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[Q] Will the 2.1 update give dev's a better chance at rooting?

Sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, but I'm wondering if the 2.1 release will allow devs a better chance at effectively getting the X10 fully rooted? Ie: will they be able to see what changes the update is doing and use that to hopefully get us to 2.2?

Man, the most important thing is NOT to root (it is! rooted) the phone, but to crack the bootloader!
Once the loader gets cracked you won't want to root anymore cuz you probably simply use a (pre-rooted) custom ROM.
But IF SE changes anything about the bootloader it will probably be even harder than now to crack it... :-(
Hope the devs will get it one day...!!!
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Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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PookyPooka said:
Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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Either that or SE will not servive in this competition of handset. my fuse is getting hot and beginning to look at samsung.

PookyPooka said:
Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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Problem is, not many people have X10 so, not enough devs for good brainstorming.
With less people involved, development is slow compared with other smartphones.

PStephan88 said:
Man, the most important thing is NOT to root (it is! rooted) the phone, but to crack the bootloader!
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Err I guess thats what I meant. Will we be able to easily crack the bootloader using the update coming out (hopefully this year?)

Can you discuss 2.1 in the existing 2.1 thread

Bootloader almost bypassed

Okay the bootloader hasn't been cracked but don't let that get you down because the great Dev's have been working on it and now there may even be a workaround.
Bin4ry has managed to get his own kernel to load with custom image included, and although at this early stage the touchscreen and usb don't work this is definitely 1 big step closer to opening up our beloved x10's
Update - custom kernal has been loaded and touch screens working, confirming the workaround
I changed the title to better reflect what's been done
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Wow, although I can't believe what I am reading if that is true...wow great news and thank you devs for your hard work
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good luck to our saviours =)

"almost" is such a big thing... maybe there are some other problems coming, when TS and USB are fixed...
i hope i'm wrong
PS: don't forget bin4ry as VERY good dev i would say one of the best! he wrote that he wants to buy a newer phoneto play around but we won't forget him and his work
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Wow this is awesome to hear!!!! I'm really excited to see how this unfolds

I believe that the bootloader is crashed out at some level, then the custom kernel is loaded, so it's more of a workaround but should offer the same end.
And definitely big thanks to All the Dev's that have kept working on solutions...
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Hola
this is really good news to hear after almost of year of our dev team hacking away at this monster.
I do hope that Bin4ry will not get that new phone too soon

Moved as not android development

And way start this thread? If binr4y have news he can let us know? This thread is useless, and the information you provide us is already in the bootloader Dev thread.
Sorry don't mean to disrespect you in any way but this thread is for me spam..
Best regards
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Hey don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I Really think this is news for us x10 users. I felt that my post might inspire some people to hang on to there x10's. As for this being spam, no its not as the news is in the Dev's only forum while this is for general public, plus I don't think it's doing harm.
If Bin4ry has issues with including his breakthrough then I'm sure it will be deleted
PS, i Don't find it useless, not everyone reads the bootloader thread, so I think this may be very interesting
Best regards
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i'm happy with the news but it's kind of sad to read how just a little step after all these months make us all excited;when i just read last night that the htc thunderbolt bootloader was cracked after 2 or 4 days of its released.
i will support all the effort the dev and you ppl put into this but so disappointed wwith the way sony works,much like apple in my point of view.Is not bad coz they protect their products or intelectual whatever its call,but isn't the whole point of android os to be completly custumisible? if sony doesnt want us to do that or if in the near future the bootloadre is cracked,would they sue the dev?
why they don't create their own iphone then?
so disapointed,after using sony cellphones the last 6 yrs,this is the last for a while i think for me.but im so grateful for all the work and support of the dev and members.peace.

Im kinda on the fence with this post....but i have to lean towards the next "bootloader" post should only come when/if its cracked.
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karlos77x said:
i'm happy with the news but it's kind of sad to read how just a little step after all these months make us all excited
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There's never been a phone with such a secure protection, and if this phone has an exploit then chances are new model's won't. This news though not complete is the closest the Dev's have come to finding a workable exploit. And what Bin4ry has done is show that we can have custom kernel's, this is a win in my eyes

karlos77x said:
i'm happy with the news but it's kind of sad to read how just a little step after all these months make us all excited;when i just read last night that the htc thunderbolt bootloader was cracked after 2 or 4 days of its released.
i will support all the effort the dev and you ppl put into this but so disappointed wwith the way sony works,much like apple in my point of view.Is not bad coz they protect their products or intelectual whatever its call,but isn't the whole point of android os to be completly custumisible? if sony doesnt want us to do that or if in the near future the bootloadre is cracked,would they sue the dev?
why they don't create their own iphone then?
so disapointed,after using sony cellphones the last 6 yrs,this is the last for a while i think for me.but im so grateful for all the work and support of the dev and members.peace.
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I wouldn't worry about the Thunderbolt, I'm sure the devs over at the Atrix forums are having a harder time than us.

This sounds to good to be true.
It would be awesome!

Touchscreen working in the latest Kexec kit from bin4ry I guess thats closest to getting the bootloader hacked Though it seems temporary for now

omnikam said:
And what Bin4ry has done is show that we can have custom kernel's, this is a win in my eyes
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Yeah, that's great.
Hopefully we'll have custom kernels with removed 32fps cap and oc soon.
Then my X10 would be perfect @ 2.1, 1.2GHz and super smooth, because of the removed cap

Khimera said:
I guess thats closest to getting the bootloader hacked
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It is NOT hacking the bootloader it is just ignoring it... Like doing a side loading of the Kernel. Unfortunately if you reboot your phone the phone will boot as normal with Original SE files....
Never the less it is great news, if he can get a script to start the kexec tool in every reboot the bootloader will be totally ignored and we can load the custom kernels.
Jim

Flo95 said:
Yeah, that's great.
Hopefully we'll have custom kernels with removed 32fps cap and oc soon.
Then my X10 would be perfect @ 2.1, 1.2GHz and super smooth, because of the removed cap
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Why not 2.3 ?

jimbo77 said:
It is NOT hacking the bootloader it is just ignoring it... Like doing a side loading of the Kernel. Unfortunately if you reboot your phone the phone will boot as normal with Original SE files....
Never the less it is great news, if he can get a script to start the kexec tool in every reboot the bootloader will be totally ignored and we can load the custom kernels.
Jim
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I understand that man, thats why i said closest to getting the bootloader hacked

SE left us with updates or plain one big update

Sony Ericson left us with updates.
Look: http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=17877
There was pass one month from last cerficated update i think SE left us or is it plaining one big update?
What do you think?

Nope, probably this is all we'll get for the X8. Still can't believe what a bunch of ass-holes S.E. are.

CaptainZap said:
Nope, probably this is all we'll get for the X8. Still can't believe what a bunch of ass-holes S.E. are.
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+999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

I won't update because it VERY POSSIBLE THAT SE LOCKS DOWN custom boot.img LOADING!
If that change happens in EROM (loader.sin) then nothing could be done to go back...
I suggest that first we should wait for boot.img loading to be ported to X8...
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blagus said:
I won't update because it VERY POSSIBLE THAT SE LOCKS DOWN custom boot.img LOADING!
If that change happens in EROM (loader.sin) then nothing could be done to go back...
I suggest that first we should wait for boot.img loading to be ported to X8...
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Flashing back will not help?

I can't really be bothered waiting for another 2.1 update no matter how big or small. It's still 2.1. I couldn't be more happy to see the XDA devs hard at work making 2.2+ for the x8. It's not SE who make the x8 a decent little mid-range phone.
Where phone manufacturers screw their customers, XDA devs pick up the remains and do a better job anyways... on their spare time

as-mario said:
Flashing back will not help?
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Two things can happen:
*New Android update which disables this.
*New EROM which disables bypassing and DRM killing on lower level:
a) new EROM, same AID - EROM is downgradable
b) new EROM, new AID - can't be downgraded at the moment
Basically, don't risk - don't update if any new update comes.

A huge thank you to devs working on roms here.They are doing a great job!!!

alfsamsung said:
A huge thank you to devs working on roms here.They are doing a great job!!!
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Yes they are.

droidjens said:
I can't really be bothered waiting for another 2.1 update no matter how big or small. It's still 2.1. I couldn't be more happy to see the XDA devs hard at work making 2.2+ for the x8. It's not SE who make the x8 a decent little mid-range phone.
Where phone manufacturers screw their customers, XDA devs pick up the remains and do a better job anyways... on their spare time
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I agree with you MAN!!

as-mario said:
Yes they are.
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The good news now is, they are looking also with MT

SE gave up updating X8, XDA hasn't, and guess what, we got semi-MultiTouch, All from XDA

basically it was SE's strategy to stop updating the old xperia phones so that the new phones can take their place. guys just keep a track in the dev section for more updates in the custom rom arena.. devs r working hard & they r producing super results

malungkot said:
I agree with you MAN!!
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Also agreed man!!!! XDA developers are awesome!!!!

new minor update 2.1.1.A.0.28 Mar 23, 2011

hotdude2411 said:
basically it was SE's strategy to stop updating the old xperia phones so that the new phones can take their place. guys just keep a track in the dev section for more updates in the custom rom arena.. devs r working hard & they r producing super results
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Well if they won't update the Xperia Series anymore, i won't but from sony..EVER, and i think a lot of people have the same opinion as i do

Dario! said:
new minor update 2.1.1.A.0.28 Mar 23, 2011
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What this can be?
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i don't think so

X10 is getting 2.3.3... but it seems that x8,mini and mini pro are not going to get it...

Carnana said:
X10 is getting 2.3.3... but it seems that x8,mini and mini pro are not going to get it...
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We already got 2.3(custom), and when the SE 2.3 will apear on X10, we'll just port it to X8 >

CynogenMOD Founder join Samsung

Another Great Move from Samsung, they hire Steve Kondik the CynogenMod Founder
From Steve "I will be working on making Android more awesome"
http://androidandme.com/2011/08/new...ng-mobile-plans-to-make-android-more-awesome/

Make me wonder about the MIUI team
Edit: Oops, just found a new about new MIUI phone.

My next phone will definitely be samsung.. Probably sgs2.
SE needs a lesson imo

freeman2k said:
Make me wonder about the MIUI team
Edit: Oops, just found a new about new MIUI phone.
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you mean the one released yesterday in Beijing?
only 200 euros for a fully new dualcore phone...
anyway, to be tested... the performance.

Awosome more power
Awosome more power to the comunity and WEYYY BETTER STOCK ROMS

XGT.CN said:
you mean the one released yesterday in Beijing?
only 200 euros for a fully new duocore phone...
anyway, to be tested... the performance.
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duocore?
I'm assuming you mean dualcore

scoobysnacks said:
duocore?
I'm assuming you mean dualcore
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oh yes. thanks for pointing it out.

Great news.. all the best lets hope some killer roms coming out in samsungs

So they finally hire a real software developer, now they just need to hire a real designer and this might get interesting ;-)
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Tjotte said:
So they finally hire a real software developer, now they just need to hire a real designer and this might get interesting ;-)
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many people like vanilla android..
much more than like sony's uxp, that's for sure.

scoobysnacks said:
many people like vanilla android..
much more than like sony's uxp, that's for sure.
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I was rather suggesting that samsung software over all is dodgy, they always pack great hardware to a good price but never spend enough time getting it to run smooth, it's been true to all my samsung devices, blueray suround, tv, omnia 2, etc.. Would love to se some progress there
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Tjotte said:
I was rather suggesting that samsung software over all is dodgy, they always pack great hardware to a good price but never spend enough time getting it to run smooth, it's been true to all my samsung devices, blueray suround, tv, omnia 2, etc.. Would love to se some progress there
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ahhh I get ya...
The sgs2 is definitely not like what you're saying though, that's for sure.
Smooth is an understatement

scoobysnacks said:
ahhh I get ya...
The sgs2 is definitely not like what you're saying though, that's for sure.
Smooth is an understatement
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Gotta take your word for it m8 ;-) only tried it briefly at the shop once so i can't really have an opinion about it
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Sometimes when I look at roms that our devs make I'm thinking why any of these companies didn't hire them immediately.

mmokk said:
Sometimes when I look at roms that our devs make I'm thinking why any of these companies didn't hire them immediately.
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well, most are ports of other peoples roms, not total custom roms...
cm was a HUGE leap in android innovation imo.
Not that I'm downplaying our devs amazing work!

One small step for Samsung, one big step for android.

Great News! More power to Android!

Power to the people !!!
The Android people that is

scoobysnacks said:
well, most are ports of other peoples roms, not total custom roms...
cm was a HUGE leap in android innovation imo.
Not that I'm downplaying our devs amazing work!
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Yeah, CM is the base for most custom ROMs nowadays for many devices
and has really taken Android to a new level!
It doesn't surprise me that Samsung embraced the CM community.
Not underestimating anyone's work, and I am not even speaking specifically for X10 community,
but it's one thing to tweak an already fully functional ROM to improve it
and another thing to use AOSP sources and compile a whole new firmware, like Cyanogen does.

Developers list [expected/rumours/sure]

Xperia Z is a raw beast! It can be made a full fledged beast with the help of our awesome devs. So who all [devs] are buying it? All users can add rumours or expected devs names too.
Sure devs list (will be listed once the dev buys the cell)-
1) Free Xperia Team (fxp, bin4ry, defer, kali)
2)krabappel2548
3) codeworkx
4) doomlord
5) thunderising
6) entropy512
Expected/ wished list-
1) franco
2) gokhanmoral
3) indie
4) skritch
4) Till-Kruspe
5) zdzihu
6) Johnsodr80
7) nikholtus
8) riyal
9) pongnamu
10) chasmodo
11) antiochasylum
12) utacka
13) feravolt
14) niaboc79
15) hiemanshu
16) alienmind
17) lord clockan
18) Championswimmer
Start commenting on it guys.

i hope franco comes to the z cause his kernels r wonders

lokenok said:
i hope franco comes to the z cause his kernels r wonders
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Ok. List updated
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Gokhanmoral and indie
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varshil said:
Ok. List updated
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I don't know if you know me, but I want to buy it too
But, since I'm just a student I'm not sure I can jump from XS to the new Xperia Z
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Entropy512 has been considering it.

androidindian said:
Entropy512 has been considering it.
Xplodwild might go for it too..
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That would be great news, they (+codeworkx) are great developers, thanx to them I start enjoying my SGS3 and SGS2 before
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till kruspe

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Entropy512 has been considering it.
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It really depends on North American availability, which has been a consistent problem for Sony. (They know this and are working on it.)
I have a great dislike for grey market imports... If I can't get it in my country with manufacturer warranty for hardware defects, I'm far less likely to purchase it.
Unfortunately, the pattern has been that in the USA, you only have three choices:
1) Carrier-mangled version with locked bootloader that cannot be unlocked
2) Previous-generation device (unlockable TL units are just becoming available now...)
3) Grey market import
If Sony sorts out their North American supply chain and the Z is available in this country in a timely fashion without going through AT&T - I will definitely be getting it. If it's the same story as the TL was... Maybe, not sure.

Entropy512 said:
It really depends on North American availability, which has been a consistent problem for Sony. (They know this and are working on it.)
I have a great dislike for grey market imports... If I can't get it in my country with manufacturer warranty for hardware defects, I'm far less likely to purchase it.
Unfortunately, the pattern has been that in the USA, you only have three choices:
1) Carrier-mangled version with locked bootloader that cannot be unlocked
2) Previous-generation device (unlockable TL units are just becoming available now...)
3) Grey market import
If Sony sorts out their North American supply chain and the Z is available in this country in a timely fashion without going through AT&T - I will definitely be getting it. If it's the same story as the TL was... Maybe, not sure.
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haven't seen you in awhile man... this is going to be a well supported phone if we can get support from sony to unlock bootloaders... by way OP Johnsodr80 is considering it as well from The Collective team
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Maybe all XPERIA's DEVs join in

Personally for me i will be looking for codeworxz & fraco to help with the development of the xperia Z, codeworxz has the ability to make cm roms with little to none sources as possible, while on the other hand francos kernels are stable as hell and are a good replacement to the stock kernel

Apparently no one here can spell codeworkx properly :/

krabappel2548 said:
I don't know if you know me, but I want to buy it too
But, since I'm just a student I'm not sure I can jump from XS to the new Xperia Z
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ya i have very little idea about you, since i never had xperia S. but it would be just awesome if u buy it and help in the development...:good:
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entropy512 said:
it really depends on north american availability, which has been a consistent problem for sony. (they know this and are working on it.)
i have a great dislike for grey market imports... If i can't get it in my country with manufacturer warranty for hardware defects, i'm far less likely to purchase it.
Unfortunately, the pattern has been that in the usa, you only have three choices:
1) carrier-mangled version with locked bootloader that cannot be unlocked
2) previous-generation device (unlockable tl units are just becoming available now...)
3) grey market import
if sony sorts out their north american supply chain and the z is available in this country in a timely fashion without going through at&t - i will definitely be getting it. If it's the same story as the tl was... Maybe, not sure.
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man, we just hope that you buy it.. We need you too man! Sony should gift one!

If codeworkx, entropy and gokhanmoral get this phone then this is the phone for me. They saved the s2 development when Samsung did everything to kill it. If sony helps developers to bring nexus like experience to this phone then this device is a winner with top notch specs and build quality plus great custom ROM support.
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add me to the expected/not sure list

nickholtus said:
add me to the expected/not sure list
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I'm searching to buy it as cheap as possible
And I talked to DooMLoRD, he won't buy it with release, because he already has some other devices.
So maybe you can edit your first post to:
- Wanted/expected, but not sure yet
- These will buy it
- Probably not/but still wanted
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krabappel2548 said:
I'm searching to buy it as cheap as possible
And I talked to DooMLoRD, he won't buy it with release, because he already has some other devices.
So maybe you can edit your first post to:
- Wanted/expected, but not sure yet
- These will buy it
- Probably not/but still wanted
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though i love the design and the power of the device i probably may not buy it at launch as i have spent a lot on gadgets (bought lenses worth 400$+ for my DSLR Canon 550D) in the past few months...

kornklown69 said:
haven't see you in awhile man... this is going to be a well supported phone if we can get support from sony to unlock bootloaders... by way OP Johnsodr80 is considering it as well from The Collective team
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Yeah. I hope Sony manages to find some way to get AT&T to allow unlock this time around.
Also I must admit - if AT&T gets the non-waterproof ZL I REALLY hope that the waterproof Z is sold in this country directly.