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Vibrant forum dying?

Before I get to my point I want to thank all the devs for there hard work that they do in their spare time. They do it for free and hope that some of us donate to make it a little more worth their while.
Maybe it's just me or does it seem like the development thread is slowing down. I've noticed lately that most of the stuff coming in now is ports from other phones and updates for past builds. Theres not alot of new stuff rolling out. EDT seems to stay busy, but what happend to TW? I would have put money on having a stable 2.3 rom out by now to use as a daily driver. We also lost Eugene and leaked samsung builds seem to not be coming out as often.
Is our phone entering the twilight years? Are the dev's losing interest and working on other phones. I've played around with some of the new phones like the atrix and thunderbolt and i'm sure they could be a lil more interesting to build for.
I hope i'm wrong and 5 min. after I post this a new 2.3 rom comes out. It was fun when you flashed a new trigger rom and 1 day later the new bionix came out. This is a really nice phone and you have to really try hard to brick it. It's almost like Samsung designed it to be modded. Hopefully the devs can get inspired again or some new blood comes in to give us something new.

I think we need to be patient. One day there will be a leak for gb and things will fire up again.
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just relax man every phone goes through spells of development. I see you only joined in april so just wait, Whitehawkx had a mostly working gb port working minus the gps and we have CM7 and MIUI support now as well.
Be patient this phone is amazing and im certain development will continue for it for some time.
In the mean time flash a miui beta or try out the EDT roms you wont be disappointed.

Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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u guys keep us coming back for more every day and i thank you for that! great job on all this.

explodingboy70 said:
Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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Yes, but point being is that we're pretty much at the mercy of Samsung & T-Mobile to release a 2.3.
We will not have a kernel source to play with until it releases for I9K, and even then we'll have issues for a while. And we won't have one with rockin' battery life until we get a leak or source.
But yeah, there really isn't much developing coming from anyone except the guys working on kernels & people like Whitehawk, sonique, and of course Untermench who actaully modify the code. Because there's not much else to do.

Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!

explodingboy70 said:
Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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I actually have tried to develop a theme to post here but there is so much involved with all the editing and i simply don't have the time. I really wish I did. Trust me I have a great respect for what the dev's do once I started playing around with just a theme. I can only imagine what a rom would take. Plus I can honestly say i'm not skilled enough to put out a quality rom any time soon, if ever. I'm really not complaining about effort or quantity from the devs, i've just noticed lately there seems to be a dull in the dev section. I was just wondering why.

Eugene is back. He said on twitter that he bought a Vibrant. You can see evidence, his newest Ginger Clone version has already had 4 updates.
Sure a lot of the development is for 2.2 and 2.2.1 roms, but I'd say we're easily WAY more active than we used to be. We've now got plenty of choices of roms, kernels, and themes. We've also got new people joining the Vibe development scene. There's an experimental Gingerbread Sense that's just started testing. We are now officially supported by the MIUI team. I see new things happening every day. Development doesn't always happen overnight, but I believe we've still got lots of good things look forward to.

Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.

Tarzanman said:
Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?

dcontrol said:
Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.
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Haha yeah I remember that too. But ROMs every week != good. Most of them are ports and aren't stable.
I really wish we could have AOSP roms so we could have TRUE development going on. None of this hack and patch stuff.
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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They want CM lol (as do I)

Why do we keep having these threads. I rooted my phone late last year. I have been more then satisfied. I'm just glad to have a faster better phone than what I had originally. Just have some damn patience.
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Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.

What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^

masterotaku said:
Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.
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Well said. It's just like what happened when I had the N1, people started to complain because the roms were so stable there weren't many updates being released.

regP said:
I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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i dont know either...
2.3 probably WILL be faster than 2.2 (duh) but besides the speed, we have everything else.
All thats going to be different is when you go into settings about it will say 2.3 gingerbread
instead of 2.2 or 2.2.1
the rest is good.
im on miui, and i switch between cm7 and miui once in a while
im never going back to 2.2.1

birgertime said:
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.

birgertime said:
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Well said. Someone just asked on one of my 2.2.1 threads why it was so quiet and my only thought was because everything works. Here it is everything has been fixed there should be nothing left to discuss here flash and enjoy.
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thegreatcity said:
Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.
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That's the point for me. I stopped updating at KA6. Sure KA7 came out not long after, but why? I had been updating daily/weekly until then, always fighting some bug or flaw. With KA6, I flashed the ODIN version, removed bloatware myself, added the round battery icon, power off menu, and that was *it*. More recently I've updated the Kernel to Overstock 2.x and voodoo FS, but I'm not even sure why I need voodoo. Can't tell a difference in the real speed of the phone.
I didn't take the phone apart to add FFC like so many did (and who also never use it in most cases), so I don't need improved support for that... and themes, well... I guess there is that, not much going on in KA6 themes -- but that doesn't affect the use of the phone at all.
KA6 for me has been fast, stable, and by far the best on battery life of any I've touched yet. There are few if any programs out there that require 2.3 or higher, and until that is the case, why change?
The atmosphere is totally different than it was last fall, when the rest of the world was going 2.2 and Vibrant was stuck on 2.1. At that time, there were an increasing number of programs that simply would not work on Eclair - plus Froyo had been promised as an update. Now we have everything Samsung promised, and really if you're running a lightly modded ROM, it *is* bug-free.
So... until I am forced to consider 2.3, I'm sticking with KA6.. It is nice after years of constantly flashing upgrades on the HTC Vogue (wm6), then the G1, then flashing the MT3G constantly, then constantly flashing the Vibrant, to actually pick up my phone and have it work the same way it did yesterday.

Any developers here?

I was just wondering how many developers are using an Arc? (with developers i mean rom cookers)
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Ditto on this one, anything that springs to mind for future projects
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I was more wondering what happens if we have root, ublocked bootloader. i am sure the arc has more horse power than what it has now. Maybe it's tme to learn how to build roms, i'm a Linux user so it doesn't have to be hard .
It would be great to see cyanogenmod on the arc or just tweaks to the OEM rom.

Hopefully all the X10 devs + some N1/Desire devs will come here.
All I know is that Paul from modaco is waiting like us the ''password'' to unlock his Play, knowing it's the same File System and protections he will produce exellent roms for us.
CM7 and MIUI will surelly be adapted.
I don't think the scenario of X10 will be repeated, many devs were willing to work on custom roms but the phone was locked for a several months so they abandoned and swaped their x10.
As for the ARC it all depends on SE, sooner they release the keys and better are the chances to get many roms, the more they wait and the less devs will support the Arc ...

It will be great to see great roms on the ARC like CM7 and MIUI. so all we have to do is wait on the unlocked bootloader. hope to see it get released soon

For exemple, HTC just unveiled the Sensation with the new high resolution screen, if it gets rooted before the Arc then I will swap my Arc with one of them

vegetaleb said:
For exemple, HTC just unveiled the Sensation with the new high resolution screen, if it gets rooted before the Arc then I will swap my Arc with one of them
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I think the bootloader will be locked, thats what it looks like. i just read tweets from paul about bootloader
here:
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulOBrien/status/57835519924637696
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulOBrien/status/57835680818147328
and here
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulOBrien/status/57835930786074624

So finally the Arc will be a great device for custom roms!
The hundreds of devs coming from HTC will preffer the build quality of the Arc over the cheapos LG and samsung

vegetaleb said:
So finally the Arc will be a great device for custom roms!
The hundreds of devs coming from HTC will preffer the build quality of the Arc over the cheapos LG and samsung
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That would be great though there a lot devs with LG2X i had to choose between SE and LG but then i thought nice thing but it's LG
now HTC is locking everything devs would look at other phones. the Arc, Play and Neo are similar so i think if one has a custom rom porting it to another wouldn't be that hard

All im interested in atm is rooting
So does anyone have any idea of when we will get it rooted?
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On the SE dev blog they said it will be ''later in spring''.
So if they want to keep their promise they have till 20th June max
I think I can smell it toward end May don't ask me why

vegetaleb said:
On the SE dev blog they said it will be ''later in spring''.
So if they want to keep their promise they have till 20th June max
I think I can smell it toward end May don't ask me why
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No no, June is summer...end of May, TOPS!

I hope this time they will keep their promise and no postpone at all!
How many time they postponed release of phones,FW updates...?
But here if they want SE Arc to be a success even among dual core phones they should release the root before SGS2 enter the market because this one will be rooted in 24h

That´s true! Sony Ericsson MUST do this! Does the unlocked bootloader means root?

No but unlocking the bootloader means we can use fastboot command, any good dev can then build a root method in a couple of minutes or hours.
If Amon Ra and clockwork recoveries are implemented it's even better,we can then backup,wipe,format partitions to ext 2-3-4...on the phone itself exactly like on nexus one and desire
Custom Kernels will follow too,increasing battery life or overcloacking the cpu...
This dev section will have tons of roms to chose from

vegetaleb said:
This dev section will have tons of roms to chose from
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I had sworn never to install a custom ROM ever again since I really need my phone for my business and I messed up my Xperia X1 several times...
But reading this... Tempting... Must... Stay... away...
AArrrrgghhhhhh!!!!!!

well you say it ^^
since they released unlock today.. D
so .. i hope now everyone startet git & eclipse (or whatelse ^^) & is working on root & roms

Mooozer said:
well you say it ^^
since they released unlock today.. D
so .. i hope now everyone startet git & eclipse (or whatelse ^^) & is working on root & roms
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Hope so, want to see root and CM7

Anyone who can tweet Paul O Brien must do it right now

vegetaleb said:
Anyone who can tweet Paul O Brien must do it right now
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He also unlocked his xperia play, soon soon we will have root, roms, kernels haha
does anyone know if the xperia arc kernel has been released?

Ideas to make Xperia S loved by XDA devs

I had an Arc for 1 month, I really liked it but I couldn't live without a variety of custom roms
I am now on Sensation and thinking about the Xperia S (sorry no proper section yet),this upcoming phone is totally awesome in both look and features, BUT I am afraid XDA devs will not be interested again...
Though I think the only way to make it sexy for them is that:
-Sony send a free device(s) to known devs team like CM,Virtuous,MIUI,Modaco...
If you have other ideas then throw them here

Sony gave Arc and Arc S to CM devs, so don't complain
Developement is harder on SE devices than on for example on HTC decices from what I've heard - that's the reason why we don't have that much devs
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Sony Ericsson always used quite a lot of special hardware, especially when it comes to camera sensors. It's always been a challenge for developers to get those to work on custom roms.
The problem in 2011 is that there was too much time between the hardware release and the availability of certain sources and the bootloader unlock.
If they make sure the Xperia S can be unlocked right away and the sources are available fast then we might get a lot of development going on.
Then again, Sony doesn't care that much, the vast majority of users doesn't even root, so they focus mainly on the stock ROMs. And they are the best of all stock ROMs. By far. And the default software on the 2012 looks to be extremely good and complete.
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I came from Optimus 2X as kernel developer, I hope I can contribute something once xperia S available, as long, Sony gives developer access to tweak the phone, like kernel source code, unlocked bootloader as default and offcourse new OS update...

fajarep said:
I came from Optimus 2X as kernel developer, I hope I can contribute something once xperia S available, as long, Sony gives developer access to tweak the phone, like kernel source code, unlocked bootloader as default and offcourse new OS update...
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Imo, they totally do.
You could check this e.g.

IMO SE has tried all hard to support XDA in terms of development let's hope under Sony's management they do the same.

Best way to make them interested is to buy them one with donations.
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It's very hard to turn a hTC dev into a Sony one,though a samsung one is easy because whatever galaxy series are good they lack the higher grade materials used by Sony,specially Xperia S which look like a portable Bravia tv
The X10 gave a bad taste to xda devs, the Arc was not well liked too because it wasn't dual core,but now the xperia S with it's very good CPU,12mp camera and HD screen should be perfect!
They just have to promote it better in advertisements inside xda and other forums adv spaces,the Google Nexus Prime is very well advertised for exemple,there is a remarquable ''push'' marketing

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They just have to promote it better in advertisements inside xda
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I think, they really do.
Afaik there are already two XDA members from Sony.
And btw, SE/Sony was the first manufacturer, who gave the community a official way to unlock the BL of devices (now HTC does the same).
Once they released camera libs to FXP team.
They even released a ICS alpha for XDA devs.
I haven't seen another manufacturer doing something like that.
(correct me if I'm wrong at some point)

So why the custom roms on Arc are so poor?
I was expecting 10x more specially that it was unlocked way before Sensation (I was here).
I hope sgs3 will not flame devs again and forget about xperia S

vegetaleb said:
So why the custom roms on Arc are so poor?
I was expecting 10x more specially that it was unlocked way before Sensation (I was here).
I hope sgs3 will not flame devs again and forget about xperia S
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I think it's because most of the developers was behind Dual core devices like HTC Sensation, Samsung etc. but we are making progress we have a great team of dedicated developers like FreeXperia Team. Now our device is under official CM chart. We have most popular custom ROMs like MIUI, CM and few stock based ROM. Lot of the other custom ROM's I have seen are most based on CM so doesn't make much difference. The exceptions are Oxygen, SuperOSR etc. Those developers are active with Nexus devices.
Unlike other devices Sony is little hard to develop due to heavy customization and hardware. Compared to other manufactures Sony has only few customers. HTC users stay with HTC, Samsung users stays with Samsung devices and upgrade to newer Samsung model but they hardly change from HTC to Samsung etc. So it will take time. I'm guessing by Xperia S release we might see few more developers because now we have more advance hardware people might consider upgrading to Sony. But I'm happy with the development what we have now.

i already love the Xperia S
will surely be buying it....
though i dont mind if the community donates a Xperia ION/Xperia S
i dont think no. of custom ROMs is really something to worry about...
we dont need half baked ROMs which are all basically stock ROMs just with some apps removed/added and few "cosmetic" changes... i have seen may communities which have TONS of roms which are hardly 2% different from stock ROM... thats not going to help... just a few well supported and developed ROMs is all that is needed... oh and dont forget powerful kernels as however good a ROM is it cant fully use the power of the device unless u have excellent kernels...
as for general developer interest... HTC & Samsung devices are most loved by devs because of the open nature of the vendors... also both of these vendors have a HUGE user base... some developers prefer to work only on devices which are widely used...

dp94 said:
I think, they really do.
Afaik there are already two XDA members from Sony.
And btw, SE/Sony was the first manufacturer, who gave the community a official way to unlock the BL of devices (now HTC does the same).
Once they released camera libs to FXP team.
They even released a ICS alpha for XDA devs.
I haven't seen another manufacturer doing something like that.
(correct me if I'm wrong at some point)
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Samsung took the first move in the developer interest
BTW Bootloader are factory unlocked in all devices(Not for galaxy nexus,u have to use a tool )
They donated many devices to devs
And they devs are still their and working on CM9...

sahibunlimited said:
Samsung took the first move in the developer interest
BTW Bootloader are factory unlocked in all devices(Not for galaxy nexus,u have to use a tool )
They donated many devices to devs
And they devs are still their and working on CM9...
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Based on my experience with LG Optimus 2x with unlocked and standard bootloader, it is very easy to bring back brick Optimus 2x by using nvflash/smartflash way. I can mess with partition size without worry about non bootable android device.
And now, android development in Optimus 2x getting rise, many new ROMs get published..
If Sony gives those flexibility with their phone(not to worry about brick phone as long it is related with software), I believe we can really mess with Sony Xperia S
Cheers

DooMLoRD said:
i already love the Xperia S
will surely be buying it....
though i dont mind if the community donates a Xperia ION/Xperia S
i dont think no. of custom ROMs is really something to worry about...
we dont need half baked ROMs which are all basically stock ROMs just with some apps removed/added and few "cosmetic" changes... i have seen may communities which have TONS of roms which are hardly 2% different from stock ROM... thats not going to help... just a few well supported and developed ROMs is all that is needed... oh and dont forget powerful kernels as however good a ROM is it cant fully use the power of the device unless u have excellent kernels...
as for general developer interest... HTC & Samsung devices are most loved by devs because of the open nature of the vendors... also both of these vendors have a HUGE user base... some developers prefer to work only on devices which are widely used...
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I agree with DoomLoRD its better to have quality over quantity. Few ROMs but stable, fast, and beautiful instead of bunch of ROMs that hardly have difference from the STOCK one or improve nothing its pointless.

I don't agree with samsung actual users being loyal to the brand, most of sgs2 users are freshly converted people from symbian/bb/iphone to Android.They wanted the best specs from the beginning,though they are a little deceived by the poor plastic and design.SE Arc lacked the dual core and was sold at a high price which made people buy sgs2 instead, the Xperia S packs very good specs(12mp,dual core),superb design and appareantly nice materials!
So unless the sgs3 features quad-core cpu and also 12mp there are big chances to have people switching from sammy to Sony this time.
HTC fans are very loyal to HTC because of the Sense roms and super high quality aluminium materials,but some dudes like me who were SE fans in the past...we can come back to Sony again

Why should SGS II people switch to the Sony Xperia S?!
They should offer the same performance or SGS II should be faster due Exynos.
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SE is corporating very much with us devs. FXP team has got access to the needed devices of 2011 line. From what is expected this work will be continued with 2012 devices. Dont worry FXP team will support Xperia S for sure
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Bin4ry said:
Dont worry FXP team will support Xperia S for sure
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Then I'll pre-order one for sure.
Thanks FXP Team for your great work.

Bin4ry said:
SE is corporating very much with us devs. FXP team has got access to the needed devices of 2011 line. From what is expected this work will be continued with 2012 devices. Dont worry FXP team will support Xperia S for sure
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Now that we have your "official word" on the matter we all can stop worrying about developer support
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Share the news CM10 is out!!!

Hi all,
Wanted to share this exciting news and hope that our devs will start working on this.
http://androidcommunity.com/cyanogenmod-10-will-bring-jelly-bean-to-many-20120705/
Jelly Bean source is expected to be released by the end of the month.
Anyone hungry for more desert?
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that is really an exciting news
can't wait the release of jb!
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yes!:laugh: cant wait!

And the code is out. Cranck up your machines and let the fun begin....
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-4-1-jelly-bean-source-code-released-to-aosp/

I read elsewhere the differences between JB and ICS weren't really large, so it should be "easy" (as easy as something as complex can be ) to port ICS working devices to JB.
I would love that, the longer my phone last, the happyer i am.

Looks like CM already started working on JB
http://androidcommunity.com/cyanogenmod-updates-their-status-on-cm10-jelly-bean-20120710/
which is a good new, I hope, one of our devs will take an interest on porting one to MS2, although it's a little premature for that.

Megalith27 said:
Looks like CM already started working on JB
http://androidcommunity.com/cyanogenmod-updates-their-status-on-cm10-jelly-bean-20120710/
which is a good new, I hope, one of our devs will take an interest on porting one to MS2, although it's a little premature for that.
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Yeah it's a bit "premature", but we will probably get it in time.
If i'm not mistaken, we had ICS on our phones before the official version was available for MS4.... it speaks a lot of the "proficiency" and understanding of products of Motorola devs...

Ashareth said:
Yeah it's a bit "premature", but we will probably get it in time.
If i'm not mistaken, we had ICS on our phones before the official version was available for MS4.... it speaks a lot of the "proficiency" and understanding of products of Motorola devs...
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Moto now should do, as they promised. Unlock boot loaders fro mobiles, which they won't support ....
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_panter said:
Moto now should do, as they promised. Unlock boot loaders fro mobiles, which they won't support ....
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Well, according to this:http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-coming-soon-20120711/
Moto just promised to "try" to unlock BL what they were doing for the last couple of years but time will show, i guess...

Megalith27 said:
Well, according to this:http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-coming-soon-20120711/
Moto just promised to "try" to unlock BL what they were doing for the last couple of years but time will show, i guess...
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I'm always "reassured" by people BUILDING/CREATING AND SELLING PRODUCTS when they explain to you they can "try" to do something that is super easy, and haven't made the slightest progress in 1 year and a half on it.
It makes you want to believe they are able to do more complex things on their products without botching it... not.

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Well, according to this:http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-coming-soon-20120711/
Moto just promised to "try" to unlock BL what they were doing for the last couple of years but time will show, i guess...
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We can understand why we won’t be holding our breathes...

Looks like the ball had already started rolling on Defy front
Which is a good sign for Moto community and especially for us. Time to hold your breath.

Megalith27 said:
Looks like the ball had already started rolling on Defy front
Which is a good sign for Moto community and especially for us. Time to hold your breath.
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Or not.
It's not like we don't have our hands full finding new bugs on the CM9 port already... (yeah i know, there is not much, and most of them are known already ).
And there is still quite some functionality of CM9 to be merged too, like themes support and so on.
But yeah, it's a good thing people already started working on JB/CM/10 port (makes you wonder what the overpaid devs working for constructors/operators are doing in their days, since having access to far more than us, and not having to work with the locked bootloader restrictions, they still haven't ported most of their december 2011 devices to ICS... ).
Hell at that rythm, MS2 will have JB before the official ICS hits the MS4...

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Or not.
It's not like we don't have our hands full finding new bugs on the CM9 port already... (yeah i know, there is not much, and most of them are known already ).
And there is still quite some functionality of CM9 to be merged too, like themes support and so on.
But yeah, it's a good thing people already started working on JB/CM/10 port (makes you wonder what the overpaid devs working for constructors/operators are doing in their days, since having access to far more than us, and not having to work with the locked bootloader restrictions, they still haven't ported most of their december 2011 devices to ICS... ).
Hell at that rythm, MS2 will have JB before the official ICS hits the MS4...
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Gotta love your optimism, buddy
But I think, Alex is doing an amazing job of taking ownership of CM9 and tiding things up. I read on his tweet that he has resloved the flash conflict issue, so we may be getting an update this weekend. (hopefully)
Regarding HW keypad, read your post on CM9 thread, I'll have a look into that when I'll be home and have all my tools. I use qwerty, so I fixed the file for my own convenience to be able to have caps lock on double press of shift button.
But, you're most certainly right, it's not like we will have JB working from day one and it's gonna take a lot of effort by our devs to make MS2 stand tall in front of the big boys lol afterall this is probably the best hw keypad device in the market.
And for now we just can watch closely how thing are developing for Defy

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Gotta love your optimism, buddy
But I think, Alex is doing an amazing job of taking ownership of CM9 and tiding things up. I read on his tweet that he has resloved the flash conflict issue, so we may be getting an update this weekend. (hopefully)
Regarding HW keypad, read your post on CM9 thread, I'll have a look into that when I'll be home and have all my tools. I use qwerty, so I fixed the file for my own convenience to be able to have caps lock on double press of shift button.
But, you're most certainly right, it's not like we will have JB working from day one and it's gonna take a lot of effort by our devs to make MS2 stand tall in front of the big boys lol afterall this is probably the best hw keypad device in the market.
And for now we just can watch closely how thing are developing for Defy
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Being optimistic is nice sometimes, and it's quite easy when people like Alex works so fast AND pretty much everything unlock around the same time (in a short time we had the camera, the 720p decoding (and encoding i think) and hwa unlocked for our phones ), but yeah, i know it'll take time, but i'm not in a hurry anyway, my phone is more than usable on a daily basis for what i do, everything else is "added benefits".
For the keyboard, if you can find how to change that, and explain to me how to do it, i would be glad.

do you think there will be ever some release for ms2?

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do you think there will be ever some release for ms2?
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The code is very similar to ICS so the cyanogen team think any phone that can run CM9 will probably be able to run CM10, which is promising
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Quarx on Defy front is on fire!!! He managed to make audio work with some help from other devs and also video recording.
I am saying by Friday he will have complete pre-alpha version of CM10 for Defy.
Hard to explain but I am kinda excited, although I get an impression that Defy sees more love from devs than our MS2 and can't find a reason why

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Quarx on Defy front is on fire!!! He managed to make audio work with some help from other devs and also video recording.
I am saying by Friday he will have complete pre-alpha version of CM10 for Defy.
Hard to explain but I am kinda excited, although I get an impression that Defy sees more love from devs than our MS2 and can't find a reason why
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That's good news.
Quite some reasons actually for the far more active Defy :
- there is far less versions of it (he don't have like 3/4 versions just for the countries outside the US ), and from what i've read, the Defy is roughly the same everywhere, unlike the Droid2/Droid 2 Global/MS2
- there wasn't the "oops, you can't downgrade anymore" update on it i think
- it's a more "mainstream" phone than the Droid lines (strangely, the phones with hardware keyboards are "niche" phones, wonder why when they are similar in price, size and perfs to non hw ones )
But hey, good thing the MS lines of phones share so much hardware and similarities with other more active phones like Defy/Atrix, makes it easier for us having something working.

[Discussion] Jelly Bean on Xperia Play

So we have had unofficial versions of jellybean for a while now. All the way back to the jbx think tank. Now I hear there is a possibility for a Jellybean update(POSSIBLE. Please don't spam this thread saying "Jellybean never! Muahaha! And ect.) now that firmware has been finally certified for the first time in many months! Now let's get discussing! :beer: What are your thoughts on these things? Not just an official update but Jellybean in general.

They might release jellybean 4.1 (or 4.2 because theyre a bit late )
Because it has better performance and they already had some full ics builds
But i think itll last some time until theyre out
I expect a good performance because theyre getting paid for this stuff.

I think it will be possible if Sony will work with devs to get everything too 100% mainly the touchpad though
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Spatinator said:
They might release jellybean 4.1 (or 4.2 because theyre a bit late )
Because it has better performance and they already had some full ics builds
But i think itll last some time until theyre out
I expect a good performance because theyre getting paid for this stuff.
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Just a theory, but i also hope that theyll release jb

Sorry but I don't think an official jellybean update will happen. They just announced their update plans concerning jellybean and some newer and more powerful devices ( arc s for example) won't be updated. More info on xperiablog.net.
So the new firmware might be for a superlate ICS update or just nothing really.
But I don't care because xda devs have made an amazing job to bring jellybean to our devices. Cosmicdan, cj360, farenheith and all the others, you guys worked very hard to get the most of this abandoned phone. Many devs naturally moved on to other devices, but you stayed for this very special and unique device which did not receive the official support it deserved.
So thank you guys, I won t be buying another Sony phone before long I think because of their catastrophic update policy ( and it doesnt seem it gets better), but you made me and still make me very happy with my phone.

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Sorry but I don't think an official jellybean update will happen. They just announced their update plans concerning jellybean and some newer and more powerful devices ( arc s for example) won't be updated. More info on xperiablog.net.
So the new firmware might be for a superlate ICS update or just nothing really.
But I don't care because xda devs have made an amazing job to bring jellybean to our devices. Cosmicdan, cj360, farenheith and all the others, you guys worked very hard to get the most of this abandoned phone. Many devs naturally moved on to other devices, but you stayed for this very special and unique device which did not receive the official support it deserved.
So thank you guys, I won t be buying another Sony phone before long I think because of their catastrophic update policy ( and it doesnt seem it gets better), but you made me and still make me very happy with my phone.
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You think sony's update policy is bad? You should see Nokia's, they are notorious for abandoning devices within months of their release. Probably why they've all but disappeared from the cellphone competition. Coming from Nokia handset's, N-gage, N900 etc, I'd say sony is a God Send.

Actually from my experience they are all bad in term of updates. I can only recommend Google Nexus devices, although Samsung devices come close because they don't lock their bootloaders, if it is, its usually Verizon or ATT.
For now I will only buy a Nexus device or an Xperia Play 2.
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Very interesting stuff here. I don't really care if we get offical Jellybean. Ill probably switch to a Nexus phone since Im not much of a gamer and use this to play minecraft.
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I'm not a big fan of either verizon or s.e. for the lack of support for this underdog of a phone. but the devs here obviously showed both of them that when you work together as one you can give people what they want...& thats the freedom of choice.
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I am coming from iPhone 4, I have 3 android tablet so I am familiar with android. I was waiting for the Nexus 4 but decided to get Xperia instead. I was surprised at how cheap it is, I just bought it for $90 unlocked GSM. Its a tremendous value. I want to use it for emulation.
Anyways, I have spent the past few hours reading this forum trying to come up with a play of what to do when I comes in. I want to put ICS or Jelly Bean on it mainly because I want to have the virtual back and home buttons. I would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction.

sirkingchase said:
I am coming from iPhone 4, I have 3 android tablet so I am familiar with android. I was waiting for the Nexus 4 but decided to get Xperia instead. I was surprised at how cheap it is, I just bought it for $90 unlocked GSM. Its a tremendous value. I want to use it for emulation.
Anyways, I have spent the past few hours reading this forum trying to come up with a play of what to do when I comes in. I want to put ICS or Jelly Bean on it mainly because I want to have the virtual back and home buttons. I would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction.
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If u want emulation, remember that FPSe and Mupen64 got touchpad support ONLY on ICS and +.
So just flash last CM9.1 FXP 152 + farenheit fix and you're done.
Unfortunely, JB is still no go for us, because touchpad causes lag, nobody knows the reason. Except touchpad, JB is 100% funcional tough..

Jelly bean it will be like a gift in christmas for me xD come on developers work more on it!!!!!!!
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The best rom thus far...
The best one I tried so far is this one
The gapps work (when flashed)
The SIM Card works (nice)
Relatively Stable
Fast Bootup
CyangenMod Based.
You do need an unlocked BL
I tried others like SlimBean but it was too buggy and the gapps kept failing on me.
Recommend giving this a try.