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okay guys, I tried to figure this out without bothering yall, but my newb knowledge is limited and I'm confused as hell. I was planning on rooting my phone today after reading about all the information I've been collecting from you guys, but now that I have updated my phone, will Toast's method using those files still allow me to root? Or do I need new files in order to root my phone? I see some files on developer page on new root but I'm confused if those are for phones already rooted or not...ahhhh
so I guess I'm asking is..if you have stock phone with new update applied, how do I go about rooting my evo?
We don't know yet. You should not have updated.
Quick and straight to the point, thanks for your reply. I guess I'm a motherfreakin idiot with the worst timing in the world for things like this. FML
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We don't know yet. You should not have updated.
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quick question; if i root with Toast's method, then install the rooted updated rom that's in the dev section (by Calkulin), that should be fine, right?
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quick question; if i root with Toast's method, then install the rooted updated rom that's in the dev section (by Calkulin), that should be fine, right?
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So in order to fully root and nand unlock stock evo with new update, all I have to do is follow Toast's step 1&2 then apply the new rooted update on developer site? just wanna get things crystal clear so I don't risk bricking my evo..
I don't know or think it has been confirmed to work with the new update yet.
Toast step 1 will root the phone
Toast step 2 will unlock nand
Installing the new rooted update will flash the stock sprint rom without breaking your root.
mizerab1e said:
So in order to fully root and nand unlock stock evo with new update, all I have to do is follow Toast's step 1&2 then apply the new rooted update on developer site? just wanna get things crystal clear so I don't risk bricking my evo..
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No. We don't even know if you can use Toast's method to root it. You can be the guinea pig and post results, though!
initial said:
yup.
Toast step 1 will root the phone
Toast step 2 will unlock nand
Installing the new rooted update will flash the stock sprint rom without breaking your root.
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There is some info going around in dev forum saying Toast's method will not work if you have the new OTA update applied on stock EVO saying you will get error messages and stuff although it will not brick your phone which is adding to more confusion..
has anyone successfully rooted their stock evo with new OTA update applied? or do I need to wait until devs come up with new files needed to root the evo?
mizerab1e said:
There is some info going around in dev forum saying Toast's method will not work if you have the new OTA update applied on stock EVO saying you will get error messages and stuff although it will not brick your phone which is adding to more confusion..
has anyone successfully rooted their stock evo with new OTA update applied? or do I need to wait until devs come up with new files needed to root the evo?
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All you have to do is place a file in the root of your SD card and reboot the phone. Try it out and post your results!
mizerab1e said:
Quick and straight to the point, thanks for your reply. I guess I'm a motherfreakin idiot with the worst timing in the world for things like this. FML
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You and me both my friend, you and me both. Sat there as the update came up and thought, I bet this is going to prevent me from rooting today ...
Yeah, ALL root is broken if you install the OTA.
Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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They're busy working on the kernel. Everybody was warned not to accept the OTA and those of us that chose to do it have to lie in our beds until the developers get around to it.
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They're busy working on the kernel. Everybody was warned not to accept the OTA and those of us that chose to do it have to lie in our beds until the developers get around to it.
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Seems like that is the case, someone from dev forum suggested that downgrading the OTA to previous one then rooting might wield some fruit, If I can figure out how to do that I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig for you guys.
TheBiles said:
All you have to do is place a file in the root of your SD card and reboot the phone. Try it out and post your results!
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I'm not quite sure which file you're talking about, could you elaborate some more?
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Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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They busted their asses to get root the first time, and, as of right now, every EVO that you buy is capable of being rooted. Only people who update without heeding the warnings are affected, so it is kind of hard to convince a dev to throw down all of their current work to go back and try to solve this AGAIN. It should be a general rule of thumb that you NEVER install manufacturer's updates on any piece of electronics that you are interested in hacking/modifying/changing in any way. 99% of the time they provide some kind of security fixes that are not announced.
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Seems like that is the case, someone from dev forum suggested that downgrading the OTA to previous one then rooting might wield some fruit, If I can figure out how to do that I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig for you guys.
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It doesn't work. I've already tried it. The bootloader is locked.
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They busted their asses to get root the first time, and, as of right now, every EVO that you buy is capable of being rooted. Only people who update without heeding the warnings are affected, so it is kind of hard to convince a dev to throw down all of their current work to go back and try to solve this AGAIN. It should be a general rule of thumb that you NEVER install manufacturer's updates on any piece of electronics that you are interested in hacking/modifying/changing in any way. 99% of the time they provide some kind of security fixes that are not announced.
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I have no doubt in my mind the devs are doing everything they can to provide us with their brilliant work, I have no one but myself to blame for updating the OTA without heeding their warnings. I'm sure once the devs iron out all the issues with previously rooted system, they will get around to us as they always have. I just wish there was any way I can contribute to putting some light onto this matter for those who made the mistake of updating their OTA..
Yeah, was kicking myself as I knew it was a mistake.
Am willing to try out some ish too, that is if an extra Guinea is needed.
Here's the reply an Acer representative posted on Acer ANZ Facebook page:
"the A501 update has two more security patch integrated hence the slight delay on the update. The date is very likely to be tomorrow, that the first batch of users are going to receive FOTA update notification. Australia & New Zealand are amongst the first countries with the updates made available. Appreciate your understanding and hopefully the update will be with you shortly.".
This was posted around 3.30 PM of the 09/19 (UTC).
Just remember...
DON'T RUSH TO APPLY IT OR YOU'LL LOSE ROOT!
Wait for the devs to modify the OTA and take out the new bootloader and recovery...
This is like the millionth time I've read that 3.2 is unrootable... LoL Repetita iuvant
chiasottis said:
This is like the millionth time I've read that 3.2 is unrootable... LoL Repetita iuvant
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Considering how many idiots have flashed it and then come in here crying about it, it bares repeating.
So, in your opinion, is everyone that flashed the 3.2 an idiot or just those that are now crying about it?
mac4402 said:
So, in your opinion, is everyone that flashed the 3.2 an idiot or just those that are now crying about it?
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Very good question. I updated fully knowing I would loose root, however I have full confidence that the devs will work it out.
Sent from my A500 using xda premium
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So, in your opinion, is everyone that flashed the 3.2 an idiot or just those that are now crying about it?
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The ones that are crying about it, obviously.
After searching on this forum and others, I updated to 3.2, at the time I could not find anything stating that you couldn't root it, but also nothing saying you could. I did however see a few posts from people doing previous upgrades saying that they managed to maintain root. At the time I realized there was a risk I wouldn't be able to root it, but it seemed likely I would. I also figured that if I couldn't root it, at least I could always flash back to 3.1 and root that.
Unfortunately I was wrong on both counts. Since that time I, and others, have made sure that anyone who asks is very aware of the risks so that others don't make the same mistake that I did.
I'm not really complaining though, I do have full confidence that 3.2 will be rooted in time, and while I enjoy having a rooted tablet, and use many applications that require it, not having root is not a deal breaker for me. and I still enjoy the tablet (though I must say the ads are drivng me nuts!)
I guess this is what I get for being an early adopter.
Looks like that was true. Downloading now on my A501...
I'm calling it "Acer Payback" for originally giving us the most easy to root device I've ever seen
Besides, anybody who roots and installs a custom recovery should know...Never take an OTA factory update, or at least be cautious about doing it.
One poster on another forum, was advised by Acer Support to do a factory reset to roll back to factory
I'm no rocket scientist, but doesn't that involve using that pinhole by the rocker?
Anybody try this yet? Results?
Not sure about what your question means... Update wouldn't install ("update not valid" error), so I did a Factory Reset: Settings -> Privacy -> Factory Reset (backup your internal SD as it'll be formatted). After that the update completed fine.
First impressions: snappier; some stuff (like keyboard) looks crispier on screen; more stable networks; new movie editor; etc.
Definitely a huge improvemente over 3.0.1.
So guys.. could anyone say what should i do to take safe OTA update while i have rooted a501 HV hc3.2 CWM? What are steps to do this not bricking our tab?
As guys said i could wait for way to root stock rom.
This is a judgement call. Basically, if you're happy being rooted, and you're running a custom rom with 3.2, I really see no need to revert back to stock, unless you have a lot of funky issues.
Personally, I wouldn't look forward to setting things up all over again, then having to wait till the devs com eup with another root, which may not be as easy as before. Not to mention I would lose ad-hoc support along with a couple of root required apps.
But if you have issues, then by all means, run the OTA.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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if you're happy being rooted, and you're running a custom rom with 3.2, I really see no need to revert back to stock
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Reality call: not everyone wants to flash a custom rom. I've been flashing roms on WinMo, then Android for years and I've come to the conclusion that, no matter what, stock is better. The only time custom may be preferable is once the device isn't anymore updated officially.
As a side note, please notice that we A501 users were still running 3.0.1 prior to this update and, as you know, that ROM was terrible. This is why I preferred updating immediately (and having, finally, a device that works well) without waiting for root and other mods, which I can live well without.
You could download the FOTA and modify it to remove the new bootloader and recovery and get it rooted, like ezterry did with the A500 version. Maybe try contacting him on exactly what to modify...
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Reality call: not everyone wants to flash a custom rom.
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No reality call needed . If you had looked at the guys post, he/she is running Honey Villain3.2, which I believe is a custom Rom. The post was wether or not there was a need to revert back to a non-rootable factory rom, without taking a chance of things going bad.
I really couldn't tell you about 3.0. It lasted about 20 minutes after I bought my 501. To say that "3.0 was a terrible Rom", and then say "Stock is better", is a contradiction in itself.
Flashing any rom, should be a personal choice, of course there are pro's and con's which each person has to decide. And they should do their homework beforehand.
So really, there is no need to get "snippy"
But then again, there are always trolls about
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No reality call needed . If you had looked at the guys post, he/she is running Honey Villain3.2, which I believe is a custom Rom. The post was wether or not there was a need to revert back to a non-rootable factory rom.
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Ops! Didn't see that post; I thought you had come here to instruct us to discard stock in favor of custom. Sorry.
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So really, there is no need to get "snippy"
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I didn't get "snippy". I'm just tired to read, every single time there's some problem, "flash a custom" as the only solution. It wasn't your case, though, sorry.
No problemo.
But as you say, flashing is not a cure for everything. But for those of us who like to tweak things, it's nice to know we have that choice.
I just wish people would read about these things, before they get themselves in trouble.
Or the best is "I rooted, now what?"
Or, "I didn't see my exact model, but I flashed one that was close".
yea thats what i meant. I had rooted my device cuz 3.0.1 was awful. Again, i have to roll back to 3.0.1 since i have instaled 3.2 ( some factory default ??) Or what? And as you gays said Id like tu be sure before i start doing anything in this subject.
miszi said:
i have to roll back to 3.0.1 since i have instaled 3.2 ( some factory default ??)
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Yes, you must go back to stock to update.
For all you guys and gals looking to root and enjoy the goodness of custom ROMs and kernels, PLEASE don't go digging up ancient rooting methods and old, obsolete kernels and other ephemera. There are more old, outdated threads floating around page one in the Development Section and people are getting themselves in trouble, or at least frustrated with dead links, etc.
If you want to root or customize, make sure the method/ROM/Kernel at least works for your Honeycomb version.
If anyone started an older thread in Development that is outdated now, could you consider putting "obsolete" in the title, like Team Tiamat did with Manta Ray and Katana?
We're going to be seeing a lot of new development soon, so maybe we can clean up the joint a little? OK, I'm done now.
Good call. I've had my Xoom since late September and it took me forever to figure out what was current here and what was not. I did figure it out though, and have my Xoom running exactly the same as in your sig.
Bairman said:
Good call. I've had my Xoom since late September and it took me forever to figure out what was current here and what was not. I did figure it out though, and have my Xoom running exactly the same as in your sig.
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Good going! But it would have been nice if you could have put your finger right on the latest mods and guides, without fighting your way through all the flotsam, right?
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Good going! But it would have been nice if you could have put your finger right on the latest mods and guides, without fighting your way through all the flotsam, right?
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Exactly... and that's why my first post to the forum was my response here. I'm usually a lurk and learn kinda guy, but your post was so apropos I had to chime in.
Yeah, def took a little while to sort thru what was current and relevant, especially after 4G modifications...
Hmm, since I picked up some of the new Adobe apps I've been thinking I should start allocating some time everyday to figure out how to root/install roms so I can OC my Xoom (I get a bit of lag here and there).
What would you guys recommend I do? Before I read this I was just about to dive into the numerous threads and poke around, but I can see myself following a possibly outdated method. Tiamat seems to be pretty popular, but with ICS coming soon, should I wait a bit to see if I can put that on my Xoom?
edit: should mention that I'm on 3.1 Wifi Xoom.
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Hmm, since I picked up some of the new Adobe apps I've been thinking I should start allocating some time everyday to figure out how to root/install roms so I can OC my Xoom (I get a bit of lag here and there).
What would you guys recommend I do? Before I read this I was just about to dive into the numerous threads and poke around, but I can see myself following a possibly outdated method. Tiamat seems to be pretty popular, but with ICS coming soon, should I wait a bit to see if I can put that on my Xoom?
edit: should mention that I'm on 3.1 Wifi Xoom.
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You have a couple options-both good ones: you can root and install ClockworkMod Recovery and. the Tiamat Moray ROM and the new Odachi kernel using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 (get Odachi kernel from Development thread), and then wait a short time for our developers to cook up some ICS ROMS/kernels. Or, remain stock unrooted so you can get the ICS update OTA. Just be aware the unlocking will result in wiping your device and flashing a new rom will require a data wipe, so make sure to back-up everything. When you root, back-ups are much easier and restoration much more comprhensive--another great reason to root your Xoom.
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You have a couple options-both good ones: you can root and install ClockworkMod Recovery and. the Tiamat Moray ROM and the new Odachi kernel using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 (get Odachi kernel from Development thread), and then wait a short time for our developers to cook up some ICS ROMS/kernels. Or, remain stock unrooted so you can get the ICS update OTA. Just be aware the unlocking will result in wiping your device and flashing a new rom will require a data wipe, so make sure to back-up everything. When you root, back-ups are much easier and restoration much more comprhensive--another great reason to root your Xoom.
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Thanks for the reply!
I never got too deep into rooting and roms; at most I've just used one of those one-click-root apps for my Captivate, but since I went 3.2 even that's unrooted now. I miss Titanium Backup.
I'm about to head to sleep so I haven't looked, but is it expected that our Xooms will get ICS? I mainly want a faster experience, but ICS looks pretty so I'd like to get that too without having to get a new device.
edit: I think I'll give that link a go tomorrow after work.
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Thanks for the reply!
I never got too deep into rooting and roms; at most I've just used one of those one-click-root apps for my Captivate, but since I went 3.2 even that's unrooted now. I miss Titanium Backup.
I'm about to head to sleep so I haven't looked, but is it expected that our Xooms will get ICS? I mainly want a faster experience, but ICS looks pretty so I'd like to get that too without having to get a new device.
edit: I think I'll give that link a go tomorrow after work.
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okantomi's guide is great. It's what I ended up using. One point to note, if you're planning to use the Moray ROM, step five isn't necessary since Moray is pre-rooted. Adding the Odachi kernel makes it run velvety smooth.
Everything I've read says that not only will the Xoom get ICS, it may be the first tablet to get it.
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okantomi's guide is great. It's what I ended up using. One point to note, if you're planning to use the Moray ROM, step five isn't necessary since Moray is pre-rooted. Adding the Odachi kernel makes it run velvety smooth.
Everything I've read says that not only will the Xoom get ICS, it may be the first tablet to get it.
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Thanks for the reminder. I'll make a note of it in the Guide. I don't want anyone to have to do any unneeded steps. It's complex as it is.
I finally decided I would take the plunge and move from 3.1 to 3.2 after I saw the "voodoo OTA RootKeeper". I had been rooted previously. Sadly, after the update, the software DID NOT work and now I'm stuck with an unrooted device. Will this get me back to rooted? Or should I just downgrade back to 3.1? I would rather NOT lose my data. My current build is Acer_A500_7.006.01_COM_GEN2.
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I finally decided I would take the plunge and move from 3.1 to 3.2 after I saw the "voodoo OTA RootKeeper". I had been rooted previously. Sadly, after the update, the software DID NOT work and now I'm stuck with an unrooted device. Will this get me back to rooted? Or should I just downgrade back to 3.1? I would rather NOT lose my data. My current build is Acer_A500_7.006.01_COM_GEN2.
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Yes either will work.
Don't that piss you off? Thanks Acer.
I did the downgrade, since rooting with iconiaroot is so easy, and I was on 3.2.1. The downgrade should work just fine, just make sure you have iconiaroot and acer recovery installer installed before downgrading, it makes life a lot easier since your keyboard wont work after downgrading. The downgrade method rom isnt for normal use, so root with it and install rooted 3.2.
that is sad.. I had just read an article about this app and was going to ask about it around here... Have you contacted the app developer and let them know??
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that is sad.. I had just read an article about this app and was going to ask about it around here... Have you contacted the app developer and let them know??
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TimmyDeans method, will avoid the crappy keyboard, although you can turn off functions to make it behave.
One of the important things, is the CPUID (I believe it's called) number it generates.
For anybody considering messing with things, this is a number you should always write down, and keep in a safe place.
As if you ever get a true "brick", you will need this number. And if you have a true brick, you won't be able to get it.
Just some friendly advice from a learned person.
VERY good advice from Moscow Desire, another hint is if you have connected your a500/501 to a pc then you can use an app (can't remember what its called) to find the cpuid off the pc. Its available here on xda but I seem to have misplaced it on my pc or I'd give you the name....
So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is no solution to root a TP that's already applied the 2.0 update?
I've tried the root methods already obtainable on here and they don't work. I'm guessing (more hoping) that someone is working on finding a solution.
Makes me sad. A co-worker updated it for me because "it said it needed to update it so I did it for you"... *sigh*
OTA2 removed the exploit unless you were already rooted and used Voodoo Rootkeeper to maintain root during the update. I haven't heard the outcome with regards to 2.5. I don't want to risk root so won't be updating unless it's safe.
2.5 is out ? which your version of tablet ?
16gb us. Was delivered last week.
Yeah, I didn't have it rooted before so yeah.
Either people like us find a way to downgrade or wait until a new exploit is found. The former seems easier but my knowledge of these things isn't very high...
Yeah, I'm not sure how to either. I'm good at following directions but when a "friend" upgrades your device for you...
As for downgrading, I don't think that'll be an option until someone finds a Lenovo rom flash utility.
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16gb us. Was delivered last week.
Yeah, I didn't have it rooted before so yeah.
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2. 5 was not available to US last week. How did you get it? Supposedly it's still going through certification. 0086_US is 2.0. What version are you?
Oh hell.... I've been reading too many posts on the Lenovo forums. My apologies, I am running OTA 2.0 NOT 2.5. I will correct my first post and title.
I'm running ThinkPadTablet_A310_02_0039_0086_US.
Okay. Thanks. No worries, but was scratching my head, looking puzzled.
Haha! I can understand. I have that look a lot sadly. I appreciate you telling me as I had no clue as to what exactly I was saying.
Now, if anyone knows someone on the inside at Lenovo that could get the flash utility...
LOL If only.
And now we wait. Did NOT expect CM9 to come out so fast and be working so didn't care much for root otherwise. Oh well, that was my fault and I knew I'd lose root for the time being. Now I wait patiently, since the primary work of the developers now is making CM9 to work properly so w/e.
Why isn't there a way to downgrade the rom to 075? The tab has a recovery boot. If it could be downgraded, it could then be rooted , then updated.
No way to downgrade, unless you know something the rest of us are unaware of. There's a bunch of folks that either can't root at all, or took OTA2 before getting root/without preserving root. We've been told that there's nothing to be done for the time being.
I don't know how to do it, but I know that's how other tabs got around the problem. I only say it in case someone does.
AFAIK, the problem is the recovery's signature check.. if it recognizes that the update.zip to flash is older than the build actually installed, it won't install the new ROM.
Thanks. Noob enough that I couldn't explain it, just knew it doesn't work.
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AFAIK, the problem is the recovery's signature check.. if it recognizes that the update.zip to flash is older than the build actually installed, it won't install the new ROM.
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I wonder what it takes to defeat the check? There must be an update script that performs that check. Editing elements of the update script has been the key to other "can't be done" situations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22918839[WIP][4.0.3]ICS CM9 ThinkPad Tablet PORT
I'm going to keep putting forth suggestions instead of claiming something can't be done. Afterall, the point of this entire forum is to work togther to overcome obstacles.
While I don't know a lot about these things, if it could be done, it would have been. This forum is overflowing with posts from owners of all kinds devices asking how to downgrade their respective device so they can take root. It's not an uncommon request, and one that I have researched for another device, only to find the same answer. Hey if you find out how to do it, you'll make a fortune.
Two other tablets, the Flyer and the View downgrade to gingerbread, then unlock bootloader, then root, then update to honeycomb, then custom roms are applied. They got the idea from another tab, the Iconia, who got it from the Transformer . . .
I'm just trying to push good and bad ideas to someone with the skills. It's about not taking 'no' as an answer.
Here's the thread for Flyer/View:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21028879[Procedure]No HTC unlock downgrade HC-GB for official OTA