Ok I just purchased & received a Dell Venue Pro Unlocked from Dell and am rather frustrated and close to just returning it.
Anyway let me give a quick background, I started with a LG G2x and returned it (way too many issues with the phone) and went back to my iPhone which only works with Edge Data. So once I cleared up the issue with the G2x I decided to give a Windows phone a whirl and picked the Dell Venue Pro believing it supported 3G.
I powered it on and set everything up and have been only getting Edge (I only have the E symbol next to my cell signal bar). I contacted T-Mobile and they switched me to a Windows data plan (or as they called it 4G Unlimited EM+ plan). I'm still only getting Edge where when I had my G2x I'd get 4G.
So I have basically 2 questions:
1) Seeing as how T-Mobiles 3G Bands are 1700 up / 2100 down and this phone only supports 2100. Does it really work on T-Mobiles 3G network
2) If a 4G phone was able to get 4G wouldn't that mean I would receive 3G on a 3G device in the same area?
Anyway any help would be appreciated so I can decide if I should or want to return it.
3G/4G
The Dell Venue Pro does not currently support 4G and 4G/3G are not compatible. The Venue Pro will connect to 3G when in a T-Mobile 3G spot (or least mine does). So, you'll get Edge when the T-Mobile 3G is not available.
Why do you say your phone only supports the 2100 band? Are you sure you got the t-mo version and not at&t? The signal can fluctuate but if its a T-mo model you should get 3G in the same place you had with your previous phone.
Homedesigner said:
The Dell Venue Pro does not currently support 4G and 4G/3G are not compatible. The Venue Pro will connect to 3G when in a T-Mobile 3G spot (or least mine does). So, you'll get Edge when the T-Mobile 3G is not available.
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I know the DVP doesn't support 4G only 3G and Edge. I was just stating with my old 4G phone I was able to pull 4G where I'm at, but I wasn't sure if a 4G phone can get 4G does that imply that in that area a 3G phone should get 3G.
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Why do you say your phone only supports the 2100 band? Are you sure you got the t-mo version and not at&t? The signal can fluctuate but if its a T-mo model you should get 3G in the same place you had with your previous phone.
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I bought it via Dell's website and they only offer the Pro version for T-Mobile. But even though I went into the T-Mobile section to buy the unlocked version doesn't mean Dell shipped me the correct phone. Though under the AT&T section they only offer the Venue with Android OS.
Here are the bands it supports:
UMTS 2100/1900/850
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
Since I don't see 1700 listed I'm unsure if this model supports T-Mobile 3G or not.
They do sell an AT&T version. Even though its not on the website currently, they certainly do sell versions for both networks.
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They do sell an AT&T version. Even though its not on the website currently, they certainly do sell versions for both networks.
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Every search I've done on Google all I've seen was AT&T Dell Venue Pro and other sellers do offer a model that supports AT&T 3G.
I just wish I knew a way to know which one I was sent. I called Dell and they say the one I have is T-Mobile but I'm the kind of person that has to see it, anyone can make a claim but without proof to back it up.
Is there any way to verify on the phone which model I actually got? I've been to the diagnostic menu and double tapped below the MMS field and then typed the top row keys left to right to unhide the other options.
I've been to protocol and entere the password. In there under another tab I can see that it shows the W-CDMA 1700 but still nothing that shows that band is enabled or not.
I believe I found the reason behind no 3G. Under the T-Mobile section they are selling the UMTS version for whatever reason. That version is optimized for AT&T since it supports all their bands.
But if I select the phone section and customize the DVP Unlocked they have the AWS version which is optimized for T-Mobile and has the 1700 band. My box shows it's the UMTS version
I have both a ATT and a Tmobile DVP in front of me right now. They both work with their correct carriers.
for t-mobile. i'm normally get H, but sometimes 3g.
Check the box it came in.. make sure you got the right model.
the ATT is UMTS 2100/1900/850 Edge/GSM 1900/1800/900/850 - and it is on the box (as it is right in front of me now)
it is also VERY clear which phone is for which network when you buy it:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=mobile-venue-pro
From dell's site:
Let’s take the Dell Venue Smartphone as a specific example. Venue has two base product versions from the frequency band support perspective:
1.Version One has the following:
2G support: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (GSM/GPRS/EDGE)
3G support (WCDMA): 850/1900/2100
This version supports quad-band 2G and 2100 3G, therefore it has largely global capability in either 2G or 3G. It also supports the 850/1900 MHZ bands required by AT&T in the US. This version would be recommended for consumers with AT&T service.
2.Version Two has the following:
2G support: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (GSM/GPRS/EDGE)
3G support (WCDMA): 900/1700/2100 (1700 is also known as the AWS band)
This version also supports quad-band 2G and 2100 3G, therefore it has largely global capability in either 2G or 3G. It also supports the 1700 MHZ bands required by T-Mobile in the US. This version would be recommended for consumers with T-Mobile service.
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Zurvv said:
I have both a ATT and a Tmobile DVP in front of me right now. They both work with their correct carriers.
for t-mobile. i'm normally get H, but sometimes 3g.
Check the box it came in.. make sure you got the right model.
the ATT is UMTS 2100/1900/850 Edge/GSM 1900/1800/900/850 - and it is on the box (as it is right in front of me now)
it is also VERY clear which phone is for which network when you buy it:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=mobile-venue-pro
From dell's site:
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I got the AT&T version, I do take 50% of the blame on that since I should have checked the specs prior to ordering but I assumed when I clicked to look at phones for T-Mobile and selecting the unlocked DVP it would be configured for T-Mobile. Obviously that was a wrong assumption. The other 50% blame is them for putting the wrong version in the T-Mobile category.
Now if I selected to choose a smart phone without selecting a carrier first and doing it that way I am given the choice of either T-Mobile (AWS) or AT&T (UMTS). I have to contact Dell tomorrow and setup an exchange for the correct model.
If you go here: http://www.dell.com/us/p/t-mobile-mobile-broadband.aspx
And select the unlocked version you are not given the option to select AWS or UMTS, they only give you the UMTS version. Purchasing it via the link you provided does give that important option.
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I have to contact Dell tomorrow and setup an exchange for the correct model.
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Good luck, you will need it. I am sure they will handle your request, hopefully you dont lose sanity in the process!!
At least you know what the problem is, hopefully dell's typically bad CS will have an off day and will sort you out quickly.
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Good luck, you will need it. I am sure they will handle your request, hopefully you dont lose sanity in the process!!
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At least you know what the problem is, hopefully dell's typically bad CS will have an off day and will sort you out quickly.
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I had a small taste of it trying to figure out the problem. First CS told me my phone is configured for 3G both AT&T & T-Mobile. Even though I told them I need the 1700 Band, they admitted mine doesn't have it but I only need the 2100 band and if I still had issues to call T-Mobile to solve it.
When I finally figured out what went wrong I contacted them again and this CS actually told me they see that I purchased the AT&T version not T-Mobile but I'd have to call support to perform an exchange.
So we'll see which of the 2 I get tomorrow. Though I figure worst case is I'll submit an RMA and send this one back and purchase the right one a little later in the day. Good thing is I'm not hurting for a phone in the mean time, just a hassle to spend all that time setting this one up and now I'm having to do it again. Oh well....
I just got my T-Mobile Dell Venue Pro yesterday and my 3G is working great!
The distinction is between AWS and PCS (not "UMTS," which is the GSM 3G standard, in use on both AT&T and T-Mobile phones).
AWS=1700(+2100)
PCS=850/1900
You bought the AT&T version.
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anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
anybody have luck or an answer for this one?
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anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
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that would be a no then, 2100Mhz is what the athena is capable of AFAIK
I have used the Athena on both T-Mobile and AT&T Networks in the US without issues.
I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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that seems odd, Current roms do not have the T-Mobile US band included, nor is the current radio capable of running the t-mobile 1700 band in the USA. ATT band is 3g/UTMS 850/1900 and Europe is 3g/UTMS 800/2100
T-Mobile Edge would work fine though
Hi, sometimes the 3g pop's up on my x7501 its not all the time but next time it does I will take a screen shot of it. Maybe its an error I have no idea...TJ
some roms incorrectly show that instead of edge !
Ok thanks...TJ
So is it possible to get T-mo 3g on athena?
T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
I can connect easily to TMobile. I get the "E" sign showing on the antennae.
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T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
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It is hardware driven. Unfortunately this is why I'm going to switch over to AT & T because of the downgrade to get 3g service from a phone that NO OTHER Networks in the world uses is pointless IMHO. I don't know what T Mo was drinking or smoking, and when I asked the level 1 techs they said no future talks or expectations of using the NORMAL 1900/2100 Frequency like other 3g networks. Sux if you ask me.
Thanks for the note on hardware capability
I got similar responses from the techs at T-mo except I also got a moment of false hope when one incorrectly told me that their 3g is on 1900, I went nuts trying, then called back & someone else told me that it was in fact on 1700/2100. As I've been reading, their reason (though a huge pain in the ass for us) was to separate voice and data so one wouldn't steal bandwith from the other. Makes sense, though it would be easier to deal with if I had some REAL options other than G1 and crappy kids phones.
Since T-Mo has the best price for some pretty decent service (except EDGE that is), I've heard of some T-Mo users getting just an AT&T data plan alongside T-Mo voice, I'm not sure how it's done, do you need 1/2 simms, or what. If you find yourself doing this, I would like to hear your feedback.
Otherwise, I'll keep my fingers crossed that HTC will use some common sense, and use 1700/2100 in future US versions.
I have just taken a job in the states and brought my phone with me. I was expecting to be able to get 3g when I insert an AT&T or T-Mobile sim card. Unfortauntely the best that the phone seems to be able to get is Edge.
After doing a bit of research it seems that in the US they are using differnt frequencies.
Does anyone know of a fix which would allow my phone to get 3g in the states?
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I have just taken a job in the states and brought my phone with me. I was expecting to be able to get 3g when I insert an AT&T or T-Mobile sim card. Unfortauntely the best that the phone seems to be able to get is Edge.
After doing a bit of research it seems that in the US they are using differnt frequencies.
Does anyone know of a fix which would allow my phone to get 3g in the states?
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T-Mobile are, I think, UMTS 900 / 2100 (perhaps like Vodafone in the UK and elsewhere, which is why we can all use T-Mobile-based rooted HTC ROMs in our phones).
AT&T is UMTS 850 and 1900.
At the moment no phone on earth can do both UMTS 850 *and* UMTS 900. These frequencies are used to provide longer range coverage in low-density service areas - in other words, most city-edge and countryside places.
UMTS 1900, 2100 and other higher numbered frequencies are used in higher-density areas to provide more calling / data capacity, but with the downside of more limited range.
It seems (googling) that AT&T do 850/1900 and T-Mobile do 1700 (as of May '08 sez Wikipedia), though the T-Mobile MyTouch3G does 1700 and 2100....so maybe T-Mobile now do 2100 as well (at least in some places). There doesn't appear to be much, if any overlap on 3G frequencies between carriers and users must be EDGE only on the telco that doesn't match their phone. Everyone does EDGE.
In New Zealand, where I am, one carrier does 850 and the other 900...but they both support 2100....and a 3rd carrier will soon be offering 2100 later this year.....so you do get *some* 3G on just one phone in built up areas where telcos need more capacity and use 2100....but you get nothing in the countryside and have to used EDGE/GPRS.
There are about 7 UMTS frequency bands all up (Wikipedia).....so any single device is going to be seriously challenged to support all those well.....and what telco would want their phones to do that anyway? Frequency incompatibilities prevent their customers from leaving.......which explains why there aren't any phones that do all 7.
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T-Mobile are, I think, UMTS 900 / 2100 (perhaps like Vodafone in the UK and elsewhere, which is why we can all use T-Mobile-based rooted HTC ROMs in our phones).
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If Vodafone (UK) & T-Mobile (US) are using the same UMTS frequencies, does this mean that I should be able to get 3g in the states? I am currently using a T-mobile (US) sim card but the phone is only getting an Edge connection. Maybe I need a ROM update??
maybe your in a area with no 3g coverage?
go to t mobiles website or better yet go here
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?pageType=idealer
and press the data coverage tab....are you in a purple place?
glendawg619 said:
maybe your in a area with no 3g coverage?
go to t mobiles website or better yet go here
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?pageType=idealer
and press the data coverage tab....are you in a purple place?
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I checked on the t-mobile site and Tampa, FL appears to be all purple.
Have you checked your settings?
Settings -> Wireless controls -> Mobile networks -> Make sure 2G only is "Un-ticked"
If it doesn't work, maybe you would like to consider selling your one on ebay and buying a Magic {or other handset} from the US
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
DeadShawn said:
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
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And what, might I ask, is an "ATT Nexus one"? Nexus one is sold and branded by GOOGLE. It has UMTS 900/1700/2100. This is NOT the same as ATT frequencies, which are, as you mention, 850/1900.
The difference is that ATT has an EDGE network and GN1 supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900. BELUS does NOT.
If you want to use GN1 in Canada, I recommend you switch providers to WIND. Their rates are WAY better, and they run on UMTS 1700/2100, which is compatible with GN1.
I get a really *really* good deal with Telus. Unlimited data, more txt and minuets then ill ever use, all the extras (caller id, voice mail) and all for under $45. I make good use of the unlimited data via tethering.
Switching from telus isn't an option.
Oh, and sorry for calling it an ATT Nexus One, I was simply implying it was available on the ATT network, my mistake.
The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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that's pretty much the information I was looking for, thank you.
I imagine several Canadians like myself will be considering the Dell Venue Pro for use on our new AWS 3G networks (Wind, Mobilicity, Public Mobile, etc.) or, in the alternative, for EDGE 850/1900 2G use on Rogers (or Fido, Chatr, etc.).
(This post is NOT a question about the frequency bands that the DVP supports - there are plenty of other threads for people who are confused about that.)
For the few who managed to get the DVP from Microsoft Stores off-contract (i.e. for $499) on launch, has anybody tried putting in a non-T-Mobile (i.e. AT&T) SIM? Some posts and sites are reporting that Dell will SIM lock the phones to T-Mobile whether you buy them with a contract or not. Has anybody tried calling Dell and asking for a SIM unlock code?
Someone with a DVP from a MS store has already confirmed they tried an at&t SIM and it worked, in one of the threads here.
Okay cool.
Obviously I realize that it will be difficult to confirm until mid-December, but hopefully the same thing will be true of off-contract Venue Pro phones ordered from Dell.com
A sidenote to those who are confused about the Venue Pro 2G and 3G bands (a tragic bit of confusion):
First, pdadb.net lists a SECOND model of the Venue Pro, set to be released in December or January, that does UMTS on the 850/1900/2100 bands. I can't find any independent sources for this.
Second, Rogers users will be pleased to recall that there have been reports, over the past year and a half, of limited 2100 mHz 3G service in parts of downtown Toronto and other Canadian cities.
Third, the FCC documents posted for the current AWS model of the Venue Pro include letters from Dell apparently promissing the FCC that although the phone's radio is capable of 3G on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands, they will prevent it from doing so in firmware. This has led me to speculate that the phone's hardware is indeed capable of 850/900/1700/1900/2100, like the iPhone 4G - but with certain bands shut off in firmware depending on the SKU. Very cool, and some hope if future radio firmwares are interchangeable.
I was going to test this for you using one of our DVPs here in the office, but apparently ATT will automatically charge the loan ATT user in the office for data once the smartphone authenticates with the network. He's already been burned once by this and wants to hold off testing again until he actually has a smartphone plan on his line.
benjaminries said:
Okay cool.
Obviously I realize that it will be difficult to confirm until mid-December, but hopefully the same thing will be true of off-contract Venue Pro phones ordered from Dell.com
A sidenote to those who are confused about the Venue Pro 2G and 3G bands (a tragic bit of confusion):
First, pdadb.net lists a SECOND model of the Venue Pro, set to be released in December or January, that does UMTS on the 850/1900/2100 bands. I can't find any independent sources for this.
Second, Rogers users will be pleased to recall that there have been reports, over the past year and a half, of limited 2100 mHz 3G service in parts of downtown Toronto and other Canadian cities.
Third, the FCC documents posted for the current AWS model of the Venue Pro include letters from Dell apparently promissing the FCC that although the phone's radio is capable of 3G on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands, they will prevent it from doing so in firmware. This has led me to speculate that the phone's hardware is indeed capable of 850/900/1700/1900/2100, like the iPhone 4G - but with certain bands shut off in firmware depending on the SKU. Very cool, and some hope if future radio firmwares are interchangeable.
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It works with ATT
My VP does work with ATT only when 3G is turned off but that's to be expected.
I have been using my Microsoft store Tmobile Dell Venue Pro on ATT since day 3 or so. Been over a week.
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I have been using my Microsoft store Tmobile Dell Venue Pro on ATT since day 3 or so. Been over a week.
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You will be able to use the phone fine on AT&T. But you will be limited to Edge only.
The Dell Venue Pro uses 900 / 1700 / 2100
AT&T's 3g network is: 850 / 1900
Well, thank you everyone for the info. That's quite a relief and I appreciate you testing your Venue Pros.
Sounds like the buyers of the off-contract Dell Streak aren't as lucky:
http://liliputing.com/2010/08/dell-...m-locked-to-att-with-or-without-contract.html
Again, I have no illusions about the 3G/2G thing. Though I live in Toronto, and odds are that I will get 3G on the 2100 MHz in some parts of the downtown. But 2G is fine until my Rogers contract runs out and I can switch to Wind or something.
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Well, thank you everyone for the info. That's quite a relief and I appreciate you testing your Venue Pros.
Sounds like the buyers of the off-contract Dell Streak aren't as lucky:
http://liliputing.com/2010/08/dell-...m-locked-to-att-with-or-without-contract.html
Again, I have no illusions about the 3G/2G thing. Though I live in Toronto, and odds are that I will get 3G on the 2100 MHz in some parts of the downtown. But 2G is fine until my Rogers contract runs out and I can switch to Wind or something.
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There are 3 ways to unlock a phone:
1. Contact the carrier (in this case T-Mobile), and complain that you need to travel and switch to a local sim...you'll get your code.
2. Use one of the cell phone unlocking sites.
3. Wait for XDA to release an unlocking tool.
benjaminries said:
Well, thank you everyone for the info. That's quite a relief and I appreciate you testing your Venue Pros.
Sounds like the buyers of the off-contract Dell Streak aren't as lucky:
http://liliputing.com/2010/08/dell-...m-locked-to-att-with-or-without-contract.html
Again, I have no illusions about the 3G/2G thing. Though I live in Toronto, and odds are that I will get 3G on the 2100 MHz in some parts of the downtown. But 2G is fine until my Rogers contract runs out and I can switch to Wind or something.
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How are you planning on getting a DVP in Canada? I live in Canada as well (Ottawa) and I want a DVP too.
Se4nH4x said:
How are you planning on getting a DVP in Canada? I live in Canada as well (Ottawa) and I want a DVP too.
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I'm going to California to visit some people in December. I'll probably order from Dell.com and have it shipped to them. In the alternative I could go to the Microsoft store in L.A. (assuming demand dies down a bit and they have stock by then).
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There are 3 ways to unlock a phone:
1. Contact the carrier (in this case T-Mobile), and complain that you need to travel and switch to a local sim...you'll get your code.
2. Use one of the cell phone unlocking sites.
3. Wait for XDA to release an unlocking tool.
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LOL
I hate to sway off topic, but which other WP7 devices are sim free? I swap sims a lot. Its my main deciding factor. Thanks.
I created this thread because there seems to be some confusion as to the differences between the T-Mobile, Euro, and (soon to arrive) AT&T branded versions of the Galaxy Tab. I'm sure at some point enough information will exist for a proper XDA wiki entry, but for now, we need a thread for each variant with specs, and where possible, hack/flash options, including phone and data connections.
So this will be the US AT&T thread, where we can get the facts straight for those who wish to use AT&T as their carrier with a Galaxy Tab.
THIS THREAD IS FOR US AT&T GSM ONLY, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CDMA (SPRINT, VERIZON, ETC) SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER THREAD!
Other carrier-specific threads:
US Tmobile Galaxy Tab flashed to make phone calls (currently phone works only, no 3G data)
(I would suggest to moderators that other non-AT&T and CDMA-related posts be removed or moved to a more appropriate thread.)
Alright, for starters, let me post the US AT&T frequency information, so that n00bs can be up to speed.
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA 3G
This should be helpful when we discuss the Galaxy Tab specs. I will be re-editing this post as new information comes in.
[future verified information can be placed here]
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Actually, the SGH-I987 version that AT&T is getting has already launched. In Canada. On two carriers.
The Bell version has two model numbers on the back, the GT-P1000M (firmware is different, and presumably less crippled than what AT&T will release, hello sideloading), and the FCC model number of SGH-I987 on the back cover, so the internals are identical to the AT&T unit.
And you missed a few bands, any Galaxy Tab with a SIM card will work on 2100 UMTS as well as 900 and 2100 GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
AT&T should be releasing their branded version of the Galaxy Tab on the 21st (just a few days from this posting). If I understand right (this is where the value of this thread will come into play), the specs for the T-Mobile version are different in terms of the 3G radio frequencies.
IF this is true, then it would mean that if you plan to use AT&T as your US carrier:
You must run an AT&T branded Galaxy Tab
You must run a Euro-spec Galaxy Tab*
*specific procedure for this to work is unverified at this time
Price
At this time, the price for an AT&T branded Galaxy Tab will be $650 from AT&T. It will have two pay as you go plans--$14.99 for 30 days and up to 250MB of storage or $25 for 30 days of up to 2GB. This is similar to how they currently handle the iPad plans.
HOWEVER, as many people here on XDA-devs know, it has always been possible to take a GSM SIM and move from phone to phone, and provided that the frequencies are compatible, the services should carry over and the device change remains largely in the control of the owner. Of course, they can detect the IMEI at the carrier, but in most cases they are not blocking IMEI's. If your device has the right radios and frequencies, it should work. In the past, this has been the case with most devices.
So the question is: Does the Euro-spec Galaxy Tab have the same frequencies as the AT&T branded Galaxy Tab? It should, considering that the specs for the Euro version seem to reflect the same frequencies that AT&T uses.
In theory, getting the software right on the Euro-spec Galaxy Tab should be a matter of flashing a working cooked ROM to enable phone and 3G connectivity.
As of the time of this post, one or two people have managed to get a Galaxy Tab phone service working with AT&T, although I am unsure about 3G.
Again, the purpose of this thread is to clear up these questions, and keep it focused on getting a fully-functional Galaxy Tab on the AT&T carrier. Meaning both phone and 3G working as normal with any other device.
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
Stupid question then. Doesn't Canadian Rogers use the same frequencies as AT&T?
They sell Galaxy Tab too right? Does their Galaxy Tab have voice call capability?
I am interested in buying Galaxy Tab that could do 3G on AT&T and can make voice calls so I could use it as my phone ;-)
Technomancer said:
Stupid question then. Doesn't Canadian Rogers use the same frequencies as AT&T?
They sell Galaxy Tab too right? Does their Galaxy Tab have voice call capability?
I am interested in buying Galaxy Tab that could do 3G on AT&T and can make voice calls so I could use it as my phone ;-)
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No voice calling on any of the North American Tabs. The Rogers and Bell units are the same units AT&T will be getting next week.
Can someone post att apn settings
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I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
Croak said:
Actually, the SGH-I987 version that AT&T is getting has already launched. In Canada. On two carriers.
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Not to be mistaken with SGH-I897, which is an Eclair (Android 2.1) -based device as far as I can tell:
http://opensource.samsung.com/ ("mobile" section)
shollywood said:
However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
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feisley said:
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
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Interesting news... I bought an unlocked device in Kuwait City and it matches that FCC id number, but it had some Arabic apps loaded onto it, does this mean the euro and middle east versions are the same?
Also, how much of AT&T's network is is 850?? I didnt think the 3G would work back in the states... btw, my home is in the DC area is that helps.. Thanks!
the FCC says the GT-P1000 models support 850 3G
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
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The FCC docs actually say that the GT-P1000L, N, T models do support 850GSM and 850WCDMA(3G):
Type the device's FCC ID info in, (A3L is the manufacturer code for Samsung). Look at the documents in the 824.20 (GSM "850") and 826.40 (WCDMA "850") lower frequency ranges.
The actual test report docs list GT-P1000L and GT-P1000N and a clarification doc from Samsung says the GT-P1000T model is just a renamed L one.
This is great, it's exactly why I wanted to start this thread. SO, one person at least has a Euro-spec (GT-P1000) machine wortking with voice and 3G data on a US AT&T network.
Someone needs to post specs on the GT-P1000. Because right now, it would seem that the P1000 is the best bet for those who want to use FULL functionality on a US AT&T network.
My personal motivation for this thread is to get solid information on what model Galaxy Tab will have full US AT&T functionality (voice and good 3G data connect), and HOW to achieve that (choosing the right Galaxy Tab and flashing the right ROM). Once this is nailed down, I'll buy one. I just need to know which to buy and what to do to it.
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This is great, it's exactly why I wanted to start this thread. SO, one person at least has a Euro-spec (GT-P1000) machine wortking with voice and 3G data on a US AT&T network.
Someone needs to post specs on the GT-P1000. Because right now, it would seem that the P1000 is the best bet for those who want to use FULL functionality on a US AT&T network.
My personal motivation for this thread is to get solid information on what model Galaxy Tab will have full US AT&T functionality (voice and good 3G data connect), and HOW to achieve that (choosing the right Galaxy Tab and flashing the right ROM). Once this is nailed down, I'll buy one. I just need to know which to buy and what to do to it.
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Not FULLY working on at&t's 3g network. The 850 band for 3g is still missing and 850 is their primary 3g band and it's slowly replacing the 1900 3g band. The reason they changed was because the 850 3g band can cut thru walls better and give you a better 3g signal. I remember when my area had only 1900. My 3g sucked. Very spotty unless I was outside. I instantly noticed when the 850 upgrade took place. Solid 3g even in the darkest areas of my basement @ work. There will be an unlocked 850/1900 3g band version on the tab but it looks like it was pushed off until early 2011. Probably because they knew they would never sell any of the current north american models with the 850/1900 3g bands (bell, rogers & at&t) For what it's worth, you can pre-order that version here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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Not FULLY working on at&t's 3g network. The 850 band for 3g is still missing and 850 is their primary 3g band and it's slowly replacing the 1900 3g band. The reason they changed was because the 850 3g band can cut thru walls better and give you a better 3g signal. I remember when my area had only 1900. My 3g sucked. Very spotty unless I was outside. I instantly noticed when the 850 upgrade took place. Solid 3g even in the darkest areas of my basement @ work. There will be an unlocked 850/1900 3g band version on the tab but it looks like it was pushed off until early 2011. Probably because they knew they would never sell any of the current north american models with the 850/1900 3g bands (bell, rogers & at&t) For what it's worth, you can pre-order that version here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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Who said at&t's primary 3G is 850Mhz?
That is just false information.
Their primary is actually 1900Mhz and they are beefing it up with new 850Mhz towers, not instead of current 1900Mhz existing in infrastructure.
Places who only recently got 3G service might be on 850Mhz but all those who got 3G up until 2 years ago are all 1900Mhz with the addition of 850Mhz.
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Who said at&t's primary 3G is 850Mhz?
That is just false information.
Their primary is actually 1900Mhz and they are beefing it up with new 850Mhz towers, not instead of current 1900Mhz existing in infrastructure.
Places who only recently got 3G service might be on 850Mhz but all those who got 3G up until 2 years ago are all 1900Mhz with the addition of 850Mhz.
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I need to find the artical that says they are slowly changing over the entire 3g network to the 850 band. Stay tuned.
UPDATED: Read on
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
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I need to find the artical that says they are slowly changing over the entire 3g network to the 850 band. Stay tuned.
UPDATED: Read on
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
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Yea this article and all the others stating the same are copying the same wrong source.
At&t never said they will be replacing 1900mhz with 850mhz...they said they will be ADDING towers and expending their network on 850mhz.
Here in the sf bay area the netwrok is mainly 1900mhz but they are ADDING new 850mhz towers so now we get mixed frequencies in places where signal was bad. They are certainly not removing 1900mhz towers.
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This thread encapsulates my concerns exactly. I want to use my tab as a phone, and am on ATT, so will wait to see how to best implement this agenda before purchasing anything. I have a couple of concerns:
1) I think that the Galaxy Tab forum should be split amongst various carriers, since future roms and such will likely be device specific.
2) Now that more information is coming out with regards to the Nexus s and Galaxy 2, I am wondering whether I should hold out. I do want a large screen, but the development community/google support for the next Nexus phone is hard to pass up... maybe I will buy both!
Regarding splitting up the forums, I don't think that's a good idea. We tried it for the Galaxy S models and it is something of a clusterfuck, and not as much knowledge is being shared IMHO.
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