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Hey xda´s!
Today I´m getting my own HD2 from england and I can´t wait to hold it in my hands
But I have some questions about the phone.
The first one is...Will the HD2 be upgradeable to Wiindows Phone 7 or if it will not be official upgradeable will the xda´s can do it? I know its early to ask about WM7 because there are not really many specs out about it yet but I would like to know what you think about that
And my second question is...Will the HD2 with it´s capacitive screen have full "multitouch" aahh sorry "pinch to zoom" support on WM7?
...or will the xda´s enable more multitouch gestures in the next weeks or months?
There have been tons of queries about this subject, please use the search before posting. It's probably safe to say that HTC won't be giving us WinMo7 the official way, but I'm sure the XDA community will find a way getting it to our beloved HD2 "the other way"
it will be possible congrats for ur new mob you'll love it
Yep! Thats right! If not Officially, you can bet that Win Mo 7 will be made available on the HD2 by the talented devs here. And not just that, we might even get Android to run on it!
Congrats on your purchase!
Tanmay® said:
..., we might even get Android to run on it!
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Thats a point i never got...
Why do people want to port Android on Wimo Phones? I you like Andorid, why don't you directly buy an Android phone which was designed for the operating system. I guess thats better than having a bad ported version running on a phone desigend for windows mobile.
actually this subject is non sense.
LordK said:
Thats a point i never got...
Why do people want to port Android on Wimo Phones? I you like Andorid, why don't you directly buy an Android phone which was designed for the operating system.
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People do it because, in the case of the HTC Leo/HD2, there's not one piece of hardware quite like it being sold with Android installed.
I guess smartphones are quickly becoming the new PCs & Laptops of the age. Some people buy a PC with an OS installed as default, they like the hardware but not the OS (usually Windows, maybe OSx) so they just format the HDD and install say Ubuntu etc etc.
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People do it because, in the case of the HTC Leo/HD2, there's not one piece of hardware quite like it being sold with Android installed.
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Yeah but you will never get a well-performing port until an OEM makes a device with the same hardware. Who's going to make the drivers for you?
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Yeah but you will never get a well-performing port until an OEM makes a device with the same hardware. Who's going to make the drivers for you?
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That's true. Though the Acer A1 and Xperia X3 both use snapdragon so drivers (or partial drivers) will undoubtedly make their way to the porting project.
Yes but then you will have Android devices with the same level of hardware as HD2! So the initial question remains - why not buy them instead of coping with inevitable problems with ports?
It's not like drivers instantly start working when you copy them from one device to another, even with the same hardware platform - check out the video drivers thread to see what I mean. You're doomed to have problems like battery drain or calls dropping or poor performance in some areas or what not.
Then there will be some problems with applications - I don't know about the new devices, but all the current Android ones have low-res screens.
In addition to that, you really want 2.0 with Sense, and there's no port of that available AFAIK. Plain Android is just dull, it's nothing to fret about, IMO.
I understand the fun of porting and making things work, but using that as your primary device? It's guaranteed to be worse than what you have now.
Neither of those devices have 4.3 inch touchscreens. Also The HD2 has a look and feel all of its own.
The only thing spoiling it for me is Windows Mobile and the terrible onscreen keyboard so if we could port Android to this device I would be elated as it has a much better marketplace (Windows Marketplace is really a sack over overpriced crap), less cludge and better built in apps - the Youtube app for example supports user subscriptions and favourites viewing, and I'm a big online video fan.
The fact that Android was built from the ground up for capacitive touchscreen devices rather than being a patched up ropey old operating system with a shell interface on top makes me drool at the idea of it being on the HD2, and YES we could buy an Android device of similar specification BUT where's the fun in that??? Check the name of this site.........................
Well, I'm not on the Google/Android hype bandwagon, I do admit that the UI out of the box there is much more finger friendly and the notifications are implemented in the best way among all the mobile phone OSes, but otherwise Android's greatness is blown out of all reasonable proportion. An Android crippled by driver incompatibilities/incomplete implementation is something that totally misses the concept of attractive in my terms...
That said, I'm sure I'll install it myself one day (via haret or otherwise) just out of curiosity, that would certainly serve to satisfying the geek in me. But to expect that your experience from using the device would improve is somewhat unrealistic.
I am happy with the HD2 and figured I would decide what platform to go with at the time of my next phone purchase. This report should mean I can try out Windows Mobile 7 on the HD2 and take that into consideration as well.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html
CAH000 said:
I am happy with the HD2 and figured I would decide what platform to go with at the time of my next phone purchase. This report should mean I can try out Windows Mobile 7 on the HD2 and take that into consideration as well.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html
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nice, i can't wait
MSmobiles is full of **** as usual. They post BS to get hits every once in a while.
CLOSED.
too many negative assholes.
take the downer comments
somewhere else, thanks.
To be honest, I've never witnessed the "good old days" of Windows CE, but I think it'll be tough to get it completely working on the HD2.
Also, if we actually would succeed in porting this old version to this handset, I think we'd actually brick the solidness of the OS.. just by "pluggin in" new drivers etc.
I like the idea myself but personally, I see more potential in a Linux distro, for the HD2. For as far that's possible
Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/could-menlo-signal-a-change-in-microsofts-mobile-strategy/6077
Already is...
Windows Mobile 5 & 6 are already based on Windows CE5, with customization for phones. Windows Phone 7 is partially based on a Win CE 6 core, I believe, again with optimizations for phone use. So... your question is moot.
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Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/could-menlo-signal-a-change-in-microsofts-mobile-strategy/6077
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NT Kernel = x86
meaning not arm compatible.
some days ago i read microsoft finished new windows ce based on win7. maybe that would be an interesting port. the old windows ce is ****ty i find
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To be honest, I've never witnessed the "good old days" of Windows CE, but I think it'll be tough to get it completely working on the HD2.
Also, if we actually would succeed in porting this old version to this handset, I think we'd actually brick the solidness of the OS.. just by "pluggin in" new drivers etc.
I like the idea myself but personally, I see more potential in a Linux distro, for the HD2. For as far that's possible
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seeing linux distro would be quite a sight, i will admit.
and yes, you're right about the solidity of the OS after plugging in drivers to fix for the speakers, screen, wifi, BT, etc..
could prove to be quite a messy situation. D:
i suppose the "solidity" i experienced was simply because the devices this OS came on were simply built for CE..
can't much built CE for the HD2 now, can we..? -.-
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Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
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that's a hell of an idea right there, ikovac!
besides the harsh comments after the blog, that post has potential.
but the only problem is the x86 compatibility..
if someone could figure out a bridge between x86 and ARM builds, they'd be revolutionary!
but imagine the stability there.. fail. -.-
lungjian said:
Windows Mobile 5 & 6 are already based on Windows CE5, with customization for phones. Windows Phone 7 is partially based on a Win CE 6 core, I believe, again with optimizations for phone use. So... your question is moot.
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hate to break ya, but without severe porting, win7 won't hit the hd2. for ridiculous reasoning.
sure, it'll make it around the bend somehow, but seemingly, microsoft never wants win7 to see the hd2.
this is why i hate apple. because they control their products so carefully. please, microsoft.. don't be like apple.. D:
you know...this thing ACTAULLY has the minimum specs to run Windows 7 if you look SOLELY at numbers.
1ghz processor
16gb drive space(17 if you include the ROM space)
512mb memory
Wait....we SHOULD be trying to get XP running on this puppy LOLOL!!!!
Ultimaex said:
NT Kernel = x86
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That is quite wrong. NT kernel is on itself architecture independent and was actually written for MIPS first and ported to x86 later on. NT 3.5 ran on x86, MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC and IIRC there were some beta builds for the SPARC.
Current NT kernel works on x86, x86-64 (it is not the same as x86) and IA64.
Will you wanna use Windows 3.1 with Dos 6.22 now????
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that's a hell of an idea right there, ikovac!
besides the harsh comments after the blog, that post has potential.
but the only problem is the x86 compatibility..
if someone could figure out a bridge between x86 and ARM builds, they'd be revolutionary!
but imagine the stability there.. fail. -.-
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I think they are already porting NT kernel to ARM. I guess BSOD will look the same, right?
Bumping with a new goal!
Mkay guys, i'm bumping the thread because there should be more ideas than this going on. >.<
so, i want everyone to post thread urls to other sites that are working, in the progress, close to being done, or already been done, that relate to running OS's other than winmo6.5 on the HD2.
so please, devs and geeks alike.
show us the urls!
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Mkay guys, i'm bumping the thread because there should be more ideas than this going on. >.<
so, i want everyone to post thread urls to other sites that are working, in the progress, close to being done, or already been done, that relate to running OS's other than winmo6.5 on the HD2.
so please, devs and geeks alike.
show us the urls!
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+1 on URLs!
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
OrionBG said:
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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even if that was possible,,, there is no application development anymore on such platforms.
To use the 10% of the device for an old obsolete OS, then the rest 90% is what?
i find it completely useless. A linux port would be great.
OrionBG said:
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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this is quite interesting, and while it is true that it is a weak OS on a powerful phone, it's worth looking at, honestly..
post a url? =]
g30rg10u said:
even if that was possible,,, there is no application development anymore on such platforms.
To use the 10% of the device for an old obsolete OS, then the rest 90% is what?
i find it completely useless. A linux port would be great.
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yes, a linux port would be amazing.
but i've figured out why android won't be running on the htc hd2 for a while. (note: it WILL run, just not right now.. :b)
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
then, shorty after, they will port the linux coded bootloader for the snapdragon on the hd2, and bam. instant hd2 amazingness.
see, i just wanna see ANYTHING but winmo 6.5 on this thing. i like winmo, honestly i do, but i also like having options.. :b
and thus, the struggle for the bootloader continues. xD
ijoshv2 said:
this is quite interesting, and while it is true that it is a weak OS on a powerful phone, it's worth looking at, honestly..
post a url? =]
yes, a linux port would be amazing.
but i've figured out why android won't be running on the htc hd2 for a while. (note: it WILL run, just not right now.. :b)
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
then, shorty after, they will port the linux coded bootloader for the snapdragon on the hd2, and bam. instant hd2 amazingness.
see, i just wanna see ANYTHING but winmo 6.5 on this thing. i like winmo, honestly i do, but i also like having options.. :b
and thus, the struggle for the bootloader continues. xD
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Snapdragon is not the whole thing(while EVO has been out since last week and sold on eBay?)
Work in process./
And I agree with you, that I love WIN6.5 or 6.1 but option is a good thing.
Found something! :d
check this out, guys.
i found a thread for running windows 95/95 on the HD2. =]
now, i'm thinking if they can start with the older systems, why not be able to progress up to winXP or, outlandishly, windows 7?
check it out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637889
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see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
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Nexus One is using a snapdragon cpu and that phone has been out for almost half a year now.
Now the only device I'v see that can both run android and wp7 is HTC HD2. And I don't know why no developers want to let wp7 in other device. I've used android for 6 months and just use wp7 only 1 month. But I think the wp7 let applications more efficient. And I think if let this system in the powerful dual-core tablet can let this more strong. Now some one can let Ubuntu run in A500. And is possible to run wp7 in it?
WP7 is closed-source and would be extremely difficult to port over to this chipset, especially since there is no build of WP7 optimized for Tegra 2 yet.
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WP7 devices were being outsold by WebOS devices by almost 2:1. WebOS is officially gone due to the lack of any profit HP was able to yield from it. Why would you want to let MS infect another bit of hardware like android tablets?
WP7 on HTC is sweet...
but I don't think it's optimized for tablet usage...
waiting win8
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WP7 is closed-source and would be extremely difficult to port over to this chipset, especially since there is no build of WP7 optimized for Tegra 2 yet.
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I've already notice it, but I think nvidia want to let its chip on other OS platform. The tegra wp7 is coming soon.
You're right about that and one problem they are having with Win 7 on touch devices is that it's not designed for touch devices. Supposedly Win 8 will be, but it's not out yet.
Ted
tedpc01 said:
You're right about that and one problem they are having with Win 7 on touch devices is that it's not designed for touch devices. Supposedly Win 8 will be, but it's not out yet.
Ted
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WP7. IS WINDOWS PHONE designed ffor touch devices.or am I missing something
Giggles
Sorry Erica, I read into it too much! lol
Ted
Is there any other operating systems that we can run on the HTC Hero beside Android as would really like to try somthing diffrent on it.
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I also tried, but most other OS are either close source or built for another CPU type. Widows phone for example is closed source, while Meego is built for Intel chips
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awesome very nice
hmm...i know a solution buy a phone from every OS )))))
Stefan
stefpaul said:
hmm...i know a solution buy a phone from every OS )))))
Stefan
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wouldnt be a very feasible solution now would it?
Every OS has layer over layers of code and to run it you have to go with a better phone, because you need power...and some OS's have closed source code... so no access to what we need to develop...
And sincer the hero is to damn old...phone are evolving to fast...damn why have a quad core phone (i read htc has one in plans) if you have a max of 5 inch display????? I understand power to a tablet BUT TO A PHONE?... Most of the cases are market strategy...
So in this case, to run a OS on a single phone it's getting kind of hard...so a phone for every os is the best option. I would like to run WM on my phone but since no source code...
Stefan
stefpaul said:
Every OS has layer over layers of code and to run it you have to go with a better phone, because you need power...and some OS's have closed source code... so no access to what we need to develop...
And sincer the hero is to damn old...phone are evolving to fast...damn why have a quad core phone (i read htc has one in plans) if you have a max of 5 inch display????? I understand power to a tablet BUT TO A PHONE?... Most of the cases are market strategy...
So in this case, to run a OS on a single phone it's getting kind of hard...so a phone for every os is the best option. I would like to run WM on my phone but since no source code...
Stefan
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I heard abt quad core,nvidia is also launching quads,our hero 's r coming to a near dead end,but I know development will never cease,
I may go fr a quad but I'd still use this fone simply Cos it opened my world at xda
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quadcore... AMAZING
I would love to have a quad core phone imagin what you could do with it.
It would be great to run a virtual host on it an have 2, lets say androids on it one for business with all the restrictions activated from exchange or anything and one private where you can have your social media apps.
Just have two (or more) phone in one phone.
maybe also different platforms,... who knows.
websta911 said:
I would love to have a quad core phone imagin what you could do with it.
It would be great to run a virtual host on it an have 2, lets say androids on it one for business with all the restrictions activated from exchange or anything and one private where you can have your social media apps.
Just have two (or more) phone in one phone.
maybe also different platforms,... who knows.
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imagine how big the battery must be to get enough power in the CPU then
also dualcore is almost to much for a phone.. you never really need it
quad core on a phone....NEAH...buy a tablet...i already have one and i'm pleased with it, so i was asking myself these days? why buy a big 4.7 inch phone and spend a lot of money when you can buy a tablet and do more stuff with it since it has a 10 inch screen...
PS: asus transformers is on sale for BF @ 250 $...so it's good to buy if you don't need to play the new tegra games
Stefan
i would like wm 6.1 to my Hero )))
Here anyone that will get involved in building a custom WP8 ROM for current WP7 devices can post their results.
Many of us know it's possible and that MS is just bullshhh**** us with the "no hw support" thing.
DFT and other teams, hope you will try to give us what MS does not.
Thank you for your other hard work.
Will there really be WP8 for WP7 devices? From what I read it does not seem to be the case.
This will be possible just wait.My sources tell me.
wp8 - from Vickee4u India
i have been using windows phone since 2008 ( O2 phone , Then i have Purchased Samsung i200, now i am using Samsung focus.
now this is my last windows phone not at all satisfied with MS policies, i think because of this policy Nokia is badly affected
they have lunch n900, which has not good response world wide as windows phone 8 is going to be launch next or two month later
Upgrade policy must be 3yrs from date of manufacturing of the product.
i request MS to make wp8 compatible with 1ghz processor phone & 512 ram samsung focus the hot cake phone of windows which made windows most popular in it
vickee4u said:
i have been using windows phone since 1993 ( O2 phone , Then i have Purchased Samsung i200, now i am using Samsung focus.
now this is my last windows phone not at all satisfied with MS policies, i think because of this policy Nokia is badly affected
they have lunch n900, which has not good response world wide as windows phone 8 is going to be launch next or two month later
Upgrade policy must be 3yrs from date of manufacturing of the product.
i request MS to make wp8 compatible with 1ghz processor phone & 512 ram samsung focus the hot cake phone of windows which made windows most popular in it
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1st, my eyes hurt.
2nd, what?
3rd, wrong place to post all of this.
Thanks a lot
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i have been using windows phone since 1993 ( O2 phone , Then i have Purchased Samsung i200, now i am using Samsung focus.
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You've been using Windows Phone since 7 years before they released their first mobile (Pocket PC)? The Windows-CE kernel wasn't even developed until after the mid 90's
Jarsky said:
You've been using Windows Phone since 7 years before they released their first mobile (Pocket PC)? The Windows-CE kernel wasn't even developed until after the mid 90's
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You are right I think. :good:
hskharkunwar said:
You are right I think. :good:
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microsofts first moblie OS was Pocket PC 2002
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microsofts first moblie OS was Pocket PC 2002
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You may want to check your facts on that....... I am no expert but I know Windows CE devices (HPC pre Pocket PC) were tied to Cell Phones.
I know cause I played around with a few back in the Analog days. Before the Ipaq was a hit (PPC2002).
My Audiovox ran Pocket PC 2002SE (edit.....on a fact check it was 2003SE oops sorry)
But heck my Casio BE300 WinCE 3 ( pre WinCE.Net) could be used as a phone back in the day with the use of a CF plug in unit........I miss my little upstart of a Pocket PC ass kicker
IF you see WP8 for WP7 devices, there will be issues. It wont support the fulll feature set. A lot of things wont run at full performance and new WP8 games that are designed for dual core phones will run poorly if at all.
Never mind the fact, after release, unless some betas show up, it will take time to get the drivers right, and dependong on hardware. So, the HD2 might get it first followed by a HD7, etc. At least mine (Verizon HTC Trophy) will be last. So if your counting on a update for your phone right after WP8 is released, I would not get your hopes up to high. It will totaly depend on your model phone too, some phones are still not even cracked for full unlocks yet, never mind an entire OS from the ground up
My contract has been up for a long time now, I even have a credit towards a new phone, I'll just get a new phone in fall time, as the possable feature/performance loss from a POSSABLE upgrade might be too much.
I AM HAVING SAMSUNG OMNIA W OULD LIKE TO HAVE WP8 FOR THIS GREAT PHONE
by SOMKLL
I miss an option in the poll "I'll most likely get free WP8 device as a developer"
I already received two Lumias 800 for free
Don't count on it, guys. Look at WP7, the only phone to unofficially get WP7 was the HD2 and that only happened because the HD7 is basically an HD2 with different buttons.
The source is closed, it can't be recompiled to work on any device. Unless there is a very similar device which runs WP8, it won't happen. And that won't happen because WP8 all have hardware 2 years newer than WP7.
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Here anyone that will get involved in building a custom WP8 ROM for current WP7 devices can post their results.
Many of us know it's possible and that MS is just bullshhh**** us with the "no hw support" thing.
DFT and other teams, hope you will try to give us what MS does not.
Thank you for your other hard work.
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I'm sure where there is a will there is a way as always. API's and PID's can easily be integrated. I have not seen RT yet but I'm sure they will have WHQL enabled so all is needed is a hack to disable this and drivers can be built.
Oh good luck writing those drivers. The best luck be to get hands on WP8 ROMs for current/1st gen devices.
Ms had been testing wp8 on older HTC devices which showed up onlogs leaked on the internet.
And do you have access to that ROM?
I know everybody hurts Microsoft for the decision that WP7 devices cannot upgrade to WP8.
But I trust Microsoft. Everything shows, the company want the best for his new system.
And WP8 have some new functions that really require new hardware. And because there is a lot of function that require new drivers for almost every piece of the existing hardware, I think it's not good business to anyone.
And as a user...Compare to other platforms I can say we are all received the maximum.
And my message to lumia users....Phones lifecycle are very short. It could be happen anytime, a phone's lifecycle reaches it's end as happend now.
+1 gamo!!! As consumers we the people have driven MS to this conclusion. Forcing the hand to say sacrifice the current lineup for stability because people want hardware over usability. My biggest gripe with android is stability and my 'twist the knife' question to all my android friends is, "How many times a week does you phone crash or force close?" and watch them squirm. My Trophy has NEVER (pause) NEVER, EVER, for over 1 year year of heavy use, had a crash or close or reboot. I would rather keep my phone stable and functional than go to crapshoot code--android.
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