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Official froyo to be available end of next month

@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Congrats Samsung. Three months after every other company. When will they learn that software development is just as important as hardware development?

they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"

It will likely come sooner to some locations

lafaya said:
they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"
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If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.

Something is NOT better than nothing. I hope they take their time and optimize the stinking releases that have been leaked so far.
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Another month or even two is fine with me. I'd rather they do things properly than rush to please an impatient minority

r3loaded2010 said:
If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.
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You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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on twitter @samsungukmobile confirmed to release froyo in this month, hope it will, maybe 23rd sept?! :-O
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ed10000 said:
You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?

r3loaded2010 said:
The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?
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Because some jackass at Samsung with a big ego can't admit that their filesystem is rubbish and needs to die. Even though they could easily swap it for a better one and give the phone a massive performance boost.
Whoever it is should get fired. Surely their engineers realise this, there must be someone stopping them from doing their job properly.
I hope they do something about it. It really is a strange problem.
JPH certainly wasn't fit to be officially released so I'm not surprised by a delay.

pravk said:
@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Same here in Romania, samsungmobiles.ro said the update will be available around October, 15th...

I prefer to update my phone in October instead of updating it tomorrow with another damn crappy firmware. These koreans have very strange policies about firmware development

I would be very surprised if samsung change filesystem so close to the release - this is not typical for a large company. The leaked roms should be by now a good indication of what to expect. The reason samsung came up with rfs is because of older flash technology, they just seem to feel safer and more comfortable with continuing using in-house solution. Frankly, I don't expect they would ever switch - it would require significant validation, support tools, coordination ... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...

this is really sad....cant believe a company like samsung shipping millions of phones all across the globe cant have a 15 member elite team compile a froyo build which works really well....thats really a shame for samsung imo. We're not talking about needing engineers from another planet with large sized brains to be cracking this one....it just needs a well coordinated prioritized approach.
Wonder when samsung would realize the importance of having a good software team....looks like only HTC has realized the importance of packing in good sw improvements over an os as a winning differentiator.
bah!

gshklover said:
... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...
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If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.

celeronix said:
If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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Agreed. I really like the SGS but this lag issue can't be ignored. If they really refuse to replace their terrible RFS system it seems like an insult. There is no good reason to keep it, we have already had people on this forum come up with significant improvements to the lag by implementing other filesystems.
But then the problem is, who do I go to next
I'm not afraid to switch manufacturer, I do it all the time. Nokia lost me due to crap software, HTC suck at sound quality, SE are super slow with Android updates (their flagship phone is still on 1.6, haha)...
Damn, they're all crap in their own way
Samsung don't make me write you off for good by screwing the SGS owners over

celeronix said:
If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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rdy2go said:
There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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Yeah, I don't think that Samsung will abandon SGS soon. I had i900 Omnia and the best firmware for this one has been released may be a year and a half after it's promo. Funny ha? I remember the first firmware. It was AWESOMELY crappy and sluggish. Sad story
@Maddmatt: I totally agree with you. Now Samsung have a really BIG chance to grow their market share with great phone like our SGS, but they should be fast and quick, fighting for their customers. Because we didn't spent 500$+ for their ignorance policies

i got omnia (the first one, 16GB) and only managed to see one official firmware update, and that's it. Then it was all about Omnia II. Hopefully, they won't do the same with SGS and come up with SGS II anytime soon.

Motorola Mobility reports $56 million net loss

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/28/motorola-mobility-reports-56-million-net-loss-in-q2-3-3-billi/
didn't see this coming

cpam said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/28/motorola-mobility-reports-56-million-net-loss-in-q2-3-3-billi/
didn't see this coming
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And this is a good thing, why?

did I say that is good?

cpam said:
did I say that is good?
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Why the smilies? Lol kind of missleading
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okantomi said:
And this is a good thing, why?
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Because they are a horribly run company. So its good because although not much of a loss any loss shows things need to change. Although I will never purchase another moto product if I can help it for those that will maybe it will force some sort of change

csseale said:
Because they are a horribly run company. So its good because although not much of a loss any loss shows things need to change. Although I will never purchase another moto product if I can help it for those that will maybe it will force some sort of change
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My thoughts are the same. Maybe this will cause the CEO to open his eyes.

BlackDino said:
Why the smilies? Lol kind of missleading
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is used for a big Smiley face, but some use it for a shocked face (like the jaw is dropped)
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okantomi said:
And this is a good thing, why?
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Karma works in this life.
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kurttrail said:
Karma works in this life.
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And if there are no consequences for screwing up, there's no reason to improve.
Of course, the real question is WHY they had a loss. I obviously think they've screwed up plenty of times - see the lack of Euro Xoom updates and locked bootloaders in phones - but it's hard to say how much effect those particular choices had. There are also lots of boring and simple reasons for a loss, like business restructuring or increased product costs.

Motorola was ahead of Apple http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKR_E1 but was never able to make an impact like Apple did. This shows a lack of vision and leadership. The Xoom again is light years ahead of the Ipad in my opinion in terms of HW, but still cannot shake the ipad in terms of market penetration. Last night I was watching the HP tablet add... the key point they made was ..oh we can play flash! sounds silly to us, but my friend (non-geek) was excited saying finally he can watch those foreign language movies on that website which use flash...

Xoom was priced at $600, it did not have a working micro SD solution but now other Android Tablets are coming I think it is kind of late.
For Android in general Motorola has and continues to be too slow releasing upgrades. In Canada in MAY !!! the upgrade to 3.1 !!! is coming soon !!!! it is August. Here is a clue, soon means tomorrow or even later in the week NOT MONTHS !!!! They get Canada 3.1, then so what the latest version is 3.2 it is such a thing that stops any sane person from buying Motorola.
For Android Phones MOTOblur nobody wants it but Motorola

We can't even get 3.2 on our 3g Xoom.....so when ICS comes out we are going to be the last to get it..but this is not just moto Verizon has their hands in that part. But I believe moto should push Verizon if not to just keep us happy but they dont

I think we, by that I mean the XDA and hardware enthusiast, only represent a fraction of Moto's or any other hardware developers sales. The average person probably doesn't realize they haven't received the 3.2 update much less that ICS is in the pike.
Yes I am sure they are aware of us and we are important to them but by no means are we the majority.
When the Xoom finally released Moto was already at work on the next device and the next beyond that.
They don't put much of their resources into supporting a device that has already sold. They want you to buy the next one. Unfortunately building relationships seems to be a thing of the past.
Just my two cents worth.

Sully9663 said:
I think we, by that I mean the XDA and hardware enthusiast, only represent a fraction of Moto's or any other hardware developers sales. The average person probably doesn't realize they haven't received the 3.2 update much less that ICS is in the pike.
Yes I am sure they are aware of us and we are important to them but by no means are we the majority.
When the Xoom finally released Moto was already at work on the next device and the next beyond that.
They don't put much of their resources into supporting a device that has already sold. They want you to buy the next one. Unfortunately building relationships seems to be a thing of the past.
Just my two cents worth.
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Very very well put....thank you

Looks like the next Nexus device may be a Motorola!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...cash/2011/08/15/gIQAR7BgGJ_story.html?hpid=z1

Maybe after the prime... It takes at least a year to develop a new phone.

Maybe secret planning already in the works for sometime. This may not be a bad move for Android as a whole. Personally I think it is great news.

Patent portfolio windfall.
That is all.

I am actually looking forward to the implications this may have. Google will be able to have a direct say in more phones than just the Nexus series. Things like NFC will be able to become more prominent. And I hope that the unlocked bootloaders that Motorola promised and that the Nexus series sports will become an industry standard for Android phones (it slowly looks like this may already be happening).
But, I do hope that this doesn't exclude other manufacturers from participating in the Nexus program. I loved the fact that Google wasn't tied to one specific manufacturer. I really hope that will continue.

Google / Motorola Deal Doesn’t Guarantee a “Nexus Droid”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-nexus-droid/2011/08/15/gIQAHJU3GJ_story.html

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-nexus-droid/2011/08/15/gIQAHJU3GJ_story.html
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Thank goodness, I want the next Nexus, but really don't want a Motorola. I haven't liked any of their android offerings.

Thank goodness, I want the next Nexus, but really don't want a Motorola. I haven't liked any of their android offerings.
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Me too ... Motorola's just aren't appealing :l
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Well, this goes even more in depth on the possibly changes (or lack thereof) with Google's purchase of Motorola. (Thanks to gu1dry on the CM forums)
http://androidandme.com/2011/08/new...ould-happen-to-motorola-after-google-buys-it/

The nexus will remain to be by bidding of manufacturers, I am looking forward to a new samsung nexus, especially with Cyanogen creator now on their board of engineers!

Sigh. The os on nexus phones is pure Google.
This will have zero effect on the NEXT nexus phone. The phone has been in the works since Xmas holiday season....
I would be surprised if the next phone is a not a moto device. Has nothing to do at all with them purchasing them either. Its the ti SoC that is being used that leads to that conclusion.

what do you think about google buying Motorola?

how do you feel about this deal?i personally think its a good move against i**** and microcrap

Agreed.
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Everybody says it's all about patents.

I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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wael hawa said:
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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i dont think so.the source code is released to all at once

wael hawa said:
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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it wont be any different to how the nexus series is now. Motorola will get the updates first purely because they run vanilla android, all the other phone manufacturers take longer because they add their own stuff in.

diggedy said:
it wont be any different to how the nexus series is now. Motorola will get the updates first purely because they run vanilla android, all the other phone manufacturers take longer because they add their own stuff in.
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i agree man.good point

It will be good for the US market, Motorola will sell like crazy, in Europe Russia Asia etc. it will not make much difference.. you'll see..

reptile64 said:
It will be good for the US market, Motorola will sell like crazy, in Europe Russia Asia etc. it will not make much difference.. you'll see..
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yes.your point sounds right

it isn't a direct problem for other productors...but probably motorola start to realize very competitive device, more appetible for people

wael hawa said:
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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josephnero said:
i dont think so.the source code is released to all at once
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i hope so, but i'm not sure. correct me if I'm wrong but google didn't open the code of honeycomb at the moment, maybe tomorrow will not release all the code or will release after time...
we will see

Google hasn't opened up honeycomb but ice cream sandwich is open!
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Apparently the reason google didnt open source honeycomb is that it was an ugly bodge (the code), hacked together in a hurry to get a version that would work on tablets. Guess theyre embarrassed to let people see the mess.
Ice cream is basically honeycomb done *properly*, so that it scales across all devices and is maintainable into the future.
As far as the moto thing goes:
(1) My belief is that it's primarily for patents. Hoping that google will use them to provide umbrella coverage for other manufacturers...
(2) It's a good deal for moto - IMO they were doomed without this. They seem to make great hardware but then inevitably stick crappy software on their phones (blur is only the most recent example). Also bootloader lock-down hell and crappy update schedules. Hopefully google ownership will fix their shortcomings while keeping their strengths and i might actually be able to consider buying a moto phone at some point in my lifetime.

daveybaby said:
Apparently the reason google didnt open source honeycomb is that it was an ugly bodge (the code), hacked together in a hurry to get a version that would work on tablets. Guess theyre embarrassed to let people see the mess.
Ice cream is basically honeycomb done *properly*, so that it scales across all devices and is maintainable into the future.
As far as the moto thing goes:
(1) My belief is that it's primarily for patents. Hoping that google will use them to provide umbrella coverage for other manufacturers...
(2) It's a good deal for moto - IMO they were doomed without this. They seem to make great hardware but then inevitably stick crappy software on their phones (blur is only the most recent example). Also bootloader lock-down hell and crappy update schedules. Hopefully google ownership will fix their shortcomings while keeping their strengths and i might actually be able to consider buying a moto phone at some point in my lifetime.
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couldnt state it better myself

Motorola Nexus Rumor

I guess the lesson here is that if you are not a Verizon customer, don't buy a Motorola product. Otherwise, you are treated like a booger...nice and shiny that gets lot of attention for a minute, and then flicked away and forgotten. Even though the Razor Nexus is a rumor, I think it will become a reality in the near future.
Oh yea, the other lesson here, don't always believe everything Motorola says. haha
http://www.examiner.com/article/report-motorola-will-make-next-google-nexus-smartphone

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

this is highly beleievable to be honest :good:
seeing as google own motorola, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together really lol they gain extra profit without having to share the profit with the phone manufacturer because they are the phone manufacturing as well as software manufacturer lol

This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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djluis48 said:
This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)

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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)
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That turned out to just be one elaborate hoax, the guy/gal who started it came forward. No multiple nexus phones, theme centre and so on.
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I'd consider that. I'm happy with the hardware. That whole ICS cocktease was absurd tho.
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No more Moto for me. Hardware is fine but update support is minor.

but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps

attrixnor said:
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.

CaelanT said:
The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.

attrixnor said:
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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To expand on the previous post. There are many security flaws in GB. Look ho often desk tops are updated to close possible exploits. With smart phones becoming ever more popular they are coming under increasing threats. JB fixes many of the possible exploits. My phone contains most of my personal data including banking information. I want to keep that data safe.
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i anderstand so much now

CaelanT said:
The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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ccrows said:
^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.

if motorola dev read us pretty sure , please post the new kernel for ics ....a gift for christmas :highfive:
go back to earth
xda dev work hard on new lg kernel i think ... it's our only way

ticiano_arraes said:
Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.
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But, what I see as the major beef from the majority of people is nothing more than the fact they didn't get the update. Most people, including those who frequent the XDA (Atrix) forums here, couldn't tell you what is different other than to say UI, face unlock, and kernel.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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You don't seem to realize just how much influence the management can have over development.
I'm also a full-time developer so I know.

Rarz nexus hohoh
always the same appearance of the Razr, never innovates