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I am looking at rooting my new G1. But I have a question. What are the benifits of going to a custom rom. Is the batery life better? What exactly do you gain?

jshealton said:
I am looking at rooting my new G1. But I have a question. What are the benifits of going to a custom rom. Is the batery life better? What exactly do you gain?
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Battery life can be better, depending on the ROM and any underclocking/overclocking you may do. The biggest benefit to rooting is the ability to install and run apps that you wouldn't otherwise. For me, that's things like wireless tethering. You can also install your apps to the SD card, allowing you to install as many apps as you'd like (the G1's memory is pretty limited without this ability.)

also, SUPERUSER, a very good thing for customization and running roms, themes, and like Shrivel said, applications. also :
multitouch
sense UI
roms
faster speed (depends on what you use)
etc etc
its cool

It's really no different than anything else, we like to tweak on our phones and make them different. If you are a person that likes to tinker and can accept that some things just might not work 100%, you will love modding. If you are the iPhone type that want something that works all the time and can accept limitations, dont waste your time rooting. It really comes down to what you want and expect out of your phone.

gospeed.racer said:
It's really no different than anything else, we like to tweak on our phones and make them different. If you are a person that likes to tinker and can accept that some things just might not work 100%, you will love modding. If you are the iPhone type that want something that works all the time and can accept limitations, dont waste your time rooting. It really comes down to what you want and expect out of your phone.
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Ok, I am looking for a ROM that gives me the best batery life. The G1 batery is just plain bad. I also what to uninstall the stock messaging app and replace it with the Handcent messaging app. Can I get rid of stock apps on a stock rom or do I have to root.
I am not all that scared of rooting. Upgraded my old dash to a 3VO rom for the threaded texting. Thanks for your help.

jshealton said:
I am looking at rooting my new G1. But I have a question. What are the benifits of going to a custom rom. Is the batery life better? What exactly do you gain?
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I think the best part is that you get to BRICK YOUR COOL NEW PHONE and then we all get read your cool new thread posted on the android development forum tittled "I Need help I think I brick my phone" then a mod delets your thread and THEN! I get to laough out loud

tuppaacc said:
I think the best part is that you get to BRICK YOUR COOL NEW PHONE and then we all get read your cool new thread posted on the android development forum tittled "I Need help I think I brick my phone" then a mod delets your thread and THEN! I get to laough out loud
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Oh totally. that's the BEST part lol
but naw. It's really for the customization and added freedom. New bootloaders, ROMs (which there is a wide variety of them, and they can get very fast) and the ability to tether is a popular reason as well.
I'm glad I rooted mine. For one, it keeps me from getting bored when tinkering with new ROMs and such lol, but it really adds a whole new realm of development and experimentation that you can experience.
FYI, follow steps precisely, lest you risk bricking your phone. The wiki will train you young padawan.
Also, when in doubt, search the forums. Ya never know how great an answer you'll find for most things.

jshealton said:
I also what to uninstall the stock messaging app and replace it with the Handcent messaging app. Can I get rid of stock apps on a stock rom or do I have to root.
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You can remove apps with root, but all you have to do is set up the notification in handcent and turn off all the notifications in the native messaging app. If you pull the messing app off
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the phone i dont think hancent will work either. It also might make your ROM unstable.
G1 stock battery sucks, if it bothers you that much either underclock or upgrade the battery.

You can delete the stock messaging application and rename the replacement then drop it into the /system/ side of things and have it work fine. But that was before advanced launcher so I didn't bother with that any more.
There is really no risk as long as you follow directions. Start out with emothers rom as it is closest to stock, but allows upgrading to add more advanced features very easily. I hear it's best for newcomers. Then you can experiment with other things like Sense, 2.1, then switch back to a decent 1.6 rom.
You can always go back to the stock t-mobile rom, not root and let the OTA updates hit your phone if you decided to go back.

Moved from Windows to Android - Missing Clean ROM upgrades

I have been a user of Windows for long lomg time and have loved it when I had the liberty to flash clean cooked ROMS onto my device. Rarely, I stuck to Stock ROM's or over bloated ones no matter how stable!
Will we ever see the light of day when the streak will get to see some cooked ROM's which are not bloated with added apps?
I got my Streak bout a fortnight ago - so far tested and mostly fixed on downloaded apps - but really pissed as I still have crap on my streak which I do not use - why do we need to live with this?
Am now looking to dump the 2.1 - but sceptical as I nee many bricks flying around for units purchased online direct from Dell....
I really hope to see some cook - take the initiative and start cooking some clean workable ROM's

I am sure it will not be long before you have your wish, Paul over at Modaco is the main Cook at the moment nip over he has a custom ROM

devdarshan said:
I have been a user of Windows for long lomg time and have loved it when I had the liberty to flash clean cooked ROMS onto my device. Rarely, I stuck to Stock ROM's or over bloated ones no matter how stable!
Will we ever see the light of day when the streak will get to see some cooked ROM's which are not bloated with added apps?
I got my Streak bout a fortnight ago - so far tested and mostly fixed on downloaded apps - but really pissed as I still have crap on my streak which I do not use - why do we need to live with this?
Am now looking to dump the 2.1 - but sceptical as I nee many bricks flying around for units purchased online direct from Dell....
I really hope to see some cook - take the initiative and start cooking some clean workable ROM's
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I have no idea what you're talking about. What 'bloated' ROMs?
Why don't you just open the update.zip, remove all the crap you don't need, resign it, done. Or, just uninstall the apps you don't want? It's not exactly hard to do.
You also sound incredibly ungrateful, these devs put A LOT of hard work into these ROMs and you just complain about a few apps they've included? If you don't like it, why don't YOU start making ROMs. This thread is essentially just pure laziness on your part.
Wow. "why do we need to live with this?" It's not essential to life, It's a ROM. grow up.

Meltus said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. What 'bloated' ROMs?
Why don't you just open the update.zip, remove all the crap you don't need, resign it, done. Or, just uninstall the apps you don't want? It's not exactly hard to do.
You also sound incredibly ungrateful, these devs put A LOT of hard work into these ROMs and you just complain about a few apps they've included? If you don't like it, why don't YOU start making ROMs. This thread is essentially just pure laziness on your part.
Wow. "why do we need to live with this?" It's not essential to life, It's a ROM. grow up.
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Chill out Meltus.
Am not sitting here to start another debate on disrespecting Chef's - never had that intention anyway if you had read my post with a clear mind! - I have been a user of custom cooked ROM's since the days of XDA IIs and never had a reply of such.
My title read - 'Moved from windows' - which implied that I am new to Android and still experimenting - infact I am still on my stock ROM on my dell online purchased unit and was only lookign for a way to uninstall Touchdown etc to save on space in memory.
Thanks for the tip on changing update.zip - now I have a solution which I can look into!
I said we dont need to live with this and it was not pointed to any Chef - it was pointed to Dell - who have installed all crap on the unit (which I am trying to remove) and being in a forum - you will have to appreciate - we all have the right to ask questions - some may be good and some naive!
So mine was naive - and thanks for your answers.

devdarshan said:
I said we dont need to live with this and it was not pointed to any Chef - it was pointed to Dell - who have installed all crap on the unit (which I am trying to remove)
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Ah, I apologise, I thought you were referring to ROM developers, sorry
Anyway, if you want to open the zip, remove stuff, and then sign it again, you'll need the signing tool - http://androidforums.com/developer-101/8665-how-signing-roms.html
Sorry again, i guess i just completely mis-read your post ><

Cool! am already opening up and playing around! if I have a brick in my hands - I'll jump out of the 3rd floor window and you'll have to carry me to the hospital
ps: I weigh 120Kgs!!!!!

devdarshan said:
Cool! am already opening up and playing around! if I have a brick in my hands - I'll jump out of the 3rd floor window and you'll have to carry me to the hospital
ps: I weigh 120Kgs!!!!!
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Haha, i think it's almost impossible to brick the streak at the moment, you can always just fastboot flash the stock recovery image then flash the stock update.pkg from Dell!
I'm a weak f***er so that's out of the question

I too have come from WM and have been using it since it came out in '98. One thing I miss is the ability to view and tweak the registry. Like on the HD2 just change
'Go to HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\P2\ EncodeFormat' to '2147483647' and you have loads of additional video recording formats!

You can also remove ROM apps by using Root Explorer (need rooted phone obviously) and removing the offending /apk files from /system/apps and then clearing the Dalvik-cache and rebooting.
I just flashed the 2.1 ROM on my AT&T/US Streak and got rid of Touchdown and Amazon MP3. No more icons I don't use, nor widgets to scroll through.
here's a good guide to it:
http://www.market4android.com/how-to-remove-stock-android-apps.php
Good luck.

Be careful about removing ROM apps, ive done this a few times and then i got endless process error....eeeek :S

vinokirk said:
Be careful about removing ROM apps, ive done this a few times and then i got endless process error....eeeek :S
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Good to know. I was wondering if it was so easy, why would everyone care about what apps are installed if you can just zap em if you don't want them. Well thankfully I developed no ill effects from my deletions, and I removed those I really didn't want.
I'm not enough of a linux/Android gear head to know better. I'm a pretty good Windows gear head, but never knew Linux well which is too bad with all the cool Androids coming along in the handheld space. Oh well, learning new tricks is good too i suppose...
thanks

Hello!

Hello everyone, I just recently got an HTC Aria and it is my first Android phone. A friend recommended I come here and see how I can make my Aria "better" so what do you guys recommend.
I've read a lot of the posts on here and it seems that I should root my phone, but as I stated previously I'm really new to all this so can you guys help me out and give me some tips.
Thanks!

vicmora5 said:
Hello everyone, I just recently got an HTC Aria and it is my first Android phone. A friend recommended I come here and see how I can make my Aria "better" so what do you guys recommend.
I've read a lot of the posts on here and it seems that I should root my phone, but as I stated previously I'm really new to all this so can you guys help me out and give me some tips.
Thanks!
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Tips:
1. Read, study and reread, especially the STICKY threads that usually contain Q&A information for new users.
2. Forum Search and Google will also be your friend.
3. If you do have questions, posting in this "General" section is the best place to start.

vicmora5 said:
Hello everyone, I just recently got an HTC Aria and it is my first Android phone. A friend recommended I come here and see how I can make my Aria "better" so what do you guys recommend.
I've read a lot of the posts on here and it seems that I should root my phone, but as I stated previously I'm really new to all this so can you guys help me out and give me some tips.
Thanks!
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What it says above is a great way to start. I just got an Aria too and for me the first thing I wanted to do was to get rid of the AT&T crapware off the phone. After rooting, which is super easy compared to how it was a few years back, then you can just search for what you want to do. I am new to Android but have been on this forum for years and it's the best place for anything you want to do to your phone to make it "better" Now I'm trying to add 3rd party apps that are not in the market, this gets a bit involved, but the info is here. I have installed different ROM's on other phones before, but don't really care to do that with the Aria yet, but it is definitely an easy way to get the Aria upgraded to Android 2.2 and get rid of the crapware and AT&T's limitations that they put on their phones at the same time.
Everyone here is super helpful as long as you read first and ask questions later. Cheers!

ckuke4 said:
What it says above is a great way to start. I just got an Aria too and for me the first thing I wanted to do was to get rid of the AT&T crapware off the phone. After rooting, which is super easy compared to how it was a few years back, then you can just search for what you want to do. I am new to Android but have been on this forum for years and it's the best place for anything you want to do to your phone to make it "better" Now I'm trying to add 3rd party apps that are not in the market, this gets a bit involved, but the info is here. I have installed different ROM's on other phones before, but don't really care to do that with the Aria yet, but it is definitely an easy way to get the Aria upgraded to Android 2.2 and get rid of the crapware and AT&T's limitations that they put on their phones at the same time.
Everyone here is super helpful as long as you read first and ask questions later. Cheers!
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Thanks! I'm a total noob with everything though, I get really confused with this stuff. So far I think I've seen two different methods for rooting the Aria can you guys tell me which is the best one? So far all I've done with my Aria is get swype on it :3
Here's the two different ways I've seen,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710677&highlight=Root+htc+aria
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737&highlight=Root+htc+aria
There may be more I'm not sure, but which one is the better guide? Or are both basically the same.

vicmora5 said:
Thanks! I'm a total noob with everything though, I get really confused with this stuff. So far I think I've seen two different methods for rooting the Aria can you guys tell me which is the best one? So far all I've done with my Aria is get swype on it :3
Here's the two different ways I've seen,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710677&highlight=Root+htc+aria
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737&highlight=Root+htc+aria
There may be more I'm not sure, but which one is the better guide? Or are both basically the same.
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IMO the second one has more concise instructions for noob. They both document using the Unrevoked 3.2 tool which makes rooting the Aria pretty painless.

tpbklake said:
IMO the second one has more concise instructions for noob. They both document using the Unrevoked 3.2 tool which makes rooting the Aria pretty painless.
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Ok thanks, is there anything I should do before beginning the rooting process?
Also what comes after the root 3:

vicmora5 said:
Ok thanks, is there anything I should do before beginning the rooting process?
Also what comes after the root 3:
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Install HTC Sync so that the usb drivers get installed.
After you get rooted, I suggest you reboot into ClockworkMod Recovery mode and do a 'nandroid' backup. Do a search and you'll find more info about how to do that.

tpbklake said:
Install HTC Sync so that the usb drivers get installed.
After you get rooted, I suggest you reboot into ClockworkMod Recovery mode and do a 'nandroid' backup. Do a search and you'll find more info about how to do that.
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Ok I did the nandroid backup, now what?
Just search for a ROM?
Which is the best one

vicmora5 said:
Ok I did the nandroid backup, now what?
Just search for a ROM?
Which is the best one
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That's purely opinion. The good news is we only have a few to choose from, but they are very good roms. If you like the stock look/feel if the aria then one of the two liberated roms would be a good choice. One is based on android 2.1 with sense ui (came stock on the aria) and the other is based on android 2.2 with sense ui. Then theres cm6.1, which is based on android 2.2 but without the sense ui. All are good choices and very well developed. Try em all and see what you like. Ask those roms receive very good user support.
I personally started on liberated (i was hesitant to give up sense), but I eventually tried cm6 and once I adjusted I've never looked back.

vicmora5 said:
Ok I did the nandroid backup, now what?
Just search for a ROM?
Which is the best one
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I too agree with the post before mine, that it's all a matter of opinion. If you want mine, since you call yourself such a noob, I'd try one of the liberated rom's that have sense ui which is what you're used to. Then try cm6.1 at a later time once you're comfortable with your skills, it's very customizable and as mentioned before, well developed, with a large helpful community. Good luck. Btw, rom's are in the Development section.

CallMeAria said:
That's purely opinion. The good news is we only have a few to choose from, but they are very good roms. If you like the stock look/feel if the aria then one of the two liberated roms would be a good choice. One is based on android 2.1 with sense ui (came stock on the aria) and the other is based on android 2.2 with sense ui. Then theres cm6.1, which is based on android 2.2 but without the sense ui. All are good choices and very well developed. Try em all and see what you like. Ask those roms receive very good user support.
I personally started on liberated (i was hesitant to give up sense), but I eventually tried cm6 and once I adjusted I've never looked back.
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I'm having troubles with both of them, not installing or running them or anything like that , but problems with my network. The liberated constantly drops the signal and the cm6.1 doesnt allow me to send or receive picture messages, do you know if theres a way to get back to just the default rom the aria came with. Maybe I'll just root then and not install any other ROMS

vicmora5 said:
I'm having troubles with both of them, not installing or running them or anything like that , but problems with my network. The liberated constantly drops the signal and the cm6.1 doesnt allow me to send or receive picture messages, do you know if theres a way to get back to just the default rom the aria came with. Maybe I'll just root then and not install any other ROMS
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Htc website had the stock aria rom. As far as the picture messages go remember that you have to have your data turned on to send or receive pic messages. But you should definitely be able to do it I'm on cm6.1 and I'm able to send and receive.

CallMeAria said:
Htc website had the stock aria rom. As far as the picture messages go remember that you have to have your data turned on to send or receive pic messages. But you should definitely be able to do it I'm on cm6.1 and I'm able to send and receive.
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Yeah I know but there is no indication of it being on there isn't that check mark thing, even though it says its on. Anyways I already went to stock thanks for the help, I'm going to root then just keep it that way.

Finally ............ !!!

My wife and I both brought each other EVO's for Christmas......
Im upgrading from Hero and I got her to finally leave her BELOVED Blackberry's....lol
can't wait to things running... and besides rooting
what do u suggest I do next ??
what's a EVO Must? lol

Screen protector and an Otterbox case lol
Sent from my EVO's 4G You?........I thought so

Extended battery

tell her to buy you a brand new car so you can plug in your brand new phone in and listen to music :x

I suggest you RESEARCH a lot. Find out what you want to do, ask questions, get answers, and go nuts.
I recommend the ROM Wiki in the android development forum, check em out and see which you like when you're ready to start flashing customs.

Ruki_Uki said:
Screen protector and an Otterbox case lol
Sent from my EVO's 4G You?........I thought so
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Nice screen protector that comes with the CM Barely There case.
All smartphone enthusiasts commented on the niceness and the low profile of that case when they saw it.

First root, then flash Myn's Warm rom rls4. I'm kind of a noob. Tried every rom out there and if you want your 4g working and everything Myn's the best and fastest. Also for awesome battery life flash Calk's kernel. I'll give you these links. Both me and the wife are set up like this. The rest is up to you. Bookmark this website and refer to it like a bible. Also a great theme to use is Riptide's colorNclear. We have some of his addons as well, the speedo batt is really cool. The updated launcher pro is a great launcher. It has so many options. Well enough, her are the links.
Myn's Warm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471&highlight=Myn
Calk's kernel- I use 131- scroll down to second post- look for "SBC for Netarchy's CFS More Aggressive 4.2.1 (also known as 131)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876590&highlight=calkulin's
And last Riptide's theme I use V9 the one on post #2 with slayers transitions, allows you to add all the cool naddons. Oh, I also have the blue dialer. He has several colors available.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=727117
Now one thing I found out if you dont already know is
1. flash rom then reboot
2. flash kernel then reboot
3. flash Riptides theme then reboot
4 then if you want the addons you can go ahead all at once without rebooting in between each one.
If you try to flash the rom, theme, and kernel without rebooting it will stick in a bootloop. If you have any questions about any of this fell free to hit me up [email protected]
Have fun!!!

bigel said:
My wife and I both brought each other EVO's for Christmas......
Im upgrading from Hero and I got her to finally leave her BELOVED Blackberry's....lol
can't wait to things running... and besides rooting
what do u suggest I do next ??
what's a EVO Must? lol
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If you don't have 4G/don't care for it and or HDMI, I suggest checking out CM6.1.1 Rom and read alot (Especially OP)

I recommend not flashing at least get a feel for Android, sense and the evo before moving on to other roms. I do appreciate the roms and what not but be prepared to deal with non stop issues with custom roms. If you don't mind tinkering with your phone everydAY to get it to work right then maybe custom roms could be your thing. I use my phone all day everyday but its because I use it, not because I'm trying to get things to work " better". I have been down this road briefly with the evo, but on my tilt 2, I was a Rom flashing fool.
I would recommend rooting but staying stock over all. a while back rooting the evo was simple via unrevoked, I don't think that method works anymore. Why root? Well WiFi teather is the main thing I rooted for. You can run apps like adfree, and of course you can flash roms. Oh and if you root you can put a custom recovery that let's you do usefully things like nandroid backup and restore. With this you can a complete image backup of your phone settings, apps and data.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

In general, yes some roms require a lot of tinkering.
But some (like myns rls4) is out of the box stock experience perfection IMO. Since his ROMs are based on the stock OTA's and kernels, they share a lot of the good stuff of the OTA roms, without the bloat, and with added asthetic effects as well.

Thanx for all the info and tips... I'm ready for root ... think I'm gonna use the one from unRevoked .. thanx again

No screen protector. Believe it or not, it doesn't need it but get the otter box case--worth the money. My Evo gets beat up a lot and and my three-year-old son plays Angry Birds and bangs it around. Tests have been done on the Evo without a screen protector and it's surprisingly resistant to scratches.
I suggest you DON'T root it for a while and see what you can do with your phone, you'd be surprised. Unless of course, there's a specific ROM you'd like to try.
I rooted my phone because I didn't like the look of SenseUI and wanted to try CyanogenMod 6. Otherwise, I wouldn't have rooted my phone and just left it stock.

must root, just wait til there a 1 click ,everything else is role of the dice. Warning you will become a flashaholic, so many great roms and kernals.
have fun

Do not use unrevoked

cbrewington75 said:
Do not use unrevoked
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why?
i never ever had a problem with unrevoked....

Unrevoked does not work on newest hboot. I would not even attempt to root and nand unlock until unrevoked has the tool to do it. I see alot of people bricking their Evo's, killing 4G keys so that it never works again, and alot of other problems.

You should ask in the Q&A section how to root your setup. Write down the hardware#. Its in menu, settings, about phone, hardware info. Also in software write down PRI version, software# and possibly Baseband. Now power down. Once off, hold volume down and press and hold the power button until the screen comes completely back up. Now you're in Hboot. Write down the hboot version. Now ask a question about how to root your phone and include all this info. You should be able to get the right answer.

Woah someone mentioned Otterbox cases. The cases they offer for the evo are terrible! Steer clear especially of the Defender. I have the defender and commuter both are junk.
Check out tridentcase.com their cyclops case is my favorite so far.

squick said:
You should ask in the Q&A section how to root your setup. Write down the hardware#. Its in menu, settings, about phone, hardware info. Also in software write down PRI version, software# and possibly Baseband. Now power down. Once off, hold volume down and press and hold the power button until the screen comes completely back up. Now you're in Hboot. Write down the hboot version. Now ask a question about how to root your phone and include all this info. You should be able to get the right answer.
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Seriously? No. Don't do that. Well, do everything up until the part about making a new thread to ask how to root. That will just piss people off. There are already threads with step by step guides for rooting whatever hardware you have.
Instead, make note of your hboot version and take a trip to the Android Development and Hacking section of the Evo forums and look for a thread with "[ROOT]" in the title, and make sure the hboot version in the title matches yours. All the new root guides will specify which hboot they root. Everything you need to know should be in the guide.

Oh another small thing, you never hear any complain about the stickiness of the screen . I didnt like it so I got a Matt finished screen protector. I found them on eBay @ 3 for $5. They do take a bit of quality away from the colors but I would say it only hurts the quality by 5%. In return your finger will slide across the screen so much easier. It was worth it for me.
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Several questions about the phone!

I've had the phone for 2 months now and I think it's an awesome phone. Couple of questions I have.
What is the difference between this and HTC Desire with Sense? What is sense? Does it suck that we don't have it?
I want to reset the phone to OEM factory state then OC this phone. Where do I begin? How do I do it?
What's all this talk about ROM's and all CW7 and stuff?
I don't wanna try anything that will potentially brick my phone but I do have experience with rooting phones and linux based commands. I had a Nokia N900 and did heaps of stuff with that phone so this shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Thanks for answering any questions of mine!

monkey hung said:
I've had the phone for 2 months now and I think it's an awesome phone. Couple of questions I have.
What is the difference between this and HTC Desire with Sense? What is sense? Does it suck that we don't have it?
I want to reset the phone to OEM factory state then OC this phone. Where do I begin? How do I do it?
What's all this talk about ROM's and all CW7 and stuff?
I don't wanna try anything that will potentially brick my phone but I do have experience with rooting phones and linux based commands. I had a Nokia N900 and did heaps of stuff with that phone so this shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Thanks for answering any questions of mine!
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Sense is skin that HTC put over stock android. It gives you a lots of cool features and eyecandy. If you get your phone rooted you can flash the virtuous rom which is a custom sense rom.
CM7 is widely regarded as the as the best custom rom, it doesn't offer the eye candy or the features of sense. But is stock android with some awesome tweaks and is fast and smooth and has loads of customization options
Have a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431 for walk throughs about how to root your phone, flash custom ROMs, OC you phone and loads of other cool stuff. If you have experience using linux based comands you will have no problems modifying your phone.
Bit of advice as your new to the forums, read then read again. And make sure general questions are posted in Q&A section. People get un happy when non development questions get posted in the dev section.
Welcome to the forums.
Sent from my awesome DZ

oh whoops! Sorry about posting it here. I didn't know! Thank you for all that information you have been very helpful

monkey hung said:
oh whoops! Sorry about posting it here. I didn't know! Thank you for all that information you have been very helpful
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Sorry wasn't clear. This question was fine posted here. I was just giving a warning about posting in the dev section
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monkey hung said:
I've had the phone for 2 months now and I think it's an awesome phone. Couple of questions I have.
What is the difference between this and HTC Desire with Sense? What is sense? Does it suck that we don't have it?
I want to reset the phone to OEM factory state then OC this phone. Where do I begin? How do I do it?
What's all this talk about ROM's and all CW7 and stuff?
I don't wanna try anything that will potentially brick my phone but I do have experience with rooting phones and linux based commands. I had a Nokia N900 and did heaps of stuff with that phone so this shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Thanks for answering any questions of mine!
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rooting with gfree/rage is very easy and as long as you don't fubar the adb commands, you won't have trouble. I even screwed up the first time I did it (overlooked a typo) and ended up fine.
after you've rooted, you can certainly use the factory ROM and overclock, but be careful with which kernel you use.. they don't all work on the stock ROM. I would recommend baconbits as it's from the very trustworthy cyanogenmod team and has been used by many a DZ/G2 owner. I did stock rom/baconbits for a while before the gingerbread roms started rolling out... when an official gingerbread rom rolls out for our phones, that's what I'll be going back to (depending on how awesome Gingervillain 2.0 is )
sense is way overloaded, but that's just my opinion. check out some screenshots/videos of the different available roms to get a feeling for what they might be like before you install them on your phone.

Where can I find these screen shots and videos? Is there a certain list on this site? Or do I have to manually search it via Google and Youtube? I don't know the names of all the mods....haha

there is no better friend than google. Depending on what kind of person you are.. if you genuinely care about why stuff works.. how it works... then you must read the entire Vision Wiki from top to bottom...its got great stuff in it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision If you dont care about why or how things work just go for broke and root it and pop a rom on and play with it. Whatever floats your boat.
just look through the stickies empirical http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=801206
do not do anything to your phone without making sure you have fully read the wiki...just dont rush into anything, enjoy your time enjoy each detail because the joy is in learning why things are the way they are.
Sense and CM and Vanilla...... ford...chevy...dodge... pepsi or coke... macintosh or windows... pizza burgers or fluffernutters... whatever floats your boat. no ifs and or buts about it, land of the free and rooted

Wow, he's a virgin. Lol. Welcome to the club bro. Unlockr.com has many easy videos n directions too.
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I have a Desire Z, and therefore started with Sense and was on the stock ROM for about 2 months. Having switched to CM7, I have to say I don't miss much about Sense. Sense has some nice widgets, but nothing that can't be done with market apps, for the most part. The only thing I miss is the Sense camera. It has a really nice look and layout, and focuses on any point on the screen by touching it. Sense is a resource hog, and my phone seems faster and smoother without it.
ROMs are the operating system software for the phone. Custom ROMs are ones that are tweaked by users here, who are awesome enough to do all the hard work and share it with us. Custom ROMs add functionality, sometimes improve performance, and often strip out a lot of the "bloatware" that your carrier likes to put on the phone. CM7 is a custom ROM, and one of the more popular ones. Its based on stock Android (CM6 is Froyo and CM7 is Gingerbread) and packed with lots of extra features.
If you are comfortable with rooting, you are really most of the way to flashing a custom ROM. After you root, download ROM Manager from the Market. You can use ROM Manager to backup your current ROM, download many of the popular custom ROMs, and install them, just with a few clicks.
Why do you want to return to factory condition? You can OC without doing that. You just root and flash a new kernal, then install SetCPU or similar.
Somebody already posted the "Stickies" guides. Start reading, all you need to know is there.