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I haven't used my phone too long, but today, I noticed when I switched to landscape mode, I can faintly make out the image of the taskbar on the left. Anyone else have a problem with screen burn in?
One day is really early for screen burn in, but amoled is notorious for it and I've heard super amoled is even worse.
No way you can honestly avoid burn in unless you don't use the phone....
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Had mine since release. I use it about 12 hours a day no screen burn for me.
NeonMonster said:
One day is really early for screen burn in, but amoled is notorious for it and I've heard super amoled is even worse.
No way you can honestly avoid burn in unless you don't use the phone....
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I'd really enjoy seeing the source of your information as well as the studies on the frequencies it happens. Had my Moment for almost a year, used it constantly and never once experienced this nor heard of anyone else on any message board (sdx, android forums, ams) experiencing this. I know it's anecdotal but that's why I'm asking for your source.
Isn't is still and LCD? LCDs burn?
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a454nova said:
Isn't is still and LCD? LCDs burn?
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The Epic is not LCD, it is Super AMOLED.
There can be burn ins in AMOLED displays but it should not happen until at least 2 years or more. The only burn ins i have seen where taskbar burn ins.The taskbar does not change color a lot so it can get burn ins. You can use ADW Launcher(may be launcher pro not sure) to hide taskbar to avoid burn ins. This really shouldn't be a issue since we replace are phones every 2 years. If you are having burn ins issue I would replace the phone asap.
AMOLED doesn't have burn-in.
Technically, the pixels wear out with use, and become dimmer. It should take a long time before this is noticable.
This is different from burn-in because you don't see the image when the screen is off.
You shouldn't notice it that much, if you have pixel wearing already, you may have a defective device.
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AMOLED doesn't have burn-in.
Technically, the pixels wear out with use, and become dimmer. It should take a long time before this is noticable.
This is different from burn-in because you don't see the image when the screen is off.
You shouldn't notice it that much, if you have pixel wearing already, you may have a defective device.
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I think you are wrong. I have seen pics of taskbar burn ins on nexus one with AMOLED screen.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=57325a5900f1a491&hl=en
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...us-One-has-Screen-Burn-In-of-Notification-Bar
shep211 said:
I think you are wrong. I have seen pics of taskbar burn ins on nexus one with AMOLED screen.
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jnadke is correct in the sense that LEDs don't "burn in", though the result of LED droop (dimming) *looks* like burn-in in the sense that a ghost image appears while the display is on - it will be dimmer in the shape of a frequently-displayed image. It's simply a technical point, not negating the fact that LEDs dim over time, and certain subpixels, due to constant use, will experience a characteristic that could easily be described, visually, as burn-in.
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jnadke is correct in the sense that LEDs don't "burn in", though the result of LED droop (dimming) *looks* like burn-in in the sense that a ghost image appears while the display is on - it will be dimmer in the shape of a frequently-displayed image. It's simply a technical point, not negating the fact that LEDs dim over time, and certain subpixels, due to constant use, will experience a characteristic that could easily be described, visually, as burn-in.
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They may not burn in the same way but they do get burn ins. Cant find any thread or webpage saying they dont have burn ins. Did find tons that say it can.
Screen burn-in: Unlike displays with a common light source, the brightness of each OLED pixel fades depending on the content displayed. The varied lifespan of the organic dyes can cause a discrepancy between red, green, and blue intensity. This leads to image persistence, also known as burn-in.[67]
http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-tech-issues-bug-reports/4995-screen-burn.html
That is really an argument over semantics. The fact is AMOLED screens will develop issues if you have a static image on them over a long period of time. As stated before it is most likely to be on the task bar. Also stated before, using AWD Launcher will allow you to hide the task bar, and delay the issue.
If you call it "Burn-in", "Burn-out" or anything else, it does exist. I wouldn't call it a major problem, but its pretty well documented. Go to the NexusOne forums on XDA and search for "Burn in" you will find plenty of people experiencing it.
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They may not burn in the same way but they do get burn ins. Cant find any thread or webpage saying they dont have burn ins. Did find tons that say it can..[67]
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Pops_G said:
That is really an argument over semantics.
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Exactly - nobody's disputing the fact that it happens, just simply a different reason.
Have you ever seen anything about a Samsung (creator of the AMOLED) phone having this problem?
The phone that everyone is saying has "the thing know as burn-in" is the Nexus One, phone made by HTC. Some say it's because they don't use the right...(don't remember the word) lighting mechanism for the screen which causes it.
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Have you ever seen anything about a Samsung (creator of the AMOLED) phone having this problem?
The phone that everyone is saying has "the thing know as burn-in" is the Nexus One, phone made by HTC. Some say it's because they don't use the right...(don't remember the word) lighting mechanism for the screen which causes it.
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The Nexus One and Droid Incredible both use Samsung AMOLED panels for the display...or at least they did.
Supply shortages caused HTC to use LCD's for newly manufactured phones.
All screen types can have some form of the loose term "Burn in" some are just better than others...at least its not a plasma screen
So the best way to avoid goofy looking taskbar burn in: Use ADW and use the "Hide Taskbar" option. Argument over kthxbai
Source: Dad's a TV repair guy.
i'm an android noob and didn't know about adw launcher until yesterday. i tried it but i like having a taskbar on top. plus, it's already too late for me as the "burn in" already happened? i think i should wait and play around with the phone for 20 something more days to see if this issue gets better/worse before returning/exchanging it.
I had a n1, yes amoled can get a screen burn in. My n1 had one, barely though and didn't bother me cause you really had to look. Didn't even notice till a thread like this.
isn't this called screen image persistence and not burn-in? "Burn-in" is permanent... Image persistence can be removed by showing an inverted-color version of the persisted image on-screen. It can also be avoided by not leaving the screen on on a single image for extreme extended periods of time.
I have an amoled incredible that I picked up a few weeks ago, and I love the screen, but it's so hard to see in daylight. I understand that "super" lcd screens have a layer of glass removed, which would mean that the screen is closer to the top, which should make it easier to see in sun light. Is this true?
Anyone have pics of both screens? I got my incredible for an excellent price, so if the SLCD is better I can easily sell the incredible on ebay and purchase an SLCD one.
Hmmm...I haven't heard that the S-LCD screens had a layer of glass removed. I knew the Super AMOLED ones did, but I hadn't heard about that for the LCD version. I guess someone with more knowledge will have to respond. That'd be interesting though.
I thought that's what the "super" in amoled or lcd meant...layer of glass removed.
which one is better?
I have seen both and it really isn't that big of a difference. It only makes it about 10% better, still very hard to see in sunlight.
I have the AMOLED version (bought December 2010) and I have no issues what so ever seeing my screen no matter what lighting. Could be me or how I set my screen brightness, but I'm not using any screen protectors or anything. Just my $.02
kdb424 said:
I have the AMOLED version (bought December 2010) and I have no issues what so ever seeing my screen no matter what lighting. Could be me or how I set my screen brightness, but I'm not using any screen protectors or anything. Just my $.02
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Yeah I've read plenty of small text perfectly fine and never noticed any blurriness. I have an AMOLED, and same goes for images and video's, as long as they're actually high quality then they're crystal clear- so can't complain.
The differences must be really subtle. My bootscreen is completely black, and in the dark it really is black and not an off-grayish black that I see on most other screens on phones that I've had.
The differences are so small, they are really close in comparison.
I have a lot of trouble with glare when out in the sunlight with my AMOLED, I usually just keep brightness at 40% and block the light with my hand. Otherwise, i dont really check my phone when in the sun because it's too much of a hassle
I had an AMOLED Nexus One and now have an SLCD Incredible. I often had trouble seeing the Nexus in the sun but can't recall that happening with the Incredible. I'd say there's a definite difference.
the difference is huge. no offense, but your opinion isn't worth much if you haven't had both screens.
i had the amoled screen from may 2010 to february 2011 and then got an slcd replacement device and instantly saw the difference. when i first look at the phone i saw a 'crispness' that wasn't there before. it took me about 15 minutes to realize it was because the phone was slcd not amoled. To be honest, I'm really glad i was sent an SLCD because i love it now. The screen is SOO clear. I typically use my phone for internet and social networks rather than for watching movies so an SLCD benefits me in those ways.
depending on how u use your phone will most likely decide if you like an amoled vs an slcd
Its all a matter of opinion, I've seen the slcd versions and hate that they are so dull and listless
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Its all a matter of opinion, I've seen the slcd versions and hate that they are so dull and listless
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yeah its definitely opinion lol (i dont mean to say anyone's wrong hah, just saying that everyone sees things differently), because i look at my screen and go 'wow thats clear!' i dont really see a hugee difference with the colors besides the blacks
Colors can be a matter of preference, but I don't think there's any debating sunlight brightness. Some may not be bothered much by AMOLED's washout in direct sunlight (perhaps you live in the Pacific NW or you never go outside), but that doesn't change the fact that SLCD is actually brighter in those conditions.
Another variable I don't see mentioned enough in these AMOLED vs SLCD discussions is that of compatibility. For the average person on the street, it's a non-issue, but for those of us who love to tweak our phones, the AMOLED is an easier version of the Inc to own. Most mods are compatible between both, but there have been recovery versions, kernels, and other things that have only worked on AMOLED Incs.
Is it a deal-breaker? Probably not. Someone usually comes along with an SLCD fix for these mods later... but I'm just throwing it out there as something to consider. If you flash a lot of stuff, AMOLED just makes life easier.
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Another variable I don't see mentioned enough in these AMOLED vs SLCD discussions is that of compatibility. For the average person on the street, it's a non-issue, but for those of us who love to tweak our phones, the AMOLED is an easier version of the Inc to own. Most mods are compatible between both, but there have been recovery versions, kernels, and other things that have only worked on AMOLED Incs.
Is it a deal-breaker? Probably not. Someone usually comes along with an SLCD fix for these mods later... but I'm just throwing it out there as something to consider. If you flash a lot of stuff, AMOLED just makes life easier.
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This was mentioned in the last thread like this. I and several others said we have never run into something that wouldn't work on SLCD. I've flashed nearly every ROM and most kernels here. The only time I had to do something different was flash a SLCD-compatible recovery, which took about 2 minutes to figure out and I haven't touched it since.
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The only time I had to do something different was flash a SLCD-compatible recovery, which took about 2 minutes to figure out and I haven't touched it since.
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Sure - it only took you 2 minutes to figure out because someone had already figured it out. The early adopters were pretty distressed when they only got a black screen though.
Like I said - not a deal-breaker, and if you're patient then someone will come up with a SLCD-compatible version of the item in question. But it comes and goes. There were certain versions of 2.x recovery that didn't work on SLCD... then the community figured it out and everything was copacetic. Then there were certain versions of 3.x that had problems on SLCD... so it's not as if these issues just go away forever once someone figures them out.
I'm just saying the only thing that required a special flash was the recovery. All roms and kernels have been fine.
No kernel issues related to SLCD?
Like I said, these problems are usually found and sorted out fairly quickly. The fact remains that there are intermittent compatibility issues that require devs to tweak their work to support SLCD.
Ok so if you're bleeding edge then sure, AMOLED will reduce issues. I just don't think anyone should feel an SLCD is going to hold them back from the development scene. As an Android junkie going back to the G1 days, my SLCD Incredible hasn't held me back one bit.
I love my AMOLED. I play lots of old school emulated games on my phone when I'm on the go and they look absolutely gorgeous with the wide spectrum of colors. Plus, AMOLED screens are akin to tube televisions with an interlacing effect, which while it does make text harder to read it also helps mask the low res imperfections of these older games.
Samsung seems to have fixed the issue though. We'll be seeing the best of both worlds soon.
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SAMOLED+ Pixel Response Time and Touch Screen Discussion & My Review of These Parts.
Hey all, I wanted to start a thread to have a discussion about these two things that are my only disappointments in this phone.
Let me start by saying I think this phone is awesome, and yes I feel there are a few other faults on the phone (lockscreen delay when running off the battery due to the CPU taking a second to kick in, weak GPS/wifi signal sometimes, heavy banding on gradients etc) But those are software issues and I know in the near future Samsung/Devs will sort this out.
But I had some big complaints that aren't (still I hope not) software issues. Firstly;
- Response Time.
By this I mean when you buy a new monitor and the response time is listed as 4ms or whatever. This is the time the pixel takes to make a full change. A slow response time will cause ghosting. And that's exactly a issue that the Samsung Galaxy SII faces. Ghosting.
I've gone through 4 replacement SII's for various reasons, and on all of them they ghosted. So it's not just my phone. Samsung bizarrely states the response time is 0.001ms which would be there would be no ghosting at all. However there is, quite a bit actually, by my testing the screen is actually around 6-8ms.
I want to see if anyone else notices it. I know there's been a couple of threads on this but I want to see if the majority of people notice this. Here's how to test, go onto white page with black text on, and then scroll down the page at a moderate pace, not to fast not too slow, try it at different speeds as well just in case you don't get it right.
The easiest way I find to do this is use the inbuilt stock news app, load up any story and it'll give you a long white page with black text you can scroll through. As you may notice if you got a decent set of eyes on you, the text will leave a trail. Also known as ghosting. To me, I find this absolutely unacceptable on such high end device.
- Colour
Also, as it's been widely reported and has been noticeable on all my GSII's, the colour temperature is very 'cool', nowhere near the perfect 6500k. As a result, white's look very blue. This is fine and you hardly notice it on it's own, however when I'm using the device at my PC, which I use on a 32" IPS panel TV I professionally calibrated, the whites on the GSII look more blue than the ocean! Technically this is a software problem and can easily be sorted when custom roms come along but jeez, this is some bad stock colour calibration.
Also when you tilt the display, the viewing angles are generally very good, however tilting the display by pretty much any angle adds an extra blue tint to the screen on an already blueish screen.
I'm an absolutely screen quality perfectionist so these points really get to me. Especially considering this is such a high end device.
Overall I'd give the display a 6.5/10.
After the colour temperature has been sorted, I'll give it a 7.5/10.
If the ghosting can get minimized somehow even slightly through software on top of that, I'd give it an 8.5/10.
Secondly;
- Touch Screen
Now we all know about the movement deadzone/threshold on the touch screen which is massively annoying, but hopefully that'll get fixed in the near future. But What I'm going to complain about is the low sensitivity of the touch screen is the best way I can describe it.
On my HTC Desire, I can tap the screen ridiculously lightly and quick, and the device will register the input, absolutely no questions asked. Absolutely brilliant.
However on the GSII the sensitivity seems to be a lot lower, I can tap the screen lightly and quickly and the screen won't register the touch at all. This is pretty damn annoying as sometimes I just tap the screen lightly normally and I have to retap things. Not very often but still. I wish the device was as sensitive as the HTC Desire.
In it's current state I'd give the touch screen an 8/10.
If the movement deadzone and sensitivity got fixed, it'd be a 10/10.
Now I'm sure I had more to write about but I've forgotten now. I'll edit it into the post if I can think of the other things.
Now as I said, I think the GSII is a smashing phone, sure there are a lot of niggles at the minute, but I know they'll get sorted soon. Just the points I've outlined in this thread are things I'm scared won't get sorted. But you never know, I'm really hoping they can get sorted/do get sorted.
As I said I've had 4 Galaxy S2's all had the above issues, and I've used 2 other S2's from friends who also have these issues, so it's widespread, I'm just curious if people actually notice it.
I've added a poll to the thread regarding these issues. Please don't lie to yourself about this stuff, if you notice it, please answer honestly
I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Haha I could moan for england ;P
Nah it's just I'm very picky when it comes to screens. And I definitely expect the best on such a high end device, unfortunately the SGSII falls abit short on this.
It's still a great device. Really wish I didn't notice this sort of stuff haha.
stillbrad said:
Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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Best screen on a phone possibly. It's not the best screen ever though, it's good don't get me wrong, but not the best.
And I assure you, your device has everything that I outlined in my original post, it's just down to the user if they notice it or not. When I used my friends Galaxy SII's (who both got it from different places to me and each other) I asked them about this stuff and they had no idea what I was on about, so I thought my phone was faulty and I had a look at their GSII's and theirs have the same problems aswell, they just don't notice them. (They did after I pointed it out though muwhahah)
I must not have a sgs2. Maybe its because mine is from first batch but I have none of your listed issues. After 4 devices, it cant be samsungs fault.
Heh, guys every SGSII have these issues, I'm not arguing that, was merely checking to see how many people notice these issues (not many in the grand scheme of things apparently) there's quite a lot of reports of these problems so it's just down to the user
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I guess I have horrible standards. No shadowning on my phone.
The ghosting and blue-ish colortemperature I noticed right from the start. But to be honest: I really dont care. At least the ghosting is nothing which stands out of the crowd... all of them have it ... HTC, LG, Apple. The only reason you don't notice it as much, is the lower contrast on the other displays.
As for the sensitivity: It's a little lower than with my htc hd2, BUT I'm actually glad it is. The sensitivity on the HTC phones is ridiculously high. You don't even have to touch the screen and you end up clicking something, which can be quite annoying sometimes. On the SGS2 I never had any missclicks, nor did I have any non-responsivenesses. Perfect setup for my taste.
I think all of the average joe out there probably doesn't care about all this minor issues. You must have the intention to find the fault of the phone in order to get what you want to find but do you think most of us would be doing this? Haha.. Tbh I don't really care as long as the phone does what I want without falling apart. lol..
Yeah I was a bit surprised by the ghosting, having seen the response time claims, but neither that nor the colour temp (on 'movie') have really bothered me so far.
What has irked me a bit is the image sharpness. On a site like m.engadget.com the coloured text on white background has a dark outline all around it, which to me looks horrible. Anyone else noticed that?
I think the ghosting issue is due to the low fresh rate of the touch screen.It's lower than 60HZ.
When you scroll the screen,the animation is not smooth enough,so you see the ghosting.
It's more of a visual persistence issue.
I remember when some choppy animation showed in CRT,I can see ghosting.
Never the less,when your finger leave the touch screen,let it scrolling itself,you can see the "ghosting" would be less noticible.
But you can still see it,that's because of 60HZ refresh rate of the Display.
I just wondering if there is any way to change the fresh rate of the touch screen.
What are you doing that's causing ghosting issues? There is a definite color temp issue but that's how every amoled screen has been so far. I would take a little bit of blue tint over the black color performance
The thing that causes the ghosting, as I said in my original post, it fast movement. The screens pixels can't change fast enough so things leave a trail.
As I said the best way so see this is to loadup a long page with a white background and black text and then scroll down at a moderate pace, fast but not so fast you eyes your eyes canty follow the line of text. If toy do it right and you've got a decent set of eyes you'll see that the text leaves a trail.
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hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device the grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
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You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device they grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
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Yep, there's a lot disappointments with the screen on this phone. However as the poll is so far proving, majority of people don't care for quality as much as us. Only a few others care/notice about the things we're complaining about.
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no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Thanks .. Thats the funniest **** i have read all day...
Theres nothing wrong with my sgs2 and ive owned Hero's Desire's Nexus One's and even an LG2X.. This phone is superb.. This dude does sound a bit anal..
Hey. I can definately notice ghosting on this screen if i purposely try to but as others have said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. When watching films or playing games it's non-existant.
As for the whites, you yourself stated you can't really notice until you hold the device against your professionally calibrated screen. How are the blacks in comparison? Out of interest, how much was that screen/calibration.
I think the main problem with alot of peoples gripes is focusing on only the weaker aspects of the phone rather than the device as a whole. People want perfection which unfortunately doesn't exist in the world of electrical consumer tech.
now i see this horrible grey everywhere i cannot even look at my phone any more!
I hope that this issue would be enough to change my device!
Hey drm111, as you know I have those problems too.
Did you have them on all your 4phones?
1) As you know I have this topic in wich one screen had this blue ish coat on the screen, noticable from the angles you talk abouth. But the other one does not have it.
So maybe not everyone has that blue coating? Did you investigated that further?
2) As you also know there is this yellowish/darker 1/3 of the left screen, probably some don't notice it. You have to be in a dark room or in a light one really looking for it. You read abouth this huh?
But I you didn't post it here. Aren't you having this problem? And did you have it on al of your 4 phones?
3) Ghosting, yes i notice it to. No sharp text when scrolling,is that the ghosting too?
I have this first generation ipod touch, text stays sharp when scrolling. Should be the case here too.
4) Than you have the grey tints, wich turn pink. You can see it in the topic of nongrata23. But some phone don't have it it seems. Software or hardware?
We need to figure out what is 'normal' and what isn't. As I don't want to send my phone back if it is normal at this point for all the gs2 that are on the market.
Let me start by saying i used to work for a PC magazine and was among those who blew the whistle on the nVidia texture replacement fiasco surrounding the Geforce 5800. I can see a single texture out of place in a high FPS game, so my eye is VERY keen.
The colour of the SGS2 is slightly blue yes, but mine is no worse than the average LCD, including the Retina display.
Response time is seemingly slower than the previous AMOLED screens ive seen, but again is more than a match for the LCDs out there.
I would say samsung have made a trade off between the sub pixel density and other factors. It works for me just fine.
The 16bit thing is interesting. It looks to me like the screen isnt 16bit, but it is using 16bit at times. Thats a driver issue.
I'm contemplating returning the G3 but need to ask everyone who owns the model if your units suffer the same issue or if this is just an LCD issue in general. I'm comparing on white backgrounds this noise/textured pattern reminiscent to a digitizer somewhat that literally for me defeats the purpose of having a QHD screen since it's the only thing I notice. When looking at my S4 AMOLED there is no such issue, and I just checked out the HTC One M8 with its Super LCD 3 in store and it doesn't seem to have the issue. The Xperia Z2 does also have this effect as well. Can anyone comment on this, and tell me how does it not distract you if it is there since for me it is a deal breaker!
I see it too- I just assumed it was my screen protector though...
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I just realized this. I don't think a replacement will help. Seems like a panel problem. Until LG acknowledges this and ships out a fresh batch, I think I'll hold off on a replacement.
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I've seen this on every G3 so far that I've looked at. It's not the digitizer because you'd see that when the screen was off.
My AT&T variant doesn't have any visible digitizer pattern
i dont see it on mine either
Its very hard to see. It can be seen on a white or light grey background. It almost looks like pixelation. Hard to explain.
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My AT&T variant doesn't have any visible digitizer pattern
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It's not a digitizer pattern, definitely has to do with the lcd. Just reminded me of a weak digitizer annoyance. You have to look for it though but once you notice it you'll never unsee it
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It's not a digitizer pattern, definitely has to do with the lcd. Just reminded me of a weak digitizer annoyance. You have to look for it though but once you notice it you'll never unsee it
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Seems like a vague statement. With the incredibly powerful cameras and even microscopes that can be done to really see these screens in detail, where is a picture of this 'visible screen texture'?
I can put the display all the way up against my face and can not see any texture you speak of. Please help to explain or at least show what you're talking about
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The Xperia Z2 does also have this effect as well. Can anyone comment on this, and tell me how does it not distract you if it is there since for me it is a deal breaker!
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OK do you have your G3 rooted? Probably you've got G3 with JDI panel, why don't you try to find it out and vote in that thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/g3-display-manufacturer-t2824310 ? Sony has also such patterns because they also use their own JDI panels.
I think that someone here is "looking for hair in the egg"!
I have this problem as well. I actually thought it was a real problem and went to get a replacement about 4 times. After the fourth one, I gave up after noticing that a lot of the G3s have it. I looked at a lot of display models (best buy and att stores) and looked at a lot of G2s as well. At first I was really annoyed by it, but now I've gotten used to it
I can see it on mine in certain conditions, but most of the time it's not visible. Same with any other device I've had, really.
I think I see what you're talking about, I just don't know how to explain it. I can only see it on a bright white area, and I'm guessing it's a result with the panel and how high the resolution is. I don't mind seeing it though... I don't see it as a defect since others are reporting it. MUCH less of an issue (if one at all) compared to a yellow screen area or something. Comparing this display to 1080s which never did this isn't fair. The technology is too new and doesn't have anything to compare to.
Not everyone can be expected to see it or notice it, especially since near sightedness is going to vary amongst people. Uncorrected, I can see extreme detail on objects within a 1-2 feet, but I can't see any details past 20 (signs are unreadable, etc). When I am using corrected vision though, my near vision gets slightly worse and the effect is less pronounced.
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Yep, I noticed this as well. However, it is mostly only visible when the screens shows only a single color. E.g., it's really visible if you use an app like Dead Pixel Test. Under normal conditions, I've only seen it a few times, which is fine with me. The real problem still is the oversharpening.
I have seen maybe about 30 different G3s now, all of them have it but with varying levels of visibility.
It's one of those issuses there is probobly no point worrying about. All G3's probobly have it, nothing we can do about it (at the minute). If it bothers certain people that much, get a different phone
leomd333 said:
It's one of those issuses there is probobly no point worrying about. All G3's probobly have it, nothing we can do about it (at the minute). If it bothers certain people that much, get a different phone
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Done and done! Switched to the M8 and the super LCD screen is fantastic, Crystal clear. Love the G3 and I'll miss it but once I noticed that issue it was basically game over for me.
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I agree with others that it's only apparent in unique moments, typically where black text is on a light background. After a bit of thought, I've decided that certain apps are not able to display the high resolution that the G3 can produce...so dithering artifacting occurs.
Its not an issue. I have seen it on every single lg g3 and its only visible on high brightness with a white background. And it seems like some models show it more than others, but most are acceptable.
So I was on my 2nd Nexus 6P and like the first it had an uneven screen. Normal/slightly pink at the top and at the bottom it's more yellow. Instead of returning it I've decided to try and fix the yellow tint by intentionally causing a burn-in on the over-enthusiastic green pixels in the bottom half of my screen.
To do this I flashed a kernel which unlocks the high-brightness mode of the display, the awesome EX kernel, set my screen timeout to 15 minutes and left the display turned on for 3x15 minutes in high brightness mode with a black-to-green gradient open full screen in the Photos app (absolutely nothing else on screen). After each of the 15 minutes I checked the progress, after the 3rd time I considered it done. I'm happy to report that this has nearly eliminated my uneven screen problem.
So far I've seen no ill effects, just a nice even screen.
I used this black-to-green gradient that was a close match to where my screen was yellow. My first 6P had a different pattern of yellowness, so that would have required a different gradient, more like black-green-black.
Interesting, the normal slightly pink at the top transitioning to yellow at the bottom describes the screen on my original nexus 6P and it's replacement.
I'll look into giving this a try as well.
I´m not sure if something like this could be considered as a defect. If you look at a very high angle, you might see some sort of "rainbow effect" on the screen. You should be careful about "burning in" Pixels in a Amoled screen. High brightness will wear out the LEDs faster than you think. At least this is how I remember my old Samsung Galaxy S3 but maybe Amoled technology has improved a lot.
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I´m not sure if something like this could be considered as a defect. If you look at a very high angle, you might see some sort of "rainbow effect" on the screen. You should be careful about "burning in" Pixels in a Amoled screen. High brightness will wear out the LEDs faster than you think. At least this is how I remember my old Samsung Galaxy S3 but maybe Amoled technology has improved a lot.
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I can't really comment on if the OP's method is safe or not, but it is worth noting that the gradient/tint change is noticeable even when viewed straight on under normal use, such as browsing etc.
It could sort of be likened to the old TN based flat screens from a number of years ago where the top and bottom looked slightly different colours, however a lot of this was down to narrow viewing angles. I'm wondering if the same applies to the specific AMOLED display used by the 6P as well.
The AMOLED screens on my Moto X 2nd Gen and Moto X Force don't have the same problem.
I have a slight purple tint too on the screen but it is only visible on a white background. It does not bother me, if you set a higher brightness it is barely visible. Maybe all Nexus 6P have this sort of display and you simply have to live with it.
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I can't really comment on if the OP's method is safe or not, but it is worth noting that the gradient/tint change is noticeable even when viewed straight on under normal use, such as browsing etc.
It could sort of be likened to the old TN based flat screens from a number of years ago where the top and bottom looked slightly different colours, however a lot of this was down to narrow viewing angles. I'm wondering if the same applies to the specific AMOLED display used by the 6P as well.
The AMOLED screens on my Moto X 2nd Gen and Moto X Force don't have the same problem.
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Would you happen to have a before image for your screen? I would like to try this on my phone but can't say for sure what exact color the uneven section is. Most of the screen seems to have a pink tint that fades into a green/yellow tint in the bottom left corner. I don't want to stress the wrong color accidentally.
Can you post before and after pics of your screen please?
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I have a slight purple tint too on the screen but it is only visible on a white background. It does not bother me, if you set a higher brightness it is barely visible. Maybe all Nexus 6P have this sort of display and you simply have to live with it.
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Its a well known characteristic of samsung AMOLED screens. Samsung users have been complaining about this for some time. Its actually worse on the sgs6. But more brightness will make it less noticeable. Honestly, if you forget about it and stop focusing on it, you will stop noticing it.
Yeah I understand some are really bad you should send it back.but if its slight. There's no.point obsessing about it. It takes the joy away from using the phone
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Yeah I understand some are really bad you should send it back.but if its slight. There's no.point obsessing about it. It takes the joy away from using the phone
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It's impossible not obsessing about it since the display is very thing you look at when using a phone, people wouldnt tolerate if it was an LCD, dead pixels or any other defect at the advertised price, but since it's amoled we should be expected that these errors occur.
The issue on slight displays is that the screen is uneven on white, so its impossible to ignore on web browsing and how dark ui and gapps is not provided by Google, I would prefer it to be slightly pink/blue all over not half so you won't notice it.
Not meaning to rant and whine but consumers shouldn't have to accept this or fix the issue themselves, when I show the phone of friends, they notice the inconsistent white background and are shocked when I say its something you have to live with, the features are not going to outweigh the display issue
The joy of the phone is still there, just wish they implement quality control.
I complained about this on my Nexus 6. Ended up buying and returning a total of about 8 phones from various stores until i found the "perfect" one. Its incredibly irritating when you can notice it and its the first thing you see when the pixels light up. Some people may care more than others but im not willing to compromise anymore. AMOLED displays look great, but LCDs seem to have a better yield or QA. I was of course down voted and flamed about this. Good to see people starting to take action against garbage quality AMOLEDs.
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So I was on my 2nd Nexus 6P and like the first it had an uneven screen. Normal/slightly pink at the top and at the bottom it's more yellow. Instead of returning it I've decided to try and fix the yellow tint by intentionally causing a burn-in on the over-enthusiastic green pixels in the bottom half of my screen.
To do this I flashed a kernel which unlocks the high-brightness mode of the display, the awesome EX kernel, set my screen timeout to 15 minutes and left the display turned on for 3x15 minutes in high brightness mode with a black-to-green gradient open full screen in the Photos app (absolutely nothing else on screen). After each of the 15 minutes I checked the progress, after the 3rd time I considered it done. I'm happy to report that this has nearly eliminated my uneven screen problem.
So far I've seen no ill effects, just a nice even screen.
I used this black-to-green gradient that was a close match to where my screen was yellow. My first 6P had a different pattern of yellowness, so that would have required a different gradient, more like black-green-black.
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This post is old but I wanted to try this nonetheless. You can't just burn in or wear out the pixels in such sort of time no matter what. 45 mis is not enough to cause such an effect. I tried it as I have a screen with the same exactly issue but there is no change. And I did it for far more than you. I let it all the night long for 3 days. There was no change. I don't think you can fix this issue this way (or any other way)
You guys keep saying "AMOLED issue". I bought 6p after having OnePlus X - it has AMOLED without any issue, it was perfect screen! Nexus 6p is great phone, but screen really bothers me... I hate, but I need to replace the phone. And I am not sure whether I will get a good phone or not. Support told me that if I would ask for replacement - they could send me a refurbished phone. Only buying new will give a new phone. I can still return it as I have it for few days...
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You guys keep saying "AMOLED issue". I bought 6p after having OnePlus X - it has AMOLED without any issue, it was perfect screen! Nexus 6p is great phone, but screen really bothers me... I hate, but I need to replace the phone. And I am not sure whether I will get a good phone or not. Support told me that if I would ask for replacement - they could send me a refurbished phone. Only buying new will give a new phone. I can still return it as I have it for few days...
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Hey,
Seriously, a refurbished device just after a few days? Like you had it for 10 months, lol? Is it Huawei?
Escalate the case to a supervisor and don't give up until you get a "proper" new phone!
Good luck...