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What does the windows 7 update mean for us?

I see lots of people say when windows mobile 7 goes on our device it will be unbeatable, why is this? I dont really see much wrong with this one lol

hammers4life said:
I see lots of people say when windows mobile 7 goes on our device it will be unbeatable, why is this? I dont really see much wrong with this one lol
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I don't know about unbeatable but WM7 has gone through several delays as I'm sure Microsoft is aware that they are standing on there last leg to keep there (9%) of there mobile market shares, so......
...if Microsoft is smart, and it looks like they seem to be (delays signify that WM7 is not quite ready and thus, not rushing it), it should be a much improved Operating System as it has to compete against Symbian and Apple's and blackberry.
Market Shares:
Symbian....50.3%
Blackberry..20.9%
Iphone........13.7%
Windows.......9.0%
Andriod.......2.8%
WM 6.5 was was not even supposed to have existed but due to the delays, 6.5 was nothing more than a stand in, holding it's place for what some have anticipated to be revolutionary OS. Not sure if they will push through with that term when it actually comes out of the gates. Time will tell...

There isn't too much wrong with this one. Windows Mobile 6.5 is by far the most powerful mobile OS and it's getting bashed just because it lacks a nice and simple user interface.
Windows Mobile 7 will bring a new, hopefully exciting, user interface, probably based on Silverlight, new APIs for developers to create great applications that look and work much better than what we have now and better integration with Microsoft's services (Zune, XBox, Windows Live, Bing...).
On the other side, it will probably break compatibility with most, if not all, currently available applications.

freyberry said:
On the other side, it will probably break compatibility with most, if not all, currently available applications.
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And I think it should. The past should be scrapped to create a new future. Like OS9 to OSX and PalmOS to WebOS. Bring emulation if really needed.

Don't forget the new core of the CE which will fully support the new fast processors. That means we get an even faster phone.

windows 7 base on ce 6.0 core so ther wont be any backward compatibility.
Probably new core will be much stable and faster (support for FPU) and some othre stuff.

will windows mobile 7 be freely avalible on hd2? some sites are saying yes and others are saying no. it is my understanding that wm 6.5 and wm7 will co-exist, with wm7 aimed at high end devices (i assume because of the higher system requirements). would be good if HTC gave the hd2 wm7, as it would really open up the device in terms of performance and features.

matthewharmon102 said:
will windows mobile 7 be freely avalible on hd2?
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Nobody knows yet.
My guess is that there will not be an official HTC release of it, for the same reason as there hasn't been any official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD - WM7 is due to launch at about the same time as the successor to the HD2 (Q4 this year), and allowing HD2 users to upgrade easily to WM7 would cannibalise sales of the HD3 (or whatever it's called); HTC would obviously prefer people who want to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new HTC phone to do it.
I've no doubt that attempts will be made by the ROM "chefs" on this site to produce "cooked" ROMs for the HD2 based on WM7. However, this may be a much tricker proposition than, say, producing a WM6.5 ROM for a Touch HD, as WM7 is based on an entirely different Operating System kernel and uses a new driver model. That means that unless there is some reference device which uses exactly the same hardware as the HD2 and runs WM7 and whose drivers the ROM chefs can pirate, it's not going to work.

[Q] Windows Phone 7 on Droid 2

I saw an article on the home page that Windows Phone 7 might be coming to the HD2. Any idea if it would be possible to port WP7 over to the Droid 2?
Dual booting between the two of them would be pretty interesting and cool I would think.

Android sounds way better to me

Android sounds better, yes. It would still be fun to play with a wp7 install though.

juliend said:
Android sounds better, yes. It would still be fun to play with a wp7 install though.
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Playing with is what I was going for : D
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Chiggins said:
I saw an article on the home page that Windows Phone 7 might be coming to the HD2. Any idea if it would be possible to port WP7 over to the Droid 2?
Dual booting between the two of them would be pretty interesting and cool I would think.
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Guys, WP7 is a closed source OS. It only works on Snapdragons. It doesn't, and wont ever, run on any Motorola device, or any other device that didn't come with WP7. Get real.
Only reason it works on the HD2 is because that was used as an early test device for WP7, and it has identical specs to several HTC WP7 devices on the market.

WP7 will only run on a SnapDragon with the Adreno 200 GPU. There are a bunch of existing Android phones with that spec (N1, DInc, ...), but the OMAP on the Moto Droids is completely different (with a different GPU). It took Android a while to support anything but the original MSM7201A (528mhz CPU in the G1 and all phones until the first Droid).
My guess is that WP7 will never support the OMAP. Since WP7 is closed source, MS can (and will) dictate the hardware that manufacturers have to put into it. With Android, a manufacturer could technically add their own support for a new CPU or GPU.

Windows Phone 7 on Xoom

Would it be possible to run Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom you think. I know theJPhone part won't work. But just to see how it might look and run. Just a thought.

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Mods should delete the OP instead.

I sure hope not... eww.

Agreed.
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Windows 7 isn't supported on Tegra processors. Thats why you won't be able to install it.

i hope noone who has the ability to maybe realize that is trashing his abilities so hard.

Maybe Windows 8 as its supposed to support ARM processor instructions. Start looking for a leaked beta soon.
Also for future reference only post in the Development section if your developing something (an application or ROM). This doesn't include asking about developing something.

Hey All,
So can I just ask why?
I mean I have a Windows Phone 7 phone as my backup/work phone (benefit of being in IT I get to not order my self a blackberry or an Iphone) and I can honestly say its a nice device and have owned 3 different generations of Zunes. Battery life is excellent and the UI is nice and clean and it works well. If I wasn't as vested as I was in android I would possibly consider making that the OS of my primary phone (which is currently a Droid X) once they have them on good old Verizon and HDMI out. That being said even good old Microsoft (who I actually really like) has said Windows Phone 7 is a phone only OS and not meant to be run on tablets. The whole design of the OS actually kind of falls apart if you imagine it on a large display since its novelty instead of having sub windows have everything on one horizontally long display, with the sub menu features essentially hidden off screen.
Now as for Windows 7, as of this point it wouldn't be possible. Windows 7 currently supports only x86 and x64 chips and google stopped supporting these processor types in android after 1.6. Which is the odd reason why some of those new dual boot android/win7 tabs all use android 1.6. So to pull off a main stream Windows OS on this tablet you will have to wait for Windows 7 Embedded (which is win 7 + mobile cpu/gpu support) or Windows 8.
Once they release an offical beta of Win 7 Embedded I have a funny feeling it will be ported to all sorts of devices
Jvward

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Reading the replies for that gentleman post is like reading a rude war against someone who is just asking a very simple question in an open forum, well people you all shouldn't be that rude to him.. replying with some helping words is better than posting harsh words.. aren't you all knowing what is the meaning of being "Polite"?

may be some day..
it would be a huge undertaking to do something like this.
however, despite feelings running high and peoples obvious favour toward android i do think it would be great to be able to run Windows7 or Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom.
Take as an example the HTC HD2 - its a windows mobile device that now supports the following list of operating systems..
windows mobile ce
windows phone 7 series
android stock
android sense
linux ubuntu - kubuntu
maego
windows95-98 ( emulation )
this is simply because some very talented developers locked on to the HD2 as it was the first superphone with a big screen and big power, and it came along before Android had such devices available...
back to the XOOM - i doubt we will ever see this sort of porting wizardry on our Xooms but nothing is set in stone, if someone could create something like MAGLDR (see HD2 forums) but for the Xoom then we could all enjoy a huge range of operating system choices.
Also, we all need to be aware that for the most part devices are perfectly able to run all sorts of operating systems in theory but as they are mass produced by manufacturers the way they are today we don't get to enjoy the fully unlocked benefits that we could.
imaging buying a pc and finding it wasn't possible to install LINUX instead of Windows !! - you would take it back to the store !!
Okay so i haven't offered a solution here - but lets not stop the imagination of others providing ideas that may some day become possibilities. and lets all hope that some day we can buy tablets like we buy pc's, with the ability to be loaded with a choice os O/S solutions.
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Immature forum members.....
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Windows 8 on TouchPad

Now wouldn't that be the ****
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Iconia W500.

What's next for the ultimate HD2
Wouldn't that be something if windows ran on the iconic HD2 that i just sold for my sensation LOL. I'll never unestimate the power of that device

infrared_guy said:
Wouldn't that be something if windows ran on the iconic HD2 that i just sold for my sensation LOL. I'll never unestimate the power of that device
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Truthfully, I think that might be the first thing that the devs can't pull off... The again, Windows 8 will have ARM support (read: no legacy apps, where 99.9% of windows x86/64 bit).... so we'll wait and See.

Dont get your hopes up, its closed source.
most likely, it's not happin'n

I tend to agree that it won't happen, people will try, they might make progress but it seems unlikely.

I think I'd rather just wait for official Windows 8 tablet hardware. They'll no doubt be superior (since most will run Tegra 3 if not 4), and who knows what they'll do with the digitizers. I'm hopeful that we'll get a Wacom digitizer that handles both capacitive touch and resistive with extensive pressure sensitivity for use in digital illustration. Time will tell.

jasongw said:
I think I'd rather just wait for official Windows 8 tablet hardware. They'll no doubt be superior (since most will run Tegra 3 if not 4), and who knows what they'll do with the digitizers. I'm hopeful that we'll get a Wacom digitizer that handles both capacitive touch and resistive with extensive pressure sensitivity for use in digital illustration. Time will tell.
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Yeah but how about W8 running on a 100$ piece of hardware? I mean how inexpensive can you get?

Why do people worry so much about Windows ARM version not running legacy apps?? New apps will be created for Windows 8 that integrate with Metro, I'm pretty sure that all respectable software companies and even independent developers are starting to plan and make ARM based apps for Windows 8. Windows 8 will be powerful, and software companies need to start developing the next generation of applications eventually.
ARM is the future, x86 is done and I refuse to buy an Intel tablet or next gen AMD all-in-one. And please don't tell me you want to open your excel spreadsheet on your tablet on your way home on the train, on, cause it's not 'cool'. /vent

dalethefarmer said:
Why do people worry so much about Windows ARM version not running legacy apps?? New apps will be created for Windows 8 that integrate with Metro, I'm pretty sure that all respectable software companies and even independent developers are starting to plan and make ARM based apps for Windows 8. Windows 8 will be powerful, and software companies need to start developing the next generation of applications eventually.
ARM is the future, x86 is done and I refuse to buy an Intel tablet or next gen AMD all-in-one. And please don't tell me you want to open your excel spreadsheet on your tablet on your way home on the train, on, cause it's not 'cool'. /vent
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Don't you know the difference between Legacy apps and New apps?
and for your information, ARM may or may not be the future. Only time will tell.

dalethefarmer said:
ARM is the future, x86 is done and I refuse to buy an Intel tablet or next gen AMD all-in-one. And please don't tell me you want to open your excel spreadsheet on your tablet on your way home on the train, on, cause it's not 'cool'. /vent
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Please... x86 isn't going anywhere for a long time.
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jasongw said:
I think I'd rather just wait for official Windows 8 tablet hardware. They'll no doubt be superior (since most will run Tegra 3 if not 4), and who knows what they'll do with the digitizers. I'm hopeful that we'll get a Wacom digitizer that handles both capacitive touch and resistive with extensive pressure sensitivity for use in digital illustration. Time will tell.
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Win 8 doesn't have support for Tegra yet.

Vistaus said:
Win 8 doesn't have support for Tegra yet.
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yet. it will get arm support and then some. windows 8 looks more mature than android 3.0 and i love android.
i am using WP7 on my HD2 and it is kinda growing on me. Looks like microsoft is finally doing something right

I Can't wait till the ARM version leaks, or will it ever since it's not going to be sold as a standalone?

inasar said:
yet. it will get arm support and then some. windows 8 looks more mature than android 3.0 and i love android.
i am using WP7 on my HD2 and it is kinda growing on me. Looks like microsoft is finally doing something right
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Mikey$oft doing something right?
Well I had faith in them when I got my HD7 running WP7 and installed Windows 7 for the first time.... Basically they had me from the 'Start'
But to be honest I'm using Windows 8 now and I can't explain it but it just 'feels' different, kinda like my cell phone and PC had a baby.

Well I know that the hp touchpad wont be able to run it. A developer said it would be impossible.
I really dont think microsoft will allow you to load win 8 tablet on any tablet, im sure there going to try and control everything

DemiNutive said:
Mikey$oft doing something right?
Well I had faith in them when I got my HD7 running WP7 and installed Windows 7 for the first time.... Basically they had me from the 'Start'
But to be honest I'm using Windows 8 now and I can't explain it but it just 'feels' different, kinda like my cell phone and PC had a baby.
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Please tell me how you flashed win 7 i am noob here

Well, would you look at that!
HP Testing Windows 8 on TouchPads
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads

bigboy292000 said:
Well, would you look at that!
HP Testing Windows 8 on TouchPads
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads
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Saw that earlier today as well... hoping that gets leaked too.
Windows 8 on the Touchpad would be great.

Has anyone heard of a win8 arm beta program?
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Will WIN8 run on Galaxy S III

I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.

Windows 8 sucks, to be honest. At least on a desktop.

boyhandsome said:
I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
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No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res

boyhandsome said:
I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
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Then buy a windows 8 phone and not android.
Personally I think windows phone is sh*t.
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I wouldn't piss my money away on a Windows 8 phone but dual boot Android/Win8 is something that's already got me salivating.

I reckon Win 8 Phones have their place in the market... At the BOTTOM... LOL. But seriously, I had my hands on some DEMO gear and its not that bad. It's good to see a more level playing field as all that really means is more CHOICE for all.

I think the question should be: will win8 phones able to run android ?
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Nick14 said:
No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
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though its not possible to port win8 to s3 due to copyright issues, your 1st and 3rd point is not true
1. bootloader is hackable
2. 1280x720 is supported in win 8 mobile

Nick14 said:
No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
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HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8

bala_gamer said:
though its not possible to port win8 to s3 due to copyright issues, your 1st and 3rd point is not true
1. bootloader is hackable
2. 1280x720 is supported in win 8 mobile
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1.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...othing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/
completly locked down so it's kinda a hard
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we got the wight but not the hight or visa verca
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/21/scaling-to-different-screens.aspx
lockmunk said:
HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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It's like saying i got triers so they will fit a car , bike or boat.... reverse engineering is a bigger job than u think just watch the Idroid project , so just because HD2 could run windows phone 6.5 doesnt mean that my S1 will run WP7

duskdevilza said:
I reckon Win 8 Phones have their place in the market... At the BOTTOM... LOL. But seriously, I had my hands on some DEMO gear and its not that bad. It's good to see a more level playing field as all that really means is more CHOICE for all.
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well said...but keep in mind guys...HTC HD2...living proof of XDA Devs...KUDOS.
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lockmunk said:
HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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Im not saying its not possible but I doubt many Devs will invest so much time and effort in producing a port that is partial and not effective...even the HOX port to S3 is not easy feat by any means...and keep in mind...thats Android to Android lol...

I personally think windows 8 on phone sucks....but as a tablet computer it is pretty good. If windows 8 could support all (or atleast most) of the apps for windows (.exe) it would be great, imagine loads of apps. And more over all the developing, rooting, flashing roms on android phones could be done anywhere (not literally) just via the tablet. I personally think windows 8 on a tablet would change the life of all normal pc users. As for gamers!!! and heavy duty devs, the most powerful pc is also weak.

rohan999 said:
I personally think windows 8 on phone sucks....but as a tablet computer it is pretty good. If windows 8 could support all (or atleast most) of the apps for windows (.exe) it would be great, imagine loads of apps.
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I believe apps would have to be recompiled for ARM. Right now 99% of apps would not work.

WIndows ing system is KING. But as for a phone... I think ANDROID has that title at the moment.
But I would like to have the option to have windows 8 on my phone just to play with it abit.
I wonder why any devs could not get the same framework and just change the drivers around to match that of a s3.
I mean its software on hardware. If you have the space and right kind of hardware anything i think is possible. If you know how to manipulate software very very well

<QUOTE>I believe apps would have to be recompiled for ARM. Right now 99% of apps would not work</QUOTE>
some tablets run on intel processors....so i believe they might run as usual.

Real question is as always will a Dev be bothered to try to port it .
Its never a question of users wants always developers choice .
Unless of course someone needs Windows that much they pay to have it developed privately .
Second question is how long before w8 port leads to Microsoft's lawyers gearing upfor action .
jje

buy ativ s then your problem solved

nodstuff said:
Then buy a windows 8 phone and not android.
Personally I think windows phone is sh*t.
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WP8 and Windows 8 are not the same.
But seriously Windows 8 is a tablet OS. It is not easy to use on a 4.8inch screen.

Wp7.5 was horrid. Wp8 will probably be the same..
On a tablet.. hmm maybe worth looking at. On a desktop... i had the beta... piss poor..
I now have the new beta on the xbox.. looks alot like windows 8.. but... i like the new dash for one reason..
Microsoft finaly got their fingers out thier jacksys and intergrated internet explorer..
Personally.. i hate anything to do with windows excpet the fact that when they break.. i get work..
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Nick14 said:
1.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...othing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/
completly locked down so it's kinda a hard
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we got the wight but not the hight or visa verca
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/21/scaling-to-different-screens.aspx
It's like saying i got triers so they will fit a car , bike or boat.... reverse engineering is a bigger job than u think just watch the Idroid project , so just because HD2 could run windows phone 6.5 doesnt mean that my S1 will run WP7
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You are talking about Windows 8 (RT), and that might be really hard to get on the S3. However, Windows Phone 8 does accept our resolution (see the ATIV S for example).
What people seem to be missing is that we have the Android sources. This means that it's "easy" to change the source code and make it run on different systems. Windows Phone (and Windows) is closed source. It's a "black box". You can't see what's inside, so it's very hard to mod it to make it run where it isn't intended to. This is the reason why no device has been hacked to run WP7, even when its hardware would allow it to (such as the Nokia N9).
It will be easier to run Android on the ATIV S than WP8 on the SGS3. Not saying it's impossible, just that it's very, very hard. Much harder than Android on the HD2.