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Samsung i5700 hacked for multitouch, what does that mean for the X10?

Following on from THIS thread which raises a valid point imo...
The Galaxy Spica (also known as the i5700) has been blessed with multitouch support in some homebrew drivers that are making their way into homebrew kernels for homebrew ROMs, despite the official line that said phone doesn't support more than one finger at a time. Really drives home the point that "support" can refer both to the hardware's capability and the manufacturer's willingness to maximize it, doesn't it?
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-mobile.engadget.com
...MT may just be possible after all.

It means nothing.
IBTL.

Candy[MAN] said:
It means nothing.
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Or could mean it is possible, but will take a developer to realise it.

thought hardware cant support more than 1 finger at a time so regardless of what devs can come up with, its not gonna work??
or has someone identified what panel the x10 is using and im talking nonsense?

wing_zero8556 said:
thought hardware cant support more than 1 finger at a time so regardless of what devs can come up with, its not gonna work??
or has someone identified what panel the x10 is using and im talking nonsense?
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To my knowledge no one has discovered what model the touch panel is. Right now the official word from SE is that the hardware doesn't support it.

wing_zero8556 said:
thought hardware cant support more than 1 finger at a time so regardless of what devs can come up with, its not gonna work??
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Who knows now, but this news opens up to the possibility that it just might work...
despite the official line that said phone doesn't support more than one finger at a time.
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As far as i am concerned, i dont really care if we get MT or not. But i dont see why SE would release their top end android phone without putting a MT capable digitizer on it, whether they enable MT or not. Maybe they know it is capable but never enabled it because of copyright issues with crapple.

This is just another pointless thread, When we crack the boot loader and can put on Custom Roms we will find out if its a yes or a no, till then we can all debade the meanings of life and all the other types to topics that are there to waste time.

Chewitt said:
This is just another pointless thread
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It might be, in your opinion, the point of the thread is to highlight that another handset of which it's maker said MT wasn't available now actually is thanks to a developer, so there just might be a possibility that other handsets sold with no MT support might not necessarily be because of a hardware issue.

ddewbofh said:
To my knowledge no one has discovered what model the touch panel is. Right now the official word from SE is that the hardware doesn't support it.
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they have to say something, if it supports, SE wont launch drivers for it so soon... Without know the model of the panel, no way to know.

tigger69 said:
As far as i am concerned, i dont really care if we get MT or not. But i dont see why SE would release their top end android phone without putting a MT capable digitizer on it, whether they enable MT or not. Maybe they know it is capable but never enabled it because of copyright issues with crapple.
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I just love how you refer to it everytime without fail, as crapple.

I think the best way is asking a SE dev if x10 supports MT
Maybe SE will enable it on 2.1 if the hardware supports it....
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Im closing this because it could have easily been put into the other multitouch debate threads

xperia x8 multitouch

Anyone knows if x8 can support multitouch. Is it hardware limitation or just software stupidity of SE?

While I was reading x10 news about multitouch, the article basically said the phone developers themselves had to "hack" the phone and enable it via software.
Basically if I understood it correctly from the article, the hardware is flagged as "non supportive", while it can be enabled via software.
That above ^ makes no sense, so I'd just say it's a software issue.

refract said:
While I was reading x10 news about multitouch, the article basically said the phone developers themselves had to "hack" the phone and enable it via software.
Basically if I understood it correctly from the article, the hardware is flagged as "non supportive", while it can be enabled via software.
That above ^ makes no sense, so I'd just say it's a software issue.
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If thats right,ppl can make it multitouch
I wish that will happen

Look here:
www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=199987
So we just 'might' get multitouch too.

Can someone try this.
Please.

karun11 said:
Look here:
So we just 'might' get multitouch too.
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Right, basically means the software for multitouch is already done.
Now let's see how long it'll take them to dispatch the update

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907736
similar :/

Does the X8 digitizer support multi touch?

Yes, it does.

refract said:
Right, basically means the software for multitouch is already done.
Now let's see how long it'll take them to dispatch the update
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yeah.. if the 2.2 & 2.3 update will not come, so we can forget about the multitouch.

Tehouster said:
yeah.. if the 2.2 & 2.3 update will not come, so we can forget about the multitouch.
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dude look at my signature !
or here : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petit...Ericsson-Xperia-series/123850457682141?ref=mf
We are more than 2.000 ppl ! YES WE CAN !
We want 2 show it SE !
We will buy no mobiles from then anymore if they dont publish new fw updates !

revenge50 said:
dude look at my signature !
or here : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petit...Ericsson-Xperia-series/123850457682141?ref=mf
We are more than 2.000 ppl ! YES WE CAN !
We want 2 show it SE !
We will buy no mobiles from then anymore if they dont publish new fw updates !
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nice job.
but I can always put the original firmware from 2.2 OS or 2.3

Yes, we also can do it. But it won't work.

revenge50 said:
dude look at my signature !
or here : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petit...Ericsson-Xperia-series/123850457682141?ref=mf
We are more than 2.000 ppl ! YES WE CAN !
We want 2 show it SE !
We will buy no mobiles from then anymore if they dont publish new fw updates !
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Excuse me for being upfront, but you'll have to change your slogan in that mini "campaign"
The whole intention of them not updating software is most likely to just force you to buy new versions of mobile phones you already have ( x10 -> arc, x8 -> some new phone that'll come in 2011 ).
So it's all the same for them if you stick to your x8 for example, as the only thing they're attempting to do here is to force you to buy a new mobile phone - if you don't succumb to it, they don't give a flying **** cause you'll be stuck on a outdated, non-updating platform, and it's in your best interest to get off it if you're at least a bit of a tech savvy individual.
Also, people who stick with Sony Ericsson brand since their first phone ( such as myself, from old Ericsson t20e 'till newest x8 ), is their main market. No matter how bad service is, I won't change my mobile phone brand, as it's something I've gotten used to ever since I was 8 ( 13 years later, still using the same brand ), and same goes for many many users out there who don't need tech stuff like most of us here on xda want.
At least that's my point of view on it.
Sad really, but heh :\ Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread, and I signed up on facebook for the 2.2 support.

if is for X10, so it's will be for X8 also
NEW UPDATE

Tehouster said:
if is for X10, so it's will be for X8 also
NEW UPDATE
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possible dude but only the employer know it yet :S
@refract : I dont know.I think I will never buy a SE again if they dont publish new updates like 2.2+ for SE X8 because for exp : If I buy a new SE mobile next year,maybe will there again no updates for it -.-

Next phones will have better updates schedule.
-X8 z Tapatalk-

Does anybone here knows how to root x8 running on android 2.1??
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use search amit... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811457

amit.somani64 said:
Does anybone here knows how to root x8 running on android 2.1??
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after rooting x8, do we have available ROMs here?

xperia x8 is a perfect n best device

we hava n type wifi
we hv pinch zoom capable touch
we hv quality sound
we hv fine camera
we hv perfect design adn size
we hv awesome phone... with all features
we cn compare our phone with iphone 3g... even 3gs
we just need more multitouch feature on out phone.... i know it will fix sooon
we have minicm, elinux, module man, nobodyatall and other developer thnx for great support u r our se support

Hehe thx is well
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Actually the module man stopped working on his dt module which is sad i see nobody else who is willing to take such quest on his shoulders.....
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ithunter said:
we hv fine camera
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O rly?...

yes camera is fine

ithunter said:
yes camera is fine
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i don`t think so, but x8 is the best phone for it`s price

I think too.
Just official 2.2 or 2.3 is missing.

i dont neeed offcial cuz we hv final version 2.2....... if se plan to update they should update 2.3

Yes no need for official 2.2 we already got mini cm 2.2 which is perfect
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I tell this because custom doesn't work with my device but I don't know why.

ithunter said:
we hava n type wifi
we hv pinch zoom capable touch
we hv quality sound
we hv fine camera
we hv perfect design adn size
we hv awesome phone... with all features
we cn compare our phone with iphone 3g... even 3gs
we just need more multitouch feature on out phone.... i know it will fix sooon
we have minicm, elinux, module man, nobodyatall and other developer thnx for great support u r our se support
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X8 hardware only supports one touch, so dual/multi touch is impossible but the rest your right

yes
x8 is good fast phone..

treebill said:
X8 hardware only supports one touch, so dual/multi touch is impossible but the rest your right
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Please don't make a statement what is not fully true!
Only Synaptics X8 is NOT MT capable, but the ones that came with Cypress chip inside are MT capable ("up to 32 touch")! Please read before you write something. Thanks.

yes a perfect phone

Asycid said:
Please don't make a statement what is not fully true!
Only Synaptics X8 is NOT MT capable, but the ones that came with Cypress chip inside are MT capable ("up to 32 touch")! Please read before you write something. Thanks.
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Not quite. X8 doesn't have the same cypress chip as Arc, so cypress is not 32 point MT capable. However, it might be, that it will be easier to create real MT for cypress than it is for synaptic.
And as for the camera... you can hardly find any other phone within this price range that has a camera without autofocus, and X8 has none

Graveir said:
Not quite. X8 doesn't have the same cypress chip as Arc, so cypress is not 32 point MT capable. However, it might be, that it will be easier to create real MT for cypress than it is for synaptic.
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Two forumers have disassembled their phone, and they said it has "cy8ctma340" chip (one of them made a photo that is clearly says it's true). Check Cypress' homepage, and you'll be brightened
OOpps, sorry, it it only capable of 32 max sensor inputs, with a maximum of 4 thumbs!
LINK

Asycid said:
Two forumers have disassembled their phone, and they said it has "cy8ctma340" chip (one of them made a photo that is clearly says it's true). Check Cypress' homepage, and you'll be brightened
OOpps, sorry, it it only capable of 32 max sensor inputs, with a maximum of 4 thumbs!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1073688
blagus open his phone and the chip inside is the clearpad 1000.
http://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/190-000015-01-Rev-D-CP1K.pdf
the PDF states.
"The ClearPad 1000 provides SingleTouch
interaction and gestures for mid-range and mass-market
devices."

treebill said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1073688
blagus open his phone and the chip inside is the clearpad 1000.
http://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/190-000015-01-Rev-D-CP1K.pdf
the PDF states.
"The ClearPad 1000 provides SingleTouch
interaction and gestures for mid-range and mass-market
devices."
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One more time, but this will be the last one, because I'm getting tired of this:
X8 has two types of digitizer:
One is the Synaptics (phones wich produced before April has got these), and one is the Cypress type (phones produced AFTER March). So, I'm talking obut the cypress. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, I read a lot and searched a lot about this!

Asycid said:
One more time, but this will be the last one, because I'm getting tired of this:
X8 has two types of digitizer:
One is the Synaptics (phones wich produced before April has got these), and one is the Cypress type (phones produced AFTER March). So, I'm talking obut the cypress. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, I read a lot and searched a lot about this!
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I never doubted for a second you know what your talking about nor did I suggest other wise, I'm guessing most people have the old type and i know doixanh and blagus have the old type (from there posts), so assuming a good few dev's have the old type that is going slow down development for your multi/dual touch.
It does however, seem strange that SE would change the hardware.

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I never doubted for a second you know what your talking about nor did I suggest other wise, I'm guessing most people have the old type and i know doixanh and blagus have the old type (from there posts), so assuming a good few dev's have the old type that is going slow down development for your multi/dual touch.
It does however, seem strange that SE would change the hardware.
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Yeah, I know it. Don't tell me
Sure, I haven't believed my eyes too when I saw the photo of the cypress chip. But it's clear for me now why SE put this type of digitizer in the newer X8s (BTW they've changed the screen too, not just the digitizer, _I_think_. It have more contrast ), and I explained it in an other thread, but I forgot in which.
Oh, and sorry about I was so harsh!

Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Gingerbread Update Might Deliver Multi-touch and Mor

Just read on a blog that Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Gingerbread Update Might Deliver Multi-touch and More.How far can this be true ?
Source: http://www.kashtech.info/2011/06/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-gingerbread.html

Please tell me you weren't aware you posted in the wrong section. Lol
Sent from my x10 on gingerbread

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Lion3494 said:
Please tell me you weren't aware you posted in the wrong section. Dumb axx
Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
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No need for foul languege........ but your right
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Might is a very tame word. Considering the device does not have the ability to handle anything more than dual touch, this is interesting news.

it will bring multi-touch, resolution 1024x768, blu-ray support.. etc..
and all that on 2.9.26 kernel build.. uv, oc too.. come on ppl be happy if that gb even moves with that time/medi-scape s**t...

Chumby_666 said:
it will bring multi-touch, resolution 1024x768, blu-ray support.. etc..
and all that on 2.9.26 kernel build.. uv, oc too.. come on ppl be happy if that gb even moves with that time/medi-scape s**t...
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Are you crazy? It will deliver 1440x900 resolution, 1080p recording at 60fps, 8mp cap lifted to 16.1mp, fps cap lifted to 58fps including 3D with some accents of time/mediapain.

Well, this was originally posted in brazilian Sony Ericsson official Blog, so I think we could give it a shot. A lot of people said X10 wouldn't support even dual touch, and now we have it. Maybe Sony Ericsson found a way to fix it, despite the hardware limitation, bypassing, I don't know. If SE said multitouch will come with the 2.3 update, I guess I will wait hopefully for that.
The source is in portuguese and I'm too lazy to translate it now, but you guys can believe what I'm saying or use a translator .

2.3 also brings: Full HD screen resolution, native .exe execution, CoD Black Ops pre-installed, slide out joypad like on Xperia Play, and Airplane mode finally turns phone into airplane of your choice, just like we all expected when seen it for the first time...
Also, don't forget about kexec exploit fix == stuck on SE's FW... But with all these functions, why would you want to switch to another ROM??? Enjoy

lol hahaha... iam so excited about the new GB update coming soon...

Read somewhere that the official.update will be released.at the end of July.
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KInG GaME said:
Z dual core in x10! or are you just joking
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Nope. He hacked the CPU power to route it through a Galaxy S2

Pshhh dual core is sooo the day before, talk to me when you have 8 cores implemented

You need Galaxy S II, then with simple CPU reroute process via Wi-Fi, BT, J-Tag, USB and a few more solder points you connect X10 to Galaxy's CPU.
Then you take super glue, and stick the phones together. zdzihu will publish the pictures soon
It was easy, and during the process RSA key was found - it was a nice surprise to find all root, red and brown keys under the CPU on a piece of paper, hand-written with signature of SE's CEO

zdzihu said:
Sorry to say but SE won't be able to deliver this... the only person who could has already left XDA
Sent from my X10 having 50% dual core implemented
Cheers,
z
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Haha lol, I didn't expect you to reply but it was sarcastic meant For if you didn't get it XD
Btw, nice I've got also 50% of Dual Core power in my phone !

OmegaRED^ said:
Are you serious. then it's true the only dev that ever got that far has been banned.
Oddly right after the arc rom with that very feature showed up the trolling started.
Ironic?
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Yeah not to mention Unified basedband, Fps uncap on stock kernel, Tethering on stock kernel and many more, since he's gone all hope is gone, now we have only the official Gb from SE to look forward to, hehe

riginal said:
Yeah not to mention Unified basedband, Fps uncap on stock kernel, Tethering on stock kernel and many more, since he's gone all hope is gone, now we have only the official Gb from SE to look forward to, hehe
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Don't forget, he will make MIUI Gingerbread final fix all possible bugs etc before he leaves us. He has already ordered a HTC Sensation...

PlayGunsta said:
Don't forget, he will make MIUI Gingerbread final fix all possible bugs etc before he leaves us. He has already ordered a HTC Sensation...
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Well good for you because I don't use his roms

riginal said:
Well good for you because I don't use his roms
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You maybe not, but I like MIUI and he seems the only one to deliver it the most-bug-free. Not saying that R is a bad developer.

PlayGunsta said:
You maybe not, but I like MIUI and he seems the only one to deliver it the most-bug-free. Not saying that R is a bad developer.
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Well I like MIUI too, I switched from one of trip's earlier versions I think it was 1.0.4 to Cobrato's MIUI & couldn't be happier, everything works as it should

Why did devs let dualtouch synptcs down ?

***WHY???***

they left DT, because, the results from their test, has been very successfull, if you want a "better" option, come'on! ther are a lot of guides, and repositorys free of charhe, for you to learn and to try making a better option. Nobody has born knowing everything. But we have very good Devs and they do as much as they can and they want.

abaz123 said:
***WHY???***
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because SE has crippled the synaptics chip, if you want to have DT on synaptics digitizer you need to edit firmware in this chip but there is no way how to read it from the chip and synaptics won't give us the firmware so we won't have DT. if you want it, go and buy another phone

Mmhh....ookay -_-'
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fifo171 said:
because SE has crippled the synaptics chip, if you want to have DT on synaptics digitizer you need to edit firmware in this chip but there is no way how to read it from the chip and synaptics won't give us the firmware so we won't have DT. if you want it, go and buy another phone
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DT - referred to multitouch? is it

Kirmada : yes it is
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DT - Dual Touch, MT - Multi Touch
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