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Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
UPDATE:
Sources are confirming the adoption of the linux platform or symbian platform. Its most probably not going to take massive shape this year, but by next year we will see a significant change.
^^ Sources
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
ItalianTytan said:
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
I think HTC is afraid of MS doing again what they have done with the media players business: they used other hardware vendors to create market perception and later they went for their own product (Zune) with a different DRM and left the "PlaysForSure" clan with cold feet.
Now that Apple has its own branded phone Microsoft will have to have a MS branded phone soon and that could mean bye bye to HTC and the other vendors, so better jump ship before it's too late.
This announcement could also be only a warning to MS; at the moment HTC is practically the only company in the world that could throw a blow at Microsoft: without HTC the MS market share in smartphones would fall to a level of insignificance and they would have to rebuild their mobile phone market share from scratch.
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
AkshayGenius said:
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
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There's a Linux kernel out there somewhere - iPaQ 3900 was the last device I saw it working on eons ago...
AkshayGenius,
check Hermes forum, haret supports Trinity and semi-bootable kernel exists.
Doesn't boot completely on Hermes or Trinity so far.
hope some good UI os will come out soon!
i really dont wanna buy iphone..... unless HTC can come out better UI os...
anonimo said:
"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
El_Mariachi said:
Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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With "generally" I mean what you read in market researches. When you read about the Symbian market share that includes both S60 (no touchscreen) and UIQ (touchscreen) phones. Same goes for Windows Mobile.
The term "smartphone" was not invented by microsoft (did they ever invent anything? ) and it means "phone where you can install and use third party software beyond java applets" as opposed to "feature phone" where you can only use what is preinstalled in the phone (and only add Java applets).
So can anybody make an OS which I for ex can put on my p3600 for ex.
AkshayGenius said:
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
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HTC has the best position in the market because of the Windows line. When they abandone the Windows platform, they give their market share to HP for example.
HTC also knows that Microsoft integrates everything from Office, Exchange, VOIP, Sharepoint to Live, etc.
Saying one thing and do some expirements with Linux, puts the pressure on Microsoft for nice deals (cheaper OS) for more HTC profit.
I haven't looked for other sources, but, a reading of the article hardly supports the assertion that HTC is "officially abandoning" WM. I mean, the ONLY quote just says they're "looking at" other OS's.
Talk about exaggeration.
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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Indeed so! BSD is now a reality on the iPhone - the mind boggles at how the market could look in 12 months. Mind you, I still prefer my Trinity to the iPhone but am particularly peeved that HTC haven't seen fit to officlally release WM6 for it.
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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If HTC would evolve a bit and embrace the 3rd party app model present on the iPhone, enhance it a bit and add support for fetching data from hardware components like gps modules, not like java, but something like Adobe® AIR™ for mobile devices with offline capabilities, that would be great foe everybody, most of the apps we use are for improving/replacing the poorly designed windows mobile apps&interface, other can be fully replaced by web apps, codewallet for example, imagine it with offline and online modes, sync between both, and you have your passwords accessible on any device or desktop, multimedia editing is also possible using flash and server-side code, like picnik.com, so, it would be necessary to create new apps, but this new model would be far better than the current one, it would also eliminate the need for manual app updating, it would... heh, make cracking impossible, so, good for the devs for that and also for the easier&cheaper development(VS not needed, html+css+flash+javascript+rails[heh ]), it would also give HTC the freedom to create a sleek GUI(compiz and stuff?) since its easier to replace the linux gui than wmobile, no licensing fees from ms i think.
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Ha Ha Haaaa... I like that
Lets all bombard the ubuntu guyz with emails demanding a mobile version of ubuntu for ppc and all then finally we'll get what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA!
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Funny you should say that. Have a look at this: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/07/iphoney. In the article it mentions just this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded.
So Ubuntu mobile coming in October. As soon as a good GPS navigation software release for Ubuntu comes out - I'm trying it.
From el reg.
Google has unveiled its phone platform, Android. It's yet another Linux OS, freely licensed, that will appear in devices in the second half of next year. Google has signed up over 30 partners including Qualcomm, Motorola, HTC and operators including Deutsche Telekom for the "Open Handset Alliance".
CEO Eric Schmidt described it as "the first truly open platform for mobile devices." Android, named after the start-up company Google acquired in 2005, encompasses middleware and applications as well as the base kernel. An SDK is promised for download next Monday under an Apache license. However, the ad-supported model will take awhile to shake out.
"Contrary to a lot of speculation out there, we won't see a completely ad driven cellphone based on Android for quite some time," said Andy Rubin.
If this all sounds a bit familiar, it's because it is.
Two such alliances appeared in 2005, and two more this year. The LIMO Alliance, backed by NTT DoCoMo, Motorola and Samsung was unveiled in January. ARM announced yet another industry Linux OS coalition just a month ago.
Despite clocking up a healthy air miles account for all involved, real momentum has stalled for Linux on mobile phones: you'll look for a 3G Linux phone in vain, today. Motorola made a strategic bet on open source in 2003 but discovered that integration complexity and costs outweighed the advantages: the company recently returned to Symbian for its smartphones. Nevertheless a wide alliance of industry backers have come to Google's launch.
Currently Symbian dominates the smartphone business. It's painfully built-up almost a decade's worth of integration expertise, in giving manufacturers what they want, including a successful Japanese business where carriers dominate. Symbian's chief technical advantage today is the platform's maturity, and more recently, its real-time kernel. This permits manufacturers to build lower-cost single-chip phones, while running their older proprietary baseband stacks as an OS personality.
With Nokia, whose volume drives lower component costs, pushing Symbian into its midrange feature phones, Android faces a stiff challenge competing in this market.
And as we pointed out earlier this today, it isn't clear that failure of rich mobile data services isn't due to anything on the supply side - people just don't find them very useful.
There's a significant gap, however, for "two box" solutions that only Blackberry and Apple fill today, as phone companions. Rubin said the system requirements supported QWERTY and large screen sizes, and Schmidt hinted at bringing the PC experience to mobile devices.
Android may yet find a niche in which to flourish.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/05/google_android_announcement/
Wounder if it will be compatible with our devices... lets hope!
dferreira said:
Wounder if it will be compatible with our devices... lets hope!
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Everithing is possible... even in our dreams
Appears that Google has released the new Android SDK
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now-available/
Considering HTC is on the list of direct supporters of Android, do you think the developers of xda will be able to make a build that runs on the current WM6 platforms? Such as the TyTn(8525)?
Lotsoguns said:
Appears that Google has released the new Android SDK
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now-available/
Considering HTC is on the list of direct supporters of Android, do you think the developers of xda will be able to make a build that runs on the current WM6 platforms? Such as the TyTn(8525)?
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in a word -- yes!
http://code.google.com/android/kb/general.html#runonphone
says "no".
greets, Nik
when can we get the Android platform
on wm6
I have a At&t Tilt
any news or Link
thank you
Flightbase said:
http://code.google.com/android/kb/general.html#runonphone
says "no".
greets, Nik
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That italic word insert is made to replace with a phone that could not be used with android. It`s not yet known. So for now it is Yes!
In a recent interview with the CEO of HTC on engadget, this question was asked, first time it was dodge, the 2nd time he bluntly stated that they would not be adding android support to existing Win mobile devices.
Now that's not to say it's not going to happen, but it looks like HTC aren't going to make it easy for us
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383988
Says "It's possibly portable to other HTC-Devices"!
greetz
Guyz i dont know if this has been discussed before..but today i went to ubuntu's website and i saw that Ubuntu Mobile is released..
check more about it here :
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
ather90 said:
Guyz i dont know if this has been discussed before..but today i went to ubuntu's website and i saw that Ubuntu Mobile is released..
check more about it here :
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
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Cool HTC Shift is supported!!
wow that looks amazing!!
Do you know if the Artemis is supported?
the following Platforms are supported
Platforms
Our current platform targets are Intel's MID (Mobile Internet Device) platforms, code-named McCaslin and Menlow. Examples include:
Vendor
Model
Platform
Samsung
Q1 Ultra
McCaslin
Fujitsu
U1010
McCaslin
Kohjinsha
SH6
McCaslin
HTC
Shift
McCaslin
Amtek
U560
McCaslin
Elektrobit
MIMD
Menlow
I didn't see a download link for the Mobile edition.
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I didn't see a download link for the Mobile edition.
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certainly because there's no link provided for the moment.
I think the roadmap is not yet over..ant then that the OS is not released even as beta...
Schedule
We are targeting our first release slightly after Ubuntu 8.04, following similar release milestones.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
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Want to watch M$ show WM7 to the world?
All details about Microsoft Windows Mobile announcement at Mobile World Congress 2010 - revealed, including live broadcast
February 10, 2010.
Secrets? Who needs them? Here are all the details:
Information from our anonymous friend follows (note: we know this person, we just will not reveal who this person is, as it is our principle not to reveal sources). Note: this is not a rumor, this is pure information.
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Steve Ballmer's press conference during Mobile World Congress will be broadcast live on satellite TV (Eutelsat)
Timing: 1630-1645 UTC
EUTELSAT W3A 7 deg East TXP B1 CHANNEL 9MHZ SLOT 1L9 (D1)
UPLINK FREQ.: 14314 MHZ POL Y BY E-120
DOWNLINK FR.: 11014 MHZ POL X
SD 625 16:9 50Hz DVBS QPSK 6.6665Ms/s FEC 7/8,
RoF 0.35 (11_SD MPEG2 422 10.7514 Mbps)
OP MODE: HIGH QUALITY
AUDIO:1 SOUND MONO
AUDIO:2 SOUND MONO
And streamed on the internet (on www.microsoft.com/news/windowsphone).
And eh. yes Windows Mobile 7 will be introduced with Zune, Xbox, Bing integration. Games, free navigation, music, new kernel, new UI. Development in Visual Studio (code) + WPF (UI). OS 6.X will continue to exist and will be free OS for developing markets. Microsoft will kick back hard against iPhone and Android. Three year too late, but still people will be surprised.
As im on my way there ill update on here if i here anythink
Flunkyou2
I just read on a web site (ppcgeeks) that wm7 could have these features This is a rumor
-At the Mobile World Congress event on February 15th, 2010, Windows Phone 7 will be unveilved, although at this time plans are only to unveil the user interface of the new platform . Specific indepth functionality of the device will most likely not be shown.
-The User Interface is based upon codename “METRO”. It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen. The UI is “Very Clean”, “Soulful” and “Alive”
-Unfortunately there will be no Flash support at the get go as there was not enough time to implement these features.
-Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.
- No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.
-Marketplace will now support “try before you buy” as well as an API
-No NETCF backwards compatibility. This means the original rumor of no backward compatibility for applications holds to be true. That being said, there are high hopes of porting the NetCF to the newer platform easily.
-Microsoft is confident that devices will be ready by September 2010
-Full Zune Integration
-Windows Mobile Device Center will no longer be used. Zune software to take over syncing via PC.
-OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc
-Full XBOX Gaming Integration (Gamer tag, achievements, friends, avatars, merchandising, etc)
-Full support for social networking
All i can say is "if this is true then bye bye WM7 hello andriod"
More rumors
Microsoft will drop much of the business side of WM in favor of the consumer side. The traditional business offerings like Office / Exchange functionality will of course still be supported, but the focus will be shifted to gaming and multimedia. The Xbox and Zune brands will be represented, the Zune player willl be included and it will be possible to wirelessly exchange data, multimedia, and games with the Xbox 360.
The first batch of phones that will be released will have pretty much the same chip specs, and HTC, Samsung, LG and SE will be the ones to deliver this first batch of phones. In this first batch (September 2010), the OEMs are apparently not allowed to make big changes, they all have to use the same interface.
This means, no custom UI like Sense, no Opera Mobile either. Instead the default WM UI will be used and a new PocketIE based on IE7, but with some functionality from IE8.
The second batch (end of 2010) will be allowed to have small changes, but likely only theme-based and addition of some custom application.
Only at the third batch (early 2011) will the OEMs be allowed to add their own interfaces, like Sense, Panels, TouchWiz and S-Class. (ouch that late)
The official announcements of the WM7 phones are not expected to occur more than a few weeks before actual release of the OS, [CF: so we probably won't see official (unleaked) specs and such before the end of July (based on the September release date)].
As hardware goes they say mostly the same as the chassis 1 specs. 1 Ghz+ CPU, Open GL ES 2.0, 800×480+, 3.5"+, 384mb+ (possibly 512+).
According to those we have seen the WM7 interface, it is nothing revolutionary. It should have standard multi-touch support and supports only capacitive. The interface is said to be a hybrid of iPhone / Android / Zune HD elements.
Apparently those that have used WM7 builds differ in opinion about the software. Some state it is much faster than for example the 3GS, while others mention apps are slow to start and experiencing ‘hickups’.
Apps-wise, old applications will in principle not be compatible with Windows Mobile 7, throwing away many thousands of apps that are currently available. It may be compatibility for old apps will be emulated, but this is not clear yet. How exactly this will work will likely be explained at MIX 2010 in March.
It certainly seems like only .NET apps will be supported [CF: ugh!], however it is not clear if the Compact Framework will be a part of that .NET support.
more rumors/info here.
.....indeed
flunkyou2 said:
"if this is true then bye bye wm7 hello andriod"
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Unfortunately if this is true. The only positive will be the zune lookalike and probably no more hangovers.
The rest looks just like Iphone. Not third parties applications without marketplace. I think WM6.6 will be more popular. And porbably Android. Steve Balmer did it again.
if it does turn out to be true, (paused in backgroud, service based app install etc) then i for one will be sticking to 6.5.x. Seems like too much of a copy of how apple works, and thats the very reason why i hate apple!
Sounds to me like WinMo 7 defeats the purpose of using WinMo all together. I too will stick with 6.5.x if this is the way things are going.
And all the profits from WM7 will go to Apple too
I am surprised that WM community falls so easily for the rumors spread by I WONDER WHO.
alexsql said:
I am surprised that WM community falls so easily for the rumors spread by I WONDER WHO.
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Serious, how does unsubstantiated speculation help anybody?
i really hope this is just nonsense speculation, because if its not, i will stick with WM6.5 on my HD2 for a long time. And when i need to buy a new phone it will be a Android one.
Lets hope the smart people here on xda will find ways around these things.
No way that this is real. It doesn't make any sense, it will be the last nail in WM coffin...
Maybe these (rumors) features are for the "Media WM7" version and the "Business WM7" version will be like WM6.5.x...
I can't really see them doing such a U turn on Windows.....but then again Microsoft copy the competition to crush them......that does sound familiar
Grow a brain, guys. This is WinMo's bread and butter for the upcoming generation and could very well be the nail in the coffin if MS fails. First of all, no multitasking? No flash? LOL. They've overcome that already with 6.1. People here will buy anything with RUMOR and SPECULATION slap onto it.
yes for now its just a rumor so lets hope ms doesnt become like apple otherwise hello android
lol..they did this for windows 7 also..
d3l1 said:
yes for now its just a rumor so lets hope ms doesnt become like apple otherwise hello android
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i'll be in the q right behind you ..
the rumour machine strikes again. WM7 could be anything. we just don't know anything about it yet.
gabbs said:
lol..they did this for windows 7 also..
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sorry for ot: no idea what you are talking about, win7 is nothing like osx
Yeah for french media to spread this rumor
This simply can't be true. Not even MS are that dumb.