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[USB PORT] Would this be possible?

I am considering getting a Xoom when they become available in the UK, to replace my laptop when travelling, however my music collection on my portable hard drive is 41Gb, and I would like to play some of this via Xoom.
I know I probably would not use all of the 41Gb of music all the time, but sometimes I get an urge to listen to an obscure song, so would there be anyway I could connect my External Hard Drive to the USB port on the Xoom? Or would this be totally impossible?
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I do not have the wiring/cords in my office for this but do at home, I will give it a try this evening. Seems certain they would have to build the capability into the OS, so who knows.

Almost certainly no. Even if the port can be a USB host, android is not setup to deal with external non SD storage.
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Not yet, but it should be when the sd card update goes live. You should check the motorola support forums where this has been directly covered by the moto dev responsible for said usb port.

So what are the USB Ports for on the Speaker Dock for?
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https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/329075

Not entirely true. The Gtab port can be used as a USB host and I have no problem plugging in a flash drive. The atrix (with the lapdock) can also use USB host ports with external storage. There are hit and miss results with external drives, but that has more to do with power than anything else.
Bauxite said:
Almost certainly no. Even if the port can be a USB host, android is not setup to deal with external non SD storage.
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familiarstranger said:
Not entirely true. The Gtab port can be used as a USB host and I have no problem plugging in a flash drive. The atrix (with the lapdock) can also use USB host ports with external storage. There are hit and miss results with external drives, but that has more to do with power than anything else.
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...1218305636450&skuId=1946179&st=xoom&cp=1&lp=1
Note: Optical drive not included
Compatible with optional external recordable CD/DVD drives (not included).

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Bauxite said:
Almost certainly no. Even if the port can be a USB host, android is not setup to deal with external non SD storage.
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Not entirely true. The Gtab port can be used as a USB host and I have no problem plugging in a flash drive.
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Completely agree. I definitely used USB drives on my G-Tablet. Haven't tried on my Adam yet, but I assume it's the same.

I would love to see Android burning DVDs. Take a quick video with your digital camera. Plus the camera into the zoom, edit it with the movie editor app, burn to disk.
Torrent a Linux bootable CD IMG burn to disk and fix a friends broken computer.
With the Tegra 3 quadcores on the horizon, bluetooth keyboard compatibility and this I see less and less reason for most people to need a laptop.
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...1218305636450&skuId=1946179&st=xoom&cp=1&lp=1
Note: Optical drive not included
Compatible with optional external recordable CD/DVD drives (not included).
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I was told that it will support portable blue ray players through the USB. If its available at this time is another question, the only way to know is for someone to try.
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I was told that it will support portable blue ray players through the USB. If its available at this time is another question, the only way to know is for someone to try.
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Whoever told you that was trying to make a sale.

[Q] Full sized USB and dslr camera?

Anyone try attaching a camera via the full sized USB, I would hope the iconia would act like host for the camera. I would love to carry it around in my camera bag to review shots.
I would be hooking up with a Nikon 3100d, so if someone has the two and hasnt stuck them together, try it! My tablet purchase depends on you...

You could always plug in a USB memory card reader into the USB port to review shots from the camera's memory card.
I've copied some ~10Mb JPGs from a Canon 5DMk2 onto the tablet and they open up fine in the default image viewer program. I doubt there is any form of RAW support though so it may mean shooting in JPG+RAW from now on if you want to open them on the tablet.

dhruvmp said:
Anyone try attaching a camera via the full sized USB, I would hope the iconia would act like host for the camera. I would love to carry it around in my camera bag to review shots.
I would be hooking up with a Nikon 3100d, so if someone has the two and hasnt stuck them together, try it! My tablet purchase depends on you...
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If I can remember, tomorrow I will hook my 5dII up and see how it works.
I connected up my 5DII and it didn't even register that it was done on either device. My old (broken) Archos A43 worked, but they coded much more robust USB host features. Hopefully ACER can catch up.

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Anyone try attaching a camera via the full sized USB, I would hope the iconia would act like host for the camera. I would love to carry it around in my camera bag to review shots.
I would be hooking up with a Nikon 3100d, so if someone has the two and hasnt stuck them together, try it! My tablet purchase depends on you...
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I have tried to connect a Canon 450d. It didnt work.
Maybe I missed somthing.

Connected to a Nex-5 and had no issues with Photos.
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i am very interested in this feature also.
by default the camera, any camera, when plugged in should immediately be seen by the Acer as a USB storage device and you should be able to pull off the images.
i have a 5D Mark II and 50D and would really lover to be able to pull off images, not as a whole set but individual files.
unlike the ipad where you have to copy the entire memory card to the ipad which is a complete cluster frack if you ask me.
i almost bought the Acer last night but lack of knowledge about camera connections stopped me.

I tried with my D70s. Works PERFECTLY.
except the photos were in .NEF not .JPEG.
As you are also a nikon user, do sth like RAW+BASIC or RAW+FINE to mitigate this

I plugged in a Nikon d3000 on loan to me. It worked perfectly. I was able to browse to the cameras memory, or pull it up in the gallery.
Would be awesome if I could use it as a capture device.
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Not strictly a dslr, but my olympus e-pl2 has no problems being recognised.

Works, hooked up my d3100. You pick the pics you don't want imported.
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This was taken from the Cape Cod Canal.

My old Sony a100 DSLR works fine. Well, jpgs that is.
Of course I only shoot RAW so kind of useless unless I shoot RAW+JPG.

usb compact flash card reader
My Minolta uses compact flash. I have a USB card reader for CF. My Acer a500 will not read the card.

I have a Canon EOS 1000D camera. When connected to my tab I simply don't know how to see the picatues taken. When inserting a sticky I can see the contents in the folder usb_devices but with the camera, how does this work?

I'm running the galaxy rom and I hooked up my girlfriends old camera and the average recognized it and opened gallery to view them.
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I connected my Cannon 60d through usb and galler gallery automatically fired-up and displayed the contents of my camera. I must say this is really a very neat feature.

I might be stating the obvious, but since I didn't see it mentioned in any of the posts so far- Make sure the USB connection settings in the camera is set to "Mass Storage" so that the Tablet will see the camera as basically an external HD.
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...unlike the ipad where you have to copy the entire memory card to the ipad which is a complete cluster frack if you ask me....
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Just a quick comment regarding the part of v_lestat's post above, I own both the Iconia and iPAd2 and love both for mostly different reasons.
I don't know what or how you tried to transfer images from your camera/SD card to the iPad. I assume, that if you did try, you used Apple's 'Camera Connection Kit' to connect the camera to iPad. This loads an Import window when your camera or SD card is plugged in and from here, just tap each picture you want to transfer after they load in the import window and click the 'Import' button, which is next to the 'Import All' button (you can click the Import All button without tap-selecting any images first and the iPad will import every pic on the card that hasn't been imported yet).
Any image on the card that has already been transfered to the iPad using this method will have a green checkmark on it, in the corner, and will not be reimported. Images that were sync'd into a folder on the iPad, but are still on the card/camera can be imported again.
I hope this clears up your confusion and for anyone else that was wondering about importing pix to the iPad as well, and that it wasn't too OT for an Android tablet forum, lol...
Cheers!

Best I recall off the top of my head, the camera needs to support either USB Mass Storage (acting as a USB drive, Mass Storage Class) or MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) connectivity.

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I hook mine up to my tablet anytime I want to dump pics. I'm using the Picasso ROM and all I have to do is mount my camera as an external USB hard drive and it's good to go. Gallery lets me pick and choose what photos I want.

Is it possible to use the Iconia to copy images from a MicroSDHC card to an external USB Hard Drive? I'm thinking of using this to tablet to take to trips without having to lug around a full laptop and just copying files from my camera to a small hard drive. Does anyone do this already? Will the Acer Iconia allow this or should I look towards another solution?

gammaRascal said:
My old Sony a100 DSLR works fine. Well, jpgs that is.
Of course I only shoot RAW so kind of useless unless I shoot RAW+JPG.
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use RawDroid to view RAW images. It's still in development, but for simply looking at your RAW files, works like a charm.
Also works for Nikons if I recall.

Can't move apps to sd card

Card is mounted and everything, but still everything wants to be moved to 'media area'. How can I change this?
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Card is mounted and everything, but still everything wants to be moved to 'media area'. How can I change this?
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Thats correct move it to "media area".

WiredPirate said:
Thats correct move it to "media area".
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but isnt that just the internal device memory? I want to put apps i can on my external SD card.

iOSlulz said:
but isnt that just the internal device memory? I want to put apps i can on my external SD card.
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Are you sure they are suppose to go to the ext?
On my apps2sd pro it prompts me to move to "media area".
My TiBU screen here show internal, sd, ext sd..? Can someone explain this for us?
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how big is your sd card...8GB?

Yes 8GB.
Edit* the external (for purposes of this thread) is 8gb

kk. I have been messing around with this and no dice...its starting to annoy me.
i want everything i can moved onto the ext card to cut down on fragmentation and so i can use a SD speed booster.

iOSlulz said:
kk. I have been messing around with this and no dice...its starting to annoy me.
i want everything i can moved onto the ext card to cut down on fragmentation and so i can use a SD speed booster.
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Afaik the sd speed booter increases the cache size, thats what mine does. Increasing cache size will load thumbnails of pics and vids faster, but not necessarily boost the performance of a game or something..
As far as fragmentation, ive never thought of that, im sure there is a defrag app. Ill look tomorrow im sleepy.

Media area is SD card... right?
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Media area is SD card... right?
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Yes but we are confused if "media area" is stored on "internal sd" or "external sd". I believe the apps in media area are on internal sd. The op is asking can they be stored on the external sd.?

Media area is the internal phone storage not ext sd card.
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Is this common for other android phones? I mean, doesn't the move to media area option on other phones actually move it to external? It seems to be pointless for move to media area just to move it to internal storage.

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Is this common for other android phones? I mean, doesn't the move to media area option on other phones actually move it to external? It seems to be pointless for move to media area just to move it to internal storage.
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Never had this issue on the N1....and yes very pointless I think.
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Originally Posted by edgeicator
Your phone has an "internal sd card" due to the way the OS is configured. sdcard-ext, as you already know, is your external SD card. Your "internal card" is divided as follows: 2GB for Android OS and webtop software, 2GB dedicated for app installation, and 11GB for media storage. This 11GB partition is called /sdcard/ in addition to media storage.
Android phones without the atrix configuration, like the N1, will see the microSD as "sdcard" and app2sd will move apps to the microSD card. I'm running GladAtrix and Ririal enabled the "preferred install location" option under application settings and i set it to removable sd card. I haven't seen it anywhere else but i did pose the question about enabling it in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103967

SD card? Im a Dunce

Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks

tevil said:
Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
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The SD card is a non removable flash storage device. It's the storage you see when you mount USB storage.
Apps will cache data to the SD card, this is where any downloads go, any picture s or movies you take, etc. It is 16 GB of general storage (separate from the 1GB of internal storage).

Think of it as 'built-in'. For all practical purposes, there is a sdcard, which behaves just as it would on any other android, but you can't remove it. I'm not sure if it is physically part of the internal memory or not. I suspect there is one 16GB chip that is partitioned for internal and /sdcard.
tevil said:
Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks
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i am a bit stumped then. when it gave me the sd capacity it was NO WHERE near 16g's. it was like 800mbs or something. this is why my slacker kept crashing out and giving me a memory error.
is there a way in the OS to see the SD capacity? I had an app that told me but got rid of it cause i think it was also part of the crashing issues i had.
so is what your saying the SD is what you see when you USB your phone to the computer? its that root DIR. In clockwork i can see a USB and SD dir separately i believe but ill have to check again
thanks
on a side note does anyone else have slacker issues. this is how the entire subject came up to me anyway

tevil said:
i am a bit stumped then. when it gave me the sd capacity it was NO WHERE near 16g's. it was like 800mbs or something. this is why my slacker kept crashing out and giving me a memory error.
is there a way in the OS to see the SD capacity? I had an app that told me but got rid of it cause i think it was also part of the crashing issues i had.
so is what your saying the SD is what you see when you USB your phone to the computer? its that root DIR. In clockwork i can see a USB and SD dir separately i believe but ill have to check again
thanks
on a side note does anyone else have slacker issues. this is how the entire subject came up to me anyway
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Slacker works fine for me, always has (outside of it's poor ability to precache the next song).
For Storage go to Settings -> Storage. USB storage is the SD card.

What space you see when you plug in the NS to your computer's USB is the SD card.
It is not the root folder of the whole phone.
Under the "Settings -> Storage" window on your phone, the "USB Storage" is we are calling the SD card.
The Internal Storage is what the phone needs itself.
Here is mine:
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Because of all the music on my NS & the fact almost all my apps are there too, I am sucking up approx 3 gigs of SD or USb storage space.
The NS is sucking up approx 800megs of space, of the 1 gig available to it.
As for your Slacker issues, Although I am not familiar with this application, have you tried just reinstalling it.
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cool thanks guys.
just couldnt figure whyd they name something twice.
As for slacker i beleive it was a mix of
juice defender (which i may try again solo to see if its really that good)
ad blocker (which was jsut something i tried but never really needed, good riddance)
and like these two cleaners which i dont remember the names of.
Now i have NG cache cleaner which is nice and my slcaker seems to be normal again
wasnt sure if the adblocker was seeing the commercials in slacker as ads and trying to block them out causing problems so i got rid of that first.
as the other guy said the pre chaching was HORRIBLE at times making me think the app locked. but after those removals it worked fine with occassional lag betweensongs

[SEMI-SOLVED]Use USB OTG as default sd[SEMI-SOLVED]

I'd been trying to find a way To use the USB OTG as the default sdcard. But everything I see simply allows for it to be used as storage. This method will allow you to install apps to it, using the thumb drive as default storage. Essentially I believe it does what android x86 does when it allows you to set the HDD as an sdcard, just uses apps to accomplish it. I didn't make any of these apps and the idea isn't really mine either, heard it from someone else.
1 - Format your USB Drive to ntfs
2 - download and install ParagonNTFS
3 - download and install NtfsSd
4 - Plug in your USB drive, open paragonNTFS, and go to settings-->check and fix, then mount the drive
*the check and fix will tell you the path to the USB drive /Dev/block/xxxxxx (probably /dev/block/sda1)*
5 - open NtfsSd and go to menu-->preferences
6 - change Mount device to /Dev/block/xxxxxx (gotten in step 4, and again, probably /dev/block/sda1)
7 - make sure external storage is set to /storage/sdcard0
8 - click mount in NtfsSd
Enjoy the storage
ISSUES I'VE COME ACROSS
---You cannot currently see BOTH the built in storage and USB storage at the same time, its either one or the other. I personally resolved that by copying the contents of my internal storage to my USB drive prior to mounting it in NtfsSd
---In order to get back to your internal storage you have to unmount in NtfsSd FIRST, then unmount in ParagonNTFS
IF YOU CANNOT SEE YOUR INTERNAL STORAGE AFTER UNMOUNTING THE USB DRIVE SIMPLY REBOOT YOUR NEXUS BY HOLDING THE POWER BUTTON FOR 30 SECONDS

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This seems awesome but you would always have to keep in the usb drive right?
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This seems awesome but you would always have to keep in the usb drive right?
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Only as long as you want to use the extra storage. The biggest issue I have is that when I want to charge I can't use the USB storage at the same time lol. So I in plug it, charge it, then mount the storage again

Sounds really cool, but how are your I/O speeds? I know it will probably vary greatly from person to person due to the differences between USB cables and drives, but just wondering what your personal experience has been.

According to antutu benchmark I'm getting 8.5 MB/s write and 13.5 MB/s read. Normally I get about 20 MB/s read/write off the USB storage. Like you said, I'm sure different cables and different drives(especially different drives) would change that

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According to antutu benchmark I'm getting 8.5 MB/s write and 13.5 MB/s read. Normally I get about 20 MB/s read/write off the USB storage. Like you said, I'm sure different cables and different drives(especially different drives) would change that
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Not bad, thats higher than I expected. Thanks for this, its pretty cool! May do it one day when I run out of space on this trusty 8gb

rohan32 said:
Not bad, thats higher than I expected. Thanks for this, its pretty cool! May do it one day when I run out of space on this trusty 8gb
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I meant I normally get about 20 MB/s on the built-in storage so the USB storage averages about half of that...which isn't terrible. and unless i'm doing anything super intensive i don't see why i'd need much faster speeds. that's still 68mbps write and 108mbps read. Still can play HD video, I haven't tried any games or anything yet though. I plan to download a large game(probably Batman) and see how that runs off of the USB.

this would be awesome for games that take up Huge amounts of storage .. most are now getting 1.3 gb and more...

erica_renee said:
this would be awesome for games that take up Huge amounts of storage .. most are now getting 1.3 gb and more...
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Games especially since the movies and music you could already store on your usb drive and use the standard OTG method. Like you said though, games are easily 1gb+ and on an 8gb device(which I have) space quickly becomes a hot commodity lol

Hello I have just registered to say thank you for the guide, also I have figured out how to switch back to internal storage without rebooting.
You have to just make sure that every app that has been run while USB in is force closed in app info, I was having problems with drive getting corrupted every time but since doing this It has been fine.
Also I noticed on some custom ROMs eg, paranoid android, omega kaos, it automounts anyway without paragon in storage and gets confused you have to unmount in storage settings and manually mount in paragon then NTFS SD, then unmount again in storage settings, winning
Thanks I was trying to use external to internal SD app on play store to do whole card swap but after a reboot all apps that were installed would be disappeared as that app didnt seem to work for me like it has for three other devices, maybe in conjunction with this guide it may work but I'm happy now and been upgrading redownloading apps for a week I won't be messing with it till I have to.
Thanks again,
P.s anyway to edit ROM so it doesn't system mount as I could not get NTFS SD to work without paragon, says 3g-mount busy or unavailable
Edit, I had problems with permissions using this method, been using script method but just mounted whole sdcard/android been running sweet since, just have to click script when needed. Copied over android folder from sdcard to USB etc first if not fresh system.
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Replying to kinda mark the thread and say thanks.
I will be doing this to a Android TV(Android on a stick) iMito MX1 that I ordered. it only has 8Gb for internal storage so it's limited. I have several hard drives lying around and am going to hook a 500Gb one up to the unit and see if this will kick over from internal to the hard drive. If it works then I will have tons of space to download all the big games to play on my TV with a controller of mouse KB combo
I hope this works.

This seems like a great way for us tightwads who got the 8gb version to get some space, lol. Should work well with games as long as the i/o speeds don't cause lag.

hi, what kernel should i use to make ntfssd work?

somebody needs to go develop a rubberized protective case/sleeve (like what google sells) with an included 64GB sd card and a built in OTG USB plug that slips right into the miniUSB on the N7... wouldn't that be cool, especially if it mounted and unmounted automatically upon plug in, and allowed for the installation of large APPs extra data packages!

does this work on 4.2.1 ?

Nope doesnt work un 4.2.1 se need and update
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mount option
Hey what I choose when mount in paragon NTFS
Either automatic mounting
Or
Advanced choose option to mount

Hi,
anybody still using this approach? I was trying to follow the instruction but I did not succeed. I was not able to mount my ntfs-formated usbstick on Android 5.

@Ip894 Please upload a video regarding the steps .. thanks