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iphone os 4 vs froyo

Do you think think there will be anything in the ios4 that will be very unexpected? I think just the implementation of multitasking will be a big improvement for iphone users. Hopefully froyo will get all Android phones up to the same OS level. I am expecting that Gingerbread to be the version that brings a UI overhaul and many other features.

All this competition will benefit us a lot

it's not the OS, its the apps and android is seriously missing the apps. i want to stick with android so bad but the quality of the apps as compared to iphone is pathetic. i hope this changes or i'll be back to apple.

pnd4pnd said:
it's not the OS, its the apps and android is seriously missing the apps. i want to stick with android so bad but the quality of the apps as compared to iphone is pathetic. i hope this changes or i'll be back to apple.
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I agree with you on that android seriously needs to attract some more app developers. Not switching back to apple though.

pnd4pnd said:
it's not the OS, its the apps and android is seriously missing the apps. i want to stick with android so bad but the quality of the apps as compared to iphone is pathetic. i hope this changes or i'll be back to apple.
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I only partially agree. Which apps are present in the Apple Store that are not present in Android Market are you referring to?

Even if the iPhone 4G isn't better than the Nexus, the news and media will make it so that it is better than the Nexus in every shape way and form. Though, that app thing is true - but I do prefer free over paid. App developers have been iWashed by Apple, they won't switch to Android till they really need to.
Don't see why they won't just port their apps though, that way they would be making twice the money..

Most of the games by Gameloft and EA games arn't on android yet.

where to start...
not available:
cbs sports
southwest airlines
beejive
dish network dvr
quality sucks
facebook
msnbc
usatoday
this is just off the top of my head. i dont care about games whatsoever. even the apps that are there don't have the professional look the iphone apps have. google needs to do something to attract developers....

HEY OHHH.... Let the games begin!
Personally, I am excited to see what the future brings us. I know that no matter what, i will be buying the iPhone HD (supposedly, thats its name), and the next google product. Let the games begin!

Just use a bookmark for SWA. Mobile site looks just like an app.

pnd4pnd said:
where to start...
not available:
cbs sports
southwest airlines
beejive
dish network dvr
quality sucks
facebook
msnbc
usatoday
this is just off the top of my head. i dont care about games whatsoever. even the apps that are there don't have the professional look the iphone apps have. google needs to do something to attract developers....
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Where to start:
Available:
Flyscreen
shopsavy
Goggles
Beatiful Widgets
SetCPU
xScope Browser
GDE
Starfield 3D Live Wallpaper
Gesture Searh
I own a Ipod Touch and I can tell you Android have more useful apps than Iphone,but is safe to say they are even.Now in games is different,Android needs Gameloft.

android has beejive. i just uninstalled it 2 days ago...

android has beejive. i just uninstalled it two days ago

Yeah seriously, the Android Marketplace is pathetic in comparison to the AppStore. Half of the apps are "crapps" that are essentially apps using the built in web-browser going to a website.
There's a browser. What's the point of building an app that just goes to one web-page anyway? If iPhone OS 4.0 gets multi-tasking, that will totally neuter the only advantage Android has over the iPhone.
The app quality is lacking. The media player is crap and Google has no good way for me to sync and manage my media unlike the iPhone. And because it's Google, and their revenue does come from people using their web-services, there will be no incentive for them to favour the Android over the iPhone when it comes to the provision of their services. An example of this would be gmail, contacts and calendars push synchronisation. What used to be a unique feature of the Android phone is now available on the iPhone. Pretty much anything I can do on the Android, I can do on the iPhone.

I prefer the ability to mold the os to my needs not mold my needs to the os. This is the major downfall of the iphone for me and I suspect many others, I just cant fiddle around with it enough to satisfy. Unless that changes the iphone will have to spit out naked & horny supermodels before Im on the wagon. Now assuming THAT happens I will be more than willing to set aside my differences.

Agree with the app issue, it needs to have more developers becoming involved.

pnd4pnd said:
where to start...
not available:
cbs sports
southwest airlines
beejive
dish network dvr
quality sucks
facebook
msnbc
usatoday
this is just off the top of my head. i dont care about games whatsoever. even the apps that are there don't have the professional look the iphone apps have. google needs to do something to attract developers....
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Well if you stay an Android user, you'll continue to build an Android user base.
Once that % of users gets high enough, you'll see that developers realize they ought to port their app to the other system. Hence certain cool apps like Swype, Facebook, Digg realize this and have made apps for both platforms.
So yeah, just stay on Android and support a bit more

xanatos00 said:
Well if you stay an Android user, you'll continue to build an Android user base.
Once that % of users gets high enough, you'll see that developers realize they ought to port their app to the other system. Hence certain cool apps like Swype, Facebook, Digg realize this and have made apps for both platforms.
So yeah, just stay on Android and support a bit more
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I read an interesting article that a lot of the top iPhone app developers are not working on iPad stuff because they are too focused on developing Android. Android seems to have hit a tipping point, and is taking off really fast and furiously. Give it 6 months to a year, and we won't have anymore fan boys flaming our forums with "we have more apps and a better app store" BS.
Want to talk about pointless apps, App Store has them too... how many fart apps? How many "ring-tone packs" counted as an "app"?

i'm kinda disappointed

the quality of the android market is really disappointing. the ratio of quality apps to apps that are pointless and just...there, is staggering.
ugh.

I felt that way all the way back when I had my G1 lol. I have a few core apps that I use on all of my phones though, and they are pretty much all I need.
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I guess I've never had a problem with sifting. Between poking around here, doing some web searches for popular/interesting apps, and and looking at apps from the developers whose apps I like, I've yet to get completely bored with the market and checking out apps.
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urfavoritemazn said:
the quality of the android market is really disappointing. the ratio of quality apps to apps that are pointless and just...there, is staggering.
ugh.
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Keep in mind that android is fairly new. They are right next to apple which has been out for years. They are trying new things don't worry bro things will turn around. The thing I like about Android is that its not as territorial as apple is. You have a lot more freedom.
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the open sourceness is definitely an upside. i just wish there was a way to filter out all the sh**ty apps that are in the market.

urfavoritemazn said:
the open sourceness is definitely an upside. i just wish there was a way to filter out all the sh**ty apps that are in the market.
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I agree. You should be able to sort them by ratings or number of downloads.

Try to use alternative market interfaces like AppBrain.com , they filter the crap out for you, you can chose apps on PC and then sync them to your phone in a batch and more. Definitely makes the experience much closer to appstore.

Yeah...because the iApp store doesn't have any **** apps.....anyone need another fart machine?

Sure the iStore is not far behind in crapps but at least the search function results have *some* relevancy. Finding apps on android market without knowing the exact name is very unpleasant.. hell even if you know the name you get 50 less relevant results up front sometimes.
That's where appbrain comes in

I love android but our apps are nowhere near the same quality. The only app i have seen properly ported to android is angry birds.

Well I'd hate to say it but fragmentation has a lot to do with the lack of quality apps. IMO devs just don't want to get involved as they have to code for some many different slight variations of our OS and devices vs just one from you know who.

opensourcefan said:
Well I'd hate to say it but fragmentation has a lot to do with the lack of quality apps. IMO devs just don't want to get involved as they have to code for some many different slight variations of our OS and devices vs just one from you know who.
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But is that not just the same as having different iOS firmwares?
I have a iPhone 3G with firmware on iOS 3.1.3, an iPod touch with firmware on iOS 3.1.2, an iPhone 4 on firmware iOS 4.1 etc?
Its not as if they are coding for a completely different platform are they? and its not even the back end of the software which I feel android is weak. In fact I think the working function aspect of a lot of the android software is superior because it can be (without all those restrictions that the AppStore has), however its the User Interfaces/User Experience where very little time has been spent. It seems like in some apps its still just an afterthought.
I guess I will see how it goes.

urfavoritemazn said:
the quality of the android market is really disappointing. the ratio of quality apps to apps that are pointless and just...there, is staggering.
ugh.
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This statement could probably be made about nearly anything you can buy in America. When you shop for books or music or clothing, or anything, 99+% of what's available are "pointless" to any given individual. Do we need 1000 cereals to choose from in the grocery store? No, but Choice comes with the downside of having to filter and hone in on what fits your needs.
AppBrain is the easiest answer to your concern for now. Not only are there various ways to sort and filter the apps, but recommendations are made based on your personal app selection history.
Though it takes more work, reading forums and reviews of apps (and asking others for advice) gets you all the information you'd ever need.

crysalis786 said:
But is that not just the same as having different iOS firmwares?
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Yes but in a much smaller scale. Here we have the same different os versions as well the addition of manufactures own software tweaks ie Sense, Touchwiz etc... all on top of many different devices with lots of different major components.
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we should get it now...!!!!!

hello
i have idea for great idea !
if u jailbreak iPhone u will get cydia
if u root android u will get superuser
why android dosen't have app like cydia ?? cydia is awsome
on android if any developer have idea just he added on his rom..if we have app like cydia the developer will put his idea on android cydia
u can slide any notification to remove it on CM7 (if we have cydia this advantage will be in android cydia)
there are many script and tweeks in this formus and other forums..Hopes to see the script and tweeks in one application

What?
Cydia isn't an app as such, it's essentially an alternate marketplace for apps that Apple wouldn't allow on their store, and quite a few pirated ones too.
Google already has several alternate marketplaces, and you DON'T even have to root your device to use them, so really, what the hell are you on about?

-juanito- said:
hello
i have idea for great idea !
if u jailbreak iPhone u will get cydia
if u root android u will get superuser
why android dosen't have app like cydia ?? cydia is awsome
on android if any developer have idea just he added on his rom..if we have app like cydia the developer will put his idea on android cydia
u can slide any notification to remove it on CM7 (if we have cydia this advantage will be in android cydia)
there are many script and tweeks in this formus and other forums..Hopes to see the script and tweeks in one application
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You know why it cydia works like that? Because it only has to support ONE handset. Android however, have MANY handsets in different configuration (touchscreen, hardware keyboard, etc.), different processors, different GPU, different display hardware, different resolutions and a lot more different from handset to handset. One program that works in one handset does not mean it will work in another. One rooting program in Android does not work on all handsets running android. Your request is impossible at best.

Cydia is a repository of apps that aren't permitted for AppStore. Market isn't so restrictive, so there is no need for "underground" Market.

cydia not for pirated apps !! installous for pirated apps
can add many advantages from cydia for your phone

Brut.all said:
Cydia is a repository of apps that aren't permitted for AppStore. Market isn't so restrictive, so there is no need for "underground" Market.
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cydia not just for apps !! apps & tweeks

theo80 said:
You know why it cydia works like that? Because it only has to support ONE handset. Android however, have MANY handsets in different configuration (touchscreen, hardware keyboard, etc.), different processors, different GPU, different display hardware, different resolutions and a lot more different from handset to handset. One program that works in one handset does not mean it will work in another. One rooting program in Android does not work on all handsets running android. Your request is impossible at best.
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if any one out his tweek on android cydia he should be write [Program requirements]

-juanito- said:
can add many advantages from cydia for your phone
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just like the android market... there is a fundamental difference in the two platforms that makes the idea of cydia not needed on android. most of the apps that you can only find on cydia are just available in the android market.

FloatingFatMan said:
What?
Cydia isn't an app as such, it's essentially an alternate marketplace for apps that Apple wouldn't allow on their store, and quite a few pirated ones too.
Google already has several alternate marketplaces, and you DON'T even have to root your device to use them, so really, what the hell are you on about?
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Bingo. (10char)

Please guys take it seriously
i mean Android OS should be have store like cydia
we can download from him tweeks and other things
on iOS 4 u can't make folder and on this folder 3 folders (with cydia u can)
and from safari u can't download any thing (with cydia u can download from safari)

-juanito- said:
Please guys take it seriously
i mean Android OS should be have store like cydia
we can download from him tweeks and other things
on iOS 4 u can't make folder and on this folder 3 folders (with cydia u can)
and from safari u can't download any thing (with cydia u can download from safari)
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The reason there isnt a "Cydia" for Android is because android is an open system, if you wanted an App or Tweak you can Download the APK's and ZIP's freely online through the phone whereas iOS is closed and very restrictive, also bearing in mind the Amount of Android Versions and handsets in use today (loads!) compared with iOS. its not Feasable as there will be major compatability issues

-juanito- said:
Please guys take it seriously
i mean Android OS should be have store like cydia
we can download from him tweeks and other things
on iOS 4 u can't make folder and on this folder 3 folders (with cydia u can)
and from safari u can't download any thing (with cydia u can download from safari)
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Wow. The more you say the more i feel this is a joke. Some ios android trolling.
I think you are confusing what cydia does with what jailbreaking does. Cydia is just an alternative app store for stuff that would never get into the apple app store because of their strict guidelines. It is made possible by the jailbreaking of the device.
If that is what you want there are many alternative app stores for android. And you won't even need root.
From something awesome

-juanito- said:
we can download from him tweeks and other things
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You can download tweaks from Android Market. Do you read what people say?
-juanito- said:
on iOS 4 u can't make folder and on this folder 3 folders (with cydia u can)
and from safari u can't download any thing (with cydia u can download from safari)
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You can do these things without any "Cydia for Android" - Android supports them natively. Same for most of other tweaks for iOS.

i know android have tweeks ! but not like iOS
guys..understand me
u can't download pictures from Facebook for iOS (there r tool from cydia make u download the pictures from the same app)
iOS have tweeks on one store [cydia] and u can download him from the same device
xda forums,droid forums and other forums have scripts, tweeks, other things..we need all than on one place one store
so we should get store have:
Mods
Tweeks
Scripts
Hack

-juanito- said:
i know android have tweeks ! but not like iOS
guys..understand me
u can't download pictures from Facebook for iOS (there r tool from cydia make u download the pictures from the same app)
iOS have tweeks on one store [cydia] and u can download him from the same device
xda forums,droid forums and other forums have scripts, tweeks, other things..we need all than on one place one store
so we should get store have:
Mods
Tweeks
Scripts
Hack
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Please understand:
This would be impossible due to the oh say 200 android devices compared to the say 6 of iOS. To make it even harder there are multiple android versions and each version has multiple sub versions (CM, or Sense, or TouchWiz, etc)
Basically what I am hearing from you is "I am lazy and want to have everything in one app that would be so huge that it would be even slower the Cydia"
Go open Cydia and see how it takes a while to load?

Everything you can do on cydia with a jailbrken iphone you can do on a rooted android device but 10x better and 10x as much stuff. enough said.
From someone who has an iphone and android devices
Edit: I mean seriously? it wouldnt be feasible "LIKE EVERYONE ELSE SAID" cydia works and can host tweaks because its one set of software and even cydia is starting to get limitations (some apps dont work on ipad or ios5 b2 isnt supported or you need ios4 etc) Just think how this would be with 200 plus devices?? and every tweak your naming..downloading pics from facebook for example you can ALREADY do without a rooted phone just go to facebook from the web browser...and thats another tweak downloading things from the browser android has it without any superuser privleges!
Think about this there is no want or need for something like this in the android community.
Edit again: BTW its "Tweaks" not "tweeks" sorry a little irritating lol

There's just too many devices and too much stuff to be able to accomplish this on Android.
Sent from my Fascinate with MIUI Gingerbread

-juanito- said:
hello
i have idea for great idea !
if u jailbreak iPhone u will get cydia
if u root android u will get superuser
why android dosen't have app like cydia ?? cydia is awsome
on android if any developer have idea just he added on his rom..if we have app like cydia the developer will put his idea on android cydia
u can slide any notification to remove it on CM7 (if we have cydia this advantage will be in android cydia)
there are many script and tweeks in this formus and other forums..Hopes to see the script and tweeks in one application
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This is a bad idea , not a good idea

i know there r many android devices and roms,,make a store should be work on just MIUI & CM7 and have

-juanito- said:
i know there r many android devices and roms,,make a store should be work on just MIUI & CM7 and have
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See, now you're either just trolling people, or you're actually dumber than a brick.

A Rant: Anroid, Get your Shiz Together!

This is what I type at 3 in the morning. Please read for a minute, I'll keep it short and get to the point. I feel NS owners should see this since they seem the most enthusiastic.
This is generally for Android as a whole, targeting Google. Wow, so it's been how many years since Android first came out? And what is the only other competitor in the market - oh right, iOS. iOS has been destroying the market with only one phone which rarely has any lag/bug/glitch issues, namely the 4S or the new 5 (minus the Maps).
The only reason Android has a large market share is due to the large number of phones at reasonable prices. That is all. There are only two competitors in this oligarchy, and one still can't do it right. Google engineers are apparently among the highest paid, yet they decide to constantly release updates which constantly has bugs. It is a pity, to look at many of you Android enthusiasts that are giving a lot of attention to Android development and are contributing to this world, when Google themselves is not treating you right, thus I feel that you are the reason that the brand is remaining strong. You guys have the capacity to overlook its bugs/lags and see what Android is there truly for. On the other hand, I doubt iOS users actually care about that topic since it is rarely seen.
Next, the phones. So we have like a thousand phones running Android from like 20 different manufacturers. What the..? Alright, phones that are aimed for a low budget do not count, but the Nexus devices that Google works on - they should be at least revolutionary. Google has to partner up with different manufacturers each time when creating the next Nexus? Talk about inconsistency, and inviting a lack of hardware acceleration with its software. Google can even build their own phones if they have to, but just get it right! I mean their latest phone, the Galaxy Nexus, is still not a stable phone (although I thought it would be). Samsung is actually holding it down and implementing their own stuff to create a good user experience (thus the success of the Galaxy line). Other than that, ALL other manufacturers are literally wasting money (but producing profits) by adopting Android and Google themselves are getting much more love than they should be getting.
Creating new updates and naming them after the alphabet and weird food names is quite cheesy. That's not the issue though, it creates hype by many users - the anxiety of waiting for the next update that will 'fix all problems' - but what happens? Promises are broken, and the software is bad once again. Like the JB update - turns out it's bad and many/most users tend to agree. So much for project butter haha. It's simply not worth it, not worth stressing or wasting time on it. I realize I am doing that by typing this post, but it needed to be done. People who are making money off of it - you're fine actually.
The message I am trying to get across is that Google's android software is not worth it, we all know it's bad, and Google seriously needs to get it right before everyone hops on the iBoat. There are actually multiple little things that I tried to get across in the post. That is all.

Cool story. Feel free to jump on the iOS wagon. I, for one, really like android.

I'm with android for the customization and freedom. I came from Windows Mobile where you could change anything you wanted and fell in love with flashing custom ROMS and even had a duel boot of WM6 and android 1.0 when I first came out (hated it back then, by the way.)
I bought an iPhone 3g when they came out and sold it by the next day. As you said, it was "flawless" as far as the operation of the OS, but when the OS imposes so much control over user input what do you expect? The iPhone tells you what you're allowed to do, it's not the user that defines what the phone can do.
After dropping my Tilt 2 flat on its face and tearing the ribbon for the screen, I hit the market for a new phone. Windows Mobile was still in the hundreds, but android was a cheaper alternative. I got a Samsung Moment and never looked back.
Maybe coming from Windows Mobile to android is why I don't have as many bug complaints. WM was mostly ALL bugs and glitches. That's not why I had the phone though - I had it for the features. Namely the ability to tether, which took android AND apple several releases to incorporate into their builds, but which was plug-n-play on every WM device I owned YEARS before. I also really enjoyed Windows Voice Command, better recognized as the Sync system in Ford vehicles. I could wear my bluetooth headset and make calls, open programs, listen to music and change songs all without having to touch the phone. Once again, it took apple and Google several editions to add useful voice commands to their systems.
I still miss remote desktop. I stopped having to store music and movies on my device because I could open a program and directly access every file on my home computer and stream anything to my phone screen.
So ultimately I'm with android for the freedom. The openness. The fact that they ALLOW outside developers to exist at all! It's the creativity found in the android community that has kept me, not the hope for a "fix all" update. Personally, the only problem I've ever had with my Android phones is the actual phone app itself. Delayed ringing and sometimes the inability to answer to even slide and answer the call due to screen freezing.
That's MY rant at 5 am lol
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda app-developers app

I'll have a Lamborghini Gallardo, Olivia Wilde and a cherry Coke, while we're at it (dreaming).

When you buy a new phone it should be completely yours not locked down by the manufacturer. If I want to brick I want to be able to do it.
If you really don't like it there a lot of rotten apple phones out there for you to buy.

anyway, I was on stock JB for a while, I haven't encountered all this **** your talking about. It could be faster, nicer, with more options but it is working quite well
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Go get lost. Steve Job is waiting there to pay you for this iPhone advertisements in an android thread. You are required there not here. Lol....
Sent from my Nexus S

madd0g said:
I'll have a Lamborghini Gallardo, Olivia Wilde and a cherry Coke, while we're at it (dreaming).
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Scratch that lambo make it an Aston Martin Vantage V12. Regarding the other two: Plenty of cherry coke around, but we're gonna have a problem with Olivia: I won't share, no crossing swords!

I love when people try to tell me how I should feel about the products I enjoy.

Logomotph said:
Cool story. Feel free to jump on the iOS wagon. I, for one, really like android.
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I know right?
madd0g said:
I'll have a Lamborghini Gallardo, Olivia Wilde and a cherry Coke, while we're at it (dreaming).
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Can I get that with no cholesterol burger and fries?
p.pavljasevic said:
When you buy a new phone it should be completely yours not locked down by the manufacturer. If I want to brick I want to be able to do it.
If you really don't like it there a lot of rotten apple phones out there for you to buy.
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I've said this before. I hate when companies wanna slap their branding all over my 4 to 600 dollar smartphone and load it up with their crap I am never gonna use.
styckx said:
I love when people try to tell me how I should feel about the products I enjoy.
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My best friend is a iPhone fanboy. I have to show him once a month why my Nexus S 4G is better then his iPhone 4s.

to each his own, i don't mind jb's quirkyness, it's also a matter of finding just the right rom/kernel combo... can't speak for stock JB.
aokp JB 4 + marmite 4.8.7 is doing quite nice, steady & haven't had weird reboots yet

I will admit that the Nexus S has a hard time with stock Jelly Bean. It pushes the NS basically to its limits in terms of hardware capability. That said, as a daily driver, it's still very, very usable. If you want to see Jelly Bean run like a f**king champ, run it on a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7. It's pretty amazing.

Okay I'm not favouring iOS or anything and no I'm not jumping on their wagon, and I am also not hating on Android's customization/community. I've had my Nexus S for almost 1.5 years now and I still believe it's not outdated (great camera, front-facing camera, good screen, good touch sensor)
I appreciate that Android lets its customers customize the phones more than Apple. But what about the 'majority' who don't root or install 3rd party keyboards, etc. and like to run stock? I for one am running stock and native since I believe it should give the best performance as it is made by the manufacturer. But I'm not getting that! There are the red flags going off.
Additionally, when I was referring to iOS, I mean to say mainly iPhone 4 and up. The iPhone 3 was quite bad (although still better than android at that point in time). But with iOS 5/6, sure it takes away user customization, but the majority does not anyway - they just use their phone for their intended purposes and yet experience difficulties? That's a no no. However, ONE thing I do enjoy is widgets over having iOS.

Plenty of people dont run stock as per your definition. Plenty of people use or at least tried different keyboards / launchers / messaging apps etc
Root is not required and installing those apps is no different then installing any other app like Pandora. They are also often editors choice and top selling / top free apps in the play store. People know about them and use them. You don't need a to be a hardcore user to know about and use them.
People actually do change up there apps all the time and on all platforms. Its like saying people with a iPhone shouldn't use instagram because the phone comes with a camera application out the box.
Bottom line is if the user has a option to try different apps they will. Especially if its easy for the average user to install like a normal app. Imagine for a second if winterboard was freely available in the app store and functioned the same way it does on a jail broken device. I'd bet within 24 hrs it would become the most popular app in the app store. Your argument just seems silly to me. People will and do change things are freely and easily changed

albundy2010 said:
Plenty of people dont run stock as per your definition. Plenty of people use or at least tried different keyboards / launchers / messaging apps etc
Root is not required and installing those apps is no different then installing any other app like Pandora. They are also often editors choice and top selling / top free apps in the play store. People know about them and use them. You don't need a to be a hardcore user to know about and use them.
People actually do change up there apps all the time and on all platforms. Its like saying people with a iPhone shouldn't use instagram because the phone comes with a camera application out the box.
Bottom line is if the user has a option to try different apps they will. Especially if its easy for the average user to install like a normal app. Imagine for a second if winterboard was freely available in the app store and functioned the same way it does on a jail broken device. I'd bet within 24 hrs it would become the most popular app in the app store. Your argument just seems silly to me. People will and do change things are freely and easily changed
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Wonderfully said.

Another tiny bit to add on to my previous point.
The focal point of apples marketing strategy used to be " there is a app for that". Of course this is after they decided to even include a store. Who can forget the air traffic controller getting the weather from his iPhone?
But this doesn't seem to apply to things apple thinks its users shouldn't change.

What are you going to use your nexus to do as you write it has a hard time using jelly bean? - I my self have not got complications - I think I have used jelly bean nearly from when it was free - and I for my part - find it fast and free from lack - it play film - I read a lot news on it - it is very nice to read ebooks - see tv - you name it - ok - I do not use it for play - as all play for me are more or less the same - but ells I injoy jelly bean on my nexus s
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Plenty of people dont run stock as per your definition. Plenty of people use or at least tried different keyboards / launchers / messaging apps etc
Root is not required and installing those apps is no different then installing any other app like Pandora. They are also often editors choice and top selling / top free apps in the play store. People know about them and use them. You don't need a to be a hardcore user to know about and use them.
People actually do change up there apps all the time and on all platforms. Its like saying people with a iPhone shouldn't use instagram because the phone comes with a camera application out the box.
Bottom line is if the user has a option to try different apps they will. Especially if its easy for the average user to install like a normal app. Imagine for a second if winterboard was freely available in the app store and functioned the same way it does on a jail broken device. I'd bet within 24 hrs it would become the most popular app in the app store. Your argument just seems silly to me. People will and do change things are freely and easily changed
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I don't understand, you're going off on apps when I am not talking about customization. I am just talking about the performance of the phone and the bugs it has. Let me be specific - as I unlock my phone, i swipe through home screens = lag. I open my camera, it takes a while at times = lag. I scroll through a list, and it lags on me. Even though it is minuscule Google needs to clean it up, since I never see it on an iOS device which is a fair comparison as it is the leading competitor.
I am not talking about apps or anything, I think we and everyone has already established that it has more customization. I know most users have 'tried' some customizable app that is not available to iOS but that is no excuse for the actual performance bugs it has. I don't play games (like rarely maybe) on the phone and don't have a huge load of apps installed either. Things just aren't nifty..and it is taking them years to get it right but they'd rather focus on other feature additions which also work poorly.

You are the one who brought up that entire what about the majority of the people out there that don't run third party keyboards etc.
You brought it up. I said it was rubbish.
Android has always been laggy compared to iOS. Apple did a good job with that from the beginning.
The majority of your op is simply not worthy of responding to. Actually I re read it just now and I consider it all entirely flame bait/ trolling. You joined the forum 3 days prior to that as well. Not bothering with that type of silly debate/flaming.
Your 2nd post in the thread actually had something I felt was worth giving a legit response to.

It can be due to Google not paying enough attention to this device, however, I urge you to try new phones like the Nexus and this upcoming LG Nexus. For me, Jelly Bean have been smooth all the way through. Lag is inevitable on this device due to its old single core cpu.
We are atleast fortunate to retain nearly all the features from the latest Android version, Apple withheld features from old phones on purpose so you have to buy their newest and most expensive device.

change from iphone 4s to Nexus 4?

hi guys i'm a new member to this community and i'm ready to change from apple and IOS to android which i have never use..
i have find to sell my iphone and with that money to buy the nexus 4. During the last 3 weeks i have read and view many reviews about the nexus 4 and i believe it's a great phone !
what do you think will be the difficulties that i will face during this transition between the two different softwares??
is finally the nexus 4 a better phone than the iphone 4s?
thanks in advance for your answers!!

If your a techie, you shouldn't have any problems and you should be able to guide yourself through Android. Everything you need is in the Notification Drawer! You might have a hard time adjusting to no physical home button, but you'll get used to it. Music is just drag and drop, or it would be worth it to download Google Play Music on your computer and sync your music in the cloud. Just explore the phone the day you get it. I personally like the overall look and feel of Android more than iOS. Welcome to the best Android experience out there, a Nexus 4!!!
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Gorjira said:
If your a techie, you shouldn't have any problems and you should be able to guide yourself through Android. Everything you need is in the Notification Drawer! You might have a hard time adjusting to no physical home button, but you'll get used to it. Music is just drag and drop, or it would be worth it to download Google Play Music on your computer and sync your music in the cloud. Just explore the phone the day you get it. I personally like the overall look and feel of Android more than iOS. Welcome to the best Android experience out there, a Nexus 4!!!
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thanks for your answer!!!

Like most iPhone users, you're going to spend weeks posting threads asking how to exactly replicate iPhone functionality before realizing that the Android experience is different and you just need to learn new ways of working.
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stefanos7 said:
hi guys i'm a new member to this community and i'm ready to change from apple and IOS to android which i have never use..
i have find to sell my iphone and with that money to buy the nexus 4. During the last 3 weeks i have read and view many reviews about the nexus 4 and i believe it's a great phone !
what do you think will be the difficulties that i will face during this transition between the two different softwares??
is finally the nexus 4 a better phone than the iphone 4s?
thanks in advance for your answers!!
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Any phone is better than an iPhone.
Just kidding, but seriously. don't get me wrong, iPhones are good phones, they really are. People get them cause they like them, I get androids because I like them. Spec wise, Nexus 4 blows iPhones away. IMO, Nexus 4's are way better than any of the iPhones out right now. I talked to my friends who went from iPhones to Androids, and they said the only difficulty they had was getting used to how the OS is. iPhones are simple, and straight forward. Theres not much you can change about an iPhone unless you jailbreak it. Androids are customizable right out of the box.Only problem you MIGHT face is getting used to android.

@mrjoeltan: I agree with you, just want to add: I feel that android, starting jelly bean, doesn't require any customization. Let me explain.
For the longest time, people compared android to iOS this way: iOS you can't customize, but it works pretty amazingly right out of the box. Android, on the other hand, can be customized to incredible levels; however, right out of the box it is not a great experience. And up till jelly bean, I agreed with this claim.
What I think changed in the last half year is that now android (jelly bean, so Nexus 4 for sure) is as amazing out of the box as iOS, with the added ability to customize the sh*t out of it if you want to.
To not be completely off topic:
There will be very few things you need to "learn" during transition. I think the largest one is the way system handles settings of notifications and alerts: b/c iOS uses only its own push notifications, all sound settings for all apps are done in the "settings" app. Android is a bit different- the apps keep a service running in background for themselves, and so you have to edit sound/alert settings in the apps themselves. The reward for this is that apps can have more advanced notifications with popup menus, repeated alerts etc. They will all appear in your notification drawer, but they can do more.
Music is simple drag-and-drop.
Other difference is handling of files. PDFs will first download, only then you can click on them to view them. They will be stored in the "Download" folder, accessible either via the "Downloads" app or via file manager of your choice (I recommend installing one).
If you have more apps that allow opening some file (ie, you have Adobe Reader and the built-in quickoffice viewer), when you click on a PDF (or some other supported file, even link), you will have a window allowing you to choose what program should open the given file. (don't worry, you can set defaults and not worry about it again)
I suggest you set all google maps links to default to the google maps app, not the browser. Similarly, set all youtube links to go to the youtube app, not the browser.
Hope I helped!

matus201 said:
@mrjoeltan: I agree with you, just want to add: I feel that android, starting jelly bean, doesn't require any customization. Let me explain.
For the longest time, people compared android to iOS this way: iOS you can't customize, but it works pretty amazingly right out of the box. Android, on the other hand, can be customized to incredible levels; however, right out of the box it is not a great experience. And up till jelly bean, I agreed with this claim.
What I think changed in the last half year is that now android (jelly bean, so Nexus 4 for sure) is as amazing out of the box as iOS, with the added ability to customize the sh*t out of it if you want to.
To not be completely off topic:
There will be very few things you need to "learn" during transition. I think the largest one is the way system handles settings of notifications and alerts: b/c iOS uses only its own push notifications, all sound settings for all apps are done in the "settings" app. Android is a bit different- the apps keep a service running in background for themselves, and so you have to edit sound/alert settings in the apps themselves. The reward for this is that apps can have more advanced notifications with popup menus, repeated alerts etc. They will all appear in your notification drawer, but they can do more.
Music is simple drag-and-drop.
Other difference is handling of files. PDFs will first download, only then you can click on them to view them. They will be stored in the "Download" folder, accessible either via the "Downloads" app or via file manager of your choice (I recommend installing one).
If you have more apps that allow opening some file (ie, you have Adobe Reader and the built-in quickoffice viewer), when you click on a PDF (or some other supported file, even link), you will have a window allowing you to choose what program should open the given file. (don't worry, you can set defaults and not worry about it again)
I suggest you set all google maps links to default to the google maps app, not the browser. Similarly, set all youtube links to go to the youtube app, not the browser.
Hope I helped!
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thank you all for your help!!
I have just ordered the 16 gb with the official bumper!!
i will return with my first impressions as soon as I have it in my hands!

Welcome to the world of Android. You will really enjoy the Nexus 4. The phone is smooth as butter and the customization is fantastic. I actually replaced the standard launcher with Nova Prime launcher as it offers even more customization than the standard launcher.

if you have your iphone jailbroken, it will be easier to port to Android, have fun..

Definitely get back and let us know if you have any questions - I just held my boyfriend's hand through his iPhone to Nexus 4 transition (I give great Valentines presents!), so I'm sure some of your questions will either pop up for him or already have.

calanizzle said:
if you have your iphone jailbroken, it will be easier to port to Android, have fun..
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I have jailbroken it in the past once but now my iphone is without
qocarekeri said:
Definitely get back and let us know if you have any questions - I just held my boyfriend's hand through his iPhone to Nexus 4 transition (I give great Valentines presents!), so I'm sure some of your questions will either pop up for him or already have.
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thank you (great gift!!)
I'm sure about that
how does your boyfriend finally feel with your gift??
does he miss the iphone?

You wont regret buying and android device like the nexus 4.
IMO android is much more flexible customisable and powerful than iOS. The iOS is soo God darn easy to use because there isn't much to do in it. It has a homescreen and... Well that's pretty much it!
But android 4.0+ combines ease of use and great functionality. Once you switch to android and start using all of its features, you'll never go back.
Oh and BTW, I think the Nexus 4 looks damn sexy, looks better than an iPhone.

stefanos7 said:
I have jailbroken it in the past once but now my iphone is without
thank you (great gift!!)
I'm sure about that
how does your boyfriend finally feel with your gift??
does he miss the iphone?
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There was an adjustment period for him - how do I get X, where can I find apps, where is X setting.
He was a little pouty at the beginning of the process, but after a month or so, he's up and running and very happy. The main thing that he missed was a collection settings that covered all apps.
-Keri

qocarekeri said:
There was an adjustment period for him - how do I get X, where can I find apps, where is X setting.
He was a little pouty at the beginning of the process, but after a month or so, he's up and running and very happy. The main thing that he missed was a collection settings that covered all apps.
-Keri
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Yeah I can see how that could be a problem. However I went the other way (Android to an iPad) and was greatly dissatisfied with the super easy and noob setting of iOS.
On topic, I would suggest OP to use the phone for a couple months, before venturing into any customization options (rooting, kernels, ROMs, launchers etc). Getting used to Android could take you a while but once you get used to it your production will be greatly improved.

wngmv said:
On topic, I would suggest OP to use the phone for a couple months, before venturing into any customization options (rooting, kernels, ROMs, launchers etc). Getting used to Android could take you a while but once you get used to it your production will be greatly improved.
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And when you decide to do so, follow the link in my signature. Do not use a toolkit!
Good luck with it all, you'll love it! Let us know if you need any help. :thumbup:

wngmv said:
Yeah I can see how that could be a problem. However I went the other way (Android to an iPad) and was greatly dissatisfied with the super easy and noob setting of iOS.
On topic, I would suggest OP to use the phone for a couple months, before venturing into any customization options (rooting, kernels, ROMs, launchers etc). Getting used to Android could take you a while but once you get used to it your production will be greatly improved.
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Yeah, I used an iPad recently and I actually found it very counter-intuitive having all of the individual app settings under the general settings app. I wanted to sign out of the email app for example but I genuinely could not find a way to do it from within the app itself, and ended up having to go to settings then manage accounts or something similar. In Android I just hit menu in any app I'm using and I can be certain that there will be some sort of settings or options button, which to me seems much more logical since if I want to change an app setting the likelihood is that I'm using that app already. Obviously the opposite will apply for users moving from iOS to Android, but I think I'm just so used to Android now that iOS simply doesn't work for me.

Vangelis13 said:
And when you decide to do so, follow the link in my signature. Do not use a toolkit!
Good luck with it all, you'll love it! Let us know if you need any help. :thumbup:
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ok thanks a lot for your help i will follow your advice !!
however you could find a better avatar!! the red one!!!heheh
na sai kala!!