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Stupidest Article I have ever seen!

I just read this article about Gingerbread and the 1Ghz 512mb requirements. This article says that because the nexus one is clocked at 998mhz and since the rumored HTC vision the first dual core phone with 2 cores at 800mhz, (with a max stated by Qualcomm of 1.2ghz per core) won't qualify for Gingerbread.
How stupid can they possibly be? I really hate it when stupid people write tech articles.
http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/06/30...uire-1ghz-processors-coming-mid-october-2010/

Yeah, N1 will surely get 3.0. 998MHz is less than 3% off from 1024MHz so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, I'm failing to see how 2 cores is a good idea on a smartphone, unless it has some amazing battery, or I'm wrong about CPU power consumption. Dual cores have been popular on desktops for years now, and few apps actually use more than one core at a time. Android is designed to use as little CPU for background tasks as possible so I can only imagine multi-cores would only help with Flash and maybe video recording. 2 cores at 800Mhz seems like it would be slower than 1 core at 1Ghz for most tasks, and less efficient. I'll probably be proven wrong, but we'll see.

First, the RUMOR is just that. A rumor. It's probably fake.
Second, 1ghz, if anything, is probably a suggestion to mfgrs that Google doesn't recommend you run it on anything less than something that's 1ghz.
It's a rumor that's probably false and someone wrote an article assuming that stars had to mathematically align for things to happen.
That's what I call a TROLL ARTICLE. Just trying to drudge up some hits. Most iphone articles are the same thing. People eat them up, but they contain no real news or useful information.

Gr8gorilla said:
How stupid can they possibly be? I really hate it when stupid people write tech articles.
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Yeah me too! but it makes my day easier by giving oe something to hate
Its a good thing a GOOGLE EMPLOYEE just yesterday said the Gingerbread requirement rumors were complete b.s. and made up for the sake of writing an article.
gizmodo.com/5578055/android-gingerbread-rumors-dismissed-by-google-on-twitter

Well the specs on the leaked vision have it using the new dual core qualcomm processors. Qualcomm specs on the processor have it using less power with the 45n process in manufacturing. I am just guessing here but the processor has the ability to be clocked to 1.2ghz but I guess it is clocked down to 800 per core for the battery life.
But anyway it is all speculation until some pics or some test devices get out.
I mean if they were planning on releasing a dual core phone running Gingerbread in less than 4 months, why would the carriers or manufacturer's want you to know? Then you would wait to buy a phone. The way it works now is, you get the best thing going, say an evo or the new samsung phone. Then 3 months from now, a phone drops that blows everything else out of the water, you have got to have the latest and greatest so you drop another 500-600 on that just a few months later. They make a lot more money that way.

Don't you guys follow Romain Guy on twitter? http://twitter.com/romainguy
I love it when people just make stuff up and report it as news. http://goo.gl/cwbf
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He already said yesterday that the rumors are fake. Why do you still think this is true?
There's no minimum specs for Gingerbread and i'm 100% sure that N1 will get it.
Even if it doesn't, wouldn't you be tempted to get a dual code device in late fall?
I'll most probably get a device like that with 3.0 on it.

DDM123 said:
Yeah, N1 will surely get 3.0. 998MHz is less than 3% off from 1024MHz so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, I'm failing to see how 2 cores is a good idea on a smartphone, unless it has some amazing battery, or I'm wrong about CPU power consumption. Dual cores have been popular on desktops for years now, and few apps actually use more than one core at a time. Android is designed to use as little CPU for background tasks as possible so I can only imagine multi-cores would only help with Flash and maybe video recording. 2 cores at 800Mhz seems like it would be slower than 1 core at 1Ghz for most tasks, and less efficient. I'll probably be proven wrong, but we'll see.
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While I agree that dual core on a phone is probably overkill, there are quite a few reasons..
Dual core can be more power efficient, sharing hardware while having overall higher capacity.
Faster processors = Hotter, more power requirements, etc
Multiple cores isn't just for single-app speed, it's for multiple apps running simultaneously without affecting each other. Of course if you need an app to do heavy processing it should multithread and use multiple cores, but I doubt you'll be rendering in Blender on your phone.... But with dual core, you can have two apps using 100% of a CPU without noticing any slowdown. Or... 1 app using 100% CPU and the other CPU free to do other stuff, letting the system stay responsive.

AOSP doesn't have hardware requirements.
Market has hardware requirements.

Even if fake or not, this thread is stupid cause the thread starter thinks the nexus is not a 1 ghz phone cause its only 998. Umm have you never seen Google's official spec page, they quote it at 1 ghz. Geez.

RogerPodacter said:
Even if fake or not, this thread is stupid cause the thread starter thinks the nexus is not a 1 ghz phone cause its only 998. Umm have you never seen Google's official spec page, they quote it at 1 ghz. Geez.
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Troll, where in his post does he say that?

These rumors were already denounced.
http://phandroid.com/2010/07/02/dan-morrill-calls-foul-on-whoever-started-that-gingerbread-rumor/
How people could believe them from the beginning is just bonkers to me.

DDM123 said:
Yeah, N1 will surely get 3.0. 998MHz is less than 3% off from 1024MHz so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, I'm failing to see how 2 cores is a good idea on a smartphone, unless it has some amazing battery, or I'm wrong about CPU power consumption. Dual cores have been popular on desktops for years now, and few apps actually use more than one core at a time. Android is designed to use as little CPU for background tasks as possible so I can only imagine multi-cores would only help with Flash and maybe video recording. 2 cores at 800Mhz seems like it would be slower than 1 core at 1Ghz for most tasks, and less efficient. I'll probably be proven wrong, but we'll see.
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1 GHZ is 1000 Mhz not 1024, this is not Byte or flash memory... so 998Mhz is basically 1GHZ like you said, just even closer
And the whole thing is a scam as the previous poster said...

McFroger3 said:
Troll, where in his post does he say that?
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oops i read it as HE was saying that, but he meant the article said that (which i didnt read as you can tell). my bad people
and BTW, stop calling everyone a troll at the drop of a hat. so i mis-read something. doesnt mean troll. troll this, troll that. my post history speaks pretty clearly that i've not once posted such things.

lorin.bute said:
Don't you guys follow Romain Guy on twitter? http://twitter.com/romainguy
He already said yesterday that the rumors are fake. Why do you still think this is true?
There's no minimum specs for Gingerbread and i'm 100% sure that N1 will get it.
Even if it doesn't, wouldn't you be tempted to get a dual code device in late fall?
I'll most probably get a device like that with 3.0 on it.
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Yes will get dual core. Point of my post is not the validity of the requirements but the statements about what phones would get the updates if the requirements were true. Anyway, with romain guys post its moot!

HTC HD3

http://epicmobiles.com/HTC_to_Launch_Pivotal_Windows_Mobile_7_HD3_Phone_09972831542.html
Sounds very cool, depending on what windows "mobile" 7 is gonna turn out like.

jazzcat55 said:
http://epicmobiles.com/HTC_to_Launch_Pivotal_Windows_Mobile_7_HD3_Phone_09972831542.html
Sounds very cool, depending on what windows 7 is gonna turn out like.
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Windows 7 is already out and looks very cool! It has been around for a year. I'm guessing you mean windows phone 7. It is important to get these things right
I just actually read the link and i have to say i need to change my shorts but i do have a question - how do they plan to cool a 1.5GHz dual core CPU? because - for the uneducated - that is 1.5GHz per core! effectively making it a 3GHz chip but if they can pull it off and some clever chef can put port WM 6.5 that device is going to rule the market for a very long time

yeh specs look very good but its still windows...it would be interesting to see what happens..... but i wont make the same mistake again

Quacomm delayed this processor to the end of 2011 so this is all fake
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I'm a bit annoyed that i signed up for a 24 month contract this year, not even anticipating the release of the HD7!

I'm a bit annoyed that i signed up for a 24 month contract this year, not even anticipating the release of the HD7
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Surely the "not even anticipating" part of your post negates the "I'm a bit annoyed" bit...

First of all 1.5ghz dual core does not mean its 3ghz. What it means is it can do tasks at the sometime clocked at 1500mhz each. As you say its very important to vet this things right
Now I am little ticked of that it won't be out in USA. My guess was dual core 1.3ghz with 1gb ram and HD recording which is standard with 8mp cam. Also not a big fan of WM7 as it seems some what childish. I mean WTF was M$ thinking? I really hope HTC Sense hide that ugly 4 square sector that alone scares me.

HyperNode said:
First of all 1.5ghz dual core does not mean its 3ghz. What it means is it can do tasks at the sometime clocked at 1500mhz each. As you say its very important to vet this things right
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Sorry that was my mistake i meant to say it was effectively 1.5ghz a core meaning it has an effective total clock speed of 3GHz.
It's amazing what dumb things i can say after a few beers

I just jumped ship

I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
Sent from my Sexy Nexy One using XDA App.

Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?

Root it and provide system dumps

I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....

tuan209 said:
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.

GHOST99K said:
Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
Sent from my Sexy Nexy One using XDA App.
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
Mokurex said:
Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.

dskyers said:
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum

Mactagonist said:
I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
wondercoolguy said:
So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...

SoberGuy said:
I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this

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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.

SoberGuy said:
I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.

Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core

SoberGuy said:
Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance

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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.

Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
Sent from my N1 from XDA app

norazi said:
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.

mac208x said:
soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....

So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.

tuan209 said:
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.

Xperia Arc

Xperia Arc is the latest smartphone by Sony Ericsson that runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread with a custom skin, a 1GHz processor, 4.2” Reality display with Sony Mobile BRAVIA® Engine and an 8MP camera. I will definitely buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

antonymilo said:
Xperia Arc is the latest smartphone by Sony Ericsson that runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread with a custom skin, a 1GHz processor, 4.2” Reality display with Sony Mobile BRAVIA® Engine and an 8MP camera. I will definitely buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is the design and the Mobile BRAVIA Engine isn't it?

rajasyaitan said:
It is the design and the Mobile BRAVIA Engine isn't it?
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Didn't you hear? Just adding "_____ ENGINE" to any phone will guarantee the clueless consumers will buy in masses!!
Unfortunately, it comes with a single-core CPU.

And they took the sensor from the Cybershot. Won't be out until April though.

It was about time for a 1GHz
Anyway I still faithful to HTC

Sony will be a lot left behind with those specs to be able to compete this year with other phone manufactures because other manufactures will offer dual-cored procs.
1GHz Procs? 512MB?...hey...my Desire already has those specs (with older hardwares of course).
The word "BRAVIA-ENGINE" alone will not be able to withstand the dual-core waves.
My next smartphone will have:
Dual-cored proc
independent graphic proc
1GB RAM
at least 1.5GB internal memory
SD Card slot
HDMI output
USB connnection
Most important: latest available Android version
(No tablets for me)
Currently, I am drooling over the Motorola ATRIX...but wanna wait untill all manufactures has been distributing those dual-cores smarties.

rajasyaitan said:
It is the design and the Mobile BRAVIA Engine isn't it?
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lude219 said:
Didn't you hear? Just adding "_____ ENGINE" to any phone will guarantee the clueless consumers will buy in masses!!
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kinda like seeing a huge rear wing and fart can exhaust on a '98 acura integra

How much will be Xperia Arc ?

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You might have to wait a while on that. It will be a LONG time before AMD or NVIDIA release graphics card for mobile phones. Everything else seems fairly reasonable though.
The Xperia Arc does use the newer snapdragon chips so that is a plus in my book.

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Most important: latest available Android version
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This...If there is anything I learned from owning an X10 is that updates are slow and Sony Ericsson locks down the phone tighter than a nun's...Well you know where I'm going with that.

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If the arc had a dual core cpu the combination of the cpu and the screen would make the battary discharge in half an hour.
Always judge a product from the whole and the final output rather than an individual characteristic. So it has been fully optimize the software, then a single core processor can be much better than a dual core on a cell that has to lift a buggy operating system. See the benchmark http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...on-xperia-arc/preview/sshots/gsmarena_025.jpg and you will understand.
So the overall performance is what counts. If the mobile is scrolling comfortable as we care what processor time? Just to say 'look I have dual core cpu on my mobile'?.The psp has a single core 333mz and it can ran better than any smart phone.the OS is the key!
And because we get around, do not say that anything is 1Ghz!Did we say things that we have the best (on paper) and lose the substance. As a tear drops because Arc has 8Mpx camera and not 12. If you tell them that it is better than the previous 8Mp and the 12mp they would not understand.Rather prefer to buy a desktop pc if i look for the 1gb ram the 2 core cpu...And all because we have put in one meaningless match, the first megapixel now with ghz processor and mb of Ram.
FRIENDLY

i forgot to say tha 2.4 ginger http://static.techspot.com/fileshost/newspics3/2010/android_24_leaked.jpg
and 3.0 honeycomp would be official http://blog.dialaphone.co.uk/2011/0...-honeycomb-doesnt-need-a-dual-core-processor/
the other phones i think that the would released with the froyo 2.2 not 2.3 ginger. so if you buy the dual core cpu phones you have to wait 2-3 months for the ginger if u preffer the arc you would update in 2-3 months to 2.4 or 3.0...your choice....

That's sounds all nice and good but you're forgetting an important factor. When was the last time Sony Ericsson put out a smart phone on time?
I think you're going to be waiting a lot longer than you think.

as u say it will take some time..thanks for that!
we must wait!also this is not the final edition of the phone...

antonymilo said:
If the arc had a dual core cpu the combination of the cpu and the screen would make the battary discharge in half an hour.
Always judge a product from the whole and the final output rather than an individual characteristic. So it has been fully optimize the software, then a single core processor can be much better than a dual core on a cell that has to lift a buggy operating system. See the benchmark http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...on-xperia-arc/preview/sshots/gsmarena_025.jpg and you will understand.
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What does that benchmark proves? That a 2nd generation CPU is better than a 1st generation? Have you even seen the benchmark for dual core (think +2200 and up)? Did you know dual cores have just as good of a power management as a single core? Did you know the matrix 4G has a 1930mah battery and can last 10hrs of talk time even on 3G while still having a 10mm waistline?
I'm not gonna lie, the design of the Arc is downright amazing (undoubtedly best one out of CES), but other than that, I'd be stupid of purchasing one when there are much better phones out there.

Like i sayed before if the mobile is scrolling comfortable as we care what processor time? Just to say 'look I have dual core cpu on my mobile'?.The psp has a single core 333mz and it can ran better than any smart phone.The design plus the camera plus the screen plus the gin 2.3 and the confirmiration of the 3.0 honeycomp made me take the decision to buy that.the MES is in february so we must wait to take the final decision. Although the Htc Thunderbolt is a very good choce(hightech phone)!The cpu MSM8960 1.2 dual and adreno 3000 would be awesome!but i don't like design.It's like all the htc devices....

This is SE we're talking about, so it's laughable that you're even talking about OS update. Remember what happen in the past? I'm sure people who have X1, X2 and X10 do...
Yes, you should care about processing time. The less time it takes to carry out an instruction/start/run a progam, the least amount of drainage on the battery (equating to less heat generated by the CPU). Scrolling would probably be 2x smoother on a dual core compare to the 2nd gen single core.
Here's an analogy, what's more tiring to your body? Flying in 1st class from the UK to Italy or driving from UK to Italy? Technology is no different. The less time you spend doing any task, the more time you have doing other stuff and the less exhaustive the phone is.

I think u are right!i have a x1 and i know how annoying is that the other phones have the 6.5 and me the 6.1 win mo.But the xda developers have done their trick so i am not afraid about the updates!!!!!!!

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And they took the sensor from the Cybershot. Won't be out until April though.
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April, hell !
If that's true, that would be bad...
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I have to extend my contract here in Holland between April 19 and June 19. I pre ordered one at my local phone shop. i can sell it for good money right away on the internet for sure and buy myself a decent phone if i don't like it, but damn it looks great, i have to find out for myself what it is like....
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[Q] Overclock Adreno 205 (the GPU)

Hi I was wondering if it was possible of overclocking the GPU in our phone.
Has anyone heard about this being possible or a project that is being worked on for this?

As I understand it, since the MSM8255 is a "system on a chip" design, when the CPU is overclocked, the GPU is as well.

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As I understand it, since the MSM8255 is a "system on a chip" design, when the CPU is overclocked, the GPU is as well.
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would there be anyway to simply oc gpu and not cpu?

Most probably not.
Once I did the analysis for Adreno 200 on MSM8250, you can look it up in Nexus One Android Development forum. I've explained in depth, why it isn't possible, as detailed as I could without disclosing the actual clock diagram. I believe the same applies to MSM8255 - though I didn't check to make sure.

Actually in the Desire HD forums, shaky153 said that you was working on a kernel to over clock the gpu of December 2011. He was able to over clock the gnu at 245 Mhz as stated in the beginning of the thread but it wouldn't stick and revert back to 192 Mhz. As of now he hasn't updated his process and is most likely abandoned and his account is a guest account. If he is able to over clock the gpu then it would be easily ported to the MyTouch 4G both being HTC and having the same processor

Judging, again, by the work I once did, the fact that he "thought" he overclocked the GPU doesn't mean a thing. If he executed a function that says "Set GPU clock as X", doesn't mean that GPU clock will be X. In fact, it might affect nothing at all.
To overclock a part of SoC, one needs to know the SoC clock diagram. SoC isn't PC, where each function is governed by its own controllable PLL, it's different.

I still think its odd that the Adreno 200 and 220 gpu can be overclocked but not the 205.
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RoboWarriorSr said:
I still think its odd that the Adreno 200 and 220 gpu can be overclocked but not the 205.
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220, being more advanced, most likely has more granularity in its clock divider. It figures from the frequency steps it can do.
200 can't be overclocked. Only together with the CPU.
205 is most likely in the same situation as 200. Not necessarily, but most likely.
Again, some things about clocking should be understood before talking about "overclocking". The clocks don't come from the sky, and this is not a PC.

Actually there is a thread on Overclocking the adreno 200 gpu on the htc desire from something like 96mhz to at least 200mhz which gave an enormous improvement. They were trying to get Fifa 12 to work. LINK: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698940f. And just because i ask doesn't mean i don't know. I know how to overclock PC gpu and know the difference between a PC and a Mobile device. And i definitely know that cores aren"t everything. Tegra 3 is never going to beat a Intel Core Duo just because it has more cores. And no poop, clocks don't come from the sky, that's common knowledge. THIS is XDA...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960&page=35 and this is the Desire HD thread where it all started.

Arguing with Jack_R1 is a terrible idea. Just telling you now.

estallings15 said:
Arguing with Jack_R1 is a terrible idea. Just telling you now.
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I actually like watching flame wars. Especially on the internet
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RoboWarriorSr said:
Actually there is a thread on Overclocking the adreno 200 gpu on the htc desire from something like 96mhz to at least 200mhz which gave an enormous improvement. They were trying to get Fifa 12 to work. LINK: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698940f. And just because i ask doesn't mean i don't know. I know how to overclock PC gpu and know the difference between a PC and a Mobile device. And i definitely know that cores aren"t everything. Tegra 3 is never going to beat a Intel Core Duo just because it has more cores. And no poop, clocks don't come from the sky, that's common knowledge. THIS is XDA...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960&page=35 and this is the Desire HD thread where it all started.
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Look at the CPU frequency with overclocked GPU.
Then think, why the hell did they go that low in CPU freq.
Then you're welcome to dig into history and read my thread in N1 forums, dealing with GPU overclocking on QSD8250. If you have some brains, that will tell you why it didn't advance anywhere since 2010. Let me give you a hint: dividers aren't PLLs, and their capabilities are hard-coded and can't be changed to anything but their allowed values. But let me guess: that you write you know something doesn't mean you actually have a tiny bit of clue what you're talking about, and my previous sentence remains a black hole to you.
Now, as I said, I didn't look at the clock diagram of 8255, so I don't know whether the same limit remains here. If I'll have some free time and will be able to lay my hands on it, I'll have a look. But as I wrote in the old N1 thread: the likely answer is the one you're not going to like.
Having said that, since I'm tired of trying to explain how stuff REALLY works, I won't return to it unless I find the clock diagram and it will say something positive.

Thanks for that, Jack. Some people need a reality/ego check.

Jack_R1 said:
Look at the CPU frequency with overclocked GPU.
Then think, why the hell did they go that low in CPU freq.
Then you're welcome to dig into history and read my thread in N1 forums, dealing with GPU overclocking on QSD8250. If you have some brains, that will tell you why it didn't advance anywhere since 2010. Let me give you a hint: dividers aren't PLLs, and their capabilities are hard-coded and can't be changed to anything but their allowed values. But let me guess: that you write you know something doesn't mean you actually have a tiny bit of clue what you're talking about, and my previous sentence remains a black hole to you.
Now, as I said, I didn't look at the clock diagram of 8255, so I don't know whether the same limit remains here. If I'll have some free time and will be able to lay my hands on it, I'll have a look. But as I wrote in the old N1 thread: the likely answer is the one you're not going to like.
Having said that, since I'm tired of trying to explain how stuff REALLY works, I won't return to it unless I find the clock diagram and it will say something positive.
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I didn't really understand what you just said but I know robos ass just for kicked
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I'm probably sticking with this metal brick of a phone until it dies on me

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I'm probably sticking with this metal brick of a phone until it dies on me
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Me too...I think. Lol
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WTF XOXO said:
@THEindian
How long have you owned the MT4G boy? check this thread out below:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468698
Why do people always talk about things they don't understand? Do you understand that source to AMD Z460 for GB2.3.X may not ever be released? Only ICS driver and kernel support I think is WIP still. I haven't kept up with the upto date yet but ill look in to it now that I am back.
Sup @ invasion2, Jack_R1
Good 2 see you folks are still with us
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Over a year, invasion2 and jack know me
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I wasn't trying to be rude or anything let alone start a flame war if you thought I was I apologize and nor was I trying to disprove, knowing XDA, I just really wanted to get the ball rolling on this especially with that anonymous user ability to semi-clock. Anyway to check if the guy who posted that he was able to overclock the gpu is legit because pulling up his account come up with invalid or something.
For a side note, wasn't some xperia devices with adreno 205 gpu over clocked? if heard/read correctly, is it possible to use the similar method and overclock the desirehd gpu or are the frameworks getting in the way and what not so it wouldn't be possible. I would like to milk this device to its limit if possible.
UPDATE: Someone just overclocked the adreno 205 gpu on the desire hd here is the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960&page=36 Beta testing seems to be in the works and for ICS.

RoboWarriorSr said:
UPDATE: Someone just overclocked the adreno 205 gpu on the desire hd here is the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1381426&page=2 Beta testing seems to be in the works and for ICS.
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That is a link to this thread.
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You mean this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960
Look at the dates, and look at the end of the thread. "Just overclocked" 1/2 year ago, and no progress since then? Because the settings most probably never kicked in to begin with. Otherwise it would have already been done.
Or post a proper link...