Uh looks like the merger might not be happening after all! Wow big news. The Sprint / TMOBUS may happen if this falls through.
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Sad news indeed.
wow... this is EXCELLENT news.
what's really saddening to me, though, is that I truly believed that my government would allow for this merger to occur. that says a lot about my faith in those who I've elected to represent my country. oh well, at least (for once), it looks like the gov't will be favoring the people over big business... that's refreshing.
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This is good news for us T-MO users! We don't want AT&T bringing their bad customer service over here and their shoddy rate plans and bad business. If they win, then AT&T users will benefit more, leaching from tmobile's data network. Let att expand by themselves no one wants to be forced into something they didn't pay for. Plus if they join, they'll be too many Iphones clogging the data streams, slowing down the HD video calls, people rarely use.
FYI this does not make the deal completely dead yet, the FCC would still have to rule on it! So this merger still has a chance, just not a good one.
I myself am really hoping this deal goes through!
shogunmark said:
FYI this does not make the deal completely dead yet, the FCC would still have to rule on it! So this merger still has a chance, just not a good one.
I myself am really hoping this deal goes through!
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We'll both hope.
shogunmark said:
FYI this does not make the deal completely dead yet, the FCC would still have to rule on it! So this merger still has a chance, just not a good one.
I myself am really hoping this deal goes through!
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They need to hurry it up and just cancel this already, this will leave only AT&T as the main provider for GSM phones in the US! That's not a good thing, there will be less variety for the consumer and less competition for AT&T....AT&T went down the drain as soon as it brought Cingular back in the day, I would never use them again, I rather go back to Sprint. We'll be stuck with limited data, high rates, high rates, and extremely high taxes and rates. Why can't DTE or whatever realize this isn't good for competition and the consumers?
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We are certainly the minority!
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They need to hurry it up and just cancel this already, this will leave only AT&T as the main provider for GSM phones in the US! That's not a good thing, there will be less variety for the consumer and less competition for AT&T....AT&T went down the drain as soon as it brought Cingular back in the day, I would never use them again, I rather go back to Sprint.
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AT&T never actually bought Cingular. Cingular was part of the AT&T conglomerate all along. The only thing that was done was a name change from Cingular to AT&T. If you go into the APN settings of an AT&T phone, you'll still see the Cingular name.
But Cingular did buy out Cellular One.
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...because it is blatantly anti-competitive and a deal that was struck with no intention of bettering the industry with the consumer in mind.
I guess if you like kissing big businesses' asses and fanning their executives with exotic leaves while feeding them grapes from gold-plated platters this might be the type of merger you'd support, but other than that... really?
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AT&T never actually bought Cingular. Cingular was part of the AT&T conglomerate all along. The only thing that was done was a name change from Cingular to AT&T. If you go into the APN settings of an AT&T phone, you'll still see the Cingular name.
But Cingular did buy out Cellular One.
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But Cingular merged and is now under AT&T, I'm sure they replaced the cingular employees during their take over, I'm sure the same will happen if T-mobile is taken too-even more people could end up w/o jobs. I'm aware if they acquire tmobile they'll expand 4G, and will create LTE stations in various areas, which is a good thing at least. But I don't like the rate plans being used by AT&T at all, to get my current plan renewed under AT&T would actually put me at a loss, and probably others that are on Prepaid/Flex-pay.
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...because it is blatantly anti-competitive and a deal that was struck with no intention of bettering the industry with the consumer in mind.
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I disagree, i am a consumer and it would definitely benefit me! Especially since i dont want to go to t-mo, but i sure do want their network!
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I disagree, i am a consumer and it would definitely benefit me! Especially since i dont want to go to t-mo, but i sure do want their network!
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The network expansion and possible job creation are the only upsides to the acquisition here, but who wants to pay an arm and a leg for their plan? I made a dummy plan to compare rates, and unlimited on AT&T is way beyond 100, compared to the ~75[exc taxes] i've been paying on tmobile. I'm sure Sprint and verizon are cheaper than that too.
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But Cingular merged and is now under AT&T, I'm sure they replaced the cingular employees during their take over, I'm sure the same will happen if T-mobile is taken too-even more people could end up w/o jobs. I'm aware if they acquire tmobile they'll expand 4G, and will create LTE stations in various areas, which is a good thing at least. But I don't like the rate plans being used by AT&T at all, to get my current plan renewed under AT&T would actually put me at a loss, and probably others that are on Prepaid/Flex-pay.
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Cingular didn't merge with itself. Cingular existed as an AT&T division all along. There was no change to Cingular other than the name change. Some time before the name change, Cingular did buy out Cellular One. CO was a completely different company and, no doubt, CO's employees were adjusted.
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I disagree, i am a consumer and it would definitely benefit me! Especially since i dont want to go to t-mo, but i sure do want their network!
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yep, so it benefits you, the AT&T customer, and screws everyone else... including people who have nothing to do with AT&T or T-MO.
guys, it's really simple:
less competition, worse for consumers. it's not rocket science.
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I disagree, i am a consumer and it would definitely benefit me! Especially since i dont want to go to t-mo, but i sure do want their network!
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I wouldn't mind a list of bullet points as to why you think this merger benefits the consumer...
Not you, "the consumer".
AT&T would improve it's network? They had an opportunity to do that for $3.8 mil once before and didn't jump at the chance... they didn't care about YOU enough to build up the network they're already sitting on. The writing is on the wall here and even lowly simpletons can make out exactly what would happen... Rate plans = up (for both parties customers), Network = the same with the addition of "some" LTE stations which you may or may not be able to utilize fully and customer service would diminish. If you want the merger simply to utilize Tmobiles network, then go ahead and pay your ETF and jump ship... we don't have unlimited data anymore (in anticipation for this merger, gaurunteed) and the rates have slowly risen up and customer loyalty is already starting to fall.
"We'll add 5000 domestic jobs"....
yea, it's called slapping your ATT signs on existing T-Mobile call centers... lol.
The FCC would be amazing if they get behind this block and it all falls through. At least at that point Tmobile could die a slow death and THEN at&t can pick up the pieces, assuming Sprint doesn't come up with a miracle.
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yep, so it benefits you, the AT&T customer, and screws everyone else... including people who have nothing to do with AT&T or T-MO.
guys, it's really simple:
less competition, worse for consumers. it's not rocket science.
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But...but...they have the iPhone
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yep, so it benefits you, the AT&T customer, and screws everyone else... including people who have nothing to do with AT&T or T-MO.
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Believe it or not, i am not the only one, sure it benefits AT&T customers, but there are also T-MO people that were looking forward to it as well. So it doesnt screw everyone else!
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Cingular didn't merge with itself. Cingular existed as an AT&T division all along. There was no change to Cingular other than the name change. Some time before the name change, Cingular did buy out Cellular One. CO was a completely different company and, no doubt, CO's employees were adjusted.
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Okay, so Cingular bought AT&T, and CO, then AT&T replaced Cingular name-wise later on?
http://news.consumerreports.org/ele...umer-reports-cell-phone-survey-att-worst.html
Look at that from last year, I've heard nothing but bad stories of the support from at&t, I don't want to experience it myself.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/171910/tmobile_may_buy_sprint_to_create_market_giant_report_says.html
I dont know the details... It looks like it is still in the planing stages...
I hope to god not, Sprint is one of the worst companies I ever had to deal with, especially with their billing practices. I been a T-Mo customer since 2002, Ill be unlocking my phones and switching to AT&T then.
sprint has been working very hard to clean up their crappy customer service. I had good service with them the last time I had an issue.
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I hope to god not, Sprint is one of the worst companies I ever had to deal with, especially with their billing practices. I been a T-Mo customer since 2002, Ill be unlocking my phones and switching to AT&T then.
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Then buh-bye in advance then.
I would think this to be a bit unlikely seeing that they run vastly different networks...
phatmanxxl said:
I hope to god not, Sprint is one of the worst companies I ever had to deal with, especially with their billing practices. I been a T-Mo customer since 2002, Ill be unlocking my phones and switching to AT&T then.
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dude you read my mind, OMG that's scary. If Tmobile sticks with GSM then I'll stay with them, if they go the other route, I'll switch to AT&T forsho and just buy unlocked phones. I've always used imported unlocked phones anyways, the MT3G is only the second Tmobile branded phone that I've had after the samsung E715.
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I would think this to be a bit unlikely seeing that they run vastly different networks...
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If Tmobile did in fact make a bid on Spint then wouldn't you think they already have a plan to merge the two despite different networks?
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I would think this to be a bit unlikely seeing that they run vastly different networks...
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*warning off topic*...I just graduated from texas tech and moved the hell out of god's asshole aka 'lubbock'...i always feel sorry for people stuck there. On the other hand it was so boring i started biding my time by rooting my g1, instant time killer and now im an androider for life
cant wait to get an android phone!!
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*warning off topic*...I just graduated from texas tech and moved the hell out of god's asshole aka 'lubbock'...i always feel sorry for people stuck there. On the other hand it was so boring i started biding my time by rooting my g1, instant time killer and now im an androider for life
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ROFL. What major did you graduate as?
I only live in lubbock. I go to yale, which is a hop, skip and jump from NYC.
Lubbock did suck growing up though, considering I moved from NY. Absolutely nothing to do... Best part is the airport, since you're leaving.
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The merger would be more difficult since it would mean migrating users from CDMA to GSM Or vice versa. They are very different networks, meaning the merged company would have to maintain both networks (at great cost) for many years in order to complete the migration of all customers.
Additionally, the cost of rebranding existing locations of one store and fixing redundancies in the company would probably draw on for many years.
Either Sprint or T-Mobile better have DEEP pockets.
Will it be profitable in the long term: yes, but it will have huge upfront costs.
Are you guys for real????? I would only it hate it if T-Mobile losses its grip to Sprint if it is the other way then I think Sprint customers ought to be happy for TMO has the best CS. I have been with them since 1999!!!! just because of the customer service!!!
Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
Doesn't matter to you or me. We've got one of 2 current gen standard bearers (other being the Milestone/Droid) and ours doesn't have to go through a carrier to get OS updates.
All the apps will be built with us in mind, so fewer bugs and possibly more apps. We're basically Android Dev Phone 3. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a loss for Sprint customers only, and the size of that loss is debatable.
Sucks to be a sprint customer. Will the EVO be better than the Nexus One? On paper, yes.. however that has yet to be seen. Most (or some) of us thought the N1 would be overshadowed by the Droid Incredible but that wasn't the case at all.
EVO vs Nexus One .... coming soon.
I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Good question. If it was Google, I think they bailed just before the vindication of the N1. I am reading about perceived "issues" with the Incredible and Desire similar to those on the N1 regarding 3g coverage. The N1 is a damn fine phone, and Verizon and Sprint users are missing out on an absolute gem with a better forward path than anything else in the hardware queue.
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Its DEF Sprint's and Verizon's fault the phone was cancelled. Google could easily put in a different radio (like they did with the ATT version) but Sprint and Verizon can just refuse to activate the phone on their network like they did. ATT and TMo didn't have a choice since they use sim cards. Sprint and Verizon are evil companies that force their customers into more expensive options instead of giving them choices
Same reason the verizon deal fell through. both spring and verizon are very controlled networks. Googles wants to essentially turn the cell phone system into an europe-esque system where phones and service are seperate entities.
Each nexus phone has to be programs for verizon or sprint. They probably couldn't come to terms with an appropriate price and management. They'd have to have the phones programmed before being shipped out, one more step and one more cost.
Then you have the headaches of pushing out updates. We saw how long it took Droid to get the 2.1 update. If you want to update a sprint android phone you have to take it to a retail store to do it!
thats a damn shame
sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
down with verizon and sprint they suck. Everytime I saw a sprint phone on that TV show, heroes I thought.... ugh, fags
timothydonohue said:
sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales.
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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well, i don't want to get too far off topic, because this is all just speculation. however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
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timothydonohue said:
neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
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I partially agree with the OP here, it would be nice to have this across all carriers, but in all honesty, CDMA is just not something that is well supported outside the US. Having GSM is key since it is more the worldwide standard. I don't think not having CDMA is going to really hurt things for this device.
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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That makes no sense at all. Even if they didn't subsidize the phone, like AT&T, someone could buy the N1 100% with their own money, and then throw their money at Verizon/Sprint for the voice and data plans. All I could see is a net PLUS of subscribers on their networks. Now if someone reallly wants an N1, they'd be thinking T-Mobile / AT&T; a net LOSS of subscribers for Verizon/Sprint.
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however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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Except HTC probably already had the CDMA N1, or was FAR into the development of it. It saves hassle for everyone except HTC, who wasted a lot of time and effort.
halorin said:
The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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A camera with no flash. 'nuff said.
Verizon and Sprint have a much much more closed network than Att or T-mobile. They wan't entire control of what goes on the network.
I don't think anyone would care because sprint customers would probably be waiting for EVO 4g..
personally, i really liked sprint. i had a heck of a plan with them, i got a lot of free upgrades without contract, and i always had a signal, no matter where i went. i did sometimes have to roam, but i had free roaming, so no big whoop.
i only switched over to tmo for the N1
At&t sent me a message that i HAVE to upgrade to their 2.2 is this actually important?
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AriaUSer_ said:
At&t sent me a message that i HAVE to upgrade to their 2.2 is this actually important?
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Perhaps the message you received today is different from the one I got. The one I got didn't say I had to flash the update, it just implied as much by emphasizing what an "important" update this is. In any event, it's all a load of crap. The update is not required (it's your device; no one can make you flash a ROM that you don't want to install), and be advised that if you do flash it you won't be able to root. In fact, you'll lose root if you have it and you won't be able to get it back. AT&T can bite me.
This is what the txt message said:
AT&T Free Msg: An important software update is available for your HTC Aria. To update to Android 2.2, connect to http://www.htc.com/us/support/aria-att/downloads/ and follow the instructions.
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It is as Buck said, it is an optional suggestion.
Ok thanks guys I guess mines different they also said I need to install software to my phone
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I got one this afternoon.
I hate at and t
Im pretty sure we all got that same message. You dont HAVE to upgrade (or downgrade for those of us on 2.3 already ). Just delete the message and go on with your lives as usual.
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Ok thanks guys I guess mines different they also said I need to install software to my phone
AT&T Free Msg: An important software update is available for your HTC Aria. To update to Android 2.2, connect to http://www.htc.com/us/support/aria-att/downloads/ and follow the instructions.
This is what I received. In any event, disregard it.
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yah, i got the same message too. DELETE
told my friends also to disregard. Damn ATT trying to take control
I looked at the message as I was heading into the bank, laughed because I was already on 2.2 (Liberated FR008) and deleted the message.
Coming to find out, it was ironic that I received the message the same day AT&T started clamping down on iPhone users for tethering, since I had to use the hotspot function on an unlimited data plan the weekend before due to a fried cable modem in the house.
Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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Yeah, like everyone has said don't be fooled into this update.
A friend of mine went to att and bought an android, but they helpfully updated the device before giving it to him. He promptly asked for a virgin device and they did so.
They will sell you what you want... well mostly. Heh
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
So, hypothetically, say I'm an idiot
and updated with ATT before reading this forum post about how I won't be able to root/mod. Any estimates on how long it will take before 2.2 is rooted for the Aria? I now realize a few of the very simple things HTC/ATT haven't changed that would have helped a lot in simple day to day stuff, like light sensor control (why do those damn buttons at the bottom have to be so bright at night), and removing ATT bloatware.
Amen 2 that simplemobile is the bomb 60$ unlimited an 4g ooh nice fucc tmo an at&t
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Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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I never understood the frustration or hate over any provider honestly.
AT&T/HTC finally coming around with their 2.2, which is great for folks who don't want to do what a lot of us do to the phone.
For the rest of us, delete/ignore the message. Nobody is forcing you to take 2.2. Situation resolved.
ATT isn't the bane of wireless communications. Fact is, no single provider out there is the end-all be-all godsend for everyone, because it's a volatile industry and everyone's wants/perceptions/experiences are different.
Many smaller networks piggyback/lease frequency/bands/bandwidth from the same towers we're all on. As such you're not going to see hellish lag or vastly deposed quality. Their network priority levels -might- change a bit, but they're not taking over the bandwidth. They were already on the same highway with us, just in a different lane.
If it's like any buyout, the inducted customers will be offered a package to stick with their grandfathered plan (if it has benefits over the company's standard plans), and will probably also keep the same limitations as before.
Example, if TMO had no service or roaming service in City A but ATT has service there, they won't get the service because of the grandfathered plan unless they go with a full ATT plan. Even though the whole time the only difference was a network flag somewhere saying that this person's account isn't authorized to use the tower in that city.
That's really what a lot of it boils down to most of the time.
SimpleMobile might work for someone, VZN might work for another.. etc.
Customer Service is always going to vary no matter what, that's based on expectations/experience. If you like the outcome you love the service, if not they suck. So take that out of the equation. Most of the big boys have similar plans right now, and have been playing the technology game.
Until someone decides to suddenly get fruity with plan prices or has some epic technology gamepiece to play.. it's going to remain mostly the same across the board.
We're all simply dollars and cents. We're a number in a database which is then multiplied by how much they pull from us annually, so they can forecast their own income. We pissed someone off, boo hoo, we have a few million other customers.
I'm not PRO ATT either. I help friends find what works for them. I give them advice based on what their needs/wants are. I used to be Bell South, then it went Cingular, now it's AT&T--and I've kept my original plan from day one because it's better than what any other provider has right now. Last I checked, 2 years ago, I'm one of two people in the entire ATT network with that particular plan. It works for me.
Good hunting to everyone out there, and enjoy the technoloigy.
I have been a long term customer of att and have for the most part been happy. However, it is frustrating that they charge for every feature versus other carriers who give it for free or cheaper.
I think for the most part there are good reasons why people bash the company. Maybe they should switch carriers if it bothers them enough, I'm not sure. However, my minor compliants do not warrant a switch.
Btw, a phone is now more than a voice communication device and to put artificial restrictions in software in my mind is absurd.
I'm happy for you that you have a great plan, but as you know the curent plans are poor in comparison. People are allowed to complain. Let them.
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
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Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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Doesn't this mean we get better signal ?
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Doesn't this mean we get better signal ?
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No. They use/share/pay for the same towers.
actually, as a tmobile customer you might have more access or something but, honestly, I really dont know..lol
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I have been a long term customer of att and have for the most part been happy. However, it is frustrating that they charge for every feature versus other carriers who give it for free or cheaper.
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I haven't compared their plans since summer, and at that point I'd compared their plans with VZN and Sprint, for someone else. At that time all 3 companies had the exact same plan offerings down to the feature and penny. Only difference was how each one billed data.
For this person, data wasn't an issue anyhow because they wanted a "regular" phone. So it came down to what phone they wanted, and they went VZN because ATT's regular phone selection blows whale chunks.
We didn't look at other smaller or competing providers because they didn't offer the same overall coverage as the big 3 did.
So what I'm saying is, I dunno what's out there now, but it seems the big 3 have similar plans as each other every time I look. Smaller competitors may have better options/plans/all-inclusive-stuff but again, you have to make sure it works for you.
And bear in mind one reason TMO scuttled the ship is because they were losing income fast.
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I think for the most part there are good reasons why people bash the company. Maybe they should switch carriers if it bothers them enough, I'm not sure. However, my minor compliants do not warrant a switch.
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Totally agree! "your mileage may vary", everyone's experience will be different. SprintPCS pissed me off years ago, one reason I was glad to drop them. They were undergoing heavy technical issues with their towers in our area, but because of how they had the phone programmed, even though it could roam digitally it didn't--they set it up to use their service only if we were near their signal.
Couldn't even dial 911 at one point, and I showed this to the techs. They tried with their phones.. same thing. The white-washed faces and lack of response said it all.
Prior to their working on the towers I dropped calls more frequently than I took steps walking. One time when I dropped my phone, the antenna broke off and part of the PCB was actually damaged--and it got a better signal.
TheFurnace said:
Btw, a phone is now more than a voice communication device and to put artificial restrictions in software in my mind is absurd.
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Totally agree! They've got their reasons though. They're there to stay in business, we're here to make use of their service. It's a matter of keeping each-other happy.
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I'm happy for you that you have a great plan, but as you know the curent plans are poor in comparison. People are allowed to complain. Let them.
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I didn't mean to come off as a jerk and hope nobody took it as such. I'm a huge supporter of getting your complaints out there and letting people know how your experience went.
I just hate it when I see endless complaints and it seems like none of it is fruitful. If you complain, that's good! Just try and make it count. Do more than complain, explain your situation so others can make informed decisions about which carrier to go to. Things like "XYZ Carrier SUCKS they should burn to the ground!" doesn't help anyone.
Not saying anyone here has done that! I just saw a stream of "random hate for various reasons" starting to come out, like I do everywhere, and wanted to encourage folks to try and make it count. And to understand how things operate a little bit better.
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I haven't compared their plans since summer, and at that point I'd compared their plans with VZN and Sprint, for someone else. At that time all 3 companies had the exact same plan offerings down to the feature and penny. Only difference was how each one billed data.
For this person, data wasn't an issue anyhow because they wanted a "regular" phone. So it came down to what phone they wanted, and they went VZN because ATT's regular phone selection blows whale chunks.
We didn't look at other smaller or competing providers because they didn't offer the same overall coverage as the big 3 did.
So what I'm saying is, I dunno what's out there now, but it seems the big 3 have similar plans as each other every time I look. Smaller competitors may have better options/plans/all-inclusive-stuff but again, you have to make sure it works for you.
And bear in mind one reason TMO scuttled the ship is because they were losing income fast.
Totally agree! "your mileage may vary", everyone's experience will be different. SprintPCS pissed me off years ago, one reason I was glad to drop them. They were undergoing heavy technical issues with their towers in our area, but because of how they had the phone programmed, even though it could roam digitally it didn't--they set it up to use their service only if we were near their signal.
Couldn't even dial 911 at one point, and I showed this to the techs. They tried with their phones.. same thing. The white-washed faces and lack of response said it all.
Prior to their working on the towers I dropped calls more frequently than I took steps walking. One time when I dropped my phone, the antenna broke off and part of the PCB was actually damaged--and it got a better signal.
Totally agree! They've got their reasons though. They're there to stay in business, we're here to make use of their service. It's a matter of keeping each-other happy.
I didn't mean to come off as a jerk and hope nobody took it as such. I'm a huge supporter of getting your complaints out there and letting people know how your experience went.
I just hate it when I see endless complaints and it seems like none of it is fruitful. If you complain, that's good! Just try and make it count. Do more than complain, explain your situation so others can make informed decisions about which carrier to go to. Things like "XYZ Carrier SUCKS they should burn to the ground!" doesn't help anyone.
Not saying anyone here has done that! I just saw a stream of "random hate for various reasons" starting to come out, like I do everywhere, and wanted to encourage folks to try and make it count. And to understand how things operate a little bit better.
Happy hacking everyone
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Ah, then we definitely agree. Thanks for clarifying your point. I understand completely. Cheers!
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
Has anyone been caught / harassed by atnt for tethering or portable hotspot? I very rarely use these but have recently heard of them cracking down.
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If you love TMo and want to keep it away from the Death Star, SIGN!!!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/stop-t-mobile-from-being-bought-by-att/
nice idea...but seriously do these things even get anywhere?
presence06 said:
nice idea...but seriously do these things even get anywhere?
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It's called slacktivism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism
And no, it doesn't.
Waste of TIME! I personally think it would be a good thing. Bigger/Biggest network to start, not like TMO employees would go anywhere, they'd still be there except working for AT&T, might teach AT&T CSR's a thing or two. Just my opinion though, and personally I don't that petition will amount to anything other than wishful thinking. I could/may be wrong but I don't think so.
Doesn't hurt
personally, I'm so mad about this I don't want to have a phone in 12 months if att/sprint/vw are the only options. Meh, take it as you will--just re-posting jIC.
If you want a petition that actually stands a tiny chance of going somewhere, try to get Google to buy T-Mobile. AT&T doesn't give a **** what some developers on an Android forum think. Google does, since this group of people helps expand their OS.
39 million is at stake here. Think about that.
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It's better wrote to congress, you know.
I signed it. I guess I'm an optimist, but I feel like anything I can try to prevent the merger should be done. You never truly know if it will work or not, and maybe the FCC and DOJ will actually listen to the people. But obviously my opinion differs from pretty much everybody else on XDA.
I thought it was 39 billion.
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39 million is at stake here. Think about that.
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thats Billion.....................
found the following and it might be helpful (maybe):
http://www.cell-phone-towers.com/will-the-att-merger-with-tmobile-help-consumers.html
AT&T doesn't care about customers. Sure it will be nice to claim most wireless customers in the US, but the real reason they're buying T-Mobile is for wireless spectrum. 39B USD is a nice deal for added wireless spectrum and the added customers is a nice bonus.
Write/call your congressional representative or the FCC. It'll mean more than signing an internet petition.
would there be a way to actually get out of contract BEFORE the merger starts without paying ETF because of this move?
wrote my congressmen about this I wonder if I will get any kind of response from them about it.
i like the idea...
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wrote my congressmen about this I wonder if I will get any kind of response from them about it.
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http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=AT&T+Inc&year=2010
AT&T is just a little behind Verizon in contributions.
The list of recipients for their donations is also quite long.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?cycle=2010&id=D000000076
And match up nicely with the House committee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_Energy_and_Commerce
signed! screw at&t!
Million. Haha. Yeah, billion! No voice is that loud.
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/shrugs/
If AT&T/T-Mo doesn't merge Verizon will have almost a monopoly on LTE becuase they gobbled up so much spectrum and will have such big coverage.
Sprint pretty much sacked themselves with the WiMax bull****. That was a bad move and it didn't really benefit them in the long-run, IMO, since GSM networks were able to upgrade to HSPA+ so quickly and cheaply (software upgrade) and rival their WiMax speeds (which is expensive to build out, not to mention those WiMax phones have terribad battery life when using 4G).
Sprint is complaining. Verizon doesn't care.
Do I care? No. I need at least 3G where I live and no carrier has it here yet, except AT&T. They're the only ones around here who are building their network out in rural areas. T-Mobile's network is too small. It's terribad for people who travel, too.
I hope this happens sooner than later. AT&T has better phones as well. And I've never had any CS issues with them...
Some possible good news, hopefully, http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile’s-2011-roadmap-includes-plenty-android
Some bad, predicted news...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-16/sprint-s-most-likely-buyer-may-be-centurylink.html
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list
the case numbers like in the middle somewhere, you'll see AT&T
Help me and other users keep prices down and carrier amounts to 4! NOT 3!
Cmon guys, lets all do each other a favor and keep Sprint in business by reporting our thoughts. Remember!!!!!The responses you type, if you choose to respond, ARE public. If you want the merger to go through, and you are on Sprint, I would be curious as to why.
I don't know about everyone else but if this deal goes through, it can have negative effects for us, Sprint users, simply because we would now become the little guy and would either need to raise prices or merge with Big Red.
To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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EXACTLY! I like prices and companies the way they are no need to downsize and raise prices on consumer side...
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
Lmao right? ^^^
Anyways Idk if is bad or right, I mean if Verizon ain't tripping then why would sprint trip? If anyone in T-Mobile is there cause of the price then they probably go with sprint anyways
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Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Pretty much never.
This deal is going through you people need to get over it. Just watch.
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This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
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Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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They don't, this is just pretend.
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NewZJ said:
This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
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Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Good Question
dirkyd3rk said:
Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
iitreatedii said:
which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
Also 2 big companies left. offering Similar speeds and the SAME 4G technology will have to fight each other for new subsribers and will have to offer different and better services or fight back with pricings. The prices could go up or they could enter into a price war. No matter what happens there will be mergers or majority stock buyings simple as that.
I'm saying what i think will/could happen. Do you think customers would be able to stop things. Ya right. We are considered expendable.
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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You are right this is why i think verizon will invest in a majority share of Sprint/nextel for the simple reason of competeing. In doing so if tmo and sprint where bought out or taken over they will have to give up or sell parts of the network of spectrum in which another company will take over the number 3 and 4 spot although smaller. Either way Sprint will be affected. Sprint won't live if Tmo and att merge. They wont be able to compete. It is hard for them even now. That is why i think they will get bought in some method.
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
iitreatedii said:
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like a bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy situation if you catch my drift. We have A or Z, no in between
i don't think the deal will go through myself BUT **** if verizon buys sprint at least ill have good service for a change.