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Does anyone else think that due to SE releasing an Android based "PSP" phone we will finally get to see more and more high-quality games on our android phones?
Personally I won't be buying the Xperia play but I strongly believe that due to it's release a lot more developers will jump on the android gaming bandwagon, which will then obviously benefit a range of Android phone owners (Desire HD anyone?)
So whats your opinion? Will the Xperia play help Android reach or even exceed the gaming quality we have seen on the Iphone? (no fart apps, in terms of 3D FPS, RPG, etc....). Will the Xperia be such a breakthrough that developers will (finally) dump iOS and develope for Android first!?
I really hope the games reeased on the Play will have no soft keys and all the leaching oppurtunisists will finally buy atleast the consolse
No, games are coming anyways. Especially now that Nvidia has there own app/market for quality games.
vetvito said:
No, games are coming anyways. Especially now that Nvidia has there own app/market for quality games.
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Problem is Tegra Zone only works with Tegra devices. The Xperia play is built on snapdragon scorpion.
The Xperia Play will bring a different crowd in. One of the benefits of it is there will be Playstation games you can download and play, and that some games on Android are optimized for the controller. It really won't bring anything major in though, since as far as gpu goes it's not all that much faster than what we have now.
Correction-Tegra Zone is available to any device with a resolution of 480x800, and running Android 2.1.
I hope that more good games come out; there are some good ones now but personally, I think that games are better if you have separate controls.
I think it's brilliant. But I also call it the Emulator Phone. I'm going to rock it ASAP since no one will release a decent Bluetooth gamepad.
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Yes and no.
I've tried one and it's very nice, the gameplay is surprisingly smooth.
The one clear advantage it has is the bespoke gaming controls. In that respect no other Android handset can compete.
The problem with it, as with SE in general, is the tech is behind the curve.
There are handsets being released with much more processing capability that would provide a better gaming experience if properly utilised.
If SE had made used some sort of dual-core CPU or better yet the same CPU as the NGP will use then it would undoubtedly be the cream of the crop for gaming on Android, as it is it will face stiff competition and content is likely to be the deciding factor. In that respect, SE have a slight edge as they're using Sony's existing ties with games developers to bring in exclusive titles to the Play but I would imagine that a lot of games developers will also look to bring their games to a wider market as well.
Only time will tell how successful SE's strategy will be...
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Yes and no.
I've tried one and it's very nice, the gameplay is surprisingly smooth.
The one clear advantage it has is the bespoke gaming controls. In that respect no other Android handset can compete.
The problem with it, as with SE in general, is the tech is behind the curve.
There are handsets being released with much more processing capability that would provide a better gaming experience if properly utilised.
If SE had made used some sort of dual-core CPU or better yet the same CPU as the NGP will use then it would undoubtedly be the cream of the crop for gaming on Android, as it is it will face stiff competition and content is likely to be the deciding factor. In that respect, SE have a slight edge as they're using Sony's existing ties with games developers to bring in exclusive titles to the Play but I would imagine that a lot of games developers will also look to bring their games to a wider market as well.
Only time will tell how successful SE's strategy will be...
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as someone on engadget said, i think the reason SE went with "lower end hardware" is because they wanted the lowest common denominator for the PS suite games, if the PS suite games are built around the play's processor/GPU it should mean higher end phones can run the games without issue
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as someone on engadget said, i think the reason SE went with "lower end hardware" is because they wanted the lowest common denominator for the PS suite games, if the PS suite games are built around the play's processor/GPU it should mean higher end phones can run the games without issue
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Given their clearly-stated intention to restrict compatibility to a small range of 'certified' handsets, that point is moot IMO.
They could easily have used higher-spec hardware themselves and only certified equally high-spec handsets.
As it stands, the Play aside, the only phones that will definitely be able to play the Playstation branded games are Tegra2 handsets, which are definitely better specced than the Play.
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Correction-Tegra Zone is available to any device with a resolution of 480x800, and running Android 2.1.
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Well,the Tegra Zone app itself will work with any device with the specs you mentioned,but games will run only on Tegra devices,so it's no good.
It all depends on how well the games can be played without Xperia Play.
I'd rather carry a phone with qwerty key pad than a game pad.
Those are 10 games out the 50 that will be available... keep in mind that those games are re-designed to work with the game-pad
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as someone on engadget said, i think the reason SE went with "lower end hardware" is because they wanted the lowest common denominator for the PS suite games, if the PS suite games are built around the play's processor/GPU it should mean higher end phones can run the games without issue
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That was me! I said that!
Also, I voted yes cause I'm going to develop for android cause of it.
I just need to find a quick-start guide
I tried the android emulator, but its slow as hell on my PC...
Gaming on android is improving, more and more developers are starting to port their games to droids. However, it has nothing to do with Xperia Play - it's sales are very low, hardware is not good enough, etc.
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it's sales are very low
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Ive been told by retailers there is a shortage
The Rogers guys showing them off at Videogames Live used Verizon's units cause they said there were far too few to waste any on demos
One retailer I went to only got 1.
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Gaming on android is improving, more and more developers are starting to port their games to droids. However, it has nothing to do with Xperia Play - it's sales are very low, hardware is not good enough, etc.
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How is the hardware not good enough?
Nova 2, Cordy, Backstab, Asphalt 6 look good and pay well.
Gingerbread flies on the Xperia Play.
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Gaming on android is improving, more and more developers are starting to port their games to droids. However, it has nothing to do with Xperia Play - it's sales are very low, hardware is not good enough, etc.
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yeah.....forgive me but i call BS, do you even have a source/link to your low sales claim?
as for the hardware not being good enough? no one here will lie and say the play is using the highest specs available but its good enough for everything gaming related on android right now, i dont know if you have a play (but judging from your above comment, i doubt it) but coming from someone who does, its great, if your only looking at reviews/non-confirmed sales/specs and coming to a conclusion your missing out
why has no one mentioned the playstation Suite? i no its still a long way off but its coming and it will be a great source for android phones in general as well as xperia play games
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yeah.....forgive me but i call BS, do you even have a source/link to your low sales claim?
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Nope. I'm only considering overall enthusiasm about this phone on the internet forums. The enthusiasm is more or less non present at all. Of course, there is still a way that A LOT of people are buying it and, before they could even post on XDA, suddenly dying from an endless joy they recieve from playing those top-notch gameloft games, which all (except for, well, one) has been available for iOS for months, but i find it quite unrealistic.
Anyway, to improve the gaming situation this phone should be popular, i mean, POPULAR, like top HTC or Samsung phones are, with all their multimillion sales. And this phone is not. I suppose, it is even less desireable then it's brother Xperia Arc.
as for the hardware not being good enough? no one here will lie and say the play is using the highest specs available but its good enough for everything gaming related on android right now
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Right now, this phone is outdated. Hardware is good for 2010, but now it is 2011, and there are already some exclusive games that won't even launch on a single-core CPU smartphone. And Play have to survive in this environment for at least a year. The only hope is that Sony will pay for development of a new games especially for Play.
Phone is ideal for emulators, though.
why has no one mentioned the playstation Suite? i no its still a long way off but its coming and it will be a great source for android phones in general as well as xperia play games
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Yep. Let's hope that this thing will really bring something.
this is the best thing to come to retro console emulation... ever
if you are a retro gaming hobbyist... this is the phone to get period.
I don't know how much more enthusiasm people are wanting. There aren't really any identifiable flaws with it and it has the latest and greatest of everything. I personally think this is the best phone ever.
Is it a revolution for handheld gaming in phone form? I think the idea's been done before so no... but put this up agianst a n-gage and see which one wins
Hey there everybody!
I'm sorry if this could have fit in another thread, but I'm just curious about one thing; if this phone is worth buying just now.
I have a Wildfire S at the moment, and I'm pretty bored of it, it has ****ty specs, can't run anything worthwhile...
So first, I wanted to buy a PS Vita, but seeing that the games weren't appealing to me, and they all start at $40-50+, I'm more likely to get an Xperia Play.
The only thing stopping me is that I don't know if it's still a good phone, if it still can run the newest games, etc.
So please, help me, will ya?
~eris
eris94 said:
Hey there everybody!
I'm sorry if this could have fit in another thread, but I'm just curious about one thing; if this phone is worth buying just now.
I have a Wildfire S at the moment, and I'm pretty bored of it, it has ****ty specs, can't run anything worthwhile...
So first, I wanted to buy a PS Vita, but seeing that the games weren't appealing to me, and they all start at $40-50+, I'm more likely to get an Xperia Play.
The only thing stopping me is that I don't know if it's still a good phone, if it still can run the newest games, etc.
So please, help me, will ya?
~eris
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In my opinion I would just dish out the money for an Xperia s. Just root it and connect it with a dualshock controller.
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'Good' Phone
Imo the only good thing about the xperia play is the controls, the fact that is 'old' in specs you could buy something better, further support to the ps suite doesnt look better either (moving to ICS looks good but it will have ups and downs), still is a good phone but consider a second choice.
To be honest, no.
Unless you REALLY dont want to spend the extra cash for a way better phone, get this.
In comparison, its like buying a Nexus One in this day and age.
No. I prefer my old PSP for gaming over my xperia play anyways. The controls feel a lot worse and smaller on the Xperia Play, and the amount of compatibility issues with custom roms and touchpads is annoying too.
About the games, see the list of xperia play optimized games and see if those appeal to you.
Also, I know the wildfire S is an old phone with ****ty specs but just note that the xperia plays processor is clocked only 400 mhz higher , the gpu is worse, and there is nearly 100 mb more usable ram in the wildfire S than the play. This is not a worthy upgrade from your old phone..If you were coming from an old blackberry/nokia or something, then I would tell you to get the play. If upgrading I recommend a dual core phone, you will notice a huge performance difference.
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No. I prefer my old PSP for gaming over my xperia play anyways. The controls feel a lot worse and smaller on the Xperia Play, and the amount of compatibility issues with custom roms and touchpads is annoying too.
About the games, see the list of xperia play optimized games and see if those appeal to you.
Also, I know the wildfire S is an old phone with ****ty specs but just note that the xperia plays processor is clocked only 400 mhz higher , the gpu is worse, and there is nearly 100 mb more usable ram in the wildfire S than the play. This is not a worthy upgrade from your old phone..If you were coming from an old blackberry/nokia or something, then I would tell you to get the play. If upgrading I recommend a dual core phone, you will notice a huge performance difference.
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Come on, do you really compare the Wildfire 600mhz to the Play 1000mhz?
it´s a snapdragon, And don´t forget, you can easily clock the Play to a stable 1.8ghz, i have mine at 1.4ghz.
The GPU is worse? the Wildfire S uses adreno 200 the Play is the 205..
He will notice a big improvement from Wildfire to the Play.
To all saying no, the Play it´s still a good phone, there are better ones yes, mas they cost a lot more.
Finaly
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3777&idPhone2=3608
Most of the games you can get on the play you can play on any other android device. If you want the play as a solid gaming device, you're better off with the vita.If you want the play for its physical controls on the move go for it. Specs wise it sucks and is bulky compared to the newer options which as mentioned are more expensive.
I'd have to say yes.
All the analysts that said Xperia PLAY would fail to run future generation software are eating their own statements now as Xperia PLAY continues to beast the newest software there is with consistent 30-60FPS and high detail.
No other phone has as many games compatible with it's physical controller as the Xperia PLAY does, and Xperia PLAY's game software support is just getting better and better every day.
I too thought that the Vita would break me away from the Xperia PLAY. It's a nice handheld, but right now Sony's making a lot of mistakes with the Vita that currently causes Xperia PLAY's options to be far more enticing.
I see dual cores, I see quad cores, beastly screens, 3D screens and all kinds of things on newer phones... but when you see Shadowgun on the Xperia PLAY running just as nicely as it does on the Atrix, Galaxy S2 and GNex, you soon learn that there's currently no reason for all that.
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Come on, do you really compare the Wildfire 600mhz to the Play 1000mhz?
it´s a snapdragon, And don´t forget, you can easily clock the Play to a stable 1.8ghz, i have mine at 1.4ghz.
The GPU is worse? the Wildfire S uses adreno 200 the Play is the 205..
He will notice a big improvement from Wildfire to the Play.
To all saying no, the Play it´s still a good phone, there are better ones yes, mas they cost a lot more.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3777&idPhone2=3608
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I read Adreno 220 the first time. Sorry. But even then I think a dual core phone with more ram would be better. Dual core just increases performance so much.
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I'd have to say yes.
All the analysts that said Xperia PLAY would fail to run future generation software are eating their own statements now as Xperia PLAY continues to beast the newest software there is with consistent 30-60FPS and high detail.
No other phone has as many games compatible with it's physical controller as the Xperia PLAY does, and Xperia PLAY's game software support is just getting better and better every day.
I too thought that the Vita would break me away from the Xperia PLAY. It's a nice handheld, but right now Sony's making a lot of mistakes with the Vita that currently causes Xperia PLAY's options to be far more enticing.
I see dual cores, I see quad cores, beastly screens, 3D screens and all kinds of things on newer phones... but when you see Shadowgun on the Xperia PLAY running just as nicely as it does on the Atrix, Galaxy S2 and GNex, you soon learn that there's currently no reason for all that.
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Just because one game is optimized to run better on an older phone, that doesn't mean that there's, "No reason for all that". The performance in everything else is a lot better with those phones. The only thing that I will miss about the Xperia play when I get my next phone is the gamepad.
If you enjoy casual gaming in any way, as well as emulating the old classics, this is the phone for you. If just you like having a phone that works really well, this is still the phone to get. It runs great as a phone and you have the option to use the physical buttons to play games on it. I don't understand how anyone wouldn't want that. Then again, I'm a gamer to the core, so my judgement is lopsided hah.
If you're looking for a powerful beast, the Play isn't there any longer. But the Play is future proof because in 5 years, the Play will keep being at least a portable emulator which can handle anything below N64 with nice controls.
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I just picked one up for 90$ on eBay and am really liking it other than the fact that it seems to have a weak signal compared to my iPhone 4 and drops 3g quite frequently on Verizon. I'm beating all the gba castlevania games at the moment and some Zelda ocarina of time. Any good suggestions?
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Sorry to but in but,
I'm getting the Play in 12 days upgrading from an Xperia 8 and to me, this seems like a good upgrade.
What di you guys think? The Play is €229 here, is there any other phone that is that price and better than the Play?
Thanks in advance
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Honestly, I'd wait to see if sony releases an XPlay2, or another phone with physical game pad. I think the phone has sold well enough to justify another iteration with more beefy specs (the afore-mentioned dual or quadcore, more internal space, and more ram).
But if you're absolutely desperate for a new phone, I'd get this one.
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Honestly, I'd wait to see if sony releases an XPlay2, or another phone with physical game pad. I think the phone has sold well enough to justify another iteration with more beefy specs (the afore-mentioned dual or quadcore, more internal space, and more ram).
But if you're absolutely desperate for a new phone, I'd get this one.
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At this point, I think I'll be getting the First Gen Play because I highly doubt that Sony will come out with a new Play within the next 12 days
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Great 2nd phone
I am a proud owner of a Samsung Galaxy Note, huge AMOLED HD screen, powerful dual core yada yada yada.. I was looking to buy a PS Vita, I mean the Galaxy Note plays games extremely well but there's no getting away from a dedicated hardware game pad being ultimately better for portable gaming.. But Sony are asking too much for compulsory memory cards and the game titles are truly wallet rinsing.
In comes the next best thing the Xperia Play and nicely doubles as a second phone. (I am still scared of showing the Note too much - in public, always a risk of having it snatched!) So today I ordered the Xperia Play for a very reasonable £170 and I think will satisfy me for a while
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Honestly, I'd wait to see if sony releases an XPlay2, or another phone with physical game pad. I think the phone has sold well enough to justify another iteration with more beefy specs (the afore-mentioned dual or quadcore, more internal space, and more ram).
But if you're absolutely desperate for a new phone, I'd get this one.
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IIRC Sony has basically said NO so far on an XPlay 2 of any sort. As far as is known its not in development at all, so it could be a looooong wait.
IrishStuff09 said:
Sorry to but in but,
I'm getting the Play in 12 days upgrading from an Xperia 8 and to me, this seems like a good upgrade.
What di you guys think? The Play is €229 here, is there any other phone that is that price and better than the Play?
Thanks in advance
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I upgraded from X8 to Play, I wasn't expecting it but I found it for a very cheap 150€.
I'm very happy with it, it's a big evolution, specially the screen size. I thought the fisical controls wouldn't be very important to me since I never played very much on my X8, but it does make a difference, it's simply great.
My thoughts for you are: if your looking for a nice performance, great gamming, nice screen size (not the best luminosity out doors, but it works) and amazing sound (the best I heard on a smartphone) and you have low budget like I did, go for this. If you want a powerful phone with the most amazing screen, you use your camera a lot, a phone with better functionality to compete with the current beasts in the market, I'd buy an Xperia S (too bad I had no money for it) or Xperia P
I like the Xperia Play and i'm gonna be holding on to it until another one like that hits the market.
The Xperia Play is an all rounder for me. I can surf the net watch videos nice 4'' inch not the best but its not that bad and the gamepad is a plus for me
Oh and Ice Cream Sandwich will be released as well
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I like the Xperia Play and i'm gonna be holding on to it until another one like that hits the market.
The Xperia Play is an all rounder for me. I can surf the net watch videos nice 4'' inch not the best but its not that bad and the gamepad is a plus for me
Oh and Ice Cream Sandwich will be released as well
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Indeed same for me - I bought the play about a month ago - specs are still enugh for me - and as i dont own a psp,.. neither my old beloved gameboy - I LOVE IT
But if u dont wan to carry around several devices - and are not one of those I NEED THE BIGGEST FASTEST AND HIGHEST guys - GET IT
Best allround handy for me - if u love console games
Hardware not too old - and nice and fluid - just a bit heavy
Btw - bought mine for 250€ - there are not many other similar hardware "speced" ( does it exist ) handys at that price anyway....
There are a lot of games in the Market that works on multiple devices, but so far what titles ive seen w/ is created for X-Play only is Experiment 13 or what, great titles are not ported to this device, games are limited and a lot of them are kids game. Final Fantasy Remake, Devil May Cry and a lot more names that popularized on PS are created by Japanese. Im quite disappointed getting this phone, for no reason i didnt get the play station satisfaction. Itll be much better if sony would own modifications for xplay such as camera mod and game keyboard.
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Mmh, Im pretty happy with play, It got vastly more support and was way more succesfull than Nokias Ngage and Ngage 2 software. Xplay perfected the formula and is heading to right direction.
Emulators work and there is few decent games on the market, I will be there buying Xplay 2 without hesistation
Granted, price was too high but there was multiple reasons, one being unique game pad that wasnt even mass producted before (I dont think they directly used PSP GO's model to create Xplay's plastics)
Besides, PS suite is yet to come, things might get interesting
After a year, few games ported ti xperia play,assassins creed and the devil may cry 4 fr. Japan... Oh yeah final fantasy also created on Japan and has english only for iPhone.
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I dont think those are PS suite content (just PS store)
PS suite just entered Open Beta, just wait till its open for public (other than for developers)
you should try using PSXPERIA, it could convert your backup images (.bin, .iso, .img) of Playstation games into an APK, and it will be integrated into your Playstation Pocket, take a look at this link to see how it works now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1530228
Besides using PSXPERIA, we can also play many HD games for ANDROID with the gamepad and even touchpad, it is the difference that we had and the others couldn't have it. you should try games that were published by Gameloft, EA, and Glu. they have many great games with many genre available..
Xperia Play is the best phone that i ever have, i bought it together with 2 of my friends, and one of them already sold it, because he didn't know how to maximize the potential of Xperia Play, you should try to use Stock Based Custom ROM, using PSXPERIA, and play Android HD Games in you XPeria Play
Regards
If you want games which don't treat you as a 13 year old, don't let 13 year olds (actually their parents) buy smartphones. Only now are we starting to see mature stuff (or at least parent-service of some kind) in video games, when some 30 year olds play with them.
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I'm lovin the phone
I'm sorry you don't get the joy out of the phone as the rest does.
But I honestly can't get your reason, you even say you are dissapointed for no reason... so
You can't get the playstation feeling? There are more than 300 android games out which work with the dpad, 300 games that your friends have to play via annoying touch controls. Even tho Shadowgun, Backstab, Gangster Rio and so on aren't playstation titles, they are awesome to play and no kid games... Besides.. you can play various Playstation games, FinalFantasy, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid to name just a few.
Plus All those other emulators SNES/N64/Dosbox/Sega which let you play classic games with the dpad... It's awesome!!! Here a quick round of Street Fighter on SNES, bit of Mario on N64, kill some zombies in resident evil....
You get a full android phone with all the goodies + an Univarsel pocket gaming machine <3
I guess you either love the phone, or do not care for its features in which case you shouldnt have got it in the first place.
Playstation Suite is not something that can be released as such, it is a developer program, enabling the users of Playstation Certified devices to download games from a community of developers, these developers, through the playstation suite SDK can take advantages of Playstation Services, however currently not trophies. These games will then be added to the Playstation Store on your XPlay.
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There are a lot of games in the Market that works on multiple devices, but so far what titles ive seen w/ is created for X-Play only is Experiment 13 or what, great titles are not ported to this device, games are limited and a lot of them are kids game. Final Fantasy Remake, Devil May Cry and a lot more names that popularized on PS are created by Japanese. Im quite disappointed getting this phone, for no reason i didnt get the play station satisfaction. Itll be much better if sony would own modifications for xplay such as camera mod and game keyboard.
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+1 , i'm agree with you , there is no sony's exclusive game .
i'm sure if samsung or htc were experienced enough on games as prefect as sony has , they allways wold make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many #1 games , and they would show off on their mobile-play technology !
i can't understand why sony with this huge experience on PS1, PS2 ,PS3 , psp and vita don't want to make its #1 games on xperia play ! or don't want to make a powerful xperia play !
our xperia play is really out of date for #1 games ...
Try Emus like FPSE (Y)
With those Emus you can play all these old but gold games like Tekken 3 or Wipeout 3 or somenthin else
I am one of those people who loves their play
I was under the impression that most people got the play for emulation, since Sony ALWAYS fails when it comes to mobile devices.
The ps3 isn't exactly doing well either.
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captain67 said:
I was under the impression that most people got the play for emulation, since Sony ALWAYS fails when it comes to mobile devices.
The ps3 isn't exactly doing well either.
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That's what I use mine for. Gamepad is perfect for it
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since Sony ALWAYS fails when it comes to mobile devices.
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What about the PSP? Despite what people say about it, it was an awesome little handheld
I got the Play as a good step up in Android technology.
I previously had an X8...
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What about the PSP? Despite what people say about it, it was an awesome little handheld
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When I say they fail, I mean the selection of games. The PSP was seriously lacking in selection of good titles. The PSP Go just made things worse.
And now look at the Play. Yes, the device itself is great, just like with the PSP, but really, how many good games has Sony released for it, or how many exclusives have we been given by their partners? Almost nothing. I don't consider gameloft adding a few pieces of code for our controllers a big deal, as their games are half-ass most of the time anyway.
And aside from the controller code, we haven't seen any optimization to make up for our modest hardware, so a lot of games lag. Yes you can fix some of it with overclocking, but that isn't something that should be required. A gaming device should be ready to handle games right out of the box, not require hacking to make them run at a playable fps rate. Had Sony worked harder to bring us optimizations, we wouldn't be having this problem.
And yes, optimized code really does make that much of a difference. Try this as an experiment, I dare you: Get GTA San Andreas for PC, and try running it with the same computer, but switch between two video cards of equal specs, one ATI, and one nvidia. It'll run one hell of a lot better on the nvidia card. Why? Because Rockstar Games optimized the game for NV cards.
The hardware isn't the issue. The issue is that Sony promises it's customers a lot of things that they never deliver. Where's our mobile PS suite? Where are all the exclusive games we were supposed to get? What about the original PlayStation titles that never showed up?
They did the same thing with the PS3. Look how long it took them to get a few decent games that weren't on every console. PS3 owners were led to believe they'd get the best game system on the planet, so they paid double the price of an Xbox, and what did they get? A bluray player that also has a few games they could have played on a console that costs half the price. Well, was half anyway. Not anymore, but how many years did it take?
I heard a few people say the devices will improve now that Ericsson is gone, but frankly I don't think that's the case. It seems highly likely that the Sony half of the company was playing a large part in the problems regarding updates, missing promised features etc. Seems all too obvious given their history with devices that were made solely by them.
It's not about hardware, it's about the user experience.
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When I say they fail, I mean the selection of games. The PSP was seriously lacking in selection of good titles. The PSP Go just made things worse.
And now look at the Play. Yes, the device itself is great, just like with the PSP, but really, how many good games has Sony released for it, or how many exclusives have we been given by their partners? Almost nothing. I don't consider gameloft adding a few pieces of code for our controllers a big deal, as their games are half-ass most of the time anyway.
And aside from the controller code, we haven't seen any optimization to make up for our modest hardware, so a lot of games lag. Yes you can fix some of it with overclocking, but that isn't something that should be required. A gaming device should be ready to handle games right out of the box, not require hacking to make them run at a playable fps rate. Had Sony worked harder to bring us optimizations, we wouldn't be having this problem.
And yes, optimized code really does make that much of a difference. Try this as an experiment, I dare you: Get GTA San Andreas for PC, and try running it with the same computer, but switch between two video cards of equal specs, one ATI, and one nvidia. It'll run one hell of a lot better on the nvidia card. Why? Because Rockstar Games optimized the game for NV cards.
The hardware isn't the issue. The issue is that Sony promises it's customers a lot of things that they never deliver. Where's our mobile PS suite? Where are all the exclusive games we were supposed to get? What about the original PlayStation titles that never showed up?
They did the same thing with the PS3. Look how long it took them to get a few decent games that weren't on every console. PS3 owners were led to believe they'd get the best game system on the planet, so they paid double the price of an Xbox, and what did they get? A bluray player that also has a few games they could have played on a console that costs half the price. Well, was half anyway. Not anymore, but how many years did it take?
I heard a few people say the devices will improve now that Ericsson is gone, but frankly I don't think that's the case. It seems highly likely that the Sony half of the company was playing a large part in the problems regarding updates, missing promised features etc. Seems all too obvious given their history with devices that were made solely by them.
It's not about hardware, it's about the user experience.
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oh ,thanks god , finally i've find someone that have same opinion with me!
i'm agree with you my friend .
on my opinion , we had bought xperia play (as a gamer ) cause we love sony's exclusive games , sony promised a lot of games ...
i always was with sony , from playstation1,ps2,psp ....till now(ps3) . i'm personally waiting (for one year ) to see a sony's exclusive game . but nothing happened !
as capitan67 said above , we have to root , convert game's image... but what sony have done ?!
after one year , they have forgotten all promises and just lunch TAKKEN1 with some of useless games !
hey guys , does sony kidding us ?! what can we do with TAKKEN 1, why medievil 1 ?! ...
i can remember 2 years age , when i had bought X10 mini pro and what SonyEricsson had done with us on X10 series .
i though thought this time , sony will make all promises true !
excuse me if my English is bad , i don't want to blame sony , i'm still with sony , i just wanna say that we don't need GAMELOFT or other mobile-game-developer. i prefer to play n64 , ps1 , snes games will all long and nice story instead of gameloft... low level's game.
i could buy a galasy s2 , or galaxy note if i want to play mobile-global games , cause that's display screen is much better, also cpu ang GPu ...
i had bought xperia play , cause i'm GAMER , i love SONY'S GAMES , i LOVE SONY'S EXCLUSIVE games . ..
i don't know , what sony will promise to us on xperia play 2 ?!?
But maybe you should enjoy this device
However, xplay is the only phone which has the keyboard game, just like the PS. And that's so cool
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I'm going iPhone after this device so I don't have to deal with this Sony not fulfilling our promises crap. Never had a problem with Apple. I will still buy Sony's consoles though.
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I think the real reason why Sony has not been able to release any good games via the PlayStation Pocket App for the Xperia Play, such as FF7 or FF8, is because unlike releasing these games on a console like a PlayStation 3 or a PSP, which has their own custom OSs [operating systems] the Xperia Play runs Android. Releasing FF7 or a big game like that for the Play would be like releasing it for Android. In no time every other Android user would have access to the game. I think a developer like Square Enix would much prefer charging $10-$20 for FF7 on iOS [iPhone,] which supposedly has more customers willing to pay for that content. It's really not Sony's fault, it's actually the game developers. Just look at what Square Enix has done with iOS. They have released multiple Final Fantasy games, created an RPG specifically for the platform [Chaos Rings,] all while pretty much ignoring Android. It's not so much that the developers are ignoring the Xperia Play, they are in fact really ignoring Android.
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you should try using PSXPERIA, it could convert your backup images (.bin, .iso, .img) of Playstation games into an APK, and it will be integrated into your Playstation Pocket, take a look at this link to see how it works now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1530228
Besides using PSXPERIA, we can also play many HD games for ANDROID with the gamepad and even touchpad, it is the difference that we had and the others couldn't have it. you should try games that were published by Gameloft, EA, and Glu. they have many great games with many genre available..
Xperia Play is the best phone that i ever have, i bought it together with 2 of my friends, and one of them already sold it, because he didn't know how to maximize the potential of Xperia Play, you should try to use Stock Based Custom ROM, using PSXPERIA, and play Android HD Games in you XPeria Play
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+1
I'm agree with this
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How many here think the XPlay has been a flop? I look at the list of XPlay optimized games, and I don't that much high quality console like games for it...at least any that I really REALLY I to play...
No
Maybe the Xperia Play has not done too well in terms of good quality games released on the Games for Playstation or any other Xperia Play optimized games but it still has its pros. It's perfect for a guy like me who loves to play NES and SNES games with emulators or even PSOne games on FPSe.
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How many here think the XPlay has been a flop? I look at the list of XPlay optimized games, and I don't that much high quality console like games for it...at least any that I really REALLY I to play...
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Blablabla "Xplay with one year old = Xplay is a fail, is ****, is horrible".
If you get a Samsung Galaxy S3 you will find the same games but with some better graphics. And you will have to play using the touchscreen. xD
I'm tired of all people that thought that the Xplay is some kind of console. The Xplay is a normal Android mobile, with gaming controls to play more confortably the same games for another normal Android mobiles. END. It wasn't going to have exclusive games made only for it and it will never have them. So now you know what it really is, has it really been a fail? It has tons of games compatible with its physical controls (few phones have this preferent treatment). Stop just seeing the dark side of all!
If you want high quality console games and a phone then glue your desired mobile phone to a Playstation Vita or a Nintendo 3DS.
Oh, and learn to enjoy what you buy. People is begining to think it's normal to throw away their smartphones (and other similar devices) after one year (or less!) of use just because they are tired of them. That's an enormous waste of resources.
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Blablabla "Xplay with one year old = Xplay is a fail, is ****, is horrible".
If you get a Samsung Galaxy S3 you will find the same games but with some better graphics. And you will have to play using the touchscreen. xD
I'm tired of all people that thought that the Xplay is some kind of console. The Xplay is a normal Android mobile, with gaming controls to play more confortably the same games for another normal Android mobiles. END. It wasn't going to have exclusive games made only for it and it will never have them. So now you know what it really is, has it really been a fail? It has tons of games compatible with its physical controls (few phones have this preferent treatment). Stop just seeing the dark side of all!
If you want high quality console games and a phone then glue your desired mobile phone to a Playstation Vita or a Nintendo 3DS.
Oh, and learn to enjoy what you buy. People is begining to think it's normal to throw away their smartphones (and other similar devices) after one year (or less!) of use just because they are tired of them. That's an enormous waste of resources.
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Well said
Oh and one more thing I just wanna thank Sony Ericsson for making the Xperia Play cause this is the only smartphone out there that has a physical gamepad unless of course if in the future HTC or Sony come out with something.
But for now I can boast that I have smartphone with a gamepad !
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Well said
Oh and one more thing I just wanna thank Sony Ericsson for making the Xperia Play cause this is the only smartphone out there that has a physical gamepad unless of course if in the future HTC or Sony come out with something.
But for now I can boast that I have smartphone with a gamepad !
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Although HTC said it will no longer be making slider phones, I doubt they will make a new Play
Sony seems to be running out of design ideas, so I hope they see the Play as a new opportunity to get back into the playing field. Xperia Ion looks like its going to bomb 10x harder than the Play ever would.
If Sony/Microsoft can create another good Gaming Phone, I would love to purchase it.
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Although HTC said it will no longer be making slider phones, I doubt they will make a new Play
Sony seems to be running out of design ideas, so I hope they see the Play as a new opportunity to get back into the playing field. Xperia Ion looks like its going to bomb 10x harder than the Play ever would.
If Sony/Microsoft can create another good Gaming Phone, I would love to purchase it.
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Yeah but a new gaming smartphone looks a million miles away unfortunately.
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Blablabla "Xplay with one year old = Xplay is a fail, is ****, is horrible".
If you get a Samsung Galaxy S3 you will find the same games but with some better graphics. And you will have to play using the touchscreen. xD
I'm tired of all people that thought that the Xplay is some kind of console. The Xplay is a normal Android mobile, with gaming controls to play more confortably the same games for another normal Android mobiles. END. It wasn't going to have exclusive games made only for it and it will never have them. So now you know what it really is, has it really been a fail? It has tons of games compatible with its physical controls (few phones have this preferent treatment). Stop just seeing the dark side of all!
If you want high quality console games and a phone then glue your desired mobile phone to a Playstation Vita or a Nintendo 3DS.
Oh, and learn to enjoy what you buy. People is begining to think it's normal to throw away their smartphones (and other similar devices) after one year (or less!) of use just because they are tired of them. That's an enormous waste of resources.
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Your post is completely wrong. The device was supposed to be a gaming device. They promised us the PlayStation store and lots of PS titles but we never got them. Also if it wasn't supposed to be a gaming device then why did they even waste their money and time on a gamepad for the device. A device with PlayStation controls is a gaming device. Personally I like my play. Many games are out for it and are play optimized. So people saying there aren't many games for it need to search a little more. There is tons. And I haven't found another device with better sound than the play. Those stereo speaker have such a clear sound to it and have amazing bass. All other devices sound like they are being played underwater or sound like they are being played through a tin can. Yes SE scammed us all by not giving us what they said they would. And also the play had many games threat were play exclusives like minecraft and a few games from THD devices. If Sony were to keep up and give us what they said they were then maybe the device would've done better. If they brought more ps titles out then yes it would've done well even with outdated hardware which to me doesn't bother me in the slightest as there are very very very few games or apps that need a quad core with 1gig of ram. It's a phone not a laptop or pc. The Play is what you make of it. And mine is good as like what I have got. ICS not being given does not bother me in the slightest as ICS isn't all that great anyway. It lags because it's a RAM hog. And it's a juice drinker. GB runs better and uses less power as it isn't constantly trying to sort background processes out etc.....
Anyways that's my two cents or should I say two dollars
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God damn to many aspiring writer's on here. It's a first generation phone the one and only with physical pads. I'm thirty and hopefully will live another fifty years and ya its done. Technology is moving fast. Oh my God there will never be another phone with game pads. Look further into the future and not just a year or two ahead. I can't wait. Hopefully I can get a new liver in twenty because I drank my away.
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Commercially, I'd say so. But for those ill-concerned with sales, Xperia Play brings a LOT to the table that'll make the sales-counters stop caring. You can find other physical controller solutions out there for other smartphones, but they don't really do much aside from let you play emulators with buttons. That's good for classic games, but we're in a modern era.
Xperia Play's the absolute best smartphone gaming option for people who want MORE than classic gaming. Yeah, it's good for emulators... but you can beat dead horses with a PSP, GP32, OpenPandora, Dingoo A320, JXD S7100, Yinlips YDPG18 or any smartphone on this planet that has bluetooth... Xperia Play's about the only one that's good for people who don't just want to beat dead horses... but rather want to take advantage of that 854x480 screen and modern day improvements in game mechanics.
And when we insert that factor, no other gaming phone allows us to play MODERN games like Dead Space, Sonic 4, Shadowgun, King of Fighters, N.O.V.A. 3 and the like as well as Xperia Play does... they'll, at best, have under 50 "general d-pad compatibility" titles under their belt, but not a single one of them has hundreds of games relieved from lame-ass touch controls like Xperia Play does.
...and as crazy as it sounds, my fresh, revolutionary, beautiful Vita is getting monumentally less playtime than my Xperia Play. So yeah... might not be doing hot in sales, but as far as software support goes... I don't see this locomotive stopping any time soon.
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Commercially, I'd say so. But for those ill-concerned with sales, Xperia Play brings a LOT to the table that'll make the sales-counters stop caring. You can find other physical controller solutions out there for other smartphones, but they don't really do much aside from let you play emulators with buttons. That's good for classic games, but we're in a modern era.
Xperia Play's the absolute best smartphone gaming option for people who want MORE than classic gaming. Yeah, it's good for emulators... but you can beat dead horses with a PSP, GP32, OpenPandora, Dingoo A320, JXD S7100, Yinlips YDPG18 or any smartphone on this planet that has bluetooth... Xperia Play's about the only one that's good for people who don't just want to beat dead horses... but rather want to take advantage of that 854x480 screen and modern day improvements in game mechanics.
And when we insert that factor, no other gaming phone allows us to play MODERN games like Dead Space, Sonic 4, Shadowgun, King of Fighters, N.O.V.A. 3 and the like as well as Xperia Play does... they'll, at best, have under 50 "general d-pad compatibility" titles under their belt, but not a single one of them has hundreds of games relieved from lame-ass touch controls like Xperia Play does.
...and as crazy as it sounds, my fresh, revolutionary, beautiful Vita is getting monumentally less playtime than my Xperia Play. So yeah... might not be doing hot in sales, but as far as software support goes... I don't see this locomotive stopping any time soon.
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Amen, well said. I absolutely love my Xperia PLAY. Yeah it doesnt have the top of the line specs but who cares. This things rocks. I hate touchscreen controls. Absolutely hate them. However on my phone......awesome. Love it. Nuff said. Appreciate what you have and enjoy it.
Only God knows where the next PLAY, or PLAY-like device will come from. It could be Nintendo of all people, I mean they really don't have anything to lose. Either way, the PLAY, in my mind is falling short due to the fact that you can now use wireless gamepads on their tablets or phones, the PLAYs lack of HDMI compatibility, and other unnecessary features like HD sound, although HDMI should have been added to non-dev phones. So in other words the plays capabilities can be achieved by buying some additional accessories. So, unfortunately, I doubt that Sony alone will attempt to develop a PLAY 2, unless it turns into a last resort, as it is obviously not their biggest concern. I would try to keep som hope though.
I do agree that the play is the most supported phone when it comes to games like N.O.V.A., but as time passes, the hw gets a little more outdated, and after so long android 5.0 will come along, and gb will more or less be phased out by developers. Aside from that, it definitely rocks, especially when people look and ask "Woah, what is that?". Makes my day.
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Leraeniesh said:
Although HTC said it will no longer be making slider phones, I doubt they will make a new Play
Sony seems to be running out of design ideas, so I hope they see the Play as a new opportunity to get back into the playing field. Xperia Ion looks like its going to bomb 10x harder than the Play ever would.
If Sony/Microsoft can create another good Gaming Phone, I would love to purchase it.
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I was hoping HTC and Sony might possibly collaborate, but I hadn't heard about their slider discontinuation. Hopefully, they'll make an exception. Samsung wouldn't be bad either, but I doubt they have any interest in such things.
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I was hoping HTC and Sony might possibly collaborate, but I hadn't heard about their slider discontinuation. Hopefully, they'll make an exception. Samsung wouldn't be bad either, but I doubt they have any interest in such things.
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http://www.smartkeitai.com/microsoft-windows-phone-patent-with-interchangeable-keyboard-gamepad/
Microsoft could be our best hope
i'm still hoping to have new xperia play (( mybe by other name : xperia PSP , psp phone ... ))
i'm wondering , there is so many eager people that count the days and crossing finger for next (high-end) gameing phone , but sony still haven't plan on that .
i'm really in love with my beautiful xperia play , but i will it could be possible to change the CPU and RAM , like desktop , couse today , it's really out of date( H/W )
Portable emu.
On live.
Best in class GPS
Awesome android smartphone
720p camera and video
Game pad.
Low price in 2012
Who can ask for anything more?
Psp games? Who gives a crap because I sure don't.
Haters who own one there are few and mostly just forum trolls. How's your HDMI mehdi?
Hater who don't have one. Just jelly I got one and you don't. Oh look another head shot, ya man that's a play owner.
Xperia Play is now an outdated phone. New games doesnot seem to support play because it has an old gpu and only a single core cpu.
I think sony should come up with a new "XPERIA PLAY 2" which should have a 4.8" 720p HD screen, 1.5GB RAM, 1.6GHz Quad-Core CPU and TEGRA 3 GPU. It will be a beast, even better than PS vita...!!!!
P.s: I dont know why you people hate touch screen gaming. I love it. I reached "Rank 70 with more than 6000 kills" at modern combat 3 multiplayer" within only a month on my S2...!
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DD-Ripper said:
Xperia Play is now an outdated phone. New games doesnot seem to support play because it has an old gpu and only a single core cpu.
I think sony should come up with a new "XPERIA PLAY 2" which should have a 4.8" 720p HD screen, 1.5GB RAM, 1.6GHz Quad-Core CPU and TEGRA 3 GPU. It will be a beast, even better than PS vita...!!!!
P.s: I dont know why you people hate touch screen gaming. I love it. I reached "Rank 70 with more than 6000 kills" at modern combat 3 multiplayer" within only a month on my S2...!
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We hate touch screen gaming cause we are all gamers and need physical buttons !
i love the play.
it would have been perfect for me if it had launched with 1giga Rams and at least 2gb storage.
I'm kinda over the low RAM and will most likely upgrade to the hayabusa when it becomes available.
If Microsoft made a gaming phone..... It would dominate and blow away all competitors, even phones like the S3. But they don't even have a foot in the handheld battlefield YET. So it's probably not gonna happen for a long time. Xplay is cool and yeah people get bored of it quite easily. But I look at it as the stepping stone for much greater things ahead. Just hope I'll be alive and not have crazy arthritis or something to be able to enjoy it. Our kids are gonna have some crazy high tech stuff when we're all old and they'll take our places in these forums lol.
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We hate touch screen gaming cause we are all gamers and need physical buttons !
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Then why you people buy touchscreen phones??
Whats wrong with qwerty keypad phones..? They have physical buttons.!
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So i was just browsing around and apparently XOLO is releasing a new gaming phone. At first i was excited cause the name was "XOLO Play" and i don't know about you guys but that very sounded familiar. So yeah with my heart full of hope and my head full of dreams i clicked on the link, and thats when i got angry. NO PHYSICAL CONTROLS!!!!!!! Come on now, just cause you call it a gaming phone doesn't make it a gaming phone, and if you are going to call it a gaming (no physical controls) phone at least give is some out of this world sick specs. These don't even compare to the latest phones let alone make it a genuine gaming phone. Compare this to the HTC ONE, Sony Xperia Z, or the Samsung GS4 and it pretty much nothing.
Are you guys feeling the same way about these so called "Gaming Phones"?
http://www.techtree.com/content/news/4114/xolo-play-nvidia-tegra-3-smartphone-launching.html
XPERIA PLAY 2 WHERE ARE YOU?
yeah it's a pity
i would use my old nokia and buy a gcw zero handheld instead of buying a high-tech phone when my play dies. just bought the play for emulation on the go.
it's my new n-gage (had both of them ) as it should be - just a lot more fragile
i'll buy that on first day , if that has physical gamepad.
but how ! how a phone can serve to gamers without pgysical game pad ????!!1
suerly , without gamepad , xperia ZU is much better that it ....
where is xoeria play 2
I think there will be no Xperia play. Sony decided to join that race for fast and thinner handset, there no room for chunky gaming phone for nerds
But seriously, if not Sony there will be other manufacturer. When you look how games develop on Google Play market. I know majority of people play Angry birds, Candy crush saga etc. so they don't need pad to play. But from other side you got games like MC, NOVA or even DH, that games played smearing your fingers on screen seems wrong and these games need proper gamepad.
Btw. found this on YT, interesting concept:
at the moment i don't think there is a profitable market for aaa console class games. since android seriously has to deal with piracy and every dev seem to push the price even lower. it came so far that newer games have to use in app purchases to get the development costs back in.
a market could be created however. when some bin manufactures decide to do real gaming devices like a psp vita.
or we need something like steam on android where the consumer base is already there (linux gaming is coming because of this - so will the 3d drivers for linux be improved over time because the market is there).
there are actually a few android gaming devices (especially in china). also the new handheld from nvidia is based on android. i wouldn't say there won't be any real gaming phone in the future.
I believe there will never be another phone with gaming controls built in. As far as buying a regular phone to game on, you can't beat an inexpensive Nexus 4. There's lots of them used up for sale. With a Snapdragon S4 Pro quadcore and 2Gb of ram, it really is a gaming powerhouse. You can't get anything close to that price.
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I think there will be no Xperia play. Sony decided to join that race for fast and thinner handset, there no room for chunky gaming phone for nerds
But seriously, if not Sony there will be other manufacturer. When you look how games develop on Google Play market. I know majority of people play Angry birds, Candy crush saga etc. so they don't need pad to play. But from other side you got games like MC, NOVA or even DH, that games played smearing your fingers on screen seems wrong and these games need proper gamepad.
Btw. found this on YT, interesting concept:
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at the moment i don't think there is a profitable market for aaa console class games. since android seriously has to deal with piracy and every dev seem to push the price even lower. it came so far that newer games have to use in app purchases to get the development costs back in.
a market could be created however. when some bin manufactures decide to do real gaming devices like a psp vita.
or we need something like steam on android where the consumer base is already there (linux gaming is coming because of this - so will the 3d drivers for linux be improved over time because the market is there).
there are actually a few android gaming devices (especially in china). also the new handheld from nvidia is based on android. i wouldn't say there won't be any real gaming phone in the future.
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Interesting video but a few thinks wrong no L/R triggers and no joystick/touchpads also its windows but still interesting.
Yeah there are ALOT of android gaming devices but we want a android gaming phone.
Also the xperia play 2 could be thin if if they wanted too. That would also make the phone slightly uncomfortable though, but thats the good thing about android customization and variety it fat phones just down right sicken you then go get a different phone, but i want gaming controls so a fat phone sounds fine to me.
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I'm so confused...
How can they label that a 'Gaming' smartphone? Specifications of other smartphones far surpass that of the XOLO Play and considering it lacks any form of hardware controller it is no different to every other phone that is released at the moment.
Not to mention the 12 core ULV GPU is seriously crap in the Tegra 3. It's not much better than the Adreno 205 in my opinion. CPU is great though...
They got peoples attention lol
I think i'll keep my money for something else
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yeah it's a pity
i would use my old nokia and buy a gcw zero handheld instead of buying a high-tech phone when my play dies. just bought the play for emulation on the go.
it's my new n-gage (had both of them ) as it should be - just a lot more fragile
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Same here, had both N-gages as well.
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