6 months and get an additional $100, you'll be in for a treat. (the 10+" screen is wishful thinking, but isn't that the Samsung way? The next big thing).
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As much as I crave the N10, I feel I'll be happier in the long-term waiting for the next big thing. Besides, I think my budget Lenovo A2109 is a great tab. My guess is that it compares poorly even in performance, but I just bought it a couple months ago, so I can bask in the upgrade for a while longer .

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Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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So, going 16:9 on the iPhone isn't budging? The very existence of the iPad mini?
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