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I thought this was an interesting article, albeit short. I wish they went deeper into the story. http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/31/is-this-why-apple-and-google-hate-each-other/
I was wondering, without Google, Apple's iPhone would be missing some key features, like Gmail and Google Maps. What keeps Google tied to Apple? Now that Android has taken off, what would happen if Google pulled the relationship with Apple and stopped supporting the iPhone? Meaning, if you want Gmail, you have to use an Android phone. Would there be incredible backlash against Google, or would Gmail-users ditch their iPhone? Can Google survive on its own?
I think this would be an interesting discussion.
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I thought this was an interesting article, albeit short. I wish they went deeper into the story. http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/31/is-this-why-apple-and-google-hate-each-other/
I was wondering, without Google, Apple's iPhone would be missing some key features, like Gmail and Google Maps. What keeps Google tied to Apple? Now that Android has taken off, what would happen if Google pulled the relationship with Apple and stopped supporting the iPhone? Meaning, if you want Gmail, you have to use an Android phone. Would there be incredible backlash against Google, or would Gmail-users ditch their iPhone? Can Google survive on its own?
I think this would be an interesting discussion.
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I think the issue is that Google wants to make itself the open-source alternative. This has its benefits; it means wider acceptance and ease of developing for its platform but it also means that it cannot simply close off certain apps and prevent them from being utilized on other platforms. Sure, El Goog could stop officially supporting their products on Apple platforms but that would lead to more backlash than benefit. I, myself, love Google. I use Google products (Chrome, Android, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Maps, Google Navigation, Google Docs, etc.) for pretty much everything. However, I also own two Macbooks because Windows based computers just haven't gotten to the point where I would want to use one again. If Google stopped supporting all Apple platforms, I would have to make the choice between free alternatives to things I can do access otherwise or the two computers I spent a combined three grand on.
In fact, I can honestly say that in spite of my love for Android, if today they announced that Apple products and platforms would no longer receive Google Support, I would go to BB and return both mine and my wife's Nexus S, switch us to Verizon and get iPhones (when they come out).
Essentially, to sum up, my belief is that given the way Google has positioned themselves in the market they cannot simply cast aside a large portion of users in that way, it would be corporate suicide.
Don't think either could alienate each other to that extent.
Besides, there's always Google Mobile - were Gmail to be removed from Apple's Mail app for some reason, it's still accessible via mail.google.com in Safari. But realistically how would (prospective) Apple customers react to that?
Google is better.
i just dont think google would want to lose those valuable iphone customers using their gmail service. even though it competes, having those eyes looking at ads is better than not having those eyes looking at ads.
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Google is better.
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What a wonderful, intelligent addition to what was supposed to be an interesting, thought-provoking discussion.
Good answers, guys. Now that I think about it, it was a pretty silly question. It'd be unwise for Google to cut ties. What an interesting relationship they have with Apple, though. They need each other, but are apparently such fierce rivals.
Don't forget. Google is a search company.
you can also take a look at it this way. Google gets a paycheque from Apple for using their services just like microsoft gets one from google and other way around.
There are so many patents and crossed cheques between the companies that it would not make sense to stop doing it now. Next thing you know Microsoft wont let google use their patened mail exchange server and 1/2 the Android users that dont use Gmail all of a sudden hate android. Some **** like that.
They'll keep doing it as long as there is a costumer and someone is makeing money.
I would like to see them apart. I would never throw my money away by buying an apple product.
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you can also take a look at it this way. Google gets a paycheque from Apple for using their services just like microsoft gets one from google and other way around.
There are so many patents and crossed cheques between the companies that it would not make sense to stop doing it now. Next thing you know Microsoft wont let google use their patened mail exchange server and 1/2 the Android users that dont use Gmail all of a sudden hate android. Some **** like that.
They'll keep doing it as long as there is a costumer and someone is makeing money.
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Completely off topic, but yay for POLAND!!!
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Zardos66 said:
I would like to see them apart. I would never throw my money away by buying an apple product.
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That's a rather closed-minded outlook. Have you ever *owned* an apple product? I've never had anything but amazing experiences with their support and I've only ever had to use their support three times in the 5 years I've owned macbooks. Also, recently they replaced the entire keyboard and bezel on my 5 year old macbook simply because it had a cosmetic defect. I brought it in and told them that the keyboard stopped working because I spilled drinks on it and used it heavily for five years and because of the cosmetic defect they replaced it. Free. While I waited. Meanwhile, my wife's Compaq laptop had two major recalls in two years both due to massive motherboard failure and because I was a week late calling about the second I missed the window and they wanted to charge $400 to fix it. Throwing money away on Apply products? More like investing in a product that will be supported long after it is technologically obsolete.
EDIT: I understand I'm going to get called a iFanboy for that but its the truth. They have never done any wrong by me. When it comes to phones, I much prefer Android but I will continue buying Apple computers until they do wrong by me. I'm on my second MacBook (this one Pro) and I only upgraded because I wanted a better screen and the old one was, well, old. Name one other manufacturer that would offer free technical servicing to a machine far out of warranty.
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I would like to see them apart. I would never throw my money away by buying an apple product.
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Open your mind.
it's a symbiotic relationship...
Might I also suggest a topic title change to Apples To Googles.
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What a wonderful, intelligent addition to what was supposed to be an interesting, thought-provoking discussion.
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I am sorry, it was just that, well, Apple vs Google is discussed a lot on the internet. When I read the actual text, I got to admit the question isn't that silly.
Just change the threadtitle.
Somewhat related;
techcrunch.com/2011/01/31/apple-reportedly-blocks-sony-reader-app-could-spell-war-with-kindle/
As noted, you can't purchase within the Kindle app, but this is the power that Apple has over what goes on their phones. The fine line Google must also tread
different business models
I think the reason that they are still so tied together is that they use different business models.
Apple sells hardware; computers, iPhones, or iPads, Apple's goal is to sell hardware.
Google sells advertising, they make their money off of people using their services. The majority of Google's income still comes from selling advertising.
Apple uses Google's services because they are popular and they are the best available. Gmail is the number 2 email service, and maps is superior to any of the other search/ map products available to Apple. What is Apple going to replace Google Maps with if they removed it from iOS, Bing Maps? I just don't see that happening since Google Maps is a superior product (although Microsoft has been improving Bing recently).
Google realizes that the future of computing is increasingly mobile, and they do not want the control of access to that controlled solely by any one company. This is where Android comes into Google's business model. Google's main interest in Android is the same as their other services, Google wants people using the web so they can sell advertising.
Apple is clearly pissed that Android is cutting into Apple's sales of the iPhone and iPad. Google basically doesn't care how you access their services, so long as you are using them.
The two companies have different goals, because of this it is more likely that Apple would replace Google's services on iOS that Google would pull them. I think the closest that Google would get is what we have now with some features restricted for Android such as turn by turn navigation and the Gmail app on Android.
If this even Nexus S related? Why is this in the Nexus S section?
I like my iMac, enjoy my Windows XP netbook, iPod Touch, Android Droid Pro and Android Nexus S.. just sayin' lol.
With android under attack from all sides, including microsoft, apple, and rim, who are now joining together to try to kill of android because of the threat it presents to them, can it survive in it's present 'free' state?
The latest blow came from the 6000 patents bought from nortel by a consortium of companies led my apple and microsoft, who are no doubt going to add these patents to their list of lawsuits against google and it's partners, i.e. any company that produces android handsets.
microsoft is already trying to get $15/handset from samsung.
Their goal is to make android so costly to google and the handset manufacturers that they will effectively kill it off.
dont worry google will win they are more powerfull
Google is doing a good work, don´t worry.
I think Google is powerfull enough to cover the $15 per device for Samsung. I mean Samsung have made Android bigger than it allready is......
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Ya, seems everyone is out to stop Google. I think they have a plan in place and maybe even as early as fall, with the launch of ICS, they'll reveal that plan. I would say that they have so far reassured their manufacturing partners that they have a plan in place to put these failing dinosaurs in thier places. Otherwise, most of them would be abandoning android.
Maybe Google is taking a closer look at Bing, would be too funny if they charged ms a couple bucks per search if they found something infringing.
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I think these patents are only enforcable in the US. Every other country doesn't have these patents. So the $15 is only for phones sold in the US by Samsung.
What funny is that apple microsoft and intel can't sue each other because they bought it as a consortium. I'm not worried that google will find a way around this, considering that the android platform is the best out there.
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Canadian government still has to approve the sale of the Nortel patents though...it would be nice if it was not approved..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFNedaNq6s
I don't think ANYBODY can mess with google!
My droid eatz blackberry and apple pie.....so there is no danger
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Think web os would go down before android
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There is a difference between asking $15/handset and getting it. Additionally, I doubt Microsoft is serious about the number and is more likely attempting to licensing a large patent agreement with Google that would cover more than phones and only using this as leverage.
Google could just buy RIM and by doing so get the Nortel patents anyway.
It could also ask partner companies to cross licence for android products which will not only strengthen the patent portfolio but will also protect the android platform and in doing so help out both Google and its partners. HTC and Samsung and Google should have formed a consortium to buy the Nortel patents but by Google's bidding pattern looks like they weren't really interested.
The patent sale as been approuved by both Canadian and American Gouverments. Damn!
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But yh with the 3 other major platforms, Microsoft, Apple and RIM all bidding to keep Google out shows how all 3 view android as a great threat. Microsoft and Apple are hardly best pals but against Google they joined the partnership. Microsoft was already immune from the patents as its already paid the license to fee to Nortel to use them, so even if Google got the patents they wouldn't have had to pay any royalties. Their bid was a tactical one.
This may be a stupid question but would Google have a patent on the pull down notification bar that Apple is now ripping off?
Deck6rd said:
This may be a stupid question but would Google have a patent on the pull down notification bar that Apple is now ripping off?
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I wondered this, all the updates they have in iOS 5 are just copied from android. It's stupid.
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As far as Android remains open it is really hard to die, even google could die but the source is for all, including apple and MS if they want.
microsoft is always a loser
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As far as Android remains open it is really hard to die, even google could die but the source is for all, including apple and MS if they want.
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But without Google support and company like Samsung, Motorola, HTC etc making phones I doubt that Android could go very far... Very sad.
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http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
Game changer? Thoughts as to what it means for us xoomers?
I was coming to post this as well.. Friggin sweet... The true Google device..
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http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
Game changer? Thoughts as to what it means for us xoomers?
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Wow. This one is being reported all across the interwebs at the moment.
First of all if I were HTC and Samsung I would be LIVID right now. Both companies have stacked a lot of chips on Android and may now be seeing that as not as sure a bet as they thought. It would make sense for Google to now keep its flagship devices "in house" and have them made by Moto Mobile. This is going to freeze both companies out of the plum position of producing the concept devices for each new version of Android.
What does this foretell for the future? First of all I would not be surprised to see both HTC and Samsung trying to repair connections with Microsoft, and looking again at making a larger commitment to Windows Phone 7.
For we Xoom users, it heavily improves the odds of us seeing an official ICS release by the end of the year. That was already likely since the Xoom was being used to demo the software, but now will be even more so.
Interesting days ahead.
It gives me a little more confidence that the xoom won't be left behind as quickly as we all thought it would be.
Great move for all Android partners
If anything, this protects HTC and Samsung's Android business from patents claims against them. Google will use it's new patent muscle as a deterrent. Google stated Motorola will be a licensee just like the others. I'm sure all new GED's will be Moto but I doubt the influence will extend much beyond that.
Well, I want this:
Motorola has a lot of patents on mobile / smartphone technology.
So, I want Google to use those patents to protect Android!
I don't know how ... but I dreamed this to shut up that Apple patent troll.
Probably, Google intention was mainly for Motorola patents.
linuxdood said:
If anything, this protects HTC and Samsung's Android business from patents claims against them. Google will use it's new patent muscle as a deterrent. Google stated Motorola will be a licensee just like the others. I'm sure all new GED's will be Moto but I doubt the influence will extend much beyond that.
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I agree that this is a good move in the long-term for Android as a platform...but I think you underestimate the influence that being the sole source of GEDs will give Moto. They will be the glass of fashion.
Google will continue to provide the software to all it's partners, sure...but I think we are coming up very swiftly on a new synthesis of hardware and software...basically the Apple model accepted as the norm. Apple vs Google/Moto vs Microsoft/Nokia.
My question now is...who buys RIM. My guess is Microsoft.
Well, my day just got better.
Google has been outspoken about unlockable bootloaders. Could this mean all upcoming Google/Motorola devices will be fully unlockable?
Moto blur is now officially killed
How sweet ...
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So, the purchase is to defend Android ...
Update: More quotes from Android partners after the break.
Peter Chou, CEO, HTC:
We welcome the news of today's acquisition, which demonstrates that Google is deeply committed to defending Android, its partners, and the entire ecosystem.
Bert Nordberg, President & CEO, Sony Ericsson:
I welcome Google's commitment to defending Android and its partners.
Jong-Seok Park, President & CEO, LG:
We welcome Google's commitment to defending Android and its partners.
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Maybe they will purchase htc, samsung, etc.....
I expect this kind of news in the future:
GOOGLE is suing Apple for some (Motorola) patents infringement.
Then in negotiation:
Apple: So, what's now? How do we settle?
Google: Easy, drop all your lousy law suits on Android manufacturers
That would be epic!
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Maybe they will purchase htc, samsung, etc.....
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Yes! And then they will concentrate on one phone, to make it perfect with all their new know how. To enhance the security they get rid of the open source ****, and make it perfectly usable and easy by integrating it to Google Music as the only way to put music on the device. It will be called the GPhone and it will...ohhh...wait...
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UPDATE:
So, the purchase is to defend Android ...
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Well it certainly is, at least partially. Patents are the big deal these days.
However, as for the parts of the deal that are about getting an in house hardware maker being downplayed...what else are the brass of HTC, Sony Ericsson and LG going to say?
It reminds me of the losers on The Bachelor "He totally like made the right choice...I really think this is for the best and hope they will be very happy...."
We will see how they really feel if the announcements of additional WM7 phones start picking up speed.
>First of all if I were HTC and Samsung I would be LIVID right now.
Co-opetition is the nature of business (and a lot of other areas). Things are always more complicated than the black-or-white, friend-or-foe picture people try to paint. MS is in with Nokia, but other co's are still making WP7 phones. It all depends on what makes sense (read: profit).
That the deal happens is not because of Moto Mobo's hardware capability, but for its patent portfolio.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903392904576509953821437960.html
>It would make sense for Google to now keep its flagship devices "in house" and have them made by Moto Mobile.
No, it doesn't. That would go against everything that it has built Android to be, which is an "open", device- (and vendor-) agnostic OS. If it wants to destroy Android, that would be the surest way to go about it.
>For we Xoom users, it heavily improves the odds of us seeing an official ICS release by the end of the year.
I don't see it changes the picture any wrt the Xoom. As a GED device (for US model), the odds were always in favor of Xoom getting official ICS--and for most Teg2 tabs from major vendors, for that matter.
The acquisition will take place over some months, long after the Xoom has come and gone. I don't see Moto getting any "nicer" with supporting the Xoom just because it will be part of Goog. The Xoom is just one of many Moto products, and its replacements are already in the pipe.
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No, it doesn't. That would go against everything that it has built Android to be, which is an "open", device- (and vendor-) agnostic OS. If it wants to destroy Android, that would be the surest way to go about it.
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That is not completely accurate. Google has always selected one vendor for each version to develop the flagship GED device. The vendors have competed heavily to get those contracts since they involved a lot of interaction with the software design team and a leg up on smooth integration.
Now, it will make sense for Moto to have those prototype devices, as it means that Google will be able to control the process even further.
Android is vendor-agnostic, but each version has always had one vendor who was first amongst equals...and that will now be Moto.
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Google has been outspoken about unlockable bootloaders. Could this mean all upcoming Google/Motorola devices will be fully unlockable?
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Unlocked, not unlockable!
>Now, it will make sense for Moto to have those prototype devices, as it means that Google will be able to control the process even further.
I don't see this as a big deal. Having the Xoom released first didn't help Moto any wrt to sales, nor was having a GED a benefit to the user experience. Xoom users do get updates a bit faster, but other devices have value-added functionality (eg SD card, Splashtop, etc) that the Xoom lacks, OOB.
As far as "controlling the experience," that remains to be seen. It's hard to say with this 1st-gen as a gauge, as HC has been an ongoing beta for ICS. We'll have to see what Goog will do with its newly acquired hardware arm. I think it should be emphasized that the acquisition is more to shore up its patent stash than to "control the Android experience." Goog's failed 6.5B attempt to acquire Nortel's patents is indicative of its need in this area.
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Wow. This one is being reported all across the interwebs at the moment.
First of all if I were HTC and Samsung I would be LIVID right now. Both companies have stacked a lot of chips on Android and may now be seeing that as not as sure a bet as they thought. It would make sense for Google to now keep its flagship devices "in house" and have them made by Moto Mobile. This is going to freeze both companies out of the plum position of producing the concept devices for each new version of Android.
What does this foretell for the future? First of all I would not be surprised to see both HTC and Samsung trying to repair connections with Microsoft, and looking again at making a larger commitment to Windows Phone 7.
For we Xoom users, it heavily improves the odds of us seeing an official ICS release by the end of the year. That was already likely since the Xoom was being used to demo the software, but now will be even more so.
Interesting days ahead.
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Don't be silly, android is an open source project device manufacturers will still be able to put their customizations out and will still be shipping phones with old versions of android. This deal will have no impact on android device manufacturers other then patent protection
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it seems that google buys moto... does this mean android will be moto only now? http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Press-Releases/Google-to-Acquire-Motorola-Mobility-3797.aspx
now we will get good quality stable android phone...!
It got me glad and worried at the same time
Im really glad coz motorola mobility has a mountain of patents that Google could use against Patent trolls like Apple and others.
In fact the huge amount of patents that Motorola owns assures that
Appple et all are cross licensing at least some of the said patents.
I almost wish that Google bought up Nokia also but MS beat them
with their trojan horse.
But it also got me worried that since Google now has its own handset company,
its going to run it as a business with the intention to recover its expenses and make a profit, which is natural but it also means it will be competing with its own licensees like HTC, Samsung, LG etc.
What does this mean in the future for its Android licensees who are now its
rivals in the Android Market?
It almost seems unprofessional for Google to be both License Holder and now competitor yet i cant blame Google for buying up Motorola after the way
Apple is throwing its weight around with Samsung, HTC etc
Anyway Nokia does own Symbian and competed with the same licensees like Sony Ericksonn, Samsung etc in the past.
So I guess Google can do its best to reassure its Android licensees that
its still business as usual.
Google's primary objective seemed to be keeping the patents out of the hands of Microsoft/Apple/trolls. They certainly didn't need more to worry about.
As for their phones... I think (and hope!) that Google plans on treating them the same way they treat Chrome: Use Motorola to make the other players step up their game. Chrome was the first to market with a large variety of security technology, and since then both IE and Safari have started adopting similar technology... the Android ecosystem is currently a security nightmare!
Lets hope, though, that this is nothing like Nokia & Symbian... Nokia's purchase of Symbian was a total failure, everyone around it immediately began abandoning it, and then even NOKIA did! Nokia has also abandoned Meego, only throwing out the N9 to the non-major markets, with no intention of selling it in the larger markets. Symbian is more likely an example of Android crushing them, and Meego of Microsoft paying them a butt load of money (plus management FROM Microsoft!), so hopefully both examples will look totally different.
Yep, this is all about patents.
It won't greatly affect its relationship with giving out Android to other manufacturers. However, we'll hopefully see moto phones be all Nexus like and on every carrier with various styles and configurations.
I've owned 5 or so Motorola phones over the past decade and you couldn't pay me enough to ever use another.
If for some reason Motorola did become the only Android phone or even the flagship, I'd swap to WM7 or iOS.
I read a few articles about this and a few of them worrying about if android wouldn't be open platform anymore. But google's bread and butter is ad market for search. And search market is shifting to mobile from desktop computer. More android device more money for them. Simply they CAN NOT give up android as an open platform. Thats my 2 cents.
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Future AOSP builds include motoblur... boo
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This was just sent to me.
"Dear MOTODEV member,
Today, Google and Motorola Mobility have announced their intention to enter an agreement under which Google will acquire Motorola Mobility. This is a positive step in Motorola Mobility's evolution and exciting news for the Android ecosystem.
As you know, Motorola Mobility has played a leading role in the advancement of the Android platform globally. With Google, we plan to continue to build upon our 80-year history of technology innovation and take Motorola Mobility's cutting-edge products and solutions to the next level.
We do not expect this announced transaction to have any immediate impact on MOTODEV programs or activities. As the transaction moves forward we will keep you informed as details become available.
As always, technology innovation remains the lifeblood of Motorola Mobility and the success of our developer community remains top priority for MOTODEV.
Sincerely, The MOTODEV team"
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in other words, really nothing is different. Motorola still makes Motorola phones and Google still makes android and the two will never merge, aosp will never be blur, and Motorola will not be the only android phone manufacturer. all this will ever mean is that Google might sometimes get updates to moto a little quicker, and get access to their hardware patents, etc... nothing really that will affect the consumers.
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http://rootzwiki.com/content.php?r=225-The-end-of-MotoBlur
I know who's making my next phone. Thoughts?
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Does this mean unlocked bootloaders for Motorola?!
edit: Also here http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/google-acquiring-motorola-mobility/
Larry page said it will continue to be run as a seperate company.
With that said...Google also has share holders and must improve Motorola mobilities stocks now. So they have to do what's in the best interest of those holders. As much as we would like to believe what they say by only being to strenghten android and their patents I am afraid there will be no choice but to drive extreme inovavtion in moto mob thus cutting other competitors short. They will eventually have little choice honestly.
Point is don't believe all the PR that Google is spreading at the moment.