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Dear Community members,
Should we have 2 separate sub-fora for Android development and Themes and Apps:
-Sense
-AOSP
I think it will make our live easier, but it's just an idea. I included a poll so please, do MASSIVELY express yourself! I did vote Yes, of course!
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forelli
Can't say it would be a bad idea, might split people though and some forums don't like that.
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any organisation is good organisation
I voted no. Why? Because there are so much common things for both builds in those forums.
Android dev: leaks, radios, guides, kernels, general mods (like recent usb host). It should be a general place to find all the custom ROMs.
Themes: I agree that themes are usually for CM or Sense only, but there are also common things like bootanimations, splashes, etc.
I agree with both sides of the case here, however a well titled ROM Thread
e.g
[ROM][SENSE][etc][etc]............
or
[ROM][AOSP][etc][etc]............
Would do just fine. So I voted no.
I opened this thread because it proved difficult to find a CM7 theme or kernel! You have to go through I don't know how many pages before you find something for CM7.
f.
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As it has already been said, a well titled thread should help more than the infinite splitting of the forums. You'll just have to use the search button. What's next? Froyo and Gingerbread subforums? Once i get to a computer I'll vote 'no'.
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I don't know about AOSP or SENSE forums, but I think it would be a good idea to gather all guides (rooting, flashing, s-off etc.) to the same place. That way they would be easier to find than now as they are scattered all over the forum. This would also reduce the numbers of new threads started by people asking questions that have already been answered several times.
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Hawks556 said:
I don't know about AOSP or SENSE forums, but I think it would be a good idea to gather all guides (rooting, flashing, s-off etc.) to the same place. That way they would be easier to find than now as they are scattered all over the forum. This would also reduce the numbers of new threads started by people asking questions that have already been answered several times.
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The sticky roll-up thread in Android Developement maybe?!? They are there, but unfortunately you can have those guides in big red letters on top of every page and there will sill be someone, who thinks it's easier to ask than to read. It has to be the human nature . Actually proposing this, means that you too have never looked at the sticky roll-ups in the forums! Shame on you!
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I agree with both sides of the case here, however a well titled ROM Thread
e.g
[ROM][SENSE][etc][etc]............
or
[ROM][AOSP][etc][etc]............
Would do just fine. So I voted no.
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I think this will be the best if we just tag them, so the common things will be in one place and the different ones Wilkinson be much more easy to find.
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tkolev said:
The sticky roll-up thread in Android Developement maybe?!? They are there, but unfortunately you can have those guides in big red letters on top of every page and there will sill be someone, who thinks it's easier to ask than to read. It has to be the human nature . Actually proposing this, means that you too have never looked at the sticky roll-ups in the forums! Shame on you!
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Yes I've read the stickies, but there isn't listed even nearly all the most commonly needed guides like the getting back to stock guide, improving battery life guide and radio s-off guide just to name a few. Also it would be good to have the known solutions/reasons to common bugs/problems listed somewhere. These threads can ofcourse be found on the forum as it is but if no one posts to the threads (because they are solved) they will fall back to the last pages of the threads list and thus become harder to come across.
And yes I know that the common DHD issues can be found in the general section sticky, but also that one isn't fully comprehensive. Just to give an example the CWM booting while charging issue can't be found there even though the issue has been there since we got CWM on our phones, hasn't it?
Moving on to greener pastures
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See ya' on the flip side ...
Yeah, I think I may move as well but I'll keep in touch with xda. seriously, mods. This forum is for Developers, not for you to be a little ***** and think you're the king of everything.
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The f*k happened anyway?!?? I heard rumors and I'm not stateside so I don't log in as much so I really don't know what happened
Oo oo I know
This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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And without developers say goodbye to your advertising sponsorship. Slippery slope guys.
Remember, this is just a Web forum, nothing more and nothing less.
Maybe a revaluation of your perceived value of importance is known order.
It's just a real shame that the best devs keep leaving, and always for similar reasons. Biting the hand that feeds is never smart.
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This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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No its good for everyday people to post what they get when they flash new roms. Now bad mouthing that's a different story..
Hmmm that's ridiculous..
But i like this site..
Did people get butthurt over some ROMs not working or something? I'm confused, I would expect the devs to encourage bug testing and criticism...
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Did people get butthurt over some ROMs not working or something? I'm confused, I would expect the devs to encourage bug testing and criticism...
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I don't know exactly what happened, but it wasn't something that an average user did. Brick'd was a fun guy. One of the mods decided to close the thread for a reason that I do not know, and brick'd wanted to say goodbye.
oka1 should be the only mod for our forum, he actually gets us + hes pretty damn cool. even though i have like 70 infractions from him from a year ago haha
Judging from Br1ckd's post in Zen I think something happened to another on the DD team. My guess is it was Dan but not sure. The mod in our tablet forum can go on power trips. Because Br1ckd is a Recognized Developer he has the power to lock/unlock his own thread.
Pretty sure it was an all for 1, 1 for all type thing. He's in a better place now. So lets not mourn his loss but rejoice in his new beginning. Hey, it's almost Easter and Padre Wood is done with his sermon.
Woodrube is on point. I pulled my stuff, closed my threads, and stopped hosting on xda due to something that happened in the sgs2 forums between a trusted friend and DD member, and an overzealous, aggro moderator. As well, the same DD member has also been receiving harassing pm's that the mods didn't seem to want to help with.
I've spoken with Oka1 about my decision and the facts surrounding it, and thanked him heavily for his part in cleaning up the Vibrant forum in recent months. He really has had a big hand in bringing this particular subforum to where it is now.
I harbor no ill will towards anyone over here and I still check in from time to time. However, I also stand by those who stand by me. When my boy had enough of the BS, it was obviously time for a change, and as a new team, we showed great unity in unanimously voting to move.
Hope this sets the record a bit more straight. Feel free y'all, to pop by and say hi sometime, sit a spell, and visit some old friends, and some new ones.
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From this Moderator of the Vibrant
I Like all the guys in this forum, and this forum's Devs have been Stellar and worked together to keep things even and fair, properly giving credit to those who deserve. AS to the other forums I really do not know what happened, but I do know the SGS2 forums is a pretty tough bunch. So, it is understandable that some devs would get tired of the rowdiness..... That's unfortunate. I will strive to talk to the superiors about this incident so XDA can learn from it and make this forum a more conducive environment for all......
Thanks to all in this forum for being the good participants you are ........ ~~~ oka1
lostwhat83 said:
This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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They just need to have a better "recognized developer" system. that way ONLY developers can post in dev section, and they have an available option to enable/disable posting in their thread - leave discussion threads for the general section. as long as the moderators cleaned up the general section once a day, making sure there is only one discussion thread per rom - it would be a flawless system
I think the more annoying thing is how people can theme a ROM, add a couple apks, along with some build.prop/ram tweaks, and then post it in the dev section as a new ROM. that drives me mad, and then the noobs encourage this behavior (because they dont know any better) by saying "why complain about having more options??", and by calling these members "developers" - release it under themes/apps, not development
^^the end result of this is a cluttered development section with multiple versions of the same ROM - all of them having poor explanations - so you dont know which ROMS are legit enough to monitor because they all have the same damn features listed
First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
Sorry MODs for posting this thread, I'm pissed at all the noobs which are chasing away my favourite dev's
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naresh9876 said:
First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
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a good example would probably be the dev that left yesterday or the day before and had their thread closed over pretty much this same thing.....
the sense of entitlement has gotten way out of hand.... and the lack of appreciation...
Looks more to me like XDA is a victim of it's own success, and of the success of smartphones in general over the last 2 years. This is no longer a pure dev-forum.
There are 10 devs for every 10.000 yelling noobs. Who would'nt start pulling out their hair ? And if you try to educate them, you get yelled at, for flaming them lol.
Maybe Xda should reconsider their setup, and allow dev-threads where the dev can add or revoke users the right to post in HIS thread.
that's my 5 cents on the subject.
You cannot fight 9999999999999 noobs anyway, so better ignore them, or leave.
Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.
...and you forgot mr g.levarne, he also suffers from the same disease, it is a very sad situation
i wanted to add a little of my philosophy here, but i will be totally useless, questions about ETA will continue to exist
azzledazzle said:
Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.
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Well said just head over to eybees rr threat winthin minutes of announceing jbv3 the maggots were out spamming like mad where's the upload can you include this....quite sickening especially when he'd updated his op stating how long upload would be and what would be included with no extras...I can see how this would certainly drive any sensible human to go nuts. .so unless somthing new is done I can only see decent devs disappearing from here which is a REAL SHAME... (
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Hi everybody, for a best forum, i think moderator must ban all children crying for ota or the same question without read previous post, and we dont lost in the future dev as eybee !
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Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!
so true. people need to start respect others who giving things for free. not clinging behind their back like monkey.
Ban hammers should be given more liberally.
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answered, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole thread or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answers, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole theard or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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I lurk here on XDA for a long time and agreed that the number of noobs wanting candy has been really overwhelming. I basically just come to see discussion and to wait for my favorite developer to update their ROM and if there is no such update I just sit tight and wait. Why can't everyone else do the same?
We need more common sense and a little revision for the noob video I think. If you can't think to consider yours and others position and feelings during a discussion just shut up and wait.
It's a great loss to the community if at the end every devs feels uncomfortable in this forum.
roda1971 said:
Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!
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Just read your questions and posts.......
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And you forgot to mention the hoards of personal messages that developers get. Sure we can block messaging altogether, but that also means closing doors to a genuine discussion.
The moment a developer updates a build - 200 questions are whether one needs to wipe before flashing or not , 300 questions are whether an unreleased Android feature would work or not (e.g - 4.2), and the other 500 questions are variations of the prior two.
Deva should be able to wipe the garbage. Sometimes I've to go thru 40 pole telling me they are flashing....?,or their DL has taken a week to find what I need. Let them wipe it all.
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Maybe the solution is a read/post ratio lol. for every 2000 posts read, you may post 3
Its like with most things...
Once it gets to popular, it gets ruined, the average human being is a complete piece if garbage this is the natural order of things
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banning system should be more strict.
its the devs that need to be cared and protect not some noobs...
they are the one that spicy things up in xda..
banning should help
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Someone could give a ETA for this "Stop Eta"?
Public/open forums you can't expect anything, except that people will try to have the easiest sollution for them, because they cba , can't, don't want, don't know, lazy, no time, too (use) search.
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The rules on this forum aren't well observed and I have to mention this, cause I find it sooo funny (or maybe "IRONIC") that things like this happen on this site. I am particularly talking about the Omega ROM Series thread...
I have literally read all 3950+ pages of the Omega thread and the same question (since the upgrade from Omega 34 to 35) has been asked over and over again (with some people still patiently answering it, whilst others are getting frustrated).
Can't believe that these people are allowed to post in that thread, but because I don't have 10 posts, I can't.... Seems a bit ludicrous to me, that people are allowed to post questions over and over without first searching or reading (as per the rules), but stupid rules (like not being able to post in a developer thread unless you have 10 posts) are enforced. Especially when I have been on this site for around 9 months (but just haven't signed up before or posted anything).
Very frustrating, especially since I have a question that I haven't read in the 3950+ pages and haven't found when searching, but I can't ask it... AAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!
Sorry, needed to vent (plus it adds another post, unless a moderator deems this as inflammatory and deletes it)...
You just as bad for posting this spam!!!!
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mchlbenner said:
You just as bad for posting this spam!!!!
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Thanks.. I thought it might get a reaction. Just frustrated that's all...
This
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Thanks... Interesting that people are finding this thread to be spam (not sure I would have defined it that way, but I guess if that's how it's being taken, then I must apologise)..
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You just as bad for posting this spam!!!!
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This is not a spam this is a personal opinion.
I think that that kind of people are a must have on a forum that is this popular. Now everyone can find out with a single search that xda can make your phone wonderful or answer a lot of the questions you have. My opinion is to ignore them until they realize that they cannot get the info that way.
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This is not a spam this is a personal opinion.
I think that that kind of people are a must have on a forum that is this popular. Now everyone can find out with a single search that xda can make your phone wonderful or answer a lot of the questions you have. My opinion is to ignore them until they realize that they cannot get the info that way.
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Thanks mate. I knew this thread was always going to invoke a reaction (and probably guilty of posting inflammatory comments, so technically may not be within the rules), but at least it's helping my post count (until a moderator deletes them)...
It would seem that they were enforced, but they aren't enforced that strongly. It's because the moderators and admins have personal lives too, so they can't spend every living second here monitoring what we do and that we behave as is expected of us.
The 10-post rule isn't something they have to watch over. It's an automatic limit lifted only when the user has accumulated 10 or more posts,
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The 10-post rule isn't something they have to watch over. It's an automatic limit lifted only when the user has accumulated 10 or more posts,
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Hey there
True and not true
I remember perfectly when it was implemented, or rather why.
If memory serves me correctly, at the end of last year, early this year, the system of 10 posts was implemented precisely to avoid situations similar to the one described.
If on one hand there are people of good sense, regardless of how many posts written, it is also true that it is easier for a beginner, put the same questions repeatedly over and over again.
Unlike other "pseudo" members, when there is someone who draws attention to something that, in the opinion of the writer is incorrect, I think this kind of feedback is very welcome. If there isn´t members who express their sincere and correctly their thoughts, guaranteed that this space would not be what it is today.
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Ricardo
Same situation dude.
I have been a follower of XDA since last 3-4 years but hadnt joined till now. I bought my first android device about 3 years ago and stumbled upon XDA to know the meaning of rooting..!!! Since that time I have had numerous Android Devices and have had numerous roms for each device. I recently joined and was in a developer forum when I found a post annoying enough to comment on, but when I wanted to, XDA wouldnt let me. I had to have 10 posts. It was so frustrating, (the 10 posts rule) that I didnt visit XDA for days. But who can stay away..?? I came back and am now trying to have my 10 posts so that I can too post in developer forums.
I would like to add that there are many developers like myself, who are good at what they do. but just for the reason that they are new to join the site, but not actually new to the site, they have limited access. I hope this restriction can be waivered by some option. Like a multiple choice quiz....???
iampun33t said:
Same situation dude.
I have been a follower of XDA since last 3-4 years but hadnt joined till now. I bought my first android device about 3 years ago and stumbled upon XDA to know the meaning of rooting..!!! Since that time I have had numerous Android Devices and have had numerous roms for each device. I recently joined and was in a developer forum when I found a post annoying enough to comment on, but when I wanted to, XDA wouldnt let me. I had to have 10 posts. It was so frustrating, (the 10 posts rule) that I didnt visit XDA for days. But who can stay away..?? I came back and am now trying to have my 10 posts so that I can too post in developer forums.
I would like to add that there are many developers like myself, who are good at what they do. but just for the reason that they are new to join the site, but not actually new to the site, they have limited access. I hope this restriction can be waivered by some option. Like a multiple choice quiz....???
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How hard is it to post 10 times. Just go on anything and add an opinion and ignore it.. LOL at least that is what i did..
Meemo23 said:
How hard is it to post 10 times. Just go on anything and add an opinion and ignore it.. LOL at least that is what i did..
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Its not hard I know. Its just simply frustrating. Having to post 10 times before being able to post in developer forums and Having to wait 5 mins before next post.
Why would u make thid useless thread??!
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Why would u make thid useless thread??!
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Why would you post in this "useless thread"?
OP: I think I can address some of your concerns. As Theshawty points out, humans do the moderating and the "system" bars new users.
If I had my way, registration would be by application only or every post was hidden until approved by a moderator, but alas I'm not in charge, yet.
In instances where the same, repeat posters are ignoring developer requests & subsequent moderator warnings, they will eventually be banned. The process leading upto the ban is quite lengthy, its also detailed here --> http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/banning-policy-revealed/
This is to ensure users are given a chance to stop.
While the 10 post restriction can be frustrating, its there to protect XDA from spambots. Which has dropped significantly since its introduction.
If you see the same individual users asking the same repeated questions, hit the report button. Tell us, in as much detail. Each report is actioned by a moderator. There are 8 of us covering Samsung International handsets, we will get to it and take appropriate action.
As we're human we cannot see every post by every user in every thread. We rely on the community (you) to help shape it and keep it clean.
Thanks
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andyharney said:
Why would you post in this "useless thread"?
OP: I think I can address some of your concerns. As Theshawty points out, humans do the moderating and the "system" bars new users.
If I had my way, registration would be by application only or every post was hidden until approved by a moderator, but alas I'm not in charge, yet.
In instances where the same, repeat posters are ignoring developer requests & subsequent moderator warnings, they will eventually be banned. The process leading upto the ban is quite lengthy, its also detailed here --> http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/banning-policy-revealed/
This is to ensure users are given a chance to stop.
While the 10 post restriction can be frustrating, its there to protect XDA from spambots. Which has dropped significantly since its introduction.
If you see the same individual users asking the same repeated questions, hit the report button. Tell us, in as much detail. Each report is actioned by a moderator. There are 8 of us covering Samsung International handsets, we will get to it and take appropriate action.
As we're human we cannot see every post by every user in every thread. We rely on the community (you) to help shape it and keep it clean.
Thanks
/apologies for the text wall.
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Because if we wanted to read the rules we would click on the rules and read them when we signed up... common sense mate
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This is a very useful thread, my post count just increased :good:
Would be nice if the system could rather look at a user's "search count", or "read count". But I guess it could be tricky to configure/code that.
My point, similar to OP, I must have read more than 80% of the 2883 posts in Sotmax's ROM thread, and as a result I was able to flash and use within minutes. Been using it for more than a week, yet I am not allowed to post in his thread.
It seems counterproductive to force 10 useless posts for someone who has clearly spent a lot of time on the forum. And I understand the reasoning as explained earlier in this thread, hence my suggestion to refine the rules, if at all possible from a technical and resource point of view.
Merry Christmas all :laugh:
XDA has a system in place to prevent duplicate threads but duplicate questions within threads I imagine is a lot harder to pull off. Also those that look at the 10 post limit as 10 useless posts should reconsider what XDA is here for. It's not hard to make 10 posts.. move around the forums, ask a question, offer advice or a suggestion here and there.. its not hard to hit 10. Its that way for a reason
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iampun33t said:
Same situation dude.
I have been a follower of XDA since last 3-4 years but hadnt joined till now. I bought my first android device about 3 years ago and stumbled upon XDA to know the meaning of rooting..!!! Since that time I have had numerous Android Devices and have had numerous roms for each device. I recently joined and was in a developer forum when I found a post annoying enough to comment on, but when I wanted to, XDA wouldnt let me. I had to have 10 posts. It was so frustrating, (the 10 posts rule) that I didnt visit XDA for days. But who can stay away..?? I came back and am now trying to have my 10 posts so that I can too post in developer forums.
I would like to add that there are many developers like myself, who are good at what they do. but just for the reason that they are new to join the site, but not actually new to the site, they have limited access. I hope this restriction can be waivered by some option. Like a multiple choice quiz....???
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Thanks mate.
Totally agree... Have been developing (in other technologies) for over 20 years. Am a relative noob when it comes to Android development, but used to own the LG-P990 and was on Owain's thread for a while. There were some issues that came up in that thread quite a bit, which no-one had an answer for, but I had a fix for some of them. Of course, I couldn't post it, so was tempted to sign up then. Gotten to the point, where I think I can offer some advice, so decided I had better start posting some stuff so I could help out (and also tap into the wealth of knowledge in these forums to get help as well)...
And now you're back down to 7. If your going to spam a thread with 5-6 consecutive post to increase your post count, try not to pick one where a moderator has posted. Hit the multi quote button. No need for 6 separate posts.
See the rules could be better arranged and also looked at.
I meannthe most obvious rules i see around is the whole ' no postingnin off-topic to get your ten post' rules.
Yet the mods clearly state that you are aloowed to post in the 'say hi thread' which is in off-topic.
Seems abit of a wrong rule really.
Anyone agree?
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i have been off from xda lately due to my admission process.logged in some time ago and saw that tytung has stopped support on xda and all his threads closed.why did this happen.can someone shed a light on this.
I am not offending anybody's decision. Just curious
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Whats happened to tytung
Ah that's a real shame. He put out some great ROMs but that's what happens when you don't obey the rules I guess. It's also nice to see that the mods are completely unbiased and won't give members preferential treatment due to their titles.
Oddly, tytung's threads were all closed apparently because he stated that he would not support them (although he did update). That is the reason given in @kinfauns closing post(s). This is the first time that I am aware of, of threads being closed due to lack of support by the dev. And I can see no rule which states that a dev MUST provide support.
In fact (some) support for these threads was being provided by members, and that is the case for many threads in which the developer/OP is no longer contributing to xda for whatever reason.
People using tytung's roms and needing support on xda, have no choice now but to seek support from "another place". Is it the intention of xda to force people to use a rival site? Or is it to stop people from promoting a rival site and therefore breaking xda rules?
I am just a bit confused as to why these threads were closed, any clarification would be appreciated.
I agree with Robbie p that the threads should be kept open for the users to help each other. Still if the mods are against it we can have a support thread in the general section.
Feels to lose a great dev
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It more looks like few moderators are simply emotionally hurt(you know what I mean) because Tytung's left.
No seriously, this is dumb. I can't post and provide ANY support for Tytungs ROM's(as many other people who got knowledge) because someone closed threads.
Even if there's no Tytung's, WE can provide basic support, for older iterations of ROM. There's much magic still to be done with HD2 android.
This is abusive. Mod responsible for this kind of damage should be punished.
Robbie P said:
Oddly, tytung's threads were all closed apparently because he stated that he would not support them (although he did update). That is the reason given in @kinfauns closing post(s). This is the first time that I am aware of, of threads being closed due to lack of support by the dev. And I can see no rule which states that a dev MUST provide support.
In fact (some) support for these threads was being provided by members, and that is the case for many threads in which the developer/OP is no longer contributing to xda for whatever reason.
People using tytung's roms and needing support on xda, have no choice now but to seek support from "another place". Is it the intention of xda to force people to use a rival site? Or is it to stop people from promoting a rival site and therefore breaking xda rules?
I am just a bit confused as to why these threads were closed, any clarification would be appreciated.
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disclaimer ....the following reply is only my opinions
i agree with you ..there are many threads in the hd2 android dev section that should also be closed for no dev support ..in fact 98 percent of them shold be closed for lack of dev support
but what i think was the underlying problem was his links for roms went to links that generated money for him..
and i know if i was a dev that had 3 or 4 different rom threads i wouldnt wanna have to monitor 3 or 4 different q/a&t threads for those roms either that would make 6 or 8 threads a dev would have to monitor ,most dont have the time for that
hell you can see the activity in both sections has almost ground to a crawl ..its as if xda is slowly trying to fade out the hd2 android section
dont be surprised if you see some of the few remaining devs stop making roms and move on to something else
and those posts about about this being a dev thread please post in the q&a section blah blah blah are not helpfull to anyone and just clutter up the dev threads even more then offtopic posts do ..xda is trying to do much to late .ive been on xda since 2010 and there was never a problem with how the threads were maintained and handled ..
hell if the wanna do something good for the forum ..then they should change the signup rules and stop all the lazy people from just coming in new and immediatly posting about something that they couldve searched and read about but are to lazy to and want it all handed to them on a silver plate .....also they could remove people like abumaha who has never posted a single post about how good a rom is ..but always post how do i do this and why doesnt this rom work
ok im off my soapbox now
^ Still don't believe that abumaha is somehow still here :') But yeah I agree with Kam, things haven't been done completely correctly IMO.
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+1 to kameirus i agree 143%
and abuhama.. just lol
on off topic on topic, if you want to find tytung , just google "forum tytung android" and you should find his forums
Everyone knows the mod's in question were just looking for an excuse they could give. He had dropped a new hd2 rom about 2 or 3 weeks prior. He had instructions on how to install it in post 1. Exactly how much "support" does a dev have to provide the users anyway? It was bs plain and simple....oh and if you looked at his status later they knocked him down to a "Senior Member"......I haven't seen any of the OTHER idle dev's getting their status pulled for being "idle".
As mentioned..they've done an excellent job of killing off the hd2 forum....there is almost no active development going on and the closest rom to tytungs still has a long list of things marked "not working". Tytung was also the only one producing recent jelly bean kernels with hd2 specific fixes so everything worked.
famewolf said:
1. Exactly how much "support" does a dev have to provide the users anyway? It was bs plain and simple....oh and if you looked at his status later they knocked him down to a "Senior Member"......I haven't seen any of the OTHER idle dev's getting their status pulled for being "idle".
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now that was very low from them
famewolf said:
As mentioned..they've done an excellent job of killing off the hd2 forum....there is almost no active development going on and the closest rom to tytungs still has a long list of things marked "not working". Tytung was also the only one producing recent jelly bean kernels with hd2 specific fixes so everything worked.
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That's right. all they're doing is killing the HD2 forums ...
i had reported all the "thread closed" posts by that mod, and i got:
tytung was not being picked on. This action was not taken lightly, or by kinfauns alone. tytung left us no choices.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator
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but in addition to close his threads, they also lowered him to senior member???
sorry if this is rude, but kinda reminds me of when a kid has his candy bar stoled, and he does everything to take revenge and take it back. enough for me
I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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It does feel like some immature revenge.
It's not like only Tytung's got punished, but XDA users who were using his ROM's
I got unnerving thought, that this whole action is to bury HD2 development and make it Low legacy. While it's still in it's strenght despite old age
Shame on you XDA
MarkAtHome said:
I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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yeah! i just bet anyone who made this decision to port android and then build it from source and support a device that was never intended to run android in the first place!
Some of you may remember me from back in the "glory days" of Android on the HD2 when Cotulla and Darkstone were making the very first ROMs. I was here daily loading new builds, even when you could not turn the screen off one time or you'd get the SOD. That was when you could only do it through haret.
Fast forward a bit and we had magldr and cLK and where we really had a million options. Personally after a while I would pretty much stick with ACA on SD dual booted with WP7, but there were some really cool things out there to do. I spent many hours trying to troubleshoot people to flash hspl 2.08 or the right radio or to NOT flash certain radios etc. to get things going right.
Tytung was one of the greats as far as ROM and kernel development, and I am not prevaricating when I tell you that there is no XDA Staff on this site who does not respect what Tytung brought to the table. To put it in very simple yet eloquent terms: Dude had skill...
But our standing policy at XDA has always been that we do not keep open development threads with no support. Due to the fact that we just don't talk about individual dealings in public at XDA for privacy concerns we cannot get into specifics. But I can tell you that XDA has zero to gain from a developer such as that no longer supporting development threads here.
When something like this happens, there is no "victory" and no winner. sometimes things just don't work out for various reasons, and then sometimes things work out just fine in the end.
I can respect the disappointment and ambivalence on this matter, and believe me when I say that the HD2 is still a mighty device worthy of respect. I still own an HD2 along with all of the other devices I use, and it can still do some cool stuff. I wouldn't consider it a Legacy Device just yet!
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We understand all of this, but why close the threads? If you check the second or third page of the development forum and further, you can see many, and I mean MANY threads of ROMs which are either discontinued or whose developers moved onto other things, other devices. Yet, they are still open, and from time to time you see people bringing them back to surface and getting help. Just because the developer ceased support, it doesn't mean the threads should be closed. Delete his links, remove his other websites, just keep the threads open for members' discussion.
If the developer haven't requested a closure, I don't see a reason why they should be closed.
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We understand all of this, but why close the threads? If you check the second or third page of the development forum and further, you can see many, and I mean MANY threads of ROMs which are either discontinued or whose developers moved onto other things, other devices. Yet, they are still open, and from time to time you see people bringing them back to surface and getting help. Just because the developer ceased support, it doesn't mean the threads should be closed. Delete his links, remove his other websites, just keep the threads open for members' discussion.
If the developer haven't requested a closure, I don't see a reason why they should be closed.
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When a developer publicly announces he will no longer follow the rules, no longer support his work posted here, and is actively trying to recruit members away from XDA to his new site, what do you really expect us to do? Cooperate with this effort? Seriously? Sure there are lots of other threads that have been effectively abandoned by their dev/OP when they moved on to a new device, but we simply do not have the luxury of time to go sift through thousands of threads to find them. When they are reported, we evaluate the situation and then act on it according to our guidelines.
Decisions like this are never made quickly, lightly, or on the fly by a single mod here. Now, I am closing this thread and I would appreciate it if no further threads were opened on this topic as it won't help to resolve the situation but will only make it worse.
You all do not know all of the facts in this situation, nor will you as we must respect tytung's privacy in his communications with us so we will not divulge them publicly. tytung is not banned or blacklisted, and is welcome to return here should he change his mind about following the rules. If he does not want to do that, it is entirely up to him.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator