I'm contemplating returning the G3 but need to ask everyone who owns the model if your units suffer the same issue or if this is just an LCD issue in general. I'm comparing on white backgrounds this noise/textured pattern reminiscent to a digitizer somewhat that literally for me defeats the purpose of having a QHD screen since it's the only thing I notice. When looking at my S4 AMOLED there is no such issue, and I just checked out the HTC One M8 with its Super LCD 3 in store and it doesn't seem to have the issue. The Xperia Z2 does also have this effect as well. Can anyone comment on this, and tell me how does it not distract you if it is there since for me it is a deal breaker!
I see it too- I just assumed it was my screen protector though...
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I just realized this. I don't think a replacement will help. Seems like a panel problem. Until LG acknowledges this and ships out a fresh batch, I think I'll hold off on a replacement.
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I've seen this on every G3 so far that I've looked at. It's not the digitizer because you'd see that when the screen was off.
My AT&T variant doesn't have any visible digitizer pattern
i dont see it on mine either
Its very hard to see. It can be seen on a white or light grey background. It almost looks like pixelation. Hard to explain.
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My AT&T variant doesn't have any visible digitizer pattern
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It's not a digitizer pattern, definitely has to do with the lcd. Just reminded me of a weak digitizer annoyance. You have to look for it though but once you notice it you'll never unsee it
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It's not a digitizer pattern, definitely has to do with the lcd. Just reminded me of a weak digitizer annoyance. You have to look for it though but once you notice it you'll never unsee it
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Seems like a vague statement. With the incredibly powerful cameras and even microscopes that can be done to really see these screens in detail, where is a picture of this 'visible screen texture'?
I can put the display all the way up against my face and can not see any texture you speak of. Please help to explain or at least show what you're talking about
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The Xperia Z2 does also have this effect as well. Can anyone comment on this, and tell me how does it not distract you if it is there since for me it is a deal breaker!
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OK do you have your G3 rooted? Probably you've got G3 with JDI panel, why don't you try to find it out and vote in that thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/g3-display-manufacturer-t2824310 ? Sony has also such patterns because they also use their own JDI panels.
I think that someone here is "looking for hair in the egg"!
I have this problem as well. I actually thought it was a real problem and went to get a replacement about 4 times. After the fourth one, I gave up after noticing that a lot of the G3s have it. I looked at a lot of display models (best buy and att stores) and looked at a lot of G2s as well. At first I was really annoyed by it, but now I've gotten used to it
I can see it on mine in certain conditions, but most of the time it's not visible. Same with any other device I've had, really.
I think I see what you're talking about, I just don't know how to explain it. I can only see it on a bright white area, and I'm guessing it's a result with the panel and how high the resolution is. I don't mind seeing it though... I don't see it as a defect since others are reporting it. MUCH less of an issue (if one at all) compared to a yellow screen area or something. Comparing this display to 1080s which never did this isn't fair. The technology is too new and doesn't have anything to compare to.
Not everyone can be expected to see it or notice it, especially since near sightedness is going to vary amongst people. Uncorrected, I can see extreme detail on objects within a 1-2 feet, but I can't see any details past 20 (signs are unreadable, etc). When I am using corrected vision though, my near vision gets slightly worse and the effect is less pronounced.
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Yep, I noticed this as well. However, it is mostly only visible when the screens shows only a single color. E.g., it's really visible if you use an app like Dead Pixel Test. Under normal conditions, I've only seen it a few times, which is fine with me. The real problem still is the oversharpening.
I have seen maybe about 30 different G3s now, all of them have it but with varying levels of visibility.
It's one of those issuses there is probobly no point worrying about. All G3's probobly have it, nothing we can do about it (at the minute). If it bothers certain people that much, get a different phone
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It's one of those issuses there is probobly no point worrying about. All G3's probobly have it, nothing we can do about it (at the minute). If it bothers certain people that much, get a different phone
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Done and done! Switched to the M8 and the super LCD screen is fantastic, Crystal clear. Love the G3 and I'll miss it but once I noticed that issue it was basically game over for me.
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I agree with others that it's only apparent in unique moments, typically where black text is on a light background. After a bit of thought, I've decided that certain apps are not able to display the high resolution that the G3 can produce...so dithering artifacting occurs.
Its not an issue. I have seen it on every single lg g3 and its only visible on high brightness with a white background. And it seems like some models show it more than others, but most are acceptable.
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SAMOLED+ Pixel Response Time and Touch Screen Discussion & My Review of These Parts.
Hey all, I wanted to start a thread to have a discussion about these two things that are my only disappointments in this phone.
Let me start by saying I think this phone is awesome, and yes I feel there are a few other faults on the phone (lockscreen delay when running off the battery due to the CPU taking a second to kick in, weak GPS/wifi signal sometimes, heavy banding on gradients etc) But those are software issues and I know in the near future Samsung/Devs will sort this out.
But I had some big complaints that aren't (still I hope not) software issues. Firstly;
- Response Time.
By this I mean when you buy a new monitor and the response time is listed as 4ms or whatever. This is the time the pixel takes to make a full change. A slow response time will cause ghosting. And that's exactly a issue that the Samsung Galaxy SII faces. Ghosting.
I've gone through 4 replacement SII's for various reasons, and on all of them they ghosted. So it's not just my phone. Samsung bizarrely states the response time is 0.001ms which would be there would be no ghosting at all. However there is, quite a bit actually, by my testing the screen is actually around 6-8ms.
I want to see if anyone else notices it. I know there's been a couple of threads on this but I want to see if the majority of people notice this. Here's how to test, go onto white page with black text on, and then scroll down the page at a moderate pace, not to fast not too slow, try it at different speeds as well just in case you don't get it right.
The easiest way I find to do this is use the inbuilt stock news app, load up any story and it'll give you a long white page with black text you can scroll through. As you may notice if you got a decent set of eyes on you, the text will leave a trail. Also known as ghosting. To me, I find this absolutely unacceptable on such high end device.
- Colour
Also, as it's been widely reported and has been noticeable on all my GSII's, the colour temperature is very 'cool', nowhere near the perfect 6500k. As a result, white's look very blue. This is fine and you hardly notice it on it's own, however when I'm using the device at my PC, which I use on a 32" IPS panel TV I professionally calibrated, the whites on the GSII look more blue than the ocean! Technically this is a software problem and can easily be sorted when custom roms come along but jeez, this is some bad stock colour calibration.
Also when you tilt the display, the viewing angles are generally very good, however tilting the display by pretty much any angle adds an extra blue tint to the screen on an already blueish screen.
I'm an absolutely screen quality perfectionist so these points really get to me. Especially considering this is such a high end device.
Overall I'd give the display a 6.5/10.
After the colour temperature has been sorted, I'll give it a 7.5/10.
If the ghosting can get minimized somehow even slightly through software on top of that, I'd give it an 8.5/10.
Secondly;
- Touch Screen
Now we all know about the movement deadzone/threshold on the touch screen which is massively annoying, but hopefully that'll get fixed in the near future. But What I'm going to complain about is the low sensitivity of the touch screen is the best way I can describe it.
On my HTC Desire, I can tap the screen ridiculously lightly and quick, and the device will register the input, absolutely no questions asked. Absolutely brilliant.
However on the GSII the sensitivity seems to be a lot lower, I can tap the screen lightly and quickly and the screen won't register the touch at all. This is pretty damn annoying as sometimes I just tap the screen lightly normally and I have to retap things. Not very often but still. I wish the device was as sensitive as the HTC Desire.
In it's current state I'd give the touch screen an 8/10.
If the movement deadzone and sensitivity got fixed, it'd be a 10/10.
Now I'm sure I had more to write about but I've forgotten now. I'll edit it into the post if I can think of the other things.
Now as I said, I think the GSII is a smashing phone, sure there are a lot of niggles at the minute, but I know they'll get sorted soon. Just the points I've outlined in this thread are things I'm scared won't get sorted. But you never know, I'm really hoping they can get sorted/do get sorted.
As I said I've had 4 Galaxy S2's all had the above issues, and I've used 2 other S2's from friends who also have these issues, so it's widespread, I'm just curious if people actually notice it.
I've added a poll to the thread regarding these issues. Please don't lie to yourself about this stuff, if you notice it, please answer honestly
I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Haha I could moan for england ;P
Nah it's just I'm very picky when it comes to screens. And I definitely expect the best on such a high end device, unfortunately the SGSII falls abit short on this.
It's still a great device. Really wish I didn't notice this sort of stuff haha.
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Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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Best screen on a phone possibly. It's not the best screen ever though, it's good don't get me wrong, but not the best.
And I assure you, your device has everything that I outlined in my original post, it's just down to the user if they notice it or not. When I used my friends Galaxy SII's (who both got it from different places to me and each other) I asked them about this stuff and they had no idea what I was on about, so I thought my phone was faulty and I had a look at their GSII's and theirs have the same problems aswell, they just don't notice them. (They did after I pointed it out though muwhahah)
I must not have a sgs2. Maybe its because mine is from first batch but I have none of your listed issues. After 4 devices, it cant be samsungs fault.
Heh, guys every SGSII have these issues, I'm not arguing that, was merely checking to see how many people notice these issues (not many in the grand scheme of things apparently) there's quite a lot of reports of these problems so it's just down to the user
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I guess I have horrible standards. No shadowning on my phone.
The ghosting and blue-ish colortemperature I noticed right from the start. But to be honest: I really dont care. At least the ghosting is nothing which stands out of the crowd... all of them have it ... HTC, LG, Apple. The only reason you don't notice it as much, is the lower contrast on the other displays.
As for the sensitivity: It's a little lower than with my htc hd2, BUT I'm actually glad it is. The sensitivity on the HTC phones is ridiculously high. You don't even have to touch the screen and you end up clicking something, which can be quite annoying sometimes. On the SGS2 I never had any missclicks, nor did I have any non-responsivenesses. Perfect setup for my taste.
I think all of the average joe out there probably doesn't care about all this minor issues. You must have the intention to find the fault of the phone in order to get what you want to find but do you think most of us would be doing this? Haha.. Tbh I don't really care as long as the phone does what I want without falling apart. lol..
Yeah I was a bit surprised by the ghosting, having seen the response time claims, but neither that nor the colour temp (on 'movie') have really bothered me so far.
What has irked me a bit is the image sharpness. On a site like m.engadget.com the coloured text on white background has a dark outline all around it, which to me looks horrible. Anyone else noticed that?
I think the ghosting issue is due to the low fresh rate of the touch screen.It's lower than 60HZ.
When you scroll the screen,the animation is not smooth enough,so you see the ghosting.
It's more of a visual persistence issue.
I remember when some choppy animation showed in CRT,I can see ghosting.
Never the less,when your finger leave the touch screen,let it scrolling itself,you can see the "ghosting" would be less noticible.
But you can still see it,that's because of 60HZ refresh rate of the Display.
I just wondering if there is any way to change the fresh rate of the touch screen.
What are you doing that's causing ghosting issues? There is a definite color temp issue but that's how every amoled screen has been so far. I would take a little bit of blue tint over the black color performance
The thing that causes the ghosting, as I said in my original post, it fast movement. The screens pixels can't change fast enough so things leave a trail.
As I said the best way so see this is to loadup a long page with a white background and black text and then scroll down at a moderate pace, fast but not so fast you eyes your eyes canty follow the line of text. If toy do it right and you've got a decent set of eyes you'll see that the text leaves a trail.
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hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device the grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
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hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device they grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
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Yep, there's a lot disappointments with the screen on this phone. However as the poll is so far proving, majority of people don't care for quality as much as us. Only a few others care/notice about the things we're complaining about.
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Thanks .. Thats the funniest **** i have read all day...
Theres nothing wrong with my sgs2 and ive owned Hero's Desire's Nexus One's and even an LG2X.. This phone is superb.. This dude does sound a bit anal..
Hey. I can definately notice ghosting on this screen if i purposely try to but as others have said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. When watching films or playing games it's non-existant.
As for the whites, you yourself stated you can't really notice until you hold the device against your professionally calibrated screen. How are the blacks in comparison? Out of interest, how much was that screen/calibration.
I think the main problem with alot of peoples gripes is focusing on only the weaker aspects of the phone rather than the device as a whole. People want perfection which unfortunately doesn't exist in the world of electrical consumer tech.
now i see this horrible grey everywhere i cannot even look at my phone any more!
I hope that this issue would be enough to change my device!
Hey drm111, as you know I have those problems too.
Did you have them on all your 4phones?
1) As you know I have this topic in wich one screen had this blue ish coat on the screen, noticable from the angles you talk abouth. But the other one does not have it.
So maybe not everyone has that blue coating? Did you investigated that further?
2) As you also know there is this yellowish/darker 1/3 of the left screen, probably some don't notice it. You have to be in a dark room or in a light one really looking for it. You read abouth this huh?
But I you didn't post it here. Aren't you having this problem? And did you have it on al of your 4 phones?
3) Ghosting, yes i notice it to. No sharp text when scrolling,is that the ghosting too?
I have this first generation ipod touch, text stays sharp when scrolling. Should be the case here too.
4) Than you have the grey tints, wich turn pink. You can see it in the topic of nongrata23. But some phone don't have it it seems. Software or hardware?
We need to figure out what is 'normal' and what isn't. As I don't want to send my phone back if it is normal at this point for all the gs2 that are on the market.
Let me start by saying i used to work for a PC magazine and was among those who blew the whistle on the nVidia texture replacement fiasco surrounding the Geforce 5800. I can see a single texture out of place in a high FPS game, so my eye is VERY keen.
The colour of the SGS2 is slightly blue yes, but mine is no worse than the average LCD, including the Retina display.
Response time is seemingly slower than the previous AMOLED screens ive seen, but again is more than a match for the LCDs out there.
I would say samsung have made a trade off between the sub pixel density and other factors. It works for me just fine.
The 16bit thing is interesting. It looks to me like the screen isnt 16bit, but it is using 16bit at times. Thats a driver issue.
Hi guys.
Just recieved my brand new Nexus 4. Haven't rooted anything yet but I can notice some strange vertical "lines" of no colour. You can just say they are present and they give some weird discoloration, seen especially in the Settings menu,
Also noticed that my Antutu 3.0 closed itself (dunno why... it's 2GB of RAM...) only once and after one of several Antutu benchmarks there were some red lines... rectangles or some other stuff moving across the screen while in multitasking menu.
Now I'm a bit worried aboy the lines especially. Does it mean that I've just got a faulty device
Please check your Nexus 4's: just set the brightness to maximum and go to the Settings menu. If you see such not moving vertical lines (they are slight but still enough noticeable to see!) please report.
I live in Poland and I really would not want to RMA it since I would have to send it back to US...
EDIT: To add, the lines are especially seen on grey background, if it matters. But I can barely see them on my main screen too... I've also thought about the protective foil which is still present on both the front and back of my Nexus, but I don't think it may be causing it...
That's almost a description of the digitizer grid. Normally if it's at all visible it would require direct sunlight at specific angles. It would appear as metallic dots in vertical lines that reflect the sunlight. Perhaps the digitizer got bonded to the glass incorrectly? Give it a few days and see, it's well known that some bonding issues stabilize after a short while. If it's still very noticeable and bothers you, RMA the phone.
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That's almost a description of the digitizer grid. Normally if it's at all visible it would require direct sunlight at specific angles. It would appear as metallic dots in vertical lines that reflect the sunlight. Perhaps the digitizer got bonded to the glass incorrectly? Give it a few days and see, it's well known that some bonding issues stabilize after a short while. If it's still very noticeable and bothers you, RMA the phone.
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I'm almost sure it's not digitizer. I've seen it a few times on my dad's Xperia Neo V, and it just looks totally different. Also, I really can't see any dots. The thing that bothers me is the lines seem to be standing in their place all the time... I haven't seen this yet on any phone,
But, as you said, I'm giving it a few days. Also, I'll compare the screens when my 2nd Nexus arrives, so I'll find out if it's an issue or is it just normal (if it really CAN be normal...).
not in any particular order. factory reset it. get z-device test from the play store and run a test on the screen. dont run benchmarks on this phone. many people are having issues. and dont overclock. people are bricking their phones. i think they overheat.
Shouldn't be anything to worry about
Anyone got these lines or am I the only one to worry about them... :/ ?
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Anyone got these lines or am I the only one to worry about them... :/ ?
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Are you able to get a picture for us to see and compare?
I have lines, more like dots when angling the phone. They look like solar panel reflection, as a description. Only visible under strong sun light.
I also see rectangle impressions at certain angles;
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Here it is.
They're a little less noticeable in reality (I wanted to show them clearly), but they are. It becomes really annoying especially on one-colour backgrounds (greys!) and when swiping screens from one side to another.
Maybe it will cure itself? I really wouldn't like to do an RMA since, as I already mentioned, I live in Poland, and it would be pain to send it back to US and wait another months for new one (likely with some issues too...).
Please report whether you've got these.
PS. I also see those rectangles, but only at a very specific angle, and these are really not noticeable at all. All that bothers me are these lines...
I also get these lines when I turn the brightness up high
So I guess I'm not alone with this (issue?). If anyone spots the lines please report. It's really important to me as I'll be living with this device for probably a year or so and I really don't want to know that my phone is defective...
It's so sad; except lines, the phone is absolutely perfect; no overheating, no earphone buzz (at least not noticeable during calls at all), no yellow screen spots, no flickering, decent battery life... And now this.
Crap. Maybe that's just another "Nexus 4 feature" ?
Got my 2nd Nexus today and it's also got that strange banding. Guess it's somehow just normal...
You're seriously whining about this?? Really?!
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You're seriously whining about this?? Really?!
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Not entirely. It becomes noticeable mainly in dark rooms, and I really like to browse the Web in my bed on my Nexus 4
I guess I am becoming used to it now. It starts to be less noticeable, especially outdoors where it can't be seen at all. So I'll just stick with that and probably keep the phone.
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Got my 2nd Nexus today and it's also got that strange banding. Guess it's somehow just normal...
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I am experiencing the exact same issue you are describing and am worried myself. I just opened up my phone today. Did you end up RMAing the device? With people claiming that this is one of the best displays out there, it seems like more people would notice this problem, especially since it is so noticeable from the settings menu.
Here's a picture of the screen banding.
Yeah same issue here guys ... Already some post about it. I'm used to see thèse now but very visible at high light and grey or setting background.
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Yeah same issue here guys ... Already some post about it. I'm used to see thèse now but very visible at high light and grey or setting background.
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So do all nexus 4s have this issue or should we be RMAing our devices?
i have this too...
why does iPhone 5 get display from lg and dont have this issue but lg themselves do?
strangely apple can handle lg's screens better than themselves
kind of sucks...
this is one of those things that once you've seen it you cant unsee it
i also have a little bump on my aluminum bezel you cant see it but everytime i scroll on the left side on the screen i feel it...
So I guess the majority of Nexus 4 devices have that, but bany users can just not be aware of this issue.
That kinda sucks, but for this price... it's totally acceptable for me
Just like to say that I also have them, they are more visible at higher brightness.
Hey guys,
I've had my nexus 4 for a week now and I am super pleased by it. The phone runs like a dream.
The only issue I seem to be having is that I can see the IPS sensors even with the screen on!.
I'm talking about the little transparent-gray squares all over it, not about the super awesome dots that you can see with direct sunlight.
This is flipping me out!
Is anybody else having this problem with it?
I can't appreciate the beautiful screen because of this.
Also, when displaying single color frames specially dark ones, like on the clock app , the colors are not really solid.
I get this vertical stripes that are approximate to the color but not quite it.
Im posting a screenshot but I don't think that youll be able to notice it since it may be a hardware problem.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Question to the OP. Do YOU see anything wrong with those images, or is it a hardware problem? I can't see any difference between your screen shots and my phone.
Damn it man, now i see them too -.-
I went to the clock app, and i can see some stripes on the left but mine are vertical.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
ramkumar2000 said:
Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
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Haha Dude that's the digitizer. Don't worry. It's all cool.
Chill out people.. Its just the digitizer that you can see, so close to the screen for better touchscreen responsiveness. The most likely reason you can still see it with your device screen on is that you have your brightness too low.. Put it up
even amoled screen are also the same
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even amoled screen are also the same
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When I first got my Nexus4 the weird screen was the first thing that popped out at me. Between the visible digitizer matrix that glints when it catches the sun wrong, to the odd rectangles that can be seen behind the screen I was initially bummed and thought about returning the phone. It doesn't even bother me anymore
This is my 8th android device and the first one that has a funky screen like this, but it really isnt a big deal. Under 95 percent of conditions it looks really nice
I have been able to see the digitizer on every single capacitive screen i have ever owned.
@David_Azar I have to agree.. initially I was disgusted by how prominent the digitzer pattern was, I've never had ANY screen show it as much as the Nexus 4 does.
However, the vertical stripes you're referencing is commonly referred to as "banding". I have this on my Nexus 4 as well, most visible on grays (especially darker grays).
I have been doing some research and I believe the banding issue will reduce over time. If you check your screen when displaying a white background at max brightness, such as gmail or chrome browser, you should see a slight yellowing of the whites. It appears this can be due to the adhesive they used to glue the digitizer to the screen not curing completely. After several weeks of use, the heat from the processor will help cure the adhesive causing the yellow to disappear after a while.
I cannot say for certain that it will completely resolve the banding issue, but I have noticed that the worst banding is in the areas where the yellow tint is most prominent. I have also been testing my display every day to monitor any changes, and I am happy to report I do see a minor reduction in both the yellowing and banding (I've only had my Nexus 4 for five days so far).
Give it a couple of weeks, run some intensive games to get the processor to heat up every day. Keep brightness at max for the next few weeks and let us know if you see any improvements.
As for the pattern of the digitizer in the glass.. it's not going anywhere so get used to it. I don't like it much either but it seems to be less prominent once you start becoming used to it.
Good luck, let us know how it goes
Hey man,
Curiously enough I've never had the yellow tints everybody's complaining about. I'm used to The digitizer matrix ( rectangles) buy at first it was really weird. I was coming from a non HD display ( a RAZR Maxx) so naturally, I expected that my N4 would have a perfect screen.
I've had my N4 for almost two months now and the banding has not reduced. I made some research over the last month and I found that with some kernel settings for saturation the banding is reduced. I'm not sure if it is really reduced or the clear gray tones that have the banding just don't appear anymore because of the saturation.
The Trinity kernel reduces this a bit but like I said, your screen will look life a f*** ing AMOLED.
Right now I'm using the kernel provided by the 123 FAUX CLOCK project. I'm using the LG factory presets and for the most part I'm really happy with the screen. If you or anybody else comes up with a different solution, let others know on this thread.
Peace brothers.
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Just for kicks, if you stop by a T-mobile location compare your screen with the display model and see if you can spot the yellow tint on either screen (on a white background)
I will update this thread with my phone's progress (or lack thereof if it stops improving).
I get banding issues also, more noticeable in grey backgrounds; but I can I see them in other colors if I look hard enough
I use a dark black theme to avoid looking at those bands
I can say this. I've had a ton of devices..latest was s3 and I'll just say I'm stoked to have IPS over pen tile. Just knowing HD was plagued by this alone was enough for me to ditch Sammy all together especially after seeing rgb on note 2 was no better. This is my opinion of Samsung's design ...I know why they chose it but I can't and won't buy another amoled until they get another tech in order. So now I say kudos on IPS but I'm surely a screen purest and I found these hardware screen/digitizer artifacts you speak of and to me its so much less noticeable. Your not alone. You just like good clean HD like me. Lol HTC one should be a nice one to check out...
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That would be a little like kicking myself in the nuts. Nothing good can come out of that.
If I spot the yellow tints once, then I will always look for it. I hate doing that with the banding but it's an automatic thing.
I dunno why but it really bums me out whenever I have a problem with my phone.
Let's keep posting of someone finds a solution or something .
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I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Few more with the screen off.
sargorn said:
I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Went and checked out an Optimus G today (Nexus 4 isn't actually released in Japan). Given that a Nexus 4 is just a remodeled Optimus G I thought it'd be worth comparing screens. The digitizer matrix is barely visible on the G I was looking at with the screen OFF. With it on you could almost see it at some angles. It is much more visible on my Nexus 4 which you can almost always see with the screen off and at an angle and often with the screen on.
I'm leaning towards my phone being "less than a perfect example of a Nexus 4" and not the "norm" at the moment.
they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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See that explains it a little more. Not sure I see the logic in putting a screen with pretty decent viewing angles on a device and then sticking a really visible digitizer on it though.
I've contacted the seller and I guess I'll wait and see what they say in regard to it.
As we all know HTC One cam with 3 types of screen
those are JDİ c_1, JDİ c_2 ans Sharp panel
it was kind of wierd that all new phones have in cell touch technology where touch sensor integrated in screen, advantages with that slimmer phone, brighter screen and less reflection.
HTC chose old fasion but issue with that especially on sharp panel digitiser visible and its whe you notice annoys you.
What am I supposed to be noticing here?
I think he's talking about those lines. Personally, i consider that a viewing angle issue.
As someone who returned his phone twice for aesthetic reasons, this one would not bother me.
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finalhit said:
I think he's talking about those lines. Personally, i consider that a viewing angle issue.
As someone who returned his phone twice for aesthetic reasons, this one would not bother me.
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If it is those lines, then it isn't a Sharp panel issue in particular, mine doesn't have this. Just checked.
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If it is those lines, then it isn't a Sharp panel issue in particular, mine doesn't have this. Just checked.
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You need to angle it correctly with sunlight(only) to be able to see it. It won't show up on artificial lights.
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You need to angle it correctly with sunlight(only) to be able to see it. It won't show up on artificial lights.
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Thanks. Just tried this and it was INCREDIBLY hard to see the lines, but they were there. I couldn't even make out the screen anymore since I had to put it directly in the sun in a retarded angle. Would not have noticed this in a million years. Maybe it's worse on some screens, on mine it's a non issue
No lines with JDI_C2 panel
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Thanks. Just tried this and it was INCREDIBLY hard to see the lines, but they were there. I couldn't even make out the screen anymore since I had to put it directly in the sun in a retarded angle. Would not have noticed this in a million years. Maybe it's worse on some screens, on mine it's a non issue
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well mine is very noticible and alot are
This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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Hi, where have you mention benefits of this panel? can i see
thanks
For those having the issue, are these lines only visible when outdoors in bright light and holding the phone at an unusually sharp angle? Can you see the lines when viewing the phone from a normal angle? You can see where I'm going with this.
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For those having the issue, are these lines only visible when outdoors in bright light and holding the phone at an unusually sharp angle? Can you see the lines when viewing the phone from a normal angle? You can see where I'm going with this.
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its there mate and more than you say i live in very sunny place and its very noticable i have just exchanged it no visible lines on JDİ screen
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its there mate and more than you say i live in very sunny place and its very noticable i have just exchanged it no visible lines on JDİ screen
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I'm not pretty sure though... Mine is a samsung JDI screen and I can see the lines when phone is facing direct sunlight and looking in a 120 degree angle Anyways I don't use my phone like that and it's not a bother to me. Honestly I just noticed it 3 times since getting the phone.
You can see the lines clearly in the sunlight. Like you normally hold your phone, they go away if you angle it more towards yourself. They are a huge flaw. I have never seen any phone have this crap
I have owned
S2, s3, optimus g, Xperia s, HTC one x, lumia620
I can only see them when the screen is turned off, and holding the phone in a way no one uses their phone... And then it is barely noticeable. The One X had this as well.
My biggest issue, however, is that when I hold the phone at a certain angle and focus my eyes differently, I can see my reflection. I hope warranty covers the reflection issue :crying:
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mine is really bad i have jdi its normal but sharp was awful
Stop harassing People with honest complaints
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This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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I too noticed lines and also noticed a small purple burn in image on my screen. My phone is less than a Month old and I have had plenty of high end phones that do not share the HTC ONEs screen problems that I have experienced thus far. The phone is great, and I do not feel people should be scared of other people who make sharp comments negating their honest views. I hate closed minds. I applaud everyone who expresses their individual problems with a device they paid top dollar for. Just because we highlight certain areas of a phone does not mean we are not credible in our complaints.
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You can see the lines clearly in the sunlight. Like you normally hold your phone, they go away if you angle it more towards yourself. They are a huge flaw. I have never seen any phone have this crap
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S2, s3, optimus g, Xperia s, HTC one x, lumia620
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I second this flaw. Don't let people tell you this is natural. Neither my iPhone or Galaxy S4 has showed these lines and if they did I would comment. I can also see mine at a correct viewing angle in outside sunlight. I should note I love my HTC ONe. I share no brand "fan boy" feelings.
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Hi, where have you mention benefits of this panel? can i see
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The benefits (since you asked):
1. Best brightness value
2. Best viewing angles
3. Most accurate color display/calibration
4. Highest pixel density (marginal, I know, but the numbers are what they are)
5. Most natural white temperature
All of these confirmed through various reviews/comparisons of current android phones. I can also personally attest to these through my own comparisons with numerous phones side by side. This does not include iphone 5 which is better still in most of these categories.
So the point made (and a very valid point I would say) was that if we have to deal with this insignificant "problem" to have a better display in most other senses, for me that's a no-brainer. No one in these threads seems to accept that yes, it's normal for this phone. Maybe that's not ideal for some for whatever reason and that's totally fair, lucky them there's other excellent phones to choose from. Everyone has their own priorities
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I've gone through 4 one's and 3/4 had that and my last one doesn't.
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I've gone through 4 one's and 3/4 had that and my last one doesn't.
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Hi i got my excahnge JDİ panel ts not visible unless extreme same as any phone only sharp panels have ths issue badly
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I too noticed lines and also noticed a small purple burn in image on my screen. My phone is less than a Month old and I have had plenty of high end phones that do not share the HTC ONEs screen problems that I have experienced thus far. The phone is great, and I do not feel people should be scared of other people who make sharp comments negating their honest views. I hate closed minds. I applaud everyone who expresses their individual problems with a device they paid top dollar for. Just because we highlight certain areas of a phone does not mean we are not credible in our complaints.
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I second this flaw. Don't let people tell you this is natural. Neither my iPhone or Galaxy S4 has showed these lines and if they did I would comment. I can also see mine at a correct viewing angle in outside sunlight. I should note I love my HTC ONe. I share no brand "fan boy" feelings.
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Thank you but Galaxy S4 and phone 5 has integrated touch sensors. saying that i have my one x its not visible its issue comes with certain types
Hi guys,
Anyone else notice any uneven screen backlighting? I read forums on the v20, and when reading back text on white background - while scrolling down to read more text I notice dark shades on the screen. I downloaded screen test and lo and behold...dark patch on my screen! I then sent it back to LG and assured me that they replaced the screen module and tested it and all 'voltage' was normal - BUT, dark shades were still present albeit in a different spot!
Can someone here please confirm if this is a normal thing for LG screen as I realise it is LCD backlit and not OLED hence a few bleeding / inconsistency of backlight would be present. Even though I have never experienced this on ANY of my HTC's which were all LCD screens.
cheers guys! sorry for the long post!
Yes, i have it too! H910 variant. Two dark/dim spots that run horizontal from edge to edge. Can be more noticeable/annoying in landscape view than portrait actually.
Exchanged one brand new H910 for another. Same problem. Both manufactured 12/16. Havent had this on any other LG Ive owned (RS988 G5, D850 G3, P930 Nitro HD) or Moto for that matter. Pretty bummed to have this in an $830 USD device.
Edit...seems like the issue can be excaberated by different viewing angles. Also, totally anecdotal, but i looked at my display at a stoplight (wearing polarized shades) and i noticed the screen looked unaffected by the shades compared to other LCDs (cars TFT nav screen, an eIPS tablet, etc) that i have in the car. Wonder if what we are seeing is some type of side effect from a polarizing filter, or maybe lack of, used with this display/panel?
Or, maybe these things are edge-lit and LG used an uneven arrangement of emitters. Not really sure.
Good call...I do think it may be the backlight being edge lit! which could only mean (maybe) the backlight has failed at some spots or LG engineers mis-formulated where to put the lighting. it is very sad to hear that this may not be an isolated problem.
I did however sent it back for repair and the technician advice of a NEW LCD module/screen fitted. was sent back to me the same day!! WOW! BUT...same problem but it a different spot.
If this keeps going I may have to consider a new device altogether!
Then im starting to hear crackling on both earpiece and speakers....but thats a different thread!
arrgg...
I began to notice this on my v20 that I bought at the end of December, at first I thought it was just viewing angle or I messed up the screen. However my mom just got a v20 and hers' has the exact same problem in nearly the same spot. I should add that my phone is an LS997 that is completely stock. Also @D0NZ which screen test application did you use to see the problem better?
I used an app called full screen test...its free and simple. I then took a photo of it with my old htc m8 then sent it to lg for review.
The V10s have this as well. Something to do with the backlight and 2nd screen. Kind of got used to it on my V10. Was hoping that would have been addressed with the build of the V20.
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But I still have that unwanted effect even if the second screen is off?
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But I still have that unwanted effect even if the second screen is off?
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I think so. On the V10 it was really noticeable when the main screen went into immersive mode and the 2nd screen went off.
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this to me is a deal breaker! I read a lot on my phone, tis why I got a large screen! If this is the 'norm' for a flagship...
I pretty much think its unacceptable. They produce their own screens and cant get a flagship right? hmm...which phone to replace it with now that is available locally (for me that is down under)
So here are some pics I sent LG originally!
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So here are some pics I sent LG originally!
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Looking at your grey screen, those bands/dim areas are in the exact same locations on my device (and my prior V20)! It must be inherent to this panel. You said the bands/dim locations changed after LG swapped screens/devices for you though?
Either way, it is a bummer. I'm still undecided if I should return mine as well, or just live with it. Almost every recent device has some quirk to live with it seems. I recently traded a Samsung Galaxy S7 that had a beautiful AMOLED display, but the device picked up scratches (on the display *and* body) like I've never seen before. I even took a look over at the dark side (Apple), and they seem to be catching flak for overheating and camera problems in some iPhone 7 devices. Sigh.
I have it on one corner pretty bad, is this because of the IPS screen and how the frame of the phone is pressing on it?
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I have it on one corner pretty bad, is this because of the IPS screen and how the frame of the phone is pressing on it?
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I think its to do with backlight distribution tbh. Ive had a number of HTC's and NONE of them had backlight distribution issues. Im now wondering IF a 3rd party screen module would be better than the original LG produced? OR...if this is an isolated issue only on some devices. My device was manufactured Nov 2016. Maybe a later produced model has better screens? Anyone with a newer produced V20 care to share?
I think its the placement of the 2nd screen backlight. Ill try to find the thread. Someone with a V10 explained it last year.
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Here is the post I remember from the V10 forums that seem to make the most sense regarding backlight being uneven.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64236798&postcount=45
Both my replacement V20 and original V20 have uneven screen backlighting (at least the replacement has a better back cover mechanism). There is a dark spot in the middle of the status bar on white (or lighter) screens. What is weirder is that it is the exact same pattern and location as the first one. It is present in both stock and LOS. I suppose I'll just wait around a year and warranty it out then because I just want to start using the phone. I included an image for people that were curious how it looked.
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I think I can live with that...as in...the dim sections are on the edge of the screen. Mine was in the middle of the screen which i cannot stand!
I have sent the replaced screen NOT to LG but to the place where I bought it.
They said that the repairer that LG told me to send it to was the last on their system as 'reliable'. The store said that they will deal with the repairer and LG. I kind of hope the worst happens and they just offer me a refund or a total replacement - but I doubt that would happen!
UPDATE: so i sent it back to jb hifi, on the report, they can replicate the issue. On the repairers report - they couldnt
SO i get it back with all the 'test' that they have done on it being to manufacturer's specs.
Which i think now...was never good to begin with
Too bad i cant unsee what i can see...sux...I wonder if AMOLEDs have these issues? Anyone care to elaborate?
I have this issue with my LG V20 -- only when viewing photos
I have this issue with my LG V20 -- only when viewing photos - see photos -- screen has two long bright lines.
See attached photos - lines are not on the photos themselves --it is just in the backlighting -- and the lines are not there when viewing websites or if testing the screen with an test app. Please cut ans paste links to see photos - remove blank area after http -- I can't post links till I have 10 posts on this site - if any kind poster could repost so others can see them that would be great!
http ://oi64.tinypic.com/24q96aa.jpg
...and these lines stay the same even when you enlarge the photo...
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I have the same issue below secondary screen. Only noticeable on white background. Doesn't ruin reading books, it's there, but minor. I have dual sim variant. I'd be very upset if I paid launching price. All those things you only find out when you get the device.