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Petittion to release the bootloader

Rikard Skogberg @ SonyEricsson, who is also the writer of the blog @ http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/ said that SonyEricsson are really hearing what we, the users, have to say about the products. He say that the users opinion has a big impact inside the company, or at least that was what he said only 2 days ago.
So my thought was to make a petittion in order to try and open SonyEricssons eyes up, and try to get them to understand that we really want them to release the bootloaders for our Xperia phones.
The reason for making the pettition here is that YOU have to be logged in to sign it, not like the SonyEricsson blog that anybody can sign 1000 times if they want...
And we can easy link to this forum when we have a lot of signatures, to show SonyEricsson the result...
So now, keep this pettition clean, no hard words or nothing bad about SonyEricsson nor the whole delay and 2.1/2.2 issue, this thread is not what this is all about.
If you want to mark me or flame me for trying this, then PM me, or start a new tread instead !
I don´t think this have been tried before, but if it has then pleace show me a link to a bunch of signatures, so we can show it to Rikard Skogberg and SonyEricsson.
Rikard Skogberg have said earlyer that not even 18.000+ signatures could make them give us Android 2.2 instead of 2.1, and that can be a marketing issue.
He have not said anything about them not giving up the bootloaders if we ask nice ?
And reading what he said two days ago, things look like they have changed a little in the company since May.
Also i don´t think that any one has actually tried this before, so give us your signature in this petittion and lets try this for real if we can convince SonyEricsson to give us the bootloaders...just try...
Just write down your name and what SonyEricsson phone you have, and let´s hope for the bedst.
Hey, it can´t hurt to ask SonyEricsson nice for the bootloaders, can it
To keep this a nice and clean petittion, pleace use this form:
I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
[Name here], current owner of:
[ ] Xperia X10
[ ] Xperia X10 Mini Pro
[ ] Xperia X10 Mini
[ ] Xperia X8

I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
Peter Hansen, current owner of:
[x] Xperia X10
[x] Xperia X10 Mini Pro
[x] Xperia X10 Mini
[x] Xperia X8

good idea, but I still don't get why you used this forum for a petition. There are plenty of petition sites out there

I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
[tom hansen], current owner of:
[x ] Xperia X10

Rikard has already stated on the Product Blog that they are not going to do that
Also, when 18k signatures on the Froyo petition went unheard, what makes you think they will look here?

Wouldn't it be better to start it on their blog site?

pngface said:
Rikard has already stated on the Product Blog that they are not going to do that
Also, when 18k signatures on the Froyo petition went unheard, what makes you think they will look here?
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I was just thinking the same thing lol....a petition doesn't hurt...but at the same time it also doesn't matter.
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I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
Ken Ng, current owner of:
[x] Xperia X10
[x] Xperia X8

yeah right like they're going to do that.

pngface said:
Rikard has already stated on the Product Blog that they are not going to do that
Also, when 18k signatures on the Froyo petition went unheard, what makes you think they will look here?
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See my answer in the first post !

I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
, current owner of:
[x] Xperia X10

pshdo said:
Try reading the blog again m8...
He say that the users opinion has a big impact, or at least that was what he said only 2 days ago...;-)
The reason for making the pettition here is that YOU have to be logged in to sign it, not like the blog that anybody can sign 1000 times if they want...
And we can easy link to this forum in the end, to show se the result...
But hey, have you got any place with 18k signatures for this anyway ?
If not then it is just empty talk, so now lets try this for real for a change...
No more empty talk, and no more "what if" questions, lets just try...
Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#
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Umm pretty sure he's referring to these 18700 signatures, which I assume most of us already signed back in May.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?froyo
Maybe that's where you should set-up your petition. It's a cute thought that they'll release the bootloader (lol yeah right), but it's been asked before and totally rejected. In reality they don't listen to their customers until their sales start to really decline. That's how we'll get their attention with our wallets, unfortunately not through online petitions.

I can't imagine that they'll ever release the bootloader, unless they have a change of CEO and the new guy has a significantly more relaxed attitude about this whole concept.. maybe someone off the board of google could step in and take the job!!

If they do give access to the bootloader, it will be for future models, don't expect it for this phone or previous models.
They have agreements with cell phone service providers that wouldst allow them to do it.
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pngface said:
Rikard has already stated on the Product Blog that they are not going to do that
Also, when 18k signatures on the Froyo petition went unheard, what makes you think they will look here?
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we don't lose anything by trying
Alan Castillo, current owner of:
[x] Xperia X10
besides most of the owners of this phone, don't know anything about OS, that happens here in Mexico

Doesn't hurt to try.. but it would be a better idea for ppl to sign the petition on the product blog cause it'll get noticed there for sure ..
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

Even if they "agree" to do so, it would probably take at least a month for them to do so. Let me tell you all a secret. You know why the Xperia X10 has X10 in it? Because everything SE does with this phone takes X10 (10 times) longer than usual.
Also if they agree, don't forget their slogan. Make.Believe.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
Doan Allan, current owner of:
[X] Xperia X10

I would really like if SonyEricsson would set our Xperia phones free, and give us the bootloader
Arnold Soriano, current owner of:
[X] Xperia X10

pngface said:
Rikard has already stated on the Product Blog that they are not going to do that
Also, when 18k signatures on the Froyo petition went unheard, what makes you think they will look here?
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+1 from my side..
i really dont think its gonna make any difference. if they are not planing about froyo forget unlocked bootloader... waste of time...really think, threads like these are totally unnecessary.

HTC-Root firendly soon :D

"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC.
Sources: http://www.facebook.com/pages/HTC-Sensation/175735282481671
But still, they haven't made any statement in context to already released phones

I doubt they will add support for released phones.

Wildfire is EOL this wont apply to us but probably only there up and coming phones.

Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html

It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones

kevin2516 said:
It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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That's really a great injustice to the already released devices. (if it is so)

@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?

Les1976 said:
@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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Sorry that was not my article actually. I just found it on searching and liked it very much. So im trying to share it. And it was based on an opinion piece.
Anyway i will try to search for ur things.

Alright thanks

Les1976 said:
Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
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Lesa, this news is confirmed...Infact it's all over the internet by now
Few more links:
http://htcsource.com/2011/05/official-htc-will-no-longer-be-locking-bootloaders-on-their-devices/
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...iscussion/2750-htc-unlocking-bootloaders.html

Ok, great. thanks

Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.

lokeshramesh said:
Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
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Nice, Link?
Whoop.... never mind, http://www.pcworld.com/article/228823/htc_ends_locked_bootloader_policy.html

**** u htc . i really hate this ****ing stupid company and thier ****ing policy.
they said that will not open the bootloader for old devices like wildfire and so on
ohhh my godness!!!!

Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.

lokeshramesh said:
Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
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Normaly alpharev only works on rooted devices, which in our case is the problem in the first place. I know that HCDRjacob said something else, but I wouldn't put to much hope on it..
Erwin

Petition for Samsung to be more open :)

Hi, a developer called pulser_g2 developer called codeworx made this petition for Samsung to be more open and be a lot more developer friendly, this petition is for all Samsung android devices, not just the s2. So I thought I would post it here in the hope a few of you may consider singing it please
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
Thank you
Edit: Sorry I made a mistake, the developer Codeworx just heavily promoted the petition, pulser_g2 is the developer who made it, and thanks entropy512 for pointing the mistake out

danielsf said:
Hi, on the galaxy s2 forum, the cm9 developer called codeworx made this petition for Samsung to be more open and be a lot more developer friendly, this petition is for all Samsung android devices, not just the s2. So I thought I would post it here in the hope a few of you may consider singing it please
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
Thank you
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Actually pulser_g2 created it - codeworkx is just pushing it hard. (he deserves to as he's the one maintaining CM9...)

Also consider pestering them on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/search/users/samsung

Signed
10char

Im hoping the lack of posts in this thread just means people arent commenting in this thread but have signed the petition
I submitted this as a tip for the portal page, hopefully it gets picked up, since being on the portal would generate more interest in this

DT3CH said:
Im hoping the lack of posts in this thread just means people arent commenting in this thread but have signed the petition
I submitted this as a tip for the portal page, hopefully it gets picked up, since being on the portal would generate more interest in this
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Only reason it's not on the portal is because pulser forgot his portal password (He even said so elsewhere.)
(This petition was filed by one of our senior moderator team.)
I haven't signed yet, but that is because I plan on writing a fairly decent bit on why cooperating with developers will benefit Samsung in my "Reason" field and need a bit more time.

signed!
10char

signed
Signed.
10char

IMO, in this day when manufacturers are locking down devices and intentionally making it very difficult for any development, Samsung has really catered to this small community. Companies like Motorola go as far as sabotaging their products to prevent any type hacking, rooting etc.
Sure, Samsung's official software upgrades are slow but I give them a lot of credit for reaching out in ways such as offering some of our top developers free devices.

Entropy512 said:
Only reason it's not on the portal is because pulser forgot his portal password (He even said so elsewhere.)
(This petition was filed by one of our senior moderator team.)
I haven't signed yet, but that is because I plan on writing a fairly decent bit on why cooperating with developers will benefit Samsung in my "Reason" field and need a bit more time.
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LOL shows you what I know
Dont know any of the mods here

Joe T said:
IMO, in this day when manufacturers are locking down devices and intentionally making it very difficult for any development, Samsung has really catered to this small community. Companies like Motorola go as far as sabotaging their products to prevent any type hacking, rooting etc.
Sure, Samsung's official software upgrades are slow but I give them a lot of credit for reaching out in ways such as offering some of our top developers free devices.
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The problem is they have, over time, become increasingly antagonistic to platform developers.
They are now failing to comply with the GPL with kernel source for many devices on a regular basis. The Infuse AT&T update took a month for source to show up, and Samsung ignored multiple requests for source in compliance with the GPL. The one time they answered, they claimed that they didn't have to provide source because they had stopped providing the update - that's bull****. If you provide a binary to someone, you MUST provide them the source - even if you are no longer providing binaries to other people.
They go out of their way to avoid releasing source whenever possible - see the AR6000 driver fiasco on the Tab 7 Plus.
The Galaxy S II hardware donation to the Cyanogenmod team was nothing but a PR stunt. If you follow the progress of CM9 on the I9100, you'll see that in addition to not providing any assistance to codeworkx and xplodwild, they are actively throwing barriers in the way. For example, secure containers (used by many apps) are disabled if a custom kernel is used in ICS.
Compare this to Sony, who provided technical assistance to the Cyanogenmod team leading to their entire 2011 lineup being well supported by CM, and also open-sourcing their sensor HALs when they didn't need to. They have also provided OFFICIAL ICS alphas and betas including source in compliance with the GPL, while everyone else just has leaks.
Unless Samsung changes their attitude - my next phone will be a Sony or a Nexus of some sort.

Entropy512 said:
The problem is they have, over time, become increasingly antagonistic to platform developers.....
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Wow, I didn't realize all of that. As a GNex owner, I suppose I'm looking at things through rose colored glasses. I thought they changed a lot since the Froyogate fiasco which they received a lot of bad press. Thanks for the info, petition signed!

Signed
Especially since I have 2 Samsung devices currently

Entropy512 said:
The problem is they have, over time, become increasingly antagonistic to platform developers.
They are now failing to comply with the GPL with kernel source for many devices on a regular basis. The Infuse AT&T update took a month for source to show up, and Samsung ignored multiple requests for source in compliance with the GPL. The one time they answered, they claimed that they didn't have to provide source because they had stopped providing the update - that's bull****. If you provide a binary to someone, you MUST provide them the source - even if you are no longer providing binaries to other people.
They go out of their way to avoid releasing source whenever possible - see the AR6000 driver fiasco on the Tab 7 Plus.
The Galaxy S II hardware donation to the Cyanogenmod team was nothing but a PR stunt. If you follow the progress of CM9 on the I9100, you'll see that in addition to not providing any assistance to codeworkx and xplodwild, they are actively throwing barriers in the way. For example, secure containers (used by many apps) are disabled if a custom kernel is used in ICS.
Compare this to Sony, who provided technical assistance to the Cyanogenmod team leading to their entire 2011 lineup being well supported by CM, and also open-sourcing their sensor HALs when they didn't need to. They have also provided OFFICIAL ICS alphas and betas including source in compliance with the GPL, while everyone else just has leaks.
Unless Samsung changes their attitude - my next phone will be a Sony or a Nexus of some sort.
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very well said

Done
Thanks for the info...
Everything to help the devs...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

signed.. hope this petition will do something

Joe T said:
IMO, in this day when manufacturers are locking down devices and intentionally making it very difficult for any development, Samsung has really catered to this small community. Companies like Motorola go as far as sabotaging their products to prevent any type hacking, rooting etc.
Sure, Samsung's official software upgrades are slow but I give them a lot of credit for reaching out in ways such as offering some of our top developers free devices.
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I totally agree.I would like Sammy to be more open, like Sony, but I understand they are a company and they have certain policies which will increase their profits...Since my tab has unlocked bootloader and I can flash anything I want I'm ok.
sent from my nokia 3210

Signed.... suggest you do also...
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signed........let us know how it goes

Signed. Glad to see this.
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Regards

@pal.szasz, why don't give us XDA-Sony users things like easy root, tools for decompiling your apks which come with new issues every other FW release, those are things the majority of users here would like to see.

XperienceD said:
@pal.szasz, why don't give us XDA-Sony users things like easy root, tools for decompiling your apks which come with new issues every other FW release, those are things the majority of users here would like to see.
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* easy root: giving root access is impossible for many reasons, legal reasons being one of them. However we do support unlocking the bootloader, which allows you to install custom roms which have easy root access
* tool for decompiling the APKs: http://developer.sonymobile.com/201...o-analyse-your-apks-now-released-open-source/

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