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Kite UI - Coherent User interface *Thread update* 2010-12-01

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The kite UI project was created to provide Android users with a beautiful homescreen. It's key features is the coherent minimal design, the access to the most daily functions from the home screen and the smooth jump from it to the different applications.
The kite UI is built off of a pretty simple idea:
You have 2-3 views in every app. Flicking left from the middle view will bring you to the right view and vice versa. While you are in the right view, for instance the 'social' view, you can dig deeper by pressing on a friend. If you want to move backwards in this view all you do is flick right. If you are in the left view you move backwards by flicking left.
Simply put, when you're going deeper within a certain view you move further away from the middle. Moving closer to the middle equals moving backwards until ultimately your on the first 'level' of the view.
Video Teaser: Watch in 720p.
Homescreen example
The 3 'boxes' on the bottom of the screen, which show were you are, also acts like the app launcher. However, depending on which page you are currently viewing it brings up different menus. On the homescreen it brings up all apps while it on the social page brings up apps that are directly related to social medias like twitter, facebook, flickr.
Here are some concept promos.
kite User Interface:
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home
social
web
Bundled applications:
applications & settings
phone
messaging
music
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*Updated* 2010-12-01 - Video teaser.
Finished the video showcase of the user interface. I'm currently too tired to update the thread or answer PMs and questions on the thread but I will try to get to that on the train to/from school tomorrow.
Video Teaser: Watch in 720p.
Enjoy!
*Updated* 2010-10-20 - Development goes on....
First of all I would like to clarify some things about this project.
Kite UI is not a theme, it is a completely new and unique User Interface. It will be available for Devices with the resolution 480x800 (and up) running Android 2.1 (and up).
We are really appreciative to all the interest that has been shown. However, with all due respect I must say that finding PMs like "can i plz test it" in my inbox is rather annoying.
If you have some serious skills that could be useful in development, feel free to PM me.
Back to the UI then. I recently got a new idea of how the interface should work and I have also altered the views slightly (to the better). This means that some of the pictures in this post is more or less obsolete, even though they still give you a good idea of what it is all about.
I will go into further detail about what is changed in the near future.
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If this thread is a little scarce on updates don't worry. It is simply because what is currently going on "behind the scenes" is more or less boring dev stuff.
*Updated* 2010-09-28 - Development has started.
Alright, so we have now started the actual developing of the UI. We are however, still in need of a few more coders for this project. Specifically coders with experience within programming on the Android Home API. To apply for the team, simply send me a PM.
As far as testers go we do have a test leader, but we have yet to decide who else is going to be on the testing team.
Audio and additional graphics designers are not needed at the time being, but might be asked to join in the future.
*Updated* 2010-09-26 - Rewritten presentation, list removed from post.
And yes, I got some inspiration from the HTC1 concept but this idea wasn't initiated by it. What was inspired by the HTC1 concept was the implementation of Flickr pics in the friend stream and how the clock and weather was done as one single widget. However I think we all can agree the end result of my clock look almost nothing like the original HTC1.
I stated this a couple of posts ahead but I guess I should've written this in the original post.
*Updated* 2010-09-20 - Teaser Promos.
If you are on the list of devs (language excluded) expect to be notified by PM sometime this week.
*Updated* 2010-09-17 - Ratio Changes, Redone art and New art.
Alright, I got some explaining to do so I'll go right ahead. I was supposed to look into the actuall developing of the UI at the end of August, but unfortunately I didn't. I'm not going to go into detail about why but it was a mix of school and prolonged work which left me with very little spare time to do much else.
Anyway, enough with the excuses. The last couple of days I've been doing some changes to the concept art. For some (stupid) reason I decided to use a resolution of 640x960px when this was first started, however that is now changed to 480x800 (hdpi). When I changed the ratio I also did some minor changes to all views, some was completely redone and some new where added.
This project is however still in concept art stage. Other than the ratio changes and some new views - done the last couple of days - the development has been at a complete standstill.
However this is about to change. Even though I go to college and study pretty much I will from now on focus my spare time on this. The list below has been modified with some new interesting people but to make sure the team doesn't get too big I will try to make it shorter in the following days.
Developers will be picked based on experience and how much time you can spare in a week.
Testers will be chosen based on devices, spare time and when they 'signed up' and if more testers are needed then we will work our way down the list. This means that if you are on the list you are not yet guaranteed to be on the team.

uhm..I very like this idea.....
pm me if you want someone

That weather/clock widget is amazing.

Interesting concept. Wish I had some skills to help you.

Bump! *updated* 2010-07-31
New Screens and more specifik descriptions of the project. I thought I might have been a bit unclear the first time...

I could help with some of the coding. I'm not a android dev god, but i can do some decent coding, and if i don't know how to do it i'll find out
If i can join i'll be ready to work on saturday, because i'm on vacation until then

I like the silky smooth white look you're going for, I love designing UI's as well

This looks epic, I'd be glad to beta test when that time comes. Unfortunately, I have no coding skill at all (I had meant to start learning Java over the summer but I've been lazy), but again, this looks promising, and a great way to keep Android fresh for older phones that won't get official updates to Eclair or FroYo (let along Gingerbread/3.0). Excellent graphic design.

I'm wouldn't be able to build it... but I'd sure be glad to give feedback/test it all

WOW! i really like this it's very nice hopefully it's fast 2
i would rly like to test it if it's in beta fase.

Will test when ready for testing. Sign me up.

Wow looks good. Wish I had coding skills! Would love to test this
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Sign me up for testing!
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I've recently been working on some simple designs for a Coherent User Interface for Android and I thought I'd start with explaining why I first decided to start with my sketches for this project for a UI.
(Should you not be interested in why - just scroll down to the /// mark and read about/look at the interface as of yet)
The first time I used an Android phone for more than 5 minutes was earlier this summer. The first thing I realised was that I liked the phone itself, which was my brothers htc Hero, but I also liked the feature of SenseUI. The apps being accessible trough widgets 'on the homescreen' rather than trough a list of apps with respective icons (like the iphone) was the key benefit for me.
However something bothered me with the SenseUI. First of I dont like the design of the greyish 'console' on the bottom of the screen and I would much rather have a design that fits the background picture better. I must however say that I respect the customization abilities, but unfortunately the problem with this feature is that it looks like those widgets where put in last minute without any respect for the rest of the UI - it doesn't feel cohesive.
Enough complaining. To the point!
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I wanted a UI with a simplistic design that makes the beautiful background picture fit perfectly with everything else that I might interact with. I also wanted to keep the benefit of having everything accessible from the homescreen (rather than forcing me to an ugly app list).
So the challenge here was to incorporate the most daily functions with the homescreen and its background picture and make everything look cohesive and thought trough, rather than last minute, while keeping a simplistic yet beautiful design.
I'm calling this project kiteUI to begin with. The UI is much like SenseUI in the way that you swipe back and forth between pages, however the pages are dedicated to the most daily uses in order to maintain that consistant look.
This overview pic shows how the 'pages' relate to eachother
Here are the screenshots with descriptions for the current graphics.
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Home
Web
Search
Social
Apps
Settings
The apps/games/settings list (lvl2) is not necessarily a part of the UI itself. It's rather a replacement for the current standard app list. The important thing about this project is to maintain that coherent look all throught the usual apps, wether it is the UI itself or a complimentary app list or phone app.
However, the switch from the kiteUI to the app list, or any other standard app for that matter, should feel as natural as when swiping back and forth between the pages (lvl1, see overview pic).
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This is very early on in the project though so there's obviously going to be some major bumps on the road.
1st - I will not use an Android phone 'for real' until the middle of August. Untill then the android emulator will be more than fine.
2nd - My skills are pretty much limited to graphic design and this is why I'm reaching out to coders, programmers, cookers (even beta testers, not yet though) that might find this interesting.
Programmers/Coders - Will take on the challenge of making the UI (or rather the widgets) itself and the new style app list.
Cookers - Will help make the ROM that uses the latest Android version with the kiteUI, app list, and all the reskinned standard apps.
I myself will do the designs for the UI and all the app list but also the reskinning of all the standard apps (and probably more).
I do not think this has to be so radical that we create a program from nothing. As I said I'm no programmer but I do believe that you could base the main kiteUI off of the standard Android interface source code but with obviously different layouts, graphics, animations and actions.
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Do you find this interesting? Do you want to be a part of this? Do you have any skills that might come in handy?
Then send me a PM or feel free to share your opinions and thoughts below.
Thanks!
*updated* 2010-07-31
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Ill cook it in. Pm me a link, and ill work my magic on it. I can theme it, cook it in, and manipulate stuff.
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Awesome concept...
Hope this one is going to make it
Would love to test, too

Che123 said:
Awesome concept...
Hope this one is going to make it
Would love to test, too
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It will make it. If i cook it into jdfroyo, it should make it.
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jdkoreclipse said:
It will make it. If i cook it into jdfroyo, it should make it.
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I hope so.
Unfortunally I have seen many nice concepts here, which never were impemented

*updated* 2010-08-02
Thats very true - most concepts, no matter what they concern, never make it to reality. However I'm willing to put alot of effort into this project. As you can see my concept art are pretty much final and already covers the main features.
Whats left other than finalizing the rest of the concept art is saving the "screenies" as resource pngs (or similiar type) and that's the easies part of it all.
For obvious reasons though, I'm not willing to put my whole spare time into this unless I know I've got some help on the other parts of this project. However since I now know that we have a programmer, cooker and some beta testers onboard I'm going to keep going with the 'concept art'. It's good to know that this is going somewhere.
For the time being I must however ask for a little patience. I quit my summer job at the end of this week and from that time on I'm pretty much free every evening.
From now on I'm going to make a list of the people willing to help out on this project in the original thread post and update it as often as possible. As soon as your help is needed you will me PM'd. To 'sign up' express your interest below...

I know i stated this before, bit i am good at cooking roms. I can also do some themeing, and some programming if need be. Pm anytime if need be
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nice im tester
I have an galaxy spica i5700 samdroid mod 800mhz mdpi 32x480 android 2.1-update1
i you have a working apk plz pm me.

[Theming] Swype.apk and MMS.apk ideas?

I know I am new to the Android Modding world and these forums and all, but today I finally figured out how to make a 9 patch PNG image quite easily. I was playing around with RandomKing's Modified Transparent MMS.apk and his Blue Swype.apk today to get it to look more like I would want it on my device.
This brings me to wondering what other people would like to see in these to .apks and far as theming goes. I am going to totally revamp the Swype Keyboard with the font that is used in RandomKings Hawk v.2 ROM as well as change the look of the buttons, colors, etc. side note: I tried playing with transparency of the swype keyboard a bit to mimic the transparent MMS, but there is the other 'keyboards' behind that image. IIRC it is the 'shift' version of w/e active keyboard.
For the MMS.apk, I am looking to make more color options, bubble styles and some gradiesnts'borders/glow instead of solid transparent colors.
I have been given the 'go' by random as I understood as long as I credit his original modifications.
I have no idea to code or compile a .zip to install and all that stuff, so these will be just the .apks that you will need to replace. ( I have done this already with my Swype.apk and MMS.apk about 20 times, haha)
Brings me to my next area of biniss... What would YOU guys like to see as far as themes go? I will probably do a few variants (colors) of one or two major styles.
Personally, I am all about dark themes, but i know everyone has their preference's
So, post up, throw in some ideas, ask questions.. I will NOT be taking donations or charging for ANYTHING, ever..
It took me a while to find out how to get this 9 patch stuff working and I almost lost hope when I saw that you had to use Eclipse (which i am NOT ready to learn) but now I found a MUCH easier way. I can do a tutorial and compile everything you need for this also if i have enough requests.
EDIT: you can choose as many or as little choices in the poll as you would like. If you don't see something you want, post it in the thread. I will try to keep on top of the comments in this thread, but I am going to start working on it right now.

I'm a fan of dark themes myself, and I really like the froyo AOSP theme with the white status bar. Do you think you can make a theme I've been thinking of for awhile I have a lot of ideas nd icons you can use?

Wp7 bubbles on mms?
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I'm just excited you showed up! Make the background transparent.

Pm me I'll help you do the zip scripting.easy peasy.
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just started all the mms bubbles from scratch.. not exactly the look i was going for but here is 1 hr of work..
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Ooh I got a great idea
Make swype full transparent
except for the line and add it a changeable theme to nexus swype
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as i said before, i dont think the way the swype keyboards overlay that the transparency will work. i will have to look into it a bit more though.
here is a little more playing and refining with different colors.. i think the slight borders will look nice and the transparency on the bubbles is about right. i think making them a little more transparent will be nice for people with dark wallpapers, but might get a little busy/ugly looking with people with lighter wallpapers that have a ton going on, like so VVV
let me know what you guys think about the general button look so far.
@tpike, sending PM in a moment, really appreciate the offer to help a n00b like myself.
background of the MMS is already slightly transparent, what you see in the background is my wallpaper.
@gtuansdiamm, show me exactly what you are looking for and I can try to make something for you.. and let me know what colors you would like.
again, I just figured out how to get these patch 9 dealios to work today, so don't be to critical I love these things now.. SOOO easy.. created, edited, patched and compiled 12 pngs in ~1hr. not to bad!!!
I will try to make a camstudio video tutorial on how to create a patch 9 from scratch. I just downloaded it and had an issue, so ill try again tomm. Starting to be a huge PITA looking at this screen also. I have my computer hooked up to my 52" rear projection TV right now .. my eyes hate me..

turbosocks said:
as i said before, i dont think the way the swype keyboards overlay that the transparency will work. i will have to look into it a bit more though.
here is a little more playing and refining with different colors.. i think the slight borders will look nice and the transparency on the bubbles is about right.
let me know what you guys think about the general button look so far.
@tpike, sending PM in a moment, really appreciate the offer to help a n00b like myself.
background of the MMS is already slightly transparent, what you see in the background is my wallpaper.
@gtuansdiamm, show me exactly what you are looking for and I can try to make something for you.. and let me know what colors you would like.
again, I just figured out how to get these patch 9 dealios to work today, so don't be to critical I love these things now.. SOOO easy.. created, edited, patched and compiled 12 pngs in ~1hr. not to bad!!!
I will try to make a camstudio video tutorial on how to create a patch 9 from scratch. I just downloaded it and had an issue, so ill try again tomm. Starting to be a huge PITA looking at this screen also. I have my computer hooked up to my 52" rear projection TV right now .. my eyes hate me..
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That looks pretty cool. That blue is pretty close to what I was thinking for HCFE mms in the update.

I would like left blue and right black
And the shape of the bubbles like the ones in the crappy low res picture I gave
Thanks for taking the time
xda app now has ty button so I'll do that too
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^^ ill try to get on that this weekend if i get a chance..
heres the start to my re-vamp'd keyboard for swype, im not just coloring it, i am re-designing the buttons and using the smooth font in RandomKings ROM.
the 14 different pngs for the keyboard will keep me budy for a while, but since i will be saving PSDs of each one, i will be able to fully customize colors and the look of the button (bevel, shadow, etc.) quickly and save them all to PNG, recompile apk and voila, new swype look in less than an hour...
i can also post any PSDs i create for those interested in taking this on themselves as long as you credit me with the PSDs

This Is looking good dude!
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thanks.. I think I am going to add some subtle gradient to the button itself, but not so its to flashy and eye burning.. not quite like the dark horse theme with the glassy look, more subtle.
I am going to keep the .psds so i can easily modify the look of the buttons if someone wants something different. these PSDs are going to end up being like 100 layers a piece.. at least the layout of PT and LS are pretty much the same for the button layout!
For the MMS, I am also going to try to modify the look of the top 'contact background' and the compose line background to match the respective theme.

alright!! sorry for the week or so hiatus!! I HAVE been trying to find time to work on this..
I just spent a couple hours getting the 9 patch tutorial together and posted that up.
I started working on an Actual theme that should be complete by tuesday. This will be a blue/black theme with gradients.. the send message for example will have a blue top/ black bottom and the receive will be black top/blue bottom. the shades of blue will differ slightly. This should cover the blue/black theme. The bubbles will be slightly transparent and less transparent when pressed.
Some other theme mods will include the 'NEW MESSAGE background, text input background, contact header background (within message stream) contact PRESS background within overall message area, the 'slide for call and message' (left and right) will be darkened slightly to more match the theme.
Next up will be continuing to work on the Swype theme to match the blue/black theme. After everything is complete, creating new themes based on these will be a cake walk..
There hasn't been many votes, but as of right now i will be doing the following themes for MMS and Swype.
Blue/Black
Gray/Black
Purple/Pink
Green/Black
I will be modifying a script and such so these can be installed via a .zip flash and WILL test it on a few phones before I post it up.
Hope you guys enjoy! and I hope this will continue to go decent so I can continue to theme other apps!!

here is what i currently have with my black/blue theme. any opinions?

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here is what i currently have with my black/blue theme. any opinions?
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I want this.
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can you toss in a transparent background?

It looks amazing
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Avelnan said:
Phones are going to come to life someday. Take note: LG Optimus line. ASUS Transformer. And now the Nexus Prime.
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Can this mms be available soon?
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The Root said:
I want this.
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That's hot! I hope someone does it.
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Android Market 3.1.3

Anyone else tried android market 3.1.3 on there Xoom?
It seems like go to google has resigned it to run on tablets. It runs so much better than the old version.
Download it from the link below
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/08/23/download-android-market-3-1-3-adds-1-for-apps-and-games-pin-number-for-purchases-and-more/

your link is messed.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-and-games-pin-number-for-purchases-and-more/
I like it. I hope it fixes the various tablet market bugs.

Although this is a market update for the phone Android OS just like the past few updates, and not for the tablet OS... it seems to work pretty well and it looks decent on the Xoom. At least having the ability to comment and rate things is good to know that you can have just like normal.
The only real thing I see wrong is when you go into 'My Apps', clearly it is not optimized for larger screens. Aside from that, it operates just the same as the phone OS market. Clean, fast, and looks pretty good as well even on a larger screen. It's useable.
In conclusion, I uninstalled this after a very short test run out of curiosity. I would much rather keep the Honeycomb market app.

Well, I can say its definitely optimised for tablets. I'm guessing this will be the next version for tablets.
Here's a few reasons why.
Did you try the old mobile apk? The whole UI was blown up to fit the screen. Whereas this has. Dual panel setup you see in many Honeycomb apps.
You have a tablet specific section.
When you purchase an app you get a pop-up window to confirm your purchase. just like the original honeycomb version.
Yes I know My apps section looks like it needs work doing to it but I think it's Beta that got leaked.
To me it's a huge improvement from the the original honeycomb version.

I want to try it, but i have a completely stock Xoom, so my question is can i uninstall it with "Uninstall updates"?

Installing from the link in the second post did not upgrade my current market, it will install it additionally. I have both versions installed.
Works and looks great! I like the pin lock feature (wish all apps had that) and the ability to review.

Kas206 said:
Well, I can say its definitely optimised for tablets. I'm guessing this will be the next version for tablets.
Here's a few reasons why.
Did you try the old mobile apk? The whole UI was blown up to fit the screen. Whereas this has. Dual panel setup you see in many Honeycomb apps.
You have a tablet specific section.
When you purchase an app you get a pop-up window to confirm your purchase. just like the original honeycomb version.
Yes I know My apps section looks like it needs work doing to it but I think it's Beta that got leaked.
To me it's a huge improvement from the the original honeycomb version.
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I wouldn't doubt it if this was the next update for the tablet, after all... this design/setup was inspired from the tablet market anyways. The Honeycomb tablets started coming out and then then phone OS market got an entire UI revamp not long after that to match the new high quality market we got from Honeycomb. It's all a part of the puzzle that will ultimately unite the tablet and the phone as one with Ice Cream Sandwich. They will both end up sharing a similar or the same exact high quality market app when ICS debuts no doubt. Thus, you will be left with one market that works and scales correctly in high def on both devices. Looking forward to seeing that!
Funny thing though... people think that having one OS on both devices sounds like we are going backwards in technology, aka the iPhone and iPad are the same device in reality... one is just larger. But, that is not the case with Android and ICS. It will be a high def OS that works together on both phones and tablets, and will scale the same high def quality on all screen sizes. ICS will be a perfect OS with great high quality designed to unite both devices, instead of having a phone... and then an oversized phone that doesn't make calls.
Silly Apples... you can only get away with that junk for so long until the public starts to realize that they are being ripped off by trying to pass off a giant phone as a tablet. At least Android knows what it's doing with the introduction of Honeycomb back in February. The only devices that can truly be labeled as a tablet must be running a tablet specific OS in the first place... aka, Honeycomb. Otherwise, they are indeed known as a giant phone that does not make calls by default.
I said all that just because I wanted to think out loud... lol.

Anyone know how to install the new market and have it set as the only market? Meaning how do we du,p the ols one so it never opens and doesn't show in the app drawer?
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patass said:
Anyone know how to install the new market and have it set as the only market? Meaning how do we du,p the ols one so it never opens and doesn't show in the app drawer?
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if you're not rooted you will not be able to remove the stock market

anybody who said this was tablet optimized needs to slap himself. this app is clearly not optimized for honeycomb

p-slim said:
anybody who said this was tablet optimized needs to slap himself. this app is clearly not optimized for honeycomb
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It really looks optimized on my Xoom. Want a picture as proof?

Vistaus said:
It really looks optimized on my Xoom. Want a picture as proof?
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Why would I need proof, i own a xoom and can see for myself exactly what it looks like. Open up "my apps" and tell me that's honeycomb optimized. Also I don't see a "featured tablet apps " section, so what in gods name makes you think this is tablet optimized, just because the main screen fits, smh?
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i see a featured tablet section. And I am rooted, I just dont see where the old market stuff is.

p-slim said:
Why would I need proof, i own a xoom and can see for myself exactly what it looks like. Open up "my apps" and tell me that's honeycomb optimized. Also I don't see a "featured tablet apps " section, so what in gods name makes you think this is tablet optimized, just because the main screen fits, smh?
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Dude, calm down. This CLEARLY has some tablet optimizations. There is a lot of two-column stuff going on, ActionBar support. It runs great on my phone and my tablet. This is exactly how ICS is going to work, and it is good to see Google doing this kind of development before ICS hits.

p-slim said:
Why would I need proof, i own a xoom and can see for myself exactly what it looks like. Open up "my apps" and tell me that's honeycomb optimized. Also I don't see a "featured tablet apps " section, so what in gods name makes you think this is tablet optimized, just because the main screen fits, smh?
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I'm sorry that your opinion is wrong. Lol!

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I'm sorry that your opinion is wrong. Lol!
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My opinion isn't wrong, sorry you feel that app is FULLY optimized for your xoom when it isn't. Yeah some features are looking good on the xoom but not all. The app is the same on my xoom and everyone else's. Unless you're asking that stupid question if we did anything other then install app, again. Only on xda do people think FULLY OPTIMIZED means some honeycomb features, obviously when anyone clicks on my apps you instantly can see this app isn't meant for honeycomb. This isn't an argument as anyone can clearly see that part of the app isn't correct
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My Apps looks fine here. It doesn't integrate really with the rest of the market, but it looks fine.
But more important: the rest of the market is optimized. I don't see any part that looks wrong (only a search bar bug, but that's it).

Here are some comparison screenshots. You can definitely see the changes.
3.1.3 On top
3.0.26 At the bottom
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Market
Hey guys, this looks interesting as I have the Htc Desire and my market on there has been replaced with one that look exactly like the pics that have been posted. I didn't update it manually it just changed.....is this right? My Desire has not been rooted or flashed in anyway. It shows build version 3.1.3
My Mrs has the Htc Desire too and her market as not changed.....
Also when I go on the marketplace on my XOOM and search for an app, the results may say 'found 50 Apps' but it doesn't display any where near that many...do I need to upgrade my marketplace...?
Thanks in Advance.....

How would you want the Android 4.0 (ICS) update to look like? -Rumor Update-

Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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If it's really true, I'm very excitedly happy. Yay for stock Android

- New timescape version (might include timescape for application)
- Apps & Widget manager
- New music players
- More bloatwares
- Hopefully camera will be fixed
- System running faster

what happen to the camera?

Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.

XperienceD said:
Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.
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I hope we do manage to get it rooted with locked bootloaders because after that, making it stock is easy

-Camera compression
-Shortcuts for notification site, to add music player, power control shortcuts
-New home launcher...
-better support for liveview
-wi fi connection
-faster scrolling in menu, switch from first to last app. list faster.like moving finger on dots beyond apps
-"xBass" pls. make this > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106197 I'd appreciate it, really. f* xloud, it doesnt change max loudness.

I don't think SE is that dumb to change the whole appearance of ICS lol..
why would they even do that? maybe a little touch to make it more attractive than the others but why would they make it into a TS UI? LOL makes no sense to me as the holographic engine of the ICS FW is so damn awesome & sleek :O

I think it would be great if sony put its touch in the interface while keeping it ICS
look in general.

Camera compression is the only adjustment I care about. Make it better or lose a customer

Full blown SE customization.
Stock android is boring (at least for me)

- Hardware accelerated graphics -> smooth, lag-free scrolling and navigation !

Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess

I like se one over stock gingerbread .but ice cream?iam not sure
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I hope and think SE will combine their amazing UI design skills
with ICS.
ICS is not so beautiful everywhere however I think - I really do! - that some ICS UI elements are actually inspired by SE.
SE has the best UI on smartphones IMO.

I like ICS home launcher, but I also like SE's home launcher, so I hope to have the functionality of SE Home launcher with the stock launcher + SE theme.
I like some of SE functionality also like Facebook inside Xperia.
but there's things I hate, SE must, and must and MUST do something regarding it...
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
2- The Home launcher & browser both should be Hardware accelerated, and Home launcher should be loaded in Memory all the time, and make the browser have this option also.

Xajel said:
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
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One of ics new features is disabling any system app so it looks like we won't have an issue
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jtc42 said:
Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess
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Erm, you've got to be joking?!! The Google ICS image on the right looks like a cluttered, cramped and confusing mess. The SE image on the left is clear and simple. Also look at that pointless big grey bar at the bottom of the screen on ICS - what an absolute waste of screen space.
I also absolutely hate the way ICS on the Galaxy Nexus wastes screen space for those pointless software Android buttons. Slimline tactile buttons as on the Xperias are a superior solution.
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doomed151 said:
Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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I'm not sure whether you can already do this or not in ICS, but I think there should be a way to add labels to pages in your app tray. I see Google has added tabs for "Apps" and "Widgets", but I think this is a pointless change. I don't need a Widget tab, nor do I want an Android Market tab (it's there for no other reason than Goog£€ making sure to promote its ridiculous 30% cut on app sales). What I would like is the ability to create custom tabs to group my apps (or, alternatively, the ability to create folders) in the app tray. Ironically, Google have moved to SE-style side scrolling for apps, but with custom tabs vertical scrolling would actually look better!
I would also like companies like SE to neuter Google's power a bit more. I simply do not trust Google (I think it is becoming too big, powerful and "big brother" like) and would like SE to add features such as the making it more configurable what data Google receive, and reduce the dependency on Google services.
I also wish SE would stop forcing Facebook on users, and allow users to remove the Facebook app and all Facebook features - not only is the Facebook app badly written and a CPU and battery hog (which runs in the background even if you sign out), Facebook is another company that I do not trust at all.

I have to agree with Paul. I'm not a big fan of the ICS UI. I particularly don't care for the soft buttons at the bottom of the screen. I prefer a clean, simple look. Albiet I haven't used a true ICS ROM, but I have flashed ICS themed ROMS and don't like it all. Call me a creature of habit, but I have no plans of installing ICS when it's finally released.
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I forget to say,
1- Add support for USB-OTG Mass Storage, and please for any newer phones, even if you will add large internal memory ( like 16GB ) add also a microSD slot, it's a must, and AFAIK missing the microSD will mean no USB-OTG Mass Storage...
2- Support WiFi Direct

I don't know if you're aware, but when ICS comes to the arc, or any other device with buttons, the soft buttons are disabled and it functions as normal.
Also the ICS themes for 2.3 are not at all a fair indication of the user experience. Most of the joy of ICS is its the first version of android with some degree of descent UI consistency.
I agree, the SE overlay is the best android 2.3 interface around. But android 2.3 UI sucked, it was a mess of aged, inconsistent graphics design. Sony took it and built an aged looking but more consistent UI design. Google have actually gone and made a stock UI in ICS that looks stylish enough to stand out in this world of simple, modern interface design.
But as I said, each to their own I guess I for one will be updating as soon as possible, ICS brings so many great new features to the table, as long as Sony doesn't spoil them, I think it's going to be a great update
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Well, now that it's out, what's your pick? LolliSense or GPE

Now that Sense with 5.0.1 is out, I'm curious to hear what people think about both versions.
My thoughts on GPE
- Love the look and animations
- Amazing dialer
- Smaller notification icons and nav bar
- Silent mode not for everyone but I like it.
Sense 6 with 5.0.1
- Lockscreen is great
- Quick settings are decent
- Dialer is still pretty bad
- Lock screen full screen album cover, that was a nice surprise
- Audio and Camera quality much better.
- Feels like the L look still needs to be implemented better (probably saved for Sense 7)
- WiFi still often disconnects for me at home and at the office.
Battery life to me seems a bit better on GPE but

I cant choose between them because im unable to pay for s-off but if i could choose gpe was my choice for sure
Faster updates better dialer better ram managment and apps will open faster also better batterry life and more materialsed ui are the things that made me choose this (i think sense 6 with lolipop is very ugly because its only an attemp to fast update.Sense 6 with kitkat is a way better than that)

pedyvirus said:
I cant choose between them because im unable to pay for s-off but if i could choose gpe was my choice for sure
Faster updates better dialer better ram managment and apps will open faster also better batterry life and more materialsed ui are the things that made me choose this (i think sense 6 with lolipop is very ugly because its only an attemp to fast update.Sense 6 with kitkat is a way better than that)
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Sense 7 with L will be far better I agree. Right now it's OK but you can tell it needs more work. Some parts of the UI are still pure Sense, some are a mix, smart lock is pure GPE. I think it's a good effort from HTC and it's promising but as it is today, I don't know, nice enough for me not to go right back to GPE, but

Nic2112 said:
Sense 7 with L will be far better I agree. Right now it's OK but you can tell it needs more work. Some parts of the UI are still pure Sense, some are a mix, smart lock is pure GPE. I think it's a good effort from HTC and it's promising but as it is today, I don't know, nice enough for me not to go right back to GPE, but
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Lollisense with GPE Dialler

Nic2112 said:
Sense 7 with L will be far better I agree. Right now it's OK but you can tell it needs more work. Some parts of the UI are still pure Sense, some are a mix, smart lock is pure GPE. I think it's a good effort from HTC and it's promising but as it is today, I don't know, nice enough for me not to go right back to GPE, but
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To me the GPe just has too many faults the nav bar icons are horrible the Camera app is bad the Gallery is bad the default music player is bad. the contact list is bad the multi tasking app switcher has no clear all. All the above features in Sense 6 are what make this phone what it is. The GPe should have been left to Samsung / Motorola devices.

clsA said:
To me the GPe just has too many faults the nav bar icons are horrible the Camera app is bad the Gallery is bad the default music player is bad. the contact list is bad the multi tasking app switcher has no clear all. All the above features in Sense 6 are what make this phone what it is. The GPe should have been left to Samsung / Motorola devices.
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Very good points although I don't see the need to clear out the recent list but that's based on my usage of course. The camera app is bad, it was horrible and they improved it to a "bad", still a long ways to go.

clsA said:
To me the GPe just has too many faults the nav bar icons are horrible
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An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it

thebobmannh said:
An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it
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Aah come on This is 10x better ( I was looking for a pic with the grayscale theme)
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than these GPE

thebobmannh said:
An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it
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For me it's the notification bar that bugs me, I do like that they are animated but by the time you have WiFi, Blue tooth and head set connected, that's almost a full row if icons that without Rood and XPosed you can't get rid of. GPE are much smaller and cleaner.

exocetdj said:
Lollisense with GPE Dialler
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How did you manage to do that?

Nic2112 said:
For me it's the notification bar that bugs me, I do like that they are animated but by the time you have WiFi, Blue tooth and head set connected, that's almost a full row if icons that without Rood and XPosed you can't get rid of. GPE are much smaller and cleaner.
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Crap I was TOTALLy talking about the notification bar. THe nav bar is neither here nor there. My bad.

thebobmannh said:
Crap I was TOTALLy talking about the notification bar. THe nav bar is neither here nor there. My bad.
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Okay, cause the icons are different but not that different in size, but the notification bar is busy on Sense.

thebobmannh said:
An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it
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How about that GPS icon? Makes me want to punch my phone every time that things flashes.

#Lolisense all the way.
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