CLOSED.
too many negative assholes.
take the downer comments
somewhere else, thanks.
To be honest, I've never witnessed the "good old days" of Windows CE, but I think it'll be tough to get it completely working on the HD2.
Also, if we actually would succeed in porting this old version to this handset, I think we'd actually brick the solidness of the OS.. just by "pluggin in" new drivers etc.
I like the idea myself but personally, I see more potential in a Linux distro, for the HD2. For as far that's possible
Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/could-menlo-signal-a-change-in-microsofts-mobile-strategy/6077
Already is...
Windows Mobile 5 & 6 are already based on Windows CE5, with customization for phones. Windows Phone 7 is partially based on a Win CE 6 core, I believe, again with optimizations for phone use. So... your question is moot.
ikovac said:
Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/could-menlo-signal-a-change-in-microsofts-mobile-strategy/6077
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NT Kernel = x86
meaning not arm compatible.
some days ago i read microsoft finished new windows ce based on win7. maybe that would be an interesting port. the old windows ce is ****ty i find
Pyr0wl said:
To be honest, I've never witnessed the "good old days" of Windows CE, but I think it'll be tough to get it completely working on the HD2.
Also, if we actually would succeed in porting this old version to this handset, I think we'd actually brick the solidness of the OS.. just by "pluggin in" new drivers etc.
I like the idea myself but personally, I see more potential in a Linux distro, for the HD2. For as far that's possible
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seeing linux distro would be quite a sight, i will admit.
and yes, you're right about the solidity of the OS after plugging in drivers to fix for the speakers, screen, wifi, BT, etc..
could prove to be quite a messy situation. D:
i suppose the "solidity" i experienced was simply because the devices this OS came on were simply built for CE..
can't much built CE for the HD2 now, can we..? -.-
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Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
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that's a hell of an idea right there, ikovac!
besides the harsh comments after the blog, that post has potential.
but the only problem is the x86 compatibility..
if someone could figure out a bridge between x86 and ARM builds, they'd be revolutionary!
but imagine the stability there.. fail. -.-
lungjian said:
Windows Mobile 5 & 6 are already based on Windows CE5, with customization for phones. Windows Phone 7 is partially based on a Win CE 6 core, I believe, again with optimizations for phone use. So... your question is moot.
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hate to break ya, but without severe porting, win7 won't hit the hd2. for ridiculous reasoning.
sure, it'll make it around the bend somehow, but seemingly, microsoft never wants win7 to see the hd2.
this is why i hate apple. because they control their products so carefully. please, microsoft.. don't be like apple.. D:
you know...this thing ACTAULLY has the minimum specs to run Windows 7 if you look SOLELY at numbers.
1ghz processor
16gb drive space(17 if you include the ROM space)
512mb memory
Wait....we SHOULD be trying to get XP running on this puppy LOLOL!!!!
Ultimaex said:
NT Kernel = x86
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That is quite wrong. NT kernel is on itself architecture independent and was actually written for MIPS first and ported to x86 later on. NT 3.5 ran on x86, MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC and IIRC there were some beta builds for the SPARC.
Current NT kernel works on x86, x86-64 (it is not the same as x86) and IA64.
Will you wanna use Windows 3.1 with Dos 6.22 now????
ijoshv2 said:
that's a hell of an idea right there, ikovac!
besides the harsh comments after the blog, that post has potential.
but the only problem is the x86 compatibility..
if someone could figure out a bridge between x86 and ARM builds, they'd be revolutionary!
but imagine the stability there.. fail. -.-
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I think they are already porting NT kernel to ARM. I guess BSOD will look the same, right?
Bumping with a new goal!
Mkay guys, i'm bumping the thread because there should be more ideas than this going on. >.<
so, i want everyone to post thread urls to other sites that are working, in the progress, close to being done, or already been done, that relate to running OS's other than winmo6.5 on the HD2.
so please, devs and geeks alike.
show us the urls!
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Mkay guys, i'm bumping the thread because there should be more ideas than this going on. >.<
so, i want everyone to post thread urls to other sites that are working, in the progress, close to being done, or already been done, that relate to running OS's other than winmo6.5 on the HD2.
so please, devs and geeks alike.
show us the urls!
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+1 on URLs!
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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even if that was possible,,, there is no application development anymore on such platforms.
To use the 10% of the device for an old obsolete OS, then the rest 90% is what?
i find it completely useless. A linux port would be great.
OrionBG said:
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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this is quite interesting, and while it is true that it is a weak OS on a powerful phone, it's worth looking at, honestly..
post a url? =]
g30rg10u said:
even if that was possible,,, there is no application development anymore on such platforms.
To use the 10% of the device for an old obsolete OS, then the rest 90% is what?
i find it completely useless. A linux port would be great.
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yes, a linux port would be amazing.
but i've figured out why android won't be running on the htc hd2 for a while. (note: it WILL run, just not right now.. :b)
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
then, shorty after, they will port the linux coded bootloader for the snapdragon on the hd2, and bam. instant hd2 amazingness.
see, i just wanna see ANYTHING but winmo 6.5 on this thing. i like winmo, honestly i do, but i also like having options.. :b
and thus, the struggle for the bootloader continues. xD
ijoshv2 said:
this is quite interesting, and while it is true that it is a weak OS on a powerful phone, it's worth looking at, honestly..
post a url? =]
yes, a linux port would be amazing.
but i've figured out why android won't be running on the htc hd2 for a while. (note: it WILL run, just not right now.. :b)
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
then, shorty after, they will port the linux coded bootloader for the snapdragon on the hd2, and bam. instant hd2 amazingness.
see, i just wanna see ANYTHING but winmo 6.5 on this thing. i like winmo, honestly i do, but i also like having options.. :b
and thus, the struggle for the bootloader continues. xD
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Snapdragon is not the whole thing(while EVO has been out since last week and sold on eBay?)
Work in process./
And I agree with you, that I love WIN6.5 or 6.1 but option is a good thing.
Found something! :d
check this out, guys.
i found a thread for running windows 95/95 on the HD2. =]
now, i'm thinking if they can start with the older systems, why not be able to progress up to winXP or, outlandishly, windows 7?
check it out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637889
ijoshv2 said:
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
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Nexus One is using a snapdragon cpu and that phone has been out for almost half a year now.
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Hi Guys
I like the design and spec of Adam but I would also need proper usability from it. By proper I mean word, excel, usb to Com cables in general Windows 7.
Would it be possible to install Windows 7 on the device and how hard would it be?
I have not see the device in action so does anyone know does it have PC style bios or more like bootloader on smartphones?
TheDeadCpu said:
That would be hard. Not impossible.
The thing is I doubt anyone will actually waste hundreds of hours to get a worse operating system running.
(I say it's worse because it's not tablet optimized)
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Not worse, just heavier because more usable as PC. For me Android is the worse one as yo have no proper apps that make it usable as PC.
As said if I could get ubuntu to run with office on it I would not think about windows 7 but I can not even do that.
Andoid main problem is the same as one on apple ipad it is a OS for phones.
Adam started out as a dual boot Linux/ Android tablet.
Have not heard anything re Linux boot for a while though.
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I seen on forum for ink that they have image for ubuntu but still no office on it.
Grr I always loved tablet idea TBH even when they were called slates.
Until late I had my HP TC1100 and was very happy but it is lucking now in performance for win7 and office 2010. Also it is so "used" now that paint is coming off.
Oh well will have to wait for a win7 dedicated tablet.
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
smedley.jason said:
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
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Well since they patented Windows 7 core to work with Arm in December one would hope that will be overcome. Apparently there will be al ighter version of Win7 for ARM based systems. Hmm we will see but fro now HP Slate 500 is the best bet.
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
tdh_andy said:
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
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Well if I wanted to use open office I wuld not ask for windows 7 would just go to ubuntu directly. Openoffice suck badly no matter what people say, if you do tons of docs, formatting and scripting in excel you need proper, real office.
Anything else I could deal with on linux just not lack of that.
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
Schattenspieler said:
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
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Only time will tell for sure. Right now we can't figure that out as there is no ARM version available. Once they make one I'm sure that people will start trying.
First, I know it's a little early for this, since Win8 isn't even in beta yet.
However, I just got a Kindle Fire, and would absolutely love a Win8 port when and if it becomes possible. So I had a few questions for devs that might take up this project.
Is anyone already planning on giving this a shot?
Would this have any legality issues, since Win8 will in all likely hood require a product key, even on the ARM version?
Is it even theoretically possible, since the Kindle Fire normally runs Android?
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
mtmerrick said:
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
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The ability to run amd64 apps.
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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You=noob
A 64 bit processor can run in either amd64 or intel64. Microsoft claim that windows 8 will be one big system. They also say that they can get arm to run with amd64 (and intel64) apps fine but they are accused of being unable to do so with i386. I watched the video released by Microsoft about it. All 2 hours....
If you don't know something don't pretend you know about it before posting.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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Go on wikipedia and search windows 8. Go to the compatibility section and read. Then I want an apology for being a [email protected]
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Wikipedia said:
Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
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You self righteous troll.
mtmerrick said:
You self righteous troll.
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I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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um, you proved yourself wrong - i was right, as i thought. You are acting self righteous, and your behavior is best described as trollish. And im not insulted -I'm laughing at your ignorance. In case you can't see quotes or something weird like that, lemme re-copypaste from Wikipedia
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
benjamingwynn said:
I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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wtf with the flameing people? no need to be argueing like morons to each like that. look there will be a version of windows that will work on ARM and the op is asking when that version will be released and portable to the fire. Got it????
AndroHero said:
1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
i think we should be trying to focus on the hp touchpad and the kindle fire, also the nook tablet to try to port win 8 to them once the ARM verson is released.
benjamingwynn said:
Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
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Have you not listened to a single word in this thread? You can not port x86 Windows 8 to an ARM processor and expect x86 apps to run.
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
mtmerrick said:
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
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It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
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It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
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If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
johnston9234 said:
If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
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I don't need to. I'm not doing it. I came here to help and most of you threw that back in my face. I'm not here to flame.
I thought I could share my experiences with Windows since 95 and help you find hope for your kindle. If you don't want it then it's your loss. I don't have a kindle fire but I thought I should try to help you out anyway.
I can't help you with your problems unless you let me. I CAN code in a variety of different languages including C+ +, meaning I could easily pick up a arm driver for a sister device and port it.
Thanks for letting me voice my opinion. If you didn't like it then go tell someone who gives two....
A few road blocks against w8 on the fire
1) Storage: Will it actually fit in 8gig? Hopefully the arm version will without all the old bloat
2) Drivers: you are not going to see any windows8 tablet comes out with the "old" OMAP4430, they are talking about windows 8 tablets being quad core with 2gig of ram or something?
3) Ram: 512meg of ram will make running w8, if you even can get it to run, painful
4) Closed source: porting binary only OS's is hard/near imposable without a comparable device with a native version (See HD2 having almost the same hardware as WP7 and android devices).
I wouldnt bet against a port, as this is XDA, but I would consider it highly improbable.
(Also theres legal issues, MS would come down like a hammer on anyone sharing a w8 rom!)
Would it be possible to use windows 8 on our android phone like we made ubuntu work? or even make it a custom rom??
With ubuntu we pretty much just mount the .img and connect to it with vnc right? couldnt we do the same with the dev. preveiw of windows 8?
Certainly hope so. There is always virtual machines.
Or you can install teamviewer like some dumb people pretent to use windows on iPad and iPhone
This would be fun to mess around with if this could be done.
Well, once/if the ARM version gets publicly released, then it should in theory be possible.
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Well, once/if the ARM version gets publicly released, then it should in theory be possible.
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I doubt it, android uses a totaly diffrent bootloader structure and partition layout to windows based phones, it also uses a diffrent file system, i wouldnt like to brick my nand chip by trying to format it in fat/ntfs
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AndroHero said:
I doubt it, android uses a totaly diffrent bootloader structure and partition layout to windows based phones, it also uses a diffrent file system, i wouldnt like to brick my nand chip by trying to format it in fat/ntfs
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i think so, win 8 is so complicate to install it on an android phone
unless something very unexpected happens, it will be impossible.
read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21264932#post21264932
mtmerrick said:
unless something very unexpected happens, it will be impossible.
read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21264932#post21264932
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trh1341 said:
Would it be possible to use windows 8 on our android phone like we made ubuntu work? or even make it a custom rom??
With ubuntu we pretty much just mount the .img and connect to it with vnc right? couldnt we do the same with the dev. preveiw of windows 8?
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From my perspective,android is still linux but a simplified mobile version..i guess that is why it was possible to port ubuntu to work on it.
As regards windows 8 ,i really think it is impossible due to the hardware specs nd libraries.
Windows 8 hardware specs have been released today and Engadget reported
Controversially, ARM-based tablet users won't be able to deactivate secure booting and (therefore) install another operating system. Clearly that's not gone down well with people -- and a straw poll of our editors agreed
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Source
I don't know what effect that'll have on installing Win8 on an Android tablet but it sounds discouraging.
smitty5569 said:
Windows 8 hardware specs have been released today and Engadget reported
Source
I don't know what effect that'll have on installing Win8 on an Android tablet but it sounds discouraging.
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pretty much that loading android (or anything else) onto a W8ARM tablet will be near impossible
Zibams said:
From my perspective,android is still linux but a simplified mobile version..i guess that is why it was possible to port ubuntu to work on it.
As regards windows 8 ,i really think it is impossible due to the hardware specs nd libraries.
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i think like you.. android is linux.. remember that
Might be possible after win 8 starts supporting ARM.
Meanwhile have you guys seen windows 7 embedded compact which already supports ARM...is that a possibility on Android phones?!!
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is it
is it happening
it seems to be impossible , coz maybe it needs to rewrite all base drivers, and i wonder if the hardware supports it.
hopeless....i think.
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it seems to be impossible , coz maybe it needs to rewrite all base drivers, and i wonder if the hardware supports it.
hopeless....i think.
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Tegra3 android is one platform already used for windows8 beta arm , which was seen on ces. so its possible, but sure all drivers needs to be made or compiled for arm cpu.
and it is said that bootloader will contain encrypted keys to boot windows somehow, i do not know the complete story here, probably a BIOS edition like on regular pc's.
hopeless, not at all. just look at iMac when it started on x86, we had their OS on non-mac's and their hardware was dualbooting win7/MacOS.
it will be just a matter of time, until someone do that, if you can run windows 95/98 and XP on HTC EVO 3D why not Windows 8?
joao12ferreira said:
it will be just a matter of time, until someone do that, if you can run windows 95/98 and XP on HTC EVO 3D why not Windows 8?
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i doubt thats possible without drivers and an arm compiled windows.
you have probably seen a remotedesktop like SplashTop for android shown.
OS Run
joao12ferreira said:
it will be just a matter of time, until someone do that, if you can run windows 95/98 and XP on HTC EVO 3D why not Windows 8?
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As far as i know all this OS are running on virtual machine, so... it's laggy, it works only with standart drivers, so there is no any hardware acceleration. I think some people will keep trying to port Win8, but as other says, it can be very hard, mb cotulla can, he know Win7 embedded core, so it can be like Win8 core. And another one peace - as i know Win8 for tablets and PCs will be same, but WP8 will have another core part.
Hey guys,
Windows 8 Developer Preview has been out for a while, and I really like what it offers... It has both the Windows 7 Phone layout for your start menu (sorta, I can't really explain it, you just have to try it to understand!), and a full windows framework and desktop to run applications. Since it's based off 7, it has a light footprint, and it works not only on x86 & x64, but armv7l aswell.
So I thought: At one time I did something to use my windows drivers on linux... (There wasn't a wifi driver, so I searched around and found a util that could let me do it) So why couldn't someone do it the other way around, for the Atrix? It would be like having Full windows on your phone but scaled down to match screen size, and then when you place it on the webtop, and voila! you get full scaled Windows 8...
I'm not saying that I can do it, but I'm just throwing the idea out there, for those of you who tried 8, you would get what I mean by the start page and full desktop thing, others just read about it!
No. One of the WOA requirements to boot is a locked AND signed bootloader, also there are NO plans to distribute WOA licenses outside of OEMs.
littleemp said:
No. One of the WOA requirements to boot is a locked AND signed bootloader, also there are NO plans to distribute WOA licenses outside of OEMs.
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Yea I read an article on that like 5 minutes before you posted it. There don't have to be plans to release it. At some point its gonna get leaked, and as soon as that happens, devs who have the time and need for 8 will work in it...
That or have you ever tried to install mac os x on a pc? Yea it works they made some
kind of alt bootloader that will load mac bypassing all the requirements... That might happen to android devices....
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Yea I read an article on that like 5 minutes before you posted it. There don't have to be plans to release it. At some point its gonna get leaked, and as soon as that happens, devs who have the time and need for 8 will work in it...
That or have you ever tried to install mac os x on a pc? Yea it works they made some
kind of alt bootloader that will load mac bypassing all the requirements... That might happen to android devices....
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Assuming someone manages to get around the technical hurdles, it will still be something akin to piracy to freely distribute WOA without microsoft's consent. This has been discussed a thousand times on different tablet forums and it's the same conclusion everytime, Microsoft has put a bunch of failsafes to stifle development on their own platform let alone porting to others. WOA is going to be much closer to iOS than Windows 7 as far as distribution goes.
The dev preview is for x86 and x86_64 architecture. An ARM build hasn't been released, so there's you're first problem.
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xiontinsu said:
The dev preview is for x86 and x86_64 architecture. An ARM build hasn't been released, so there's you're first problem.
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An ARM build won't be released... That's the problem...
This will probably be considered a noob question, and I apologize if this is question is in the wrong place, but is it within reason to dual-boot android on a windows RT tablet? The answer may determine my purchase of a windows tablet when they arrive, because I like both android and windows on tablets.
-Dave
Not possible. Windows RT uses Secure Boot, BitLocker and other security mechanisms so it will be extremely hard to break.
A little question to the OP, why?
TravisAntonio said:
A little question to the OP, why?
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Games and previously purchased apps would be my best guess. If there ends up being good android emulation (bluestacks) then I would think that there is no reason at all.
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TravisAntonio said:
A little question to the OP, why?
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Because Android was built from the ground up on mobile devices. Windows went the other way. Obviously Android does a lot of things better when mobile.
AdamOutler said:
Because Android was built from the ground up on mobile devices. Windows went the other way. Obviously Android does a lot of things better when mobile.
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jiffy1080 said:
Games and previously purchased apps would be my best guess. If there ends up being good android emulation (bluestacks) then I would think that there is no reason at all.
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The OP seems dead but thanks for your answers , maybe we will be able to boot-up Key Lime Pie when the times come.
Hmm ... Mine isnt a WinRT tablet as such but i own a ExoPC tablet and it runs both Windows and Android ...
I have tested Windows 8 Enterprise N & ICS 4.0.4 ....
U can find more info here ....
www.exocommunity.com
Regards
Currently you can run Android in a VM successfully on prior Windows editions, I have yet to run it virtually on Windows 8 BUT if you're actually buying an RT Tablet that runs on ARM, I don't suggest you purchase it hoping to run Android.
Good news? Intel is going Mobile and so is the ARM Processor and why is that good? Anyone can make it and not just anyone but Samsung is noted to be making a model FOR Android phones. Why does this matter? It means Google must be up to making Android for ARM and if that is true, I can almost bet that someone will be able to put it on a Windows RT Tablet eventually and that is the keyword, eventually.
So if you have to dual boot right this second? Buy a normal Windows 8 Tablet/Slate, not RT Tablet as they're not as powerful and "Desktop" will NOT be available but if you're not looking for power, stay with an Android Tablet or wait to see what Microsoft will be doing with the Slate.
Or Dual-Boot Android & WindowsRT on Android TABLET? :thumbup:
Time will make it happen.
Maybe run bluestacks in windows 8?
FC1032 said:
Maybe run bluestacks in windows 8?
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Like he said Lol. no need for Android, you have the best or Smoothest UI with BLUESTACK player that can run ALL ANDROID APPS so need for the OS itself. Enjoy!!!!!!!!
akbisw said:
Like he said Lol. no need for Android, you have the best or Smoothest UI with BLUESTACK player that can run ALL ANDROID APPS so need for the OS itself. Enjoy!!!!!!!!
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Read up the title dude, its - Windows RT(ARM)
Yeah, W8 will surely run Android apps via Bluestacks.(X86)
But its two OS on Single TABLET.
Remember ASUS's...tab
JB • XD/\PP
VR.gtmini said:
Read up the title dude, its - Windows RT(ARM)
Yeah, W8 will surely run Android apps via Bluestacks.(X86)
But its two OS on Single TABLET.
Remember ASUS's...tab
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Oh, I just thought the possibility if it was rather low (even if it was done, probably not going to be too good), so offered an easier alternative.
I mean there are even android x86 projects, just that they don't work that well and compatibility isn't the best over different hardware.
Only time will tell
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Currently you can run Android in a VM successfully on prior Windows editions, I have yet to run it virtually on Windows 8 BUT if you're actually buying an RT Tablet that runs on ARM, I don't suggest you purchase it hoping to run Android.
Good news? Intel is going Mobile and so is the ARM Processor and why is that good? Anyone can make it and not just anyone but Samsung is noted to be making a model FOR Android phones. Why does this matter? It means Google must be up to making Android for ARM and if that is true, I can almost bet that someone will be able to put it on a Windows RT Tablet eventually and that is the keyword, eventually.
So if you have to dual boot right this second? Buy a normal Windows 8 Tablet/Slate, not RT Tablet as they're not as powerful and "Desktop" will NOT be available but if you're not looking for power, stay with an Android Tablet or wait to see what Microsoft will be doing with the Slate.
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Android has ALWAYS run on ARM chips. Not sure what you're talking about here...
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Android has ALWAYS run on ARM chips. Not sure what you're talking about here...
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correction. Android runs on MIPS, ARM and x86.
ARM is the most popular platform though.
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correction. Android runs on MIPS, ARM and x86.
ARM is the most popular platform though.
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but the assertion that Android has always run on ARM is not incorrect, the first device that Android ran on was ARM.