I created this thread because there seems to be some confusion as to the differences between the T-Mobile, Euro, and (soon to arrive) AT&T branded versions of the Galaxy Tab. I'm sure at some point enough information will exist for a proper XDA wiki entry, but for now, we need a thread for each variant with specs, and where possible, hack/flash options, including phone and data connections.
So this will be the US AT&T thread, where we can get the facts straight for those who wish to use AT&T as their carrier with a Galaxy Tab.
THIS THREAD IS FOR US AT&T GSM ONLY, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CDMA (SPRINT, VERIZON, ETC) SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER THREAD!
Other carrier-specific threads:
US Tmobile Galaxy Tab flashed to make phone calls (currently phone works only, no 3G data)
(I would suggest to moderators that other non-AT&T and CDMA-related posts be removed or moved to a more appropriate thread.)
Alright, for starters, let me post the US AT&T frequency information, so that n00bs can be up to speed.
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA 3G
This should be helpful when we discuss the Galaxy Tab specs. I will be re-editing this post as new information comes in.
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Actually, the SGH-I987 version that AT&T is getting has already launched. In Canada. On two carriers.
The Bell version has two model numbers on the back, the GT-P1000M (firmware is different, and presumably less crippled than what AT&T will release, hello sideloading), and the FCC model number of SGH-I987 on the back cover, so the internals are identical to the AT&T unit.
And you missed a few bands, any Galaxy Tab with a SIM card will work on 2100 UMTS as well as 900 and 2100 GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
AT&T should be releasing their branded version of the Galaxy Tab on the 21st (just a few days from this posting). If I understand right (this is where the value of this thread will come into play), the specs for the T-Mobile version are different in terms of the 3G radio frequencies.
IF this is true, then it would mean that if you plan to use AT&T as your US carrier:
You must run an AT&T branded Galaxy Tab
You must run a Euro-spec Galaxy Tab*
*specific procedure for this to work is unverified at this time
Price
At this time, the price for an AT&T branded Galaxy Tab will be $650 from AT&T. It will have two pay as you go plans--$14.99 for 30 days and up to 250MB of storage or $25 for 30 days of up to 2GB. This is similar to how they currently handle the iPad plans.
HOWEVER, as many people here on XDA-devs know, it has always been possible to take a GSM SIM and move from phone to phone, and provided that the frequencies are compatible, the services should carry over and the device change remains largely in the control of the owner. Of course, they can detect the IMEI at the carrier, but in most cases they are not blocking IMEI's. If your device has the right radios and frequencies, it should work. In the past, this has been the case with most devices.
So the question is: Does the Euro-spec Galaxy Tab have the same frequencies as the AT&T branded Galaxy Tab? It should, considering that the specs for the Euro version seem to reflect the same frequencies that AT&T uses.
In theory, getting the software right on the Euro-spec Galaxy Tab should be a matter of flashing a working cooked ROM to enable phone and 3G connectivity.
As of the time of this post, one or two people have managed to get a Galaxy Tab phone service working with AT&T, although I am unsure about 3G.
Again, the purpose of this thread is to clear up these questions, and keep it focused on getting a fully-functional Galaxy Tab on the AT&T carrier. Meaning both phone and 3G working as normal with any other device.
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
Stupid question then. Doesn't Canadian Rogers use the same frequencies as AT&T?
They sell Galaxy Tab too right? Does their Galaxy Tab have voice call capability?
I am interested in buying Galaxy Tab that could do 3G on AT&T and can make voice calls so I could use it as my phone ;-)
Technomancer said:
Stupid question then. Doesn't Canadian Rogers use the same frequencies as AT&T?
They sell Galaxy Tab too right? Does their Galaxy Tab have voice call capability?
I am interested in buying Galaxy Tab that could do 3G on AT&T and can make voice calls so I could use it as my phone ;-)
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No voice calling on any of the North American Tabs. The Rogers and Bell units are the same units AT&T will be getting next week.
Can someone post att apn settings
feisley said:
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
Croak said:
Actually, the SGH-I987 version that AT&T is getting has already launched. In Canada. On two carriers.
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Not to be mistaken with SGH-I897, which is an Eclair (Android 2.1) -based device as far as I can tell:
http://opensource.samsung.com/ ("mobile" section)
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
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feisley said:
I can confirm that the European Tab works fine on at&t with full 3G and Voice dialing.
It is model GT-P1000
FCC ID: A3LGTP1000
I have been using it for the past few weeks and it seems to support all the required frequencies. It has operated in every mode including (G)PRS, (E)DGE, (3G) and (H)SPA
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Interesting news... I bought an unlocked device in Kuwait City and it matches that FCC id number, but it had some Arabic apps loaded onto it, does this mean the euro and middle east versions are the same?
Also, how much of AT&T's network is is 850?? I didnt think the 3G would work back in the states... btw, my home is in the DC area is that helps.. Thanks!
the FCC says the GT-P1000 models support 850 3G
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However, keep in mond, the EUR does NOT support the 850 3G band, only 1900.
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The FCC docs actually say that the GT-P1000L, N, T models do support 850GSM and 850WCDMA(3G):
Type the device's FCC ID info in, (A3L is the manufacturer code for Samsung). Look at the documents in the 824.20 (GSM "850") and 826.40 (WCDMA "850") lower frequency ranges.
The actual test report docs list GT-P1000L and GT-P1000N and a clarification doc from Samsung says the GT-P1000T model is just a renamed L one.
This is great, it's exactly why I wanted to start this thread. SO, one person at least has a Euro-spec (GT-P1000) machine wortking with voice and 3G data on a US AT&T network.
Someone needs to post specs on the GT-P1000. Because right now, it would seem that the P1000 is the best bet for those who want to use FULL functionality on a US AT&T network.
My personal motivation for this thread is to get solid information on what model Galaxy Tab will have full US AT&T functionality (voice and good 3G data connect), and HOW to achieve that (choosing the right Galaxy Tab and flashing the right ROM). Once this is nailed down, I'll buy one. I just need to know which to buy and what to do to it.
Suleeto said:
This is great, it's exactly why I wanted to start this thread. SO, one person at least has a Euro-spec (GT-P1000) machine wortking with voice and 3G data on a US AT&T network.
Someone needs to post specs on the GT-P1000. Because right now, it would seem that the P1000 is the best bet for those who want to use FULL functionality on a US AT&T network.
My personal motivation for this thread is to get solid information on what model Galaxy Tab will have full US AT&T functionality (voice and good 3G data connect), and HOW to achieve that (choosing the right Galaxy Tab and flashing the right ROM). Once this is nailed down, I'll buy one. I just need to know which to buy and what to do to it.
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Not FULLY working on at&t's 3g network. The 850 band for 3g is still missing and 850 is their primary 3g band and it's slowly replacing the 1900 3g band. The reason they changed was because the 850 3g band can cut thru walls better and give you a better 3g signal. I remember when my area had only 1900. My 3g sucked. Very spotty unless I was outside. I instantly noticed when the 850 upgrade took place. Solid 3g even in the darkest areas of my basement @ work. There will be an unlocked 850/1900 3g band version on the tab but it looks like it was pushed off until early 2011. Probably because they knew they would never sell any of the current north american models with the 850/1900 3g bands (bell, rogers & at&t) For what it's worth, you can pre-order that version here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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Not FULLY working on at&t's 3g network. The 850 band for 3g is still missing and 850 is their primary 3g band and it's slowly replacing the 1900 3g band. The reason they changed was because the 850 3g band can cut thru walls better and give you a better 3g signal. I remember when my area had only 1900. My 3g sucked. Very spotty unless I was outside. I instantly noticed when the 850 upgrade took place. Solid 3g even in the darkest areas of my basement @ work. There will be an unlocked 850/1900 3g band version on the tab but it looks like it was pushed off until early 2011. Probably because they knew they would never sell any of the current north american models with the 850/1900 3g bands (bell, rogers & at&t) For what it's worth, you can pre-order that version here:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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Who said at&t's primary 3G is 850Mhz?
That is just false information.
Their primary is actually 1900Mhz and they are beefing it up with new 850Mhz towers, not instead of current 1900Mhz existing in infrastructure.
Places who only recently got 3G service might be on 850Mhz but all those who got 3G up until 2 years ago are all 1900Mhz with the addition of 850Mhz.
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Who said at&t's primary 3G is 850Mhz?
That is just false information.
Their primary is actually 1900Mhz and they are beefing it up with new 850Mhz towers, not instead of current 1900Mhz existing in infrastructure.
Places who only recently got 3G service might be on 850Mhz but all those who got 3G up until 2 years ago are all 1900Mhz with the addition of 850Mhz.
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I need to find the artical that says they are slowly changing over the entire 3g network to the 850 band. Stay tuned.
UPDATED: Read on
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
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I need to find the artical that says they are slowly changing over the entire 3g network to the 850 band. Stay tuned.
UPDATED: Read on
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
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Yea this article and all the others stating the same are copying the same wrong source.
At&t never said they will be replacing 1900mhz with 850mhz...they said they will be ADDING towers and expending their network on 850mhz.
Here in the sf bay area the netwrok is mainly 1900mhz but they are ADDING new 850mhz towers so now we get mixed frequencies in places where signal was bad. They are certainly not removing 1900mhz towers.
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This thread encapsulates my concerns exactly. I want to use my tab as a phone, and am on ATT, so will wait to see how to best implement this agenda before purchasing anything. I have a couple of concerns:
1) I think that the Galaxy Tab forum should be split amongst various carriers, since future roms and such will likely be device specific.
2) Now that more information is coming out with regards to the Nexus s and Galaxy 2, I am wondering whether I should hold out. I do want a large screen, but the development community/google support for the next Nexus phone is hard to pass up... maybe I will buy both!
Regarding splitting up the forums, I don't think that's a good idea. We tried it for the Galaxy S models and it is something of a clusterfuck, and not as much knowledge is being shared IMHO.
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Anyone here have the galaxy s 9000 euro version working with tmobile 3 g in usa?
I'm also interested in that. I'm about to buy a galaxy here in EU but I'm moving to california soon. There should be no issues however since the galaxy is a quad band phone
I looked into importing a HTC Desire from Tmo UK for use here on Tmo's US network -
Tmo europe uses 2100 band for 3g, Tmo US uses the AWS IV band (1700/2100) for 3G - i did a little more research and found that 2100 was the download side and 1700 for upload - and as Tmo here in the US told me my Tmo MyTouch 3G would work fine in europe, i figured i'd be good to go - maybe only have 3G speeds on the download side
got hold of a 2nd level tech at Tmo and he 'xplained it down't work that way - if the Tmo US network doesn't see both freqs (1700 & 2100) it will switch me to 2G data speeds
so answer is, it'll work for phone calls, but data speeds will be limited to 2G
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I looked into importing a HTC Desire from Tmo UK for use here on Tmo's US network -
Tmo europe uses 2100 band for 3g, Tmo US uses the AWS IV band (1700/2100) for 3G - i did a little more research and found that 2100 was the download side and 1700 for upload - and as Tmo here in the US told me my Tmo MyTouch 3G would work fine in europe, i figured i'd be good to go - maybe only have 3G speeds on the download side
got hold of a 2nd level tech at Tmo and he 'xplained it down't work that way - if the Tmo US network doesn't see both freqs (1700 & 2100) it will switch me to 2G data speeds
so answer is, it'll work for phone calls, but data speeds will be limited to 2G
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I can confirm, I did a lot of digging myself and found the same thing. I'm from the UK but living in the US for a year or so. I was going to get a Galaxy S from ebay but realised they didn't have the 1700 freq so wouldn't get 3g with T-mobile over here ion the US.
My Iphone 3g from the UK only gets edge data transfer speeds here in the US as it too is missing the important 1700 freq...
My original post: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713900
thank you guys then it's good to know the vibrant is out next week
larryccf said:
I looked into importing a HTC Desire from Tmo UK for use here on Tmo's US network -
Tmo europe uses 2100 band for 3g, Tmo US uses the AWS IV band (1700/2100) for 3G - i did a little more research and found that 2100 was the download side and 1700 for upload - and as Tmo here in the US told me my Tmo MyTouch 3G would work fine in europe, i figured i'd be good to go - maybe only have 3G speeds on the download side
got hold of a 2nd level tech at Tmo and he 'xplained it down't work that way - if the Tmo US network doesn't see both freqs (1700 & 2100) it will switch me to 2G data speeds
so answer is, it'll work for phone calls, but data speeds will be limited to 2G
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Finally figured this out too after posting questions in different places. Found this article which had a very detail explaination.
www . phonescoop . com/articles/article.php?a=99&p=1492
One thing I'm wondering is if it is possible to flash the android radio version from a Vibrant on to an international Galaxy S to enable Tmobile AWS?
that question is best answered by someone far more knowledgeable than i am in software and android OS
i want 3g
I just recently bought the unlocked galaxy s to use for when I study abroad in Germany in the coming months. However, I am experiencing the very issue raised in this thread and have been searching high and low to find a solution to change the radio frequency to include both 1700 and 2100. Hopefully, flashing the firmware from the vibrant to the unlocked galaxy s will work, but I'm not experienced enough to even know where to start.
Will Samsung Galaxy S work on 3G fido/Rogers
Hello,
I live in Toronto, Canada and I have phone with Fido. The 3G frequency for fido/rogers are 850/1900. I have found the phone on ebay unlocked that supports HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100.
I heard many posts here about that. I just want to confirm If rogers/fido support 850/1900, however the phone only supports HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100.
Will I still get 3G network or not?
No 850 MHZ available yet. You'd get 2g, but not 3g. I'm sure the 850 Mhz version will be popping up soon.
Yes, but The phone support 1900 and rogers list 1900 as one of the two band frequencies for 3G, so it's should get 3G using 1900 frequency in some areas, right?
Re: Will Samsung Galaxy S work on 3G fido/Rogers
It should work on the 1900 band. You just need to make sure that you have strong 1900 band coverage for 3g in your area. Check gsmworld. Com for the maps.
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1900 is the secondary band. you'll only get it in certain areas.
and by certain, i mean very few.
even then, would you want a phone that can't connect when you're in one part of town to another
Okay so I was just reading this older article on IntoMobile: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010.html
Here is an excerpt:
The news that AT&T is aiming to complete their 3G network migration to the more capable 850Mhz GSM ban came straight from de la Vega, so it’s a fairly reliable goal-line to look towards. Unfortunately for folks with 2G-limited (EDGE) devices, AT&T’s decision to co-opt the higher-frequency band for 3G services will means that 2G services will now rely on the more finicky and shorter-range 1900Mhz band. In fact, you may have already started noticing a drop in 2G performance in your area. Still, the push to migrate 3G services to the 850Mhz band highlights AT&T’s ongoing effort to improve their 3G network.
So basically by getting a phone that works on the less reliable portion of at&ts network we are definitely asking for trouble. So as much as I hate hate hate waiting. I think that I will have to wait for an official us version.
doctajay said:
Okay so I was just reading this older article on IntoMobile: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010.html
Here is an excerpt:
The news that AT&T is aiming to complete their 3G network migration to the more capable 850Mhz GSM ban came straight from de la Vega, so it’s a fairly reliable goal-line to look towards. Unfortunately for folks with 2G-limited (EDGE) devices, AT&T’s decision to co-opt the higher-frequency band for 3G services will means that 2G services will now rely on the more finicky and shorter-range 1900Mhz band. In fact, you may have already started noticing a drop in 2G performance in your area. Still, the push to migrate 3G services to the 850Mhz band highlights AT&T’s ongoing effort to improve their 3G network.
So basically by getting a phone that works on the less reliable portion of at&ts network we are definitely asking for trouble. So as much as I hate hate hate waiting. I think that I will have to wait for an official us version.
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Good call.
I think that if we don't get an 850 mhz US one right away they'll probably get one in australia or somewhere else where 850 is used. Same deal with people who want the HD2 on AT&T.
850 Mhz version "Not likely" imo...
paulthepwner said:
Good call.
I think that if we don't get an 850 mhz US one right away they'll probably get one in australia or somewhere else where 850 is used. Same deal with people who want the HD2 on AT&T.
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I can comment from personal experience here.. I'm going to hedge a bet that there will not be an 850Mhz Galaxy S... If there were going to be, it would have been submitted to FCC by now, but I could be wrong.
I bought an OmniaHD last June, which is also 900/1900/2100 and it's never hooked up to 3G in Canada.
I can scan UMTS (using service menus) but cannot connect. I always get an unauthorized access message.
The real issue is that Canadian Carriers are making THE CORRECT business decision by using UMTS on 850Mhz.
850 gives you a larger coverage area, with the trade off of less subscribers per radio. this fits Canada's geographic demographic to the tee.. vast area, not many people.
It could be argued that 1900 should be enabled in metro areas, but Rogers is reserving the 1900 for additional voice capacity (is what I've come to learn).
I guess 1900 would be enabled if 850 became flooded.. so here's to iPad causing conjestion on the 850... iPad being pure data.. Hopefully this will be the case and 1900 will be enabled.
FYI there is an approved 'Tmobile' version of the Galaxy S. Tmobile uses 1700/2100.. and so does WIND
engadget.com/2010/04/11/samsung-galaxy-s-hits-the-fcc-with-atandt-bands-onboard/
at&t will be calling it the Captivate and its coming in late July.
kirbo20 said:
engadget.com/2010/04/11/samsung-galaxy-s-hits-the-fcc-with-atandt-bands-onboard/
at&t will be calling it the Captivate and its coming in late July.
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Thanks for the link...
From Engadget, you can click on the fcc image to get the the fcc application. This link: (rf exposure info)
fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1263518&native_or_pdf=pdf
page 4 indicates that the application is for WCDMA 1900Mhz.. GSM will operate both 850 and 1900, however 3G is 1900. (also 2.4Ghz application for BT and WIFI..
So you're out of luck if your carrier has enabled 3G on 850 only....
Hope Rogers enables 1900, because I WANT THIS PHONE!
ps. Page 12 is neat-it looks like they radiate Brain and Muscle tissue equivalents to see the effects of rf The details on test configurations and results are there as well.. I wonder if they'll come out with a corded version....
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The real issue is that Canadian Carriers are making THE CORRECT business decision by using UMTS on 850Mhz.
850 gives you a larger coverage area, with the trade off of less subscribers per radio. this fits Canada's geographic demographic to the tee.. vast area, not many people.
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Why is it that they're not using 900 instead of 850? How much of an "incorrect" business decision would that be?
Aqua1ung said:
Why is it that they're not using 900 instead of 850? How much of an "incorrect" business decision would that be?
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That... is a mystery unsolved ...
Prayers Answered
Samsung Captivate is the phone.. Now What about that Galaxy S Pro.. will we be seeing a flash for the camera???
I just received my Samsung Galaxy S and it's working on Rogers 3G. No problems all day.
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I just received my Samsung Galaxy S and it's working on Rogers 3G. No problems all day.
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Are you in a strong 1900 Mhz area? Where did you buy your Galaxy S from?
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Are you in a strong 1900 Mhz area? Where did you buy your Galaxy S from?
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I live in Richmond Hill. I have been all over including downtown, and it seems to be working so far. I bought it off a seller on eBay that is located in Markham.
Samsung Galaxy S 3g working in the (Greater Toronto Area) with Rogers on 1900 MHz
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I live in Richmond Hill. I have been all over including downtown, and it seems to be working so far. I bought it off a seller on eBay that is located in Markham.
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@bigbuffalo, thanks for the tip about the guy in Markham, I met up with him yesterday and bought the Samsung Galaxy S. Man What a device!!! I replaced my Motorola Milestone as I had enough of the Motorola BS. Don't get me wrong, I still think its one of the best 2.1 devices in Canada but if you read the Motorola forums you can see what my frustrations have been all about.
I can confirm that the Galaxy S does indeed have 3G coverage all over the GTA (South Eastern Ontario, Canada) including Milton on the 1900 MHz band but if you drive 5 minutes west of Milton it goes down to EDGE. Oh forgot to mention that the 3G is 3.5G as I see an H (HSDPA, HSUPA) more often then I see 3G. I hope this helps.
The device is a work of art, smooth,thin, light, sexy and packs a punch. I would recommend this device to anyone over the Nexus One, Milestone and the Sony X10. The Samsung blows them out of the water in every way.
Also if anyone is interested here is the company I bought the Samsung Galaxy S from:
NCI Sales Support Team
Neway Communication International
newayci.com
1-888-839-5639
Now if I can only find some accessories..
Thanks again guys..
Regards,
oscicluna
@oscicluna
Glad you were able to get one. It is one superb piece of software. Not sure if your device has the Singtel firmware on it (Asia), but mine did and I found it to lag quite a bit. When I did my research, apparently that firmware really slows down the device. I since updated to JF2 firmware, and rooted, and now it runs fantastic. I would highly recommend to get rid of the Singtel firmware. Enjoy your device.
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@oscicluna
Glad you were able to get one. It is one superb piece of software. Not sure if your device has the Singtel firmware on it (Asia), but mine did and I found it to lag quite a bit. When I did my research, apparently that firmware really slows down the device. I since updated to JF2 firmware, and rooted, and now it runs fantastic. I would highly recommend to get rid of the Singtel firmware. Enjoy your device.
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hmm...i'm pretty much sold on this phone. Just gonna wait until Tuesday to see what they officially unveil in terms of US carriers (AT&T in particular). The (possible) removal of the front facing camera on the Captivate really ticked me off..but apparently they added a 6 axis sensor for gaming etc. Hoping they root the Captivate soonish after launch in the event I opt to go that route and save some $$. Decisions...decisions.....
Any one use this phone in CANADA with Rogers / Fido...
i'm use with Rogers...some time show at 3G mode or HSPA mode...but seem this phone is not support Rogers 3G network...can someone explain it.......also when i use Fido i can in roaming mode...the date is not working until i check the roaming date box........
Hi there guys! Now that the phones are finally shipping, can anyone please test the real band compatibility? I want to buy an unlocked G2 and use it here in Italy, but only if I can get at least a fully working 3G connection.
Please fellas, I badly need this info..
Thanks
Neuromansa said:
Hi there guys! Now that the phones are finally shipping, can anyone please test the real band compatibility? I want to buy an unlocked G2 and use it here in Italy, but only if I can get at least a fully working 3G connection.
Please fellas, I badly need this info..
Thanks
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No such luck chief. The only 3G band on the G2 is AWS. It will only work on carriers like T-Mobile (USA), and Wind (Canada).
The stock Desire Z, however, has HSDPA 900 / 2100 and should work in most non-US countries on 3G, but check your carriers bands first. The downside, Desire Z has 1.5 GB storage, the G2 has 4 GB.
Neuromansa said:
Hi there guys! Now that the phones are finally shipping, can anyone please test the real band compatibility? I want to buy an unlocked G2 and use it here in Italy, but only if I can get at least a fully working 3G connection.
Please fellas, I badly need this info..
Thanks
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Unfortunately I think you are going to be disappointed. I posted a buzz about this a while back. You can look at page 3 of the test report in the FCC submission. The nutshell summary is that the device will only support Band IV for 3G, or in other words T-Mo US' UMTS 1700. This is unfortunate since I used my unlocked G1 quite a lot overseas, thanks to its UMTS 900/2100.
You'll probably have to go with a Desire Z if you want this device with European radios.
Can't believe it's for real...I mean, the 2-year-old G1 does that...and what about people working overseas?
That's a MAJOR fault from T-Mobile, and it's totally weird to say the least.
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and what about people working overseas?
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Perhaps tmo figures that frequent int'l travelers are a small enough percentage of their userbase that omitting the Band I poweramp was worth the cost savings?
Oh, it gets better. I only paid attention to the UMTS bands when I read the report, assuming that any modern smartphone would be a quad-band GSM device. Turns out the G2 is only GSM 850/1900, which means this device is truly unusable in Europe and Asia.
Wait a minute, what GSM bands are used in Asia?
The HTC site says otherwise : http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2#tech-specs
According to T-Mobile and HTC sites specs, the phone is GSM quad band (850, 900, 1800, 1900).
The HTC site says "UMTS: Yes"
Superfrag said:
Wait a minute, what GSM bands are used in Asia?
The HTC site says otherwise : http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2#tech-specs
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Europe and Asia are GSM 900/1800, generally. What is interesting is that the HTC page claims the G2 is quadband, but the FCC testing documents don't show any 900/1800 data at all. The phone cannot legally operate in the U.S. in that band unless testing data has been submitted to the FCC. I'm wondering if HTC marketing just c&p from the Desire Z specs and forgot to edit the GSM infos. We'll see soon enough I suppose.
it doesn't make sense why they would release a phone that wasnt quad band. it must be a mistake. it is like power seats on a luxury car. it's just there lol.
So a unlocked G2 could be used on WINDs network here in Canada (because they use the same frequency), can some one confirm this please
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So a unlocked G2 could be used on WINDs network here in Canada (because they use the same frequency), can some one confirm this please
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Wind uses AWS (UMTS Band IV)... So, yes. But if they do not have HSPA+ enhancements you won't get the famed and promised super speed. The phone should be able to be used on USA (T-Mobile, Cincinnati Bell Wireless), Canada (WIND Mobile, Mobilicity, Videotron)
Based on the G1 test reports...
... the bands listed in the FCC test reports are not at all definitive.
I pulled the FCC exhibits for the G1 and they listed:
GSM 850
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band IV
(plus 802.11 etc)
In other words, no Band I.
However, I've been successfully using my G1 on 3G in both Europe and Asia for over a year now, so it actually has Band I.
I suspect the FCC tests only cover the frequencies that the device is going to be used on *in the US*. Frequencies the device may or may not be capable of using outside the US just aren't relevant.
That being said, the more significant detail is that the T-mobile site lists the G2 as only having Band IV, even though it lists the Vibrant as having Bands I and IV. Looking at other phones, it seems that T-mobile isn't terribly consistent in how they list their frequencies, but that's a (relatively) slim thread to hang onto.
crr127 said:
it doesn't make sense why they would release a phone that wasnt quad band. it must be a mistake. it is like power seats on a luxury car. it's just there lol.
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It is quad-band -- for GSM -- as all (most?) modern non-CDMA phones (and some of those) are. But the OP question is about 3G.
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I suspect the FCC tests only cover the frequencies that the device is going to be used on *in the US*. Frequencies the device may or may not be capable of using outside the US just aren't relevant.
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Good sleuthing. I didn't consider this possibility.
That being said, the more significant detail is that the T-mobile site lists the G2 as only having Band IV, even though it lists the Vibrant as having Bands I and IV. Looking at other phones, it seems that T-mobile isn't terribly consistent in how they list their frequencies, but that's a (relatively) slim thread to hang onto.
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I wouldn't put it past T-mo to have just messed up the detail.
I suppose the easiest way to determine would be for someone with an unlocked G2 (or even a locked unit) to take it to Europe or Asia and see if the system status shows UMTS signal or not.
Unlocked G2 Australian user
Hey Guys,
I actually received my G2 a few days ago. Yesterday i purchased an unlock code and entered this in to the phone which it advised was accepted.
The device then rebooted, however once the system loaded i noticed my signal bar had an "x" through it.
Browsed to Network Operators and tried selecting to search for networks and also to select automatically. Both of these selections returned an error "error searching for network" or every second try it would say "unable to connect to network".
I tried a factory reset of my phone but still the same issue.
I tried dialing *#*#4636#*#* which opens a testing screen. I noticed on this screen i can see i have a signal of -85 dBm which is similar to on my galaxy s.
Tried playing with the settings on this screen, i had the option to select network band to which i alternated between all options including auto and AUS, AUS2.
I can confirm this is a Vodafone simcard and it works perfectly in other phones.
I tried a Telstra, 3 and a friends Vodafone simacard all of which produced the same error.
I noticed there are several Australian sites selling unlocked Tmobile G2's.
At this point i would like to try flashing the stock rom on again however i am not sure on the button combo to access the recovery screen.
Last thing to note is yes i have spoke with Vodafone, HTC AU and HTC US, none of the techs were able to help me. =(
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I tried dialing *#*#4636#*#* which opens a testing screen. I noticed on this screen i can see i have a signal of -85 dBm which is similar to on my galaxy s.
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What was the network type when you saw the -85 dBm signal?
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What was the network type when you saw the -85 dBm signal?
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Just checked right now and it says,
Signal stregth -91dBm 11 asu
Under Network Type it says unkown CID is also unkown.
Would a G2 work on Softbank (Japanese Carrier) They use the 2100 band IV I believe. I know my T-Mobile Nexus One worked fine on there 3G.
I could care less if the HSPA+ worked just 3G would be fine.
Okawa said:
Would a G2 work on Softbank (Japanese Carrier) They use the 2100 band IV I believe. I know my T-Mobile Nexus One worked fine on there 3G.
I could care less if the HSPA+ worked just 3G would be fine.
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Band IV is commonly referred to as AWS 1700. From the gsmworld entry, it looks like Softbank is running on Band I ("UMTS 2100"). The G1 and Nexus One both had UMTS 900 & UMTS 2100 (the global bands) in addition to T-Mo specific AWS 1700. We're trying to determine if the G2 also has 900&2100 radios, but right now it's not looking very good.
Anyone getting the T-Mobile version tomorrow? With CDMA not SIM capable, and AT&T version still up in the air, I think I'm probably going to get one tomorrow!
I've got question regarding T-Mobile's werid 3G band tho. I think Samsung listed T-Mobile's version as AWS 1700/2100. I know 1700 is weird, but is that AWS 2100 same as the 2100 band that the rest of the world use? Sorry it's my first 3G T-mobile device, and looking on wiki or google is just kinda vague
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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I had a TMo US G1, and it worked fine on 3G when I returned to the UK. The converse was not true of my TMo UK G2 (HTC Hero), which would only get Edge in the US because it did not support both bands of AWS (1700/2100).
So, I see no reason why a TMo US shouldn't work pretty much everywhere else in the world where 2100 3G is ubiquitous.
Regards,
Dave
Cool thanks, i guess that AWS threw me off. I thought there were a regular 2100, and then T-Mobile's AWS 2100
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2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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Actually you're a bit off. Tmo's 3G runs on AWS 1700/2100 band which is not the same 2100 *frequency* as the rest of the world. Tmo uses 1700 for downloads and 2100 for uploads, so both bands (aws/band IV) are needed.
Now Europe (and rest of GSM world) use straight 2100 band for 3G but the exact frequency is not the same as Tmo's.
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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You're right for 2G, not for 3G
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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No, because it doesn't support the 850 or 1900 MHz bands.
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject.
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One could say the same to you.
This is a link to T-Mobile US's support forum, in which someone has had it confirmed from T-Mobile themselves that all devices designed for their network have to be fully compatible with the 2100MHz band, meaning they will give you 3G capabilities in Europe.
Your previous post in which you claim that the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile use is not the same as the 2100MHz band the rest of the world uses is nothing short of ridiculous.
If the band T-Mobile used was different to the one used in the rest of the world, it would not be described as 2100MHz.
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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Sorry, but as I already said earlier in this thread, my T-Mobile US G1, which is an AWS device, worked perfectly well in the UK with full 3G. Similarly, I know of people who bought TMo Nexus Ones in the US, and these all worked fine in the UK.
That's not to say there isn't some subtle difference which not all chipsets can cater for, but it is certainly true that many TMo US handsets will give 3G capabilities in Europe.
Regards,
Dave
The normal UMTS 2100 is called "Band I" and t-mobile's AWS is called "Band IV":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The AWS 3G module has already 2100MHz support, so there is no additional hardware necessary to support Band I as well. Theoretically it could be disabled, of course, but then T-mobile wouldn't be able to charge you an arm and a leg if you were to roam outside of the US
Hi, Does any know if its all vice versa?
NOTE3 AT&T and T-Mobile NOTE3 using it with a T-Mobile SIM, (vice versa) T-mobile & A&T NOTE3 using AT&T SIM?
(Both NOTE3 is unlocked & using in urban BIG city)
Will there be any difference speed LTE and speed 3G & 4G you receive?
Will the LTE signal not be as strong each other?
Will be any problem each other (vice versa)?
Do you think we can enable AWS on NOTE3 AT&T? (same like Note2 and S4 AT&T)
Which hardware Note3 AT&T or T-Mobile is better having multi-LTE or more compability network each other (freq band spectrum)?
I don't really know much about LTE signals between AT&T and T-Mobile, compatibility, etc. So, I was wondering if you can help me to decide which one are those? How long to get unlock code from the 1st day i purchased with full price NOTE3 AT&T and T-Mobile?
Please...please... help for answer & information. I'm very appreciate and thank you so much for explanation everything. :good::victory:
P.S. Sorry & apologize about my bad english
If S4 history repeats itself the ATT buyers will be stung with crappy locked bootloaders. Meanwhile the TMO device is pentaband and unlocked bootloader. Depending on battery life benchmarks the only sane decision is between TMO Note 3 and the international N3.
I posted a poll about carrier selection last week
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443383
Regarding your question, I opted for the T-Mobile version. Location will determine network performance...
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I posted a poll about carrier selection last week
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443383
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Sorry for re-posting again, peace out
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If S4 history repeats itself the ATT buyers will be stung with crappy locked bootloaders. Meanwhile the TMO device is pentaband and unlocked bootloader. Depending on battery life benchmarks the only sane decision is between TMO Note 3 and the international N3.
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But am i right?, Note3 International may not be able to use in T-Mobile LTE, right? thanks
Not to hijack the thread but does anyone know which one would be compatible for Wind/Mobilcity (Aws Canadian Market)?
Note 3 from At&Tor T-Mobile... in the past I believe T-Mobile phones are compatible because of 1700 and 2100 frequencies... however due to T-Mobile refarming (I have limited knowledge about it) and new frequencies.... would an At&t note 3 be modified to work on aws
????
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But am i right?, Note3 International may not be able to use in T-Mobile LTE, right? thanks
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To my knowledge, the international Note 3 does not have LTE radios. It has an octacore instead of quad but thats the trade off.
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To my knowledge, the international Note 3 does not have LTE radios. It has an octacore instead of quad but thats the trade off.
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There are two models: one is the octa-core with no LTE. The other is Snapdragon 800 with LTE. However, both will only get HSPA+ on AT&T (anywhere) and HSPA+ on T-Mobile (in refarmed areas). The international LTE model won't get US LTE because we don't use the same LTE bands as they do in Europe.
In the US, if you're on a GSM network the best model to get is the T-Mobile model, even if you're on AT&T. It works 100% with AT&T and T-Mobile (refarmed areas or not) and has an unlocked bootloader.
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There are two models: one is the octa-core with no LTE. The other is Snapdragon 800 with LTE. However, both will only get HSPA+ on AT&T (anywhere) and HSPA+ on T-Mobile (in refarmed areas). The international LTE model won't get US LTE because we don't use the same LTE bands as they do in Europe.
In the US, if you're on a GSM network the best model to get is the T-Mobile model, even if you're on AT&T. It works 100% with AT&T and T-Mobile (refarmed areas or not) and has an unlocked bootloader.
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I apologize to bring up an old thread, but I figured I'd ask it here as opposed to starting yet another thread.
Do you know if the Tmobile Note 3 is pentaband (i.e., like the Nexus 4/5)? I'm planning to use it outside of the US and just need to know if it can get 3G in European countries.
A poster above mentioned that the Tmobile Note 3 version is pentaband, but googling for the answer to this has yielded no solid results.
Thanks!
Here is the T-mo website:
http://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones_data_devices/android/samsung-galaxy-note-3
here is the frequencies:
Network
3G/4G/LTE Capable
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
3G/UMTS: Band I (UMTS 2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100/AWS), Band V (850)
LTE: Band 4, Band 17, Band 1(2100), Band 2(1900), 5(850), 7(2600)
PoisonWolf said:
I apologize to bring up an old thread, but I figured I'd ask it here as opposed to starting yet another thread.
Do you know if the Tmobile Note 3 is pentaband (i.e., like the Nexus 4/5)? I'm planning to use it outside of the US and just need to know if it can get 3G in European countries.
A poster above mentioned that the Tmobile Note 3 version is pentaband, but googling for the answer to this has yielded no solid results.
Thanks!
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Yes. 850/900/1800/1900 on EDGE, and 850/[900 isn't mentioned but I assume it's there]/1700/1900/2100 for HSPA+. It should work fine.
EDIT: Confirmed 900 MHz is there. Look at the last post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2536817
Europe uses 900 and 2100 MHz for HSPA+ mainly. Both are supported. The AT&T version would also work fine, but the T-Mobile version is the best one to get because of the unlocked bootloader and additional AWS support (1700 MHz), which T-Mobile uses in the US. To me it's worth paying a little more for the T-Mobile version.
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Yes. 850/900/1800/1900 on EDGE, and 850/[900 isn't mentioned but I assume it's there]/1700/1900/2100 for HSPA+. It should work fine.
EDIT: Confirmed 900 MHz is there. Look at the last post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2536817
Europe uses 900 and 2100 MHz for HSPA+ mainly. Both are supported. The AT&T version would also work fine, but the T-Mobile version is the best one to get because of the unlocked bootloader and additional AWS support (1700 MHz), which T-Mobile uses in the US. To me it's worth paying a little more for the T-Mobile version.
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Thanks Fred, I knew I could count on you. Cheers mate. Calling T-Mobile is never useful for these types of things. Hopefully my question here can be picked up by google searches so other people can see your link.
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Thanks Fred, I knew I could count on you. Cheers mate. Calling T-Mobile is never useful for these types of things. Hopefully my question here can be picked up by google searches so other people can see your link.
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Exactly what happened for me. It was the top xda result for me.
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