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I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS

So don't use them?

Oh i don't. Couldn't, they are not full roms, incomplete

Well they are just trying to bring that new experience to everyone else. One of the most popular roms for our phone doesnt have 4g or hdmi working, and the ported roms dont have those working + camera not working. It really aint that bad. If you can put up with Cyanogenmod, then you can put up with the other ports.
Cyanogenmod and the ports are all pretty much faster than the stock roms too, so there's a huge plus side right there.

snandlal said:
I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS
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First go read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814274
Second when you develop YOUR Desire HD ROM let us know we are dieing for a full working version.
Sorry that the ROMs that are incomplete have put you out. Maybe you should flash stock everything works on it.
Also please try to refrain from post more brainless topics.

i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality

snandlal said:
i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality
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I don't know what your talking about the only ROMs that are incomplete are the HD Desire ROMs. ALL of the other ROMs should be complete. I know my ROM is or at least as far as I know it is. You are not everyone, some people don't use the camera and don't live in a 4G area (most of us). So the HD Desire ROMs appeal to them. Quite thinking about yourself for a moment.
Also those "incomplete" desire roms give people like me a chance to star developing new ROMs using it as a base. SO when the camera is fixed we will be ready to rock. I'm sure THAT would be fine with you.
The world is full of other people.. just letting you know.

snandlal said:
i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality
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I am guessing the new ROM your using had everything from the beginning? Camera worked perfect, 4G worked perfect, HDMI worked perfect, no bugs what-so-ever? It doesn't have Sense does it...hopefully not...
Can I know the name of this Rom, if so? And I am guessing its made by you, because who would be stupid enough to bad mouth other people's work that they have done for FREE and because they enjoy it and want to share it with the rest of us.
I really think you should go elsewhere, and stay off XDA. As this site is about helping people, not bad mouthing what these people are doing for us because they want to.
Thanks.

snandlal said:
I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS
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What does this post contribute? Nothing. Does it serve a point other than to express your self-valued opinion? No.
gtfo

Look at these so called roms. They have lists of important features that "aren't working". They keep adding useless apps and call it a new version. Pathetic

Uncle jimmy says hello

Ok so what do you suggest? Maybe the rom DEVELOPERS, key word devolpers, should hold out on these roms until its completely functional and not give anyone the chance to DEVELOP them and test for bugs and issues? Im sorry but did Apple release a fully working OS for Iphone? Or did Verizon release a fully working Droid rom, or Sprint a fully working EVO rom? Maybe had these companies release fully working products then XDA and custom roms wouldnt exist. The roms are created to give users a better product and make them work the way they should have out of the box. Cyanogen started a 2.2 rom for the hero that had items that didnt work at first but through testing releases and community feedback they got it completely working.
Id like a copy of YOUR completely working rom. Id like to run it for a week and prove theres not a single issue what so ever.
The developers clearly state that its an incomplete rom if theres items not working and clearly tell you what isnt working. They do this to give you the option to test with them or to stay away.
Your post, and Im sure you know this, is the exact reason developers have left here. Maybe you should create your own site, develop your own roms, and forget XDA. Had it not been for here my 3 previous phones and this one would be in the trash because of HTC and Sprints crap software that gave horrible battery life.
Thanks to Fresh's rom Im at 18h 21m and 40% battery left. On Sprints crap I was dead 8 hours. Ill gladly take a developmental rom to get that kind of battery, especially since I havent found anything not working.

Oh get off their nuts. Its been months. You test fully functioning software with bugs and glitches....NOT part of an OS and call it testing. The functions AREN'T there to test

Actually slick, you test the working parts of the rom while developers complete the parts that arent working and release update when their fixed. Have you never been part of a beta community or testing in general? Game developers (Infinity Ward for example) do this before every release. Call of Duty is a prime example. They release partially finished products then finish the remaining aspects.
So how about your rom? It sounds like its the best one ever made.

Actually ****, there is nothing to test. Its "what doesn't work" action. Say your only about partial. Typical simp

Get back to work kiesha

Ok, your right and I apologize for questioning your abilities as a developer and thinking you actually were as impaired as your posts make you seem. I guess its time to go back to Sprints stock rom and deal with the inability to put out a quality product that doesnt need further developing.
I look forward to the masterpiece youve created and hopefully soon it will be released to show the world what a dominating force you are in the development world.
And no, there is absolutely no sarcasm in this post at all, you really are my hero...

Another ungrateful person who complains when things don't happen the way they think it should posting another pointless thread that is meant to stir **** up.
Sent from my HTC SUPERSONIC

Thank you. Finally you guys see. Im glad people can admit when they are looking at things wrong

Ungrateful is using or having something and not appreciating it. I dont use those junkies

[Q] What do you want in a ROM?

1. Clean: Optimized, nothing at all installed over the basic OS.
2. Clean + Sense: Optimized, Sense, nothing else. Basically Sense apps/widgets that you can't download via Manager would have to be included.
3. Like most ROMS are now. Lots of pre-installed apps.
My opinion:
A ROM should be a CLEAN install of the OS that is optimized, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else should be up to the owner of the phone to decide. Cleaner = better. Apps can easily be downloaded/backed up. No I don't want Twitter/Facebook/SoundHound/Teeter/YouTube/Amazon etc etc etc pre-installed. If I want an App it can EASILY be installed and BACKED UP via Titanium Backup.
Apps are sometimes going to bug and use up CPU so the phone lags (like on the stock ROM). It's stupid that an App I have and NEVER will use is causing my phone to LAG.
Custom/Stock ROMS reminds me of a Windows XP install from HP with all the extra stuff pre-installed that you don't need or want. Less is more IMHO.
I would love to try option 1 and 2.
What would YOU like to see in a ROM? Hopefully this will be a great thread for the ROM makers to make something that most of us want.

I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO

nandihno said:
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying. "What do you want in a ROM?" is kind of... I don't know... sounds like "users will write their expectations and some obedient developer will do it". I don't like it.

mike1986. said:
Well... *cut***cut*....just saying.
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I agree with you, we should (and DO) appreciate all the work Dev's are doing on providing custom roms (for free).
Having said that: the topic question is what do you want in a ROM...so it can be anything really....
I am more looking what is available and choose from that, rather than thinking / asking, Hey Dev, can you add this or that....
But if I could....I would like my ROM to have the coffee ready when it lets the phone wake me with its alarm out of my ever so short sleep

mike1986. said:
Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
mike1986. said:
2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
mike1986. said:
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.

Beamen1 said:
That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
Beamen1 said:
Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
Beamen1 said:
I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.

I'd love a clean ROM with htcsense.com working but nothing else from Sense.

I also am of the clean school of thought, I do regularly uninstall apps I don't use from the ROM's I use, and my personal feeling is if it's on the marketplace leave it out (and I am including the Gapps in this).
I realise this isn't everyones preference but then you can never please all of the people, on the other hand we are using the DEV's FREE work so I suppose we have to be happy with whatever they choose

mike1986. said:
Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Ok? Nevermind then.
mike1986. said:
It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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You can always install extra launchers, kernels etc. A ROM doesn't need to contain everything. A ROM (IMHO) should be the OS, the back bone of the phone, not the whole system. If I want to OC my PC I don't get a "Windows 7 with Radeon 5880 + iCore prossesor already clocked, and here is 5 other programs that I like".
I get a Windows OS, I install my ATI drivers, install the OC things I need for MY setup and install the apps/games I WANT.
mike1986. said:
Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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This 15min times every new update that is released if you want the newest "OS".
That depends. Every one has different motives. Why would the developers of a ROM do ANY changes based on user feedback (I'm not talking about bugs) if they didn't care for the fact that others are using THEIR ROM?
Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
mike1986. said:
Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
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Look over.
Don't get me wrong. I'm VERY thankful for this forum and everyone that puts time into making ROMs and Kernels, but it would be fun to get feedback from the forums. Maybe (and hopefully) someone will make the "clean" ROM if the feedback here is pointing in that direction.

Beamen1 said:
Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).

mike1986. said:
This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Maybe a ROM developer actually WANTS to make a CLEAN install with Sense? Maybe his passion is developing ROMS?
Look at FORUM ADMINS/MODS. They don't get payed ANYTHING for ALL the work they do because they think it's fun. This includes admins/mods on "exotic car boards" that do modding work for free instead of making THOUSANDS of dollars instead. They do it because they enjoy it.
Some people LOVE working on cars, some people HATE working on cars. The people that really LOVE working on cars will do work (very good work I might add) for free/close to nothing because that's what they like to do.
Just because you don't want to spend hours of your life making a CLEAN Rom doesn't mean other Devs don't want to.
You are certain I won't pay? How would you know? You know NOTHING about me.
I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.

You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.

mike1986. said:
You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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How is it pointless? Because YOU don't like the idea?
Someone told you to make a ROM? Why would anyone make a ROM if they didn't want to (unless that was their job, with an hourly pay)?
Maybe some Devs never though about making a CLEAN ROM with Sense until they saw this thread? Who knows.
Maybe some Dev wants to make the most popular ROM for Desire HD. By the looks of it he/she will have over 90% of all DHD users that are running custom ROMS Satisfying enough for someone to try it? Maybe
Let's wait and find out
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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I NEVER said for the Devs to MAKE me one. If that was the case I would probably have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for their time to make a clean ROM.
It's a poll. I would like to know what owners and Devs think. Maybe this is the next "step" to take in ROMS.

Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.

There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?

mike1986. said:
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?

munkimatt said:
Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
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+1 on this statement, i voted clean + sense because for me WHEN htc sort out the issues with sense.com it will be nice to know i can basically destroy the insides of my phone and make it unuseable to any fugger that might happen to find/steal it, without having a load of different apps made by third party that only do one part of sense.com per app. also the main thing for me wanting a dhd was the dolby mobile and srs functions, not sure if this is a valid point but from what i gather these settings can only be changed when using the stock sense music player that comes with the stock rom... The day Cyanogen was ported i rejoiced thinking yay finally i can completely control my phone only to discover that "computer says no" and i lose all my htc sense syncability as well as losing the function to choose the dolby settings or srs in the music player... That is why leedroid became rom of choice to me for now as it came with very little apps installed i did not want myself and i get all these functions still running the way they should
as for the two people arguing, you both sound like whiney annoying brats the way you are going on.. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, but i will remind you that EVERYONE ALSO HAS AN ARSEHOLE this does not mean i want to see every bloody arsehole of every bloody person just cos they think it looks pretty.......
A rom with nothing on except sense framework and some basic apps that obviously let the phone function fully is totally DESIREable
meh to anyone that wants to try and bash people for having an idea that someone doesnt agree with
meh to you

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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
Why don't you people make such a discussion on Microsoft forum, huh? "Windows 8 - what would you like to have included in the OS". What is the voting for? You think that CLEAN SENSE ROM will have 80% and in one moment all devs will listen to the majority and make such ROM's? You think that there is no developer thinking about clean sense ROM already? I know at least 2 are working on it.
You want clean sense rom? THEN WAIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE. We know that there is a need for such ROM's like in every device section. Desire HD is not different in this point.

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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
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Like I SAID 3? times before. I'm going out and asking what members WANT from a ROM. The larger majority of the users have said they want a ROM to be an "OS" - as in CLEAN, NO APPS, with HTC Sense. No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
If you want to discuss this further, please PM me. We have filled this forum with enough OT talk.

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No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
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WTF are u talking about? Your idea? Clean ROM's are your idea? Are you kidding me?
No, I don't hate the idea. Idea is good and it's known since long time to make clean ROMs. I just hate (no hate - I don't like is a better word) the way you express it.

Fully COMPLETE Roms discussion....

Ok I really disappointed in the Xperia x10 development section.
The only usable Roms are based on 2.1. Now these roms are fantastic. Really do the job well and I would class them as fully operational.
Now the other threads based on 2.2,2.3,MIUI etc are indeed under development. Some excellent work going on and if the 3 Musketeers could only project manage then Im sure a full working rom would be achieved.
So really Im wondering why XDA does not have a full working rom section that allows noobs like myself to go to to download knowing its a fully tested working rom?
Now before the fanboys jump all over me I would state that I am a donator to worthwhile causes and development but seriously the roms released so far can in no way be advertised as stable enough for daily use. It is a phone after all....eg. In one prominent thread today a developer is congratulated for releasing a rom that cannot make a telephone call.......Yesterday one was congratulated for an update that doesnt allow the phone to even switch on!
I do notice in the majority of other areas of XDA there are plenty of full working roms for other devices. Im fully aware that SE's security on this device has so far made it impossible to cook a newer version of android without using old parts.
So perhaps the x10 forum sections do indeed need an area for full working roms. Id presume the developers would also like this so they can transfer there work to it when completed and in return be suitable rewarded for there efforts.
Your thoughts?

I'm releasing a gingerbread rom today with everything working! Oh hai jk guise nothing works lulz
On a serious note, free x10 has been great to me..only issue is camcorder, but it is otherwise perfect

fiscidtox said:
I'm releasing a gingerbread rom today with everything working! Oh hai jk guise nothing works lulz
On a serious note, free x10 has been great to me..only issue is camcorder, but it is otherwise perfect
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Thanks for your reply. I did indeed try this ROM but I was getting way to many errors in my day to day use for it to be considered stable for daily use. I was also not keen on the support from developer. I believe he has been MIA now for a considerable time....
I do fully understand though that without that developer I would not have been able to do the majority of things I have done to my phone....Hopefully this ROM will one day be Fully working and can be classified as such...

Weird I have not had a single issue... I use my phone a lot too.

I've been using wolfbreaks 2.2.1 CM6.1.3 for about ten days and it's stable. No stock videocam but flash & apps2sd more than make up for it. Very quick and aesthetically pleasing.
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Weird I have not had a single issue... I use my phone a lot too.
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Well Im sure you are in the minority going by my experiences and the other comments in that huge thread!!!
I do appreciate though that we all use our phones in different ways....

sinkster said:
I've been using wolfbreaks 2.2.1 CM6.1.3 for about ten days and it's stable. No stock videocam but flash & apps2sd more than make up for it. Very quick and aesthetically pleasing.
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Again tried and far from stable! Perhaps though that is where the issues arise....One mans stable is another mans manic!
My version of stable is a ROM that allows me to use all my hardware functions and reports no errors.....Just like stock....

Ever think maybe it's you? I've been keeping up with the free x10 thread and most people don't report errors other than the camcorder..

non working camera and videocam is a deal breaker for me, therefore still sticking with official.

fiscidtox said:
Ever think maybe it's you? I've been keeping up with the free x10 thread and most people don't report errors other than the camcorder..
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No I am experienced enough thanks to this site to dowload the rom and install. If you cant see the other reports of errors in that thread then perhaps it is me and I need my eyes tested....
Battery drainage?
Screen responsiveness?
Dropping 3g connection?
To name but 3......

Anyhow going slightly off topic when really the point is too see if anyone else thinks a section for fully working roms would be helpful?

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I've been using wolfbreaks 2.2.1 CM6.1.3 for about ten days and it's stable. No stock videocam but flash & apps2sd more than make up for it. Very quick and aesthetically pleasing.
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If thats the one on V4....then i agree its really good. Besides no video recording it has been awesome. Probably my fav rom higher than 2.1.
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I think it's a great idea, but it will be difficult because of the word "fully worked/stable" (what for one person is stable is not for another)

Sure you could put that section in but don't expect to see a single rom that is 2.2+ in there. I realistically as much as i hope I'm wrong don't expect to ever see one in there. This phone is pretty much at the end of it's run now and the bootloader is still locked with no intention from SE to unlock it due to certain copyrighted materials and the such. Sad but a fact i think we all need to start facing.
I almost think we're at the point where there is very little more that can be done other than variations of the same roms already available.
Please do not take this as a shot at the devs as i have much respect for the work they do and without them my phone wouldn't be half what it is today. But in my opinion its time to stop wishing and hoping for things that just aren't in the cards with this particular piece of hardware.

did you come here just to complain? atleast they are making something and wasting thier time for us stop moaning and if your unhappy then dont flash the roms otherwise be happy with what you get.

BackOrLay said:
No I am experienced enough thanks to this site to dowload the rom and install. If you cant see the other reports of errors in that thread then perhaps it is me and I need my eyes tested....
Battery drainage?
Screen responsiveness?
Dropping 3g connection?
To name but 3......
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These kind of bugs are always reported about OFFICIAL ROMs also Just read every thread after every update from SE etc
I'm using [MOD][rendeiro2005]Cyanogen6.1.3_v01 (CM-updated) for many weeks now for my daily use... Working awesome... Camera works, just video-recording doesn't work properly... This is the only issue... ROM works like a charm

fiscidtox said:
Ever think maybe it's you? I've been keeping up with the free x10 thread and most people don't report errors other than the camcorder..
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The FreeX10 (beta4) is still 2.2.1 (I'm using it as we speak, very stable, I can't complain). The only 2.3 ROM I've seen discussed for the SE Xperia x10 is Cyanogen CM7.0 RC1 v005 Gingerbread 2.3.3, which --based on current thread discussion, I haven't tried it myself-- appears to be very unstable at this time.
If there's another 2.3 ROM for the X10 circulating the forums, I haven't seen it. Then again, I haven't really looked through the entire thread.

great
I like what this was supposed to become but not what it s actually.
I'm also a new x10 user, I come from htc desire (z). and I was happy to see that it was far more easy to root the x10i and remove the root when the phone has to go for reparation.
It was not my intention to come and play with different roms, but deu to a wrong installation of a theme I had to instal a custom rom. Now, I like the stock X10 interface. so I'm looking for roms who runs better as the stock rom but look more or less the same...
any suggestions?

Mano1982 said:
These kind of bugs are always reported about OFFICIAL ROMs also Just read every thread after every update from SE etc
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Not true. I don't have those issues, and neither does Eternity, Blue Sparks, etc.
I think this is a good idea, but in practice would fail. There are FAR too few "fully functional" ROMs to warrant a separate forum. Maybe we should just start using [STABLE] tags or something.
There would seriously be like 5 legit posts in that forum, and then it would get filled up with crap till it's unusable.

for u, i think the stock rom and the JIT mod will do it for u if u like the stock rom =)

android 2.1 second chance

Hi all,
My phone was on kyrillos ROM 5.5 and recently my wife also bought a SG3 i5800.
Her phone had android 2.1 on it by default, so I could compare the phones side by side.
What I found:
-her phone (android 2.1) "fully installed with apps" was smoother than mine, even when my phone was clocked to 800Mhz "fixed" high performance with fugumod 2.4 beta3.
The smoother behaviour of froyo 2.1 best came out in a game "fruit ninja".
On my froyo 2.2 + kyrillos 5.5 i had choppier graphics when the screen was very full of fruit and lots of sounds and you swiped the screen at the same time.
The android 2.1 though had no issues with this at all, the gameplay was smooth with no difference of busy graphics, sounds and screen swiping (slicing the fruit) at the same time.
As a test I put the latest froyo 2.1 release from samfirmware on my phone, and now I'm enjoying smooth phone also, no overclocking necessary and great battery life too.
ofcourse linpack now shows 3000 again, while it was 9000 before, but in practice the phone is faster....can somebody explain that?
So I will stay on froyo 2.1 for now, how it lasts in time, and maybe later I try a custom ROM again on froyo ...when I am in an experimental mood again.
I didn't use ext4 partitions before the downgrade, so no issues for me regarding filesystems
As a free gift now I can kill some tasks that don't restart themselves automatically.
BTW the camera works great, no crashes in froyo 2.1
When do we see the NEW custom 2.1 ROMS appear ??? )
Br.
Michel

clarkkov said:
This is not the 2.1 vs 2.2 issue. This is STOCK vs CUSTOM issue. This is what I'm trying to say all the time, but I get misunderstood.
Try the stock 2.2 vs stock 2.1 an you'll see that 2.2 is indeed better and faster than 2.1. As offensive might this sound, no offense is intended, but custom ROMs slow your phone down, they are broken and poorly done. You may have installed your custom ROM the wrong way or did something wrong while installing, but still, the FACT remains, custom ROMs for SG3 are broken and some tweaks and hacks don't work as intended.
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Hahaha your words scream FLAME ME but the fact is that I have to agree. Even the custom themes are buggy (not all but most of them). They seem to be incomplete, the text is somehow misplaced, especially in dialog boxes and the download percentage in notification area is unreadable... I have a theory as to the cause of that... All we see are CUSTOMISED roms and themes. If someone makes something original most of these issues will be resolved I believe. I am no developer nor trying to be smart. I respect the developers and I understand how hard is to make a fully working rom. I thank all of them especially Lestat who imo has the best rom. But the only one TRUE developer has to be marcellusbe. Only he is trying something original. Let's hope he pulls it off.
Peace...
Sent from my lestatious 2.0 nokia 3210

Panos_dm said:
But the only one TRUE developer has to be marcellusbe. Only he is trying something original. Let's hope he pulls it off.
Peace...
Sent from my lestatious 2.0 nokia 3210
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what about our dev-team? we are doing the exact same as marcellusbe, porting whole ROM (MIUI) and almost nobody cares... and to be a exact porting a ROM is not original and if it would be original still our team was porting MIUI wayyyy before marcellusbes CM7. now sorry if i sound like a 90 year old grandma but even tough we were porting before CM7 everybody thinks that nobody hasnt done anything like this before CM7 OMG AMAAAAZINGG!!!
@MARCELLUSBE if you read this dont be offended and if you are offended PM me
thats all

jazux said:
what about our dev-team? we are doing the exact same as marcellusbe, porting whole ROM (MIUI) and almost nobody cares... and to be a exact porting a ROM is not original and if it would be original still our team was porting MIUI wayyyy before marcellusbes CM7. now sorry if i sound like a 90 year old grandma but even tough we were porting before CM7 everybody thinks that nobody hasnt done anything like this before CM7 OMG AMAAAAZINGG!!!
@MARCELLUSBE if you read this dont be offended and if you are offended PM me
thats all
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Ok jazux. Your team too. Listen I don't want anyone to be offended but he (and his team) are the only ones who compile aosp. Something not easy as well as ORIGINAL. If I'm not mistaken all your team does is to port apps and the whole MIUI feeling to Froyo. Correct? Of course you have your share of hard work and fame but in the end we'll have a great, provably, 2.2 rom with MIUI skin...
P.S. Again NO OFFENSE MEANT. All of you keep up the good work.
Peace...
Sent from my lestatious 2.0 nokia 3210

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Ok jazux. Your team too. Listen I don't want anyone to be offended but he (and his team) are the only ones who compile aosp. Something not easy as well as ORIGINAL. If I'm not mistaken all your team does is to port apps and the whole MIUI feeling to Froyo. Correct? Of course you have your share of hard wok and fame but in the end we'll have a great, provably, 2.2 rom with MIUI skin...
P.S. Again NO OFFENSE MEANT. All of you keep up the good work.
Peace...
Sent from my lestatious 2.0 nokia 3210
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no offense taken
but just to let you and everybody else know: the problem is that everyone thinks this is easy and CM7 is hard as,hard but really this is not something that can be done like that MIUI is super hard to port because its designed to run on high-end devices and thus we have to sacrifise some things to get it working on loooooow-end phone. and MIUI is based on android 2.3 wich means our MIUI willl also be based on 2.3

I understand Clarkkov and respect his opinion as user but I don't like to think that way.
You can't ask ROM cookers here to deliver professional ROM like Samfirmware.
EDIT: In fact, when you got your SG3, it has a stock ROM. If you went here to try custom ROM, that would say the original was not good enought for you.
Some month ago, when I bought my SG3, I knew nothing about ROMs and Android. Thanks to ROM Cookers and some advanced users, I learnt a lot while flashing (again and again) ROMs they made.
OK, theses ROMs could be buggy, could made your phone slower ... but they also brings to you some stuffs that are not in the stock ROMs. If it's buggy or badly done, users should give feedbacks to the developpers to help them and solve theses issues.
Android is complex and usefull infos are hard to find sometimes .... I say bravo to ROM cooker to achieve a working ROM, even if it has some issues, because it's not an easy task espcially if you are not a programmer and know nothing about linux/android.

marcellusbe said:
I understand Clarkkov and respect his opinion as user but I don't like to think that way.
You can't ask ROM cookers here to deliver professional ROM like Samfirmware.
EDIT: In fact, when you got your SG3, it has a stock ROM. If you went here to try custom ROM, that would say the original was not good enought for you.
Some month ago, when I bought my SG3, I knew nothing about ROMs and Android. Thanks to ROM Cookers and some advanced users, I learnt a lot while flashing (again and again) ROMs they made.
OK, theses ROMs could be buggy, could made your phone slower ... but they also brings to you some stuffs that are not in the stock ROMs. If it's buggy or badly done, users should give feedbacks to the developpers to help them and solve theses issues.
Android is complex and usefull infos are hard to find sometimes .... I say bravo to ROM cooker to achieve a working ROM, even if it has some issues, because it's not an easy task espcially if you are not a programmer and know nothing about linux/android.
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Now i m not a developer but as a Custom ROM (Indroid 4.3) user I keep chasing clarkkov. Marcei is right, we all came to XDA as we were not satisfied with our stock ROM.
I think clarkkov has a problem or two with some of the developers. How wud u feel if i say the stock theme was much better than the theme u ported? That is what happens when u try to criticise the custom rom developers. they are much better than u, atleast they are trying to get something better for the users.

@jajux: can u give me the link of ur MIUI rom ported and where can i see the screenshot of SG3 running MIUI ROM.
And i tell u one thing: if u r doing good, u will be appreciated, sooner or later.

brjshshrma said:
@jajux: can u give me the link of ur MIUI rom ported and where can i see the screenshot of SG3 running MIUI ROM.
And i tell u one thing: if u r doing good, u will be appreciated, sooner or later.
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you mean download link for the ROM? sorry cant give you that and screenshots will arrive when we get launcher working properly on our screen (no overshooting)

marcellusbe said:
I understand Clarkkov and respect his opinion as user but I don't like to think that way.
You can't ask ROM cookers here to deliver professional ROM like Samfirmware.
EDIT: In fact, when you got your SG3, it has a stock ROM. If you went here to try custom ROM, that would say the original was not good enought for you.
Some month ago, when I bought my SG3, I knew nothing about ROMs and Android. Thanks to ROM Cookers and some advanced users, I learnt a lot while flashing (again and again) ROMs they made.
OK, theses ROMs could be buggy, could made your phone slower ... but they also brings to you some stuffs that are not in the stock ROMs. If it's buggy or badly done, users should give feedbacks to the developpers to help them and solve theses issues.
Android is complex and usefull infos are hard to find sometimes .... I say bravo to ROM cooker to achieve a working ROM, even if it has some issues, because it's not an easy task espcially if you are not a programmer and know nothing about linux/android.
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So you learnd android in a couple of months? Did you had any knowledge of coding before?

RafayelG said:
So you learnd android in a couple of months? Did you had any knowledge of coding before?
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Ah yes ... I have an experience of ASM MC680x0 on Amiga and Atari ST

marcellusbe said:
Ah yes ... I have an experience of ASM MC680x0 on Amiga and Atari ST
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Can you plz teach me some android developement when you have time. (I know you are quite busy but I would really appriciate it, I also speak Flemish btw.)

clarkkov said:
ROTFL!!!
You should get a life
Sent from cramped soft keyboard!
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what is happening here ?
Hi guys,
My intention was to inform you with my experiences on android 2.1 and certainly not starting a heavy discussion about custom ROMs and criticism about ROM cookers/designers.
I think the guys who make custom ROMS are great, enabling features that normally are not available in stock ROMS.
Only thing is that my end-user experience with android 2.1 is very good, smooth gaming and no camera issues anymore.
So.... as i wrote earlier.... would there be a "challenge" to make custom roms based on froyo 2.1 ?? Maybe a poll is an option to find out
Br.
Michel

Im also on Kyrillios 5.7 and my phone is a lot faster than with 2.1 .... try to flash some different versions of 2.2 or flash one version twice to see if it becoms better. stock or modded

Just to make some things clear to you:
You say froyo 2.1, but it is android 2.1 eclair OR android 2.2 froyo. Froyo 2.1 is wrong

@remygo
Hi,
I would maybe switch to froyo 2.2 when the game called "fruit ninja" runs smooth even with busy graphics and sound and slicing. Can you confirm it is smooth also on kyrillos 5.7?
Br. Michel

after reading the first post i seriously wanted to give eclair another chance.. which i already did once but the devil didn't let me be in peace as i had downgraded. but i was wanting to give it another go.., but i tried I5800XWJPI from samfirmware which is a may release for Europe comes up with a different language.
i was very impressed with the speed improvement as well the the new market and new maps were built into it which is the first two apps i checked for version coz i loved the new market app.
gps locks in seconds so i took some tips mentioned by clarkkov to optimize the sg3.
i will see how the battery life goes with this one. phone is still not rooted nor OC'd no custom kernels yet..

great
Well i found fruit ninja 1.3.3 on 4shared, incl. Zen mode!
This version looks much better on my apollo sg3.
The stuttering i saw before on froyo was already solved by loading eclair 2.1 but now it also looks much sharper.
Thanks for this advice. It really helped me.
Br. Michel

brjshshrma said:
Now i m not a developer but as a Custom ROM (Indroid 4.3) user I keep chasing clarkkov. Marcei is right, we all came to XDA as we were not satisfied with our stock ROM.
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Well not ALL of us.
I came here because I always mod the hell out of EVERY device I own. (Playstation, Wii, smartphones, windows, etc...)
But getting back to the op... there were lots of things I liked better about my 2.1 (starting with the keyboard and the wallpapers mine came with.) But other than the fact that 2.2 runs seems to run Angry Birds a bit slower... I've been cool with it and haven't had any of the camera problems and other problems people have had.

HD2 Android development stall

I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???

We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?

Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl,
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No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.
Peteryoung said:
we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such.
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Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.
Peteryoung said:
Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues,
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What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.
Peteryoung said:
and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know,
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Correct.
Peteryoung said:
but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...
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Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.
Peteryoung said:
I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works,
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Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.
Peteryoung said:
just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead.
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Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.
Peteryoung said:
The roms used to work 100%,
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Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.
Peteryoung said:
but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round.
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Then go download one?!?!
Peteryoung said:
And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!
Peteryoung said:
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!
I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!
PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.

ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on

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ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.

TheATHEiST said:
Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.

Playing the devil here:
At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.
I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.
It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.
I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.
I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.
If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.
Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.

A retraction
Guys, I'm sorry
I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.
I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.
I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times
I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.
I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.
Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more!
Apologies xda, I love you really xx
Peteryoung
P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round?

Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.
Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself....

fred_up said:
Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
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Exactly
we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress
it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week
Cheers...