I just read this article about Gingerbread and the 1Ghz 512mb requirements. This article says that because the nexus one is clocked at 998mhz and since the rumored HTC vision the first dual core phone with 2 cores at 800mhz, (with a max stated by Qualcomm of 1.2ghz per core) won't qualify for Gingerbread.
How stupid can they possibly be? I really hate it when stupid people write tech articles.
http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/06/30...uire-1ghz-processors-coming-mid-october-2010/
Yeah, N1 will surely get 3.0. 998MHz is less than 3% off from 1024MHz so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, I'm failing to see how 2 cores is a good idea on a smartphone, unless it has some amazing battery, or I'm wrong about CPU power consumption. Dual cores have been popular on desktops for years now, and few apps actually use more than one core at a time. Android is designed to use as little CPU for background tasks as possible so I can only imagine multi-cores would only help with Flash and maybe video recording. 2 cores at 800Mhz seems like it would be slower than 1 core at 1Ghz for most tasks, and less efficient. I'll probably be proven wrong, but we'll see.
First, the RUMOR is just that. A rumor. It's probably fake.
Second, 1ghz, if anything, is probably a suggestion to mfgrs that Google doesn't recommend you run it on anything less than something that's 1ghz.
It's a rumor that's probably false and someone wrote an article assuming that stars had to mathematically align for things to happen.
That's what I call a TROLL ARTICLE. Just trying to drudge up some hits. Most iphone articles are the same thing. People eat them up, but they contain no real news or useful information.
Gr8gorilla said:
How stupid can they possibly be? I really hate it when stupid people write tech articles.
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Yeah me too! but it makes my day easier by giving oe something to hate
Its a good thing a GOOGLE EMPLOYEE just yesterday said the Gingerbread requirement rumors were complete b.s. and made up for the sake of writing an article.
gizmodo.com/5578055/android-gingerbread-rumors-dismissed-by-google-on-twitter
Well the specs on the leaked vision have it using the new dual core qualcomm processors. Qualcomm specs on the processor have it using less power with the 45n process in manufacturing. I am just guessing here but the processor has the ability to be clocked to 1.2ghz but I guess it is clocked down to 800 per core for the battery life.
But anyway it is all speculation until some pics or some test devices get out.
I mean if they were planning on releasing a dual core phone running Gingerbread in less than 4 months, why would the carriers or manufacturer's want you to know? Then you would wait to buy a phone. The way it works now is, you get the best thing going, say an evo or the new samsung phone. Then 3 months from now, a phone drops that blows everything else out of the water, you have got to have the latest and greatest so you drop another 500-600 on that just a few months later. They make a lot more money that way.
Don't you guys follow Romain Guy on twitter? http://twitter.com/romainguy
I love it when people just make stuff up and report it as news. http://goo.gl/cwbf
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He already said yesterday that the rumors are fake. Why do you still think this is true?
There's no minimum specs for Gingerbread and i'm 100% sure that N1 will get it.
Even if it doesn't, wouldn't you be tempted to get a dual code device in late fall?
I'll most probably get a device like that with 3.0 on it.
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Yeah, N1 will surely get 3.0. 998MHz is less than 3% off from 1024MHz so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, I'm failing to see how 2 cores is a good idea on a smartphone, unless it has some amazing battery, or I'm wrong about CPU power consumption. Dual cores have been popular on desktops for years now, and few apps actually use more than one core at a time. Android is designed to use as little CPU for background tasks as possible so I can only imagine multi-cores would only help with Flash and maybe video recording. 2 cores at 800Mhz seems like it would be slower than 1 core at 1Ghz for most tasks, and less efficient. I'll probably be proven wrong, but we'll see.
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While I agree that dual core on a phone is probably overkill, there are quite a few reasons..
Dual core can be more power efficient, sharing hardware while having overall higher capacity.
Faster processors = Hotter, more power requirements, etc
Multiple cores isn't just for single-app speed, it's for multiple apps running simultaneously without affecting each other. Of course if you need an app to do heavy processing it should multithread and use multiple cores, but I doubt you'll be rendering in Blender on your phone.... But with dual core, you can have two apps using 100% of a CPU without noticing any slowdown. Or... 1 app using 100% CPU and the other CPU free to do other stuff, letting the system stay responsive.
AOSP doesn't have hardware requirements.
Market has hardware requirements.
Even if fake or not, this thread is stupid cause the thread starter thinks the nexus is not a 1 ghz phone cause its only 998. Umm have you never seen Google's official spec page, they quote it at 1 ghz. Geez.
RogerPodacter said:
Even if fake or not, this thread is stupid cause the thread starter thinks the nexus is not a 1 ghz phone cause its only 998. Umm have you never seen Google's official spec page, they quote it at 1 ghz. Geez.
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Troll, where in his post does he say that?
These rumors were already denounced.
http://phandroid.com/2010/07/02/dan-morrill-calls-foul-on-whoever-started-that-gingerbread-rumor/
How people could believe them from the beginning is just bonkers to me.
DDM123 said:
Yeah, N1 will surely get 3.0. 998MHz is less than 3% off from 1024MHz so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, I'm failing to see how 2 cores is a good idea on a smartphone, unless it has some amazing battery, or I'm wrong about CPU power consumption. Dual cores have been popular on desktops for years now, and few apps actually use more than one core at a time. Android is designed to use as little CPU for background tasks as possible so I can only imagine multi-cores would only help with Flash and maybe video recording. 2 cores at 800Mhz seems like it would be slower than 1 core at 1Ghz for most tasks, and less efficient. I'll probably be proven wrong, but we'll see.
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1 GHZ is 1000 Mhz not 1024, this is not Byte or flash memory... so 998Mhz is basically 1GHZ like you said, just even closer
And the whole thing is a scam as the previous poster said...
McFroger3 said:
Troll, where in his post does he say that?
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oops i read it as HE was saying that, but he meant the article said that (which i didnt read as you can tell). my bad people
and BTW, stop calling everyone a troll at the drop of a hat. so i mis-read something. doesnt mean troll. troll this, troll that. my post history speaks pretty clearly that i've not once posted such things.
lorin.bute said:
Don't you guys follow Romain Guy on twitter? http://twitter.com/romainguy
He already said yesterday that the rumors are fake. Why do you still think this is true?
There's no minimum specs for Gingerbread and i'm 100% sure that N1 will get it.
Even if it doesn't, wouldn't you be tempted to get a dual code device in late fall?
I'll most probably get a device like that with 3.0 on it.
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Yes will get dual core. Point of my post is not the validity of the requirements but the statements about what phones would get the updates if the requirements were true. Anyway, with romain guys post its moot!
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Is anyone aware of over clocking on the hummingbird? 45nm process cpu should be an advantage.
Posted from a T-mobile G1 cyanogen ROM. This platform has reached its limits, my contract has reached its end, t-mo and HTC have failed to produce a suitable replacement. Epic here I come!
5years+ with t-mo.
Overclocking a 1GHz processor is hardly worth it, unless its used with underclocking for battery life.
I'm really sad there won't be any Cyanogenmod for any of the Samsung phones. I'm hoping he has a change of heart.... Otherwise I'm just looking for a good rom.
T-Mobile has horrible coverage in my area. Need me some epic!
We can go from 1000 MHz to 1300 MHz with 65nm CPU.Since its a 45nm CPU we should be able to get 300 to 1000 more MHz with a kernel with voltage increase. The galaxy s 2 has 2000 MHz CPU with 45nm processor.
Cyanogen
Is it confirmed that cyanogen won't do samsung? This seems to be the most widely distributed Android superphone ever.
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I'm really sad there won't be any Cyanogenmod for any of the Samsung phones. I'm hoping he has a change of heart.... Otherwise I'm just looking for a good rom.
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Where did you get this? You should post a source link if you're going to make such statements.
There are already developers working on CM6 for the Vibrant and the Captivate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729364
Once a member of the team has an Epic, we'll have a port also.
shep211 said:
We can go from 1000 MHz to 1300 MHz with 65nm CPU.Since its a 45nm CPU we should be able to get 300 to 1000 more MHz with a kernel with voltage increase. The galaxy s 2 has 2000 MHz CPU with 45nm processor.
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Are we going to be able to get past 1.6 ghz ?
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I bet we will pretty easily, but nobody really knows at this point. The only similar processors are in the iPad, iPhone 4 and DROID X, and all those devices are locked down pretty hard. I think the Galaxy is going to show whether or not this chip can actually be overclocked.
I wouldn't be too suprised to see 2ghz, although I think the most anybody would actually want on their phone is about 1.6.
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Where did you get this? You should post a source link if you're going to make such statements.
There are already developers working on CM6 for the Vibrant and the Captivate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729364
Once a member of the team has an Epic, we'll have a port also.
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Argh. Made me have to go searching through his twitter timeline.... -__-;;;
Everyone is asking about CM on new Samsung phones.. I don't have any plans for it myself, but I'd love to see it.
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http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/18500141823
Now, I know that doesn't mean CM WON'T be on the Epic, (Which i'm glad some devs are taking on porting it to the Galaxy lineup) but what I said, was referring to when he stated he "didn't have any plans for it".
Maybe I took that statement too literally, but if that is untrue, having CM on the Epic would make it just about perfect!
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Are we going to be able to get past 1.6 ghz ?
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Seems like 1.6 might be pushing the limits.
I for one will attempt to fork CM my self for the Epic once we have root and recovery.
Kcarpenter said:
Seems like 1.6 might be pushing the limits.
I for one will attempt to fork CM my self for the Epic once we have root and recovery.
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Why is 1.6 ghz pushing the limit? I did some research and it seems the Motorola droid can go to 1.3 or 1.5 ghz without issues and is potentially going to be OCed to 1.8ghz in the not too distant future, if it hasn't been already. Now if you take into account that the Droid uses the old TI OMAP 3430 processor, which is a Cortex A8 architecture processor made on the 65nm process and the Hummingbird processor in the Galaxy S phones is also a cortex A8 but made at the 45nm process, it sounds like 1.6ghz is definitely doable, maybe on the high end for reasonable every day use, but 2 ghz definitely sounds feasible to me at this point. However only time will tell. This definitely justifies the idea of a 2 ghz phone being released before the end of the year though. It will just require high binned processors.
Cyanogen strikes me as the type of guy where if the phone was sitting in front of him he would be helpless to resist tinkering with it.
We may want to start a pool to buy him one.
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Why is 1.6 ghz pushing the limit? I did some research and it seems the Motorola droid can go to 1.3 or 1.5 ghz without issues and is potentially going to be OCed to 1.8ghz in the not too distant future, if it hasn't been already. Now if you take into account that the Droid uses the old TI OMAP 3430 processor, which is a Cortex A8 architecture processor made on the 65nm process and the Hummingbird processor in the Galaxy S phones is also a cortex A8 but made at the 45nm process, it sounds like 1.6ghz is definitely doable, maybe on the high end for reasonable every day use, but 2 ghz definitely sounds feasible to me at this point. However only time will tell. This definitely justifies the idea of a 2 ghz phone being released before the end of the year though. It will just require high binned processors.
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I think 2 ghz is feasible as well since the are already pushing the new cpu to 2 ghz in the galaxy s 2. It really all depends on the cooling system in the epic 4g. If it can cool the cpu enough i see no reason why we cant hit 2 ghz. I just hope they didnt screw up the cooling with the added keyboard. It would suck to see all galaxy s lines running at 2 ghz but the epic held back by the changes for the keyboard.
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Argh. Made me have to go searching through his twitter timeline.... -__-;;;
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/18500141823
Now, I know that doesn't mean CM WON'T be on the Epic, (Which i'm glad some devs are taking on porting it to the Galaxy lineup) but what I said, was referring to when he stated he "didn't have any plans for it".
Maybe I took that statement too literally, but if that is untrue, having CM on the Epic would make it just about perfect!
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Ha, no worries. I saw that tweet too and came away thinking, "he's not going to rush out and buy the phone, but he's more than willing to help another developer port CM to it."
I don't think there should be any concern about whether or not CM will be ported. The big question will be what complications arise from the extra features of the Epic, like the keyboard, 4G radio, LED, etc.
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Ha, no worries. I saw that tweet too and came away thinking, "he's not going to rush out and buy the phone, but he's more than willing to help another developer port CM to it."
I don't think there should be any concern about whether or not CM will be ported. The big question will be what complications arise from the extra features of the Epic, like the keyboard, 4G radio, LED, etc.
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There is cm6 for the evo so there should be no issue with 4g by the time the epic is out. cm6 for the evo is in beta but runs good on my evo.
Pops_G said:
Cyanogen strikes me as the type of guy where if the phone was sitting in front of him he would be helpless to resist tinkering with it.
We may want to start a pool to buy him one.
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Thats a good idea. I am going to ask him if we got him a epic if he would work on cm6 for us. I can pitch in $50 or more.
shep211 said:
Thats a good idea. I am going to ask him if we got him a epic if he would work on cm6 for us. I can pitch in $50 or more.
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Yeah! I was actually thinking this too awhile ago.
If we got a donation up and running, I could donate maybe 20-30 bucks toward getting him a Epic IF he promises to make a super awesome rom for it!
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Why is 1.6 ghz pushing the limit? I did some research and it seems the Motorola droid can go to 1.3 or 1.5 ghz without issues and is potentially going to be OCed to 1.8ghz in the not too distant future, if it hasn't been already. Now if you take into account that the Droid uses the old TI OMAP 3430 processor, which is a Cortex A8 architecture processor made on the 65nm process and the Hummingbird processor in the Galaxy S phones is also a cortex A8 but made at the 45nm process, it sounds like 1.6ghz is definitely doable, maybe on the high end for reasonable every day use, but 2 ghz definitely sounds feasible to me at this point. However only time will tell. This definitely justifies the idea of a 2 ghz phone being released before the end of the year though. It will just require high binned processors.
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Well put.
THere will not be 2ghz phones for a very long time. Apple choose to clock the iPhone 4 at around 700mhz even though it is fully capable of doing 1GHz. There are going to be power consumption concerns, the galaxy and droid x cna get away with 1ghz because of the large batteries but smaller phones will probably need to be underclocked. A phone running at 2ghz will use significantly more than twice as much power as the galaxy s, and that just isn't practical on a phone.
Snapdragon seems to be able to achieve higher clock speeds, but it also seems to be less efficient per clock, judging by how the droid x and galaxy s are both faster than the identically clocked EVO and N1. So maybe we will see snapdragons in the 1.5ghz+ range, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be significantly, if at all, faster than the 1ghz OMAP/Hummingbird processors we have already.
drizek said:
I bet we will pretty easily, but nobody really knows at this point. The only similar processors are in the iPad, iPhone 4 and DROID X,
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I thought the ONLY thing similar was the initial clock speed, other than that they were a TOTALLY different architecture, as evidenced by 3d performance (iPad = 20 million tringles/second, Galaxy S = 90 million triangles/second.)
I think the processor differencve was like comparing P4 tech to core I7 tech, which leads me to wonder why would you overclock it since the performance is alredy 4 times that of the pther phones.
Like what some of the earlier posters said, would like the ability to underclock the Hummingbird to extend the battery life. Since its performance is way better than the Snapdragon, its like having a HTC Incredible/EVO but have extra 10/20/30% battery life.
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
Root it and provide system dumps
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
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Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.
dskyers said:
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
Mactagonist said:
I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...
SoberGuy said:
I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.
Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
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Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.
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soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....
So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.
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The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.
As we all know, the new trend in smartphones now is moving towards the new cortex a9 chips such as the tegra 2, orion, QSD 8960 (I think), etc. However, is all this raw horsepower really necessary? I mean, sure, apps open up 1 sec. faster, web pages load 4-5 seconds faster, and I understand the concept on future proofing, but single core devices are just as capable. To me, 500 is not worth not being able to wait 5 seconds. And don't forgot about Google's new baby, the Nexus S. What is your opinion? Are you getting a dual core? Personally, I am waiting for the quad cores!
Everything will drop in price over time. Right now, of course it's expensive, it's a new feature.
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Do we really NEED a computer/HD-TV that fits in your pocket, has wireless data, apps, wifi hotspot capability, and even makes phone calls/texts?...
I say yes. Plus, don't forget the potential battery life gains out of multi-core. But hey.... I carry around a spare battery, and that works pretty well for me.
No, we don't, BUT, they'll make us THINK we WANT it and that's ($$$) what's important to them.
Like you said, those 4-5 seconds load up time, worth it for $500? Naaa.
I'll stick with my Vibrant and let others be the beta testers.
These such things are not really our NEEDS, but our WANTS.
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As we all know, the new trend in smartphones now is moving towards the new cortex a9 chips such as the tegra 2, orion, QSD 8960 (I think), etc. However, is all this raw horsepower really necessary? I mean, sure, apps open up 1 sec. faster, web pages load 4-5 seconds faster, and I understand the concept on future proofing, but single core devices are just as capable. To me, 500 is not worth not being able to wait 5 seconds. And don't forgot about Google's new baby, the Nexus S. What is your opinion? Are you getting a dual core? Personally, I am waiting for the quad cores!
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You kind of contradicted yourself with the last sentence.
personally, i only use my device to make calls, txt'g, listen to music and maybe surf the web (rarely). i don't think i would benefit THAT much from a dual core, but on the other hand, if the battery life is better......
aside from that, i'm getting great battery life out of the rom i'm running now, so that isn't much of an issue now.
XPLANE9 said:
As we all know, the new trend in smartphones now is moving towards the new cortex a9 chips such as the tegra 2, orion, QSD 8960 (I think), etc. However, is all this raw horsepower really necessary? I mean, sure, apps open up 1 sec. faster, web pages load 4-5 seconds faster, and I understand the concept on future proofing, but single core devices are just as capable. To me, 500 is not worth not being able to wait 5 seconds. And don't forgot about Google's new baby, the Nexus S. What is your opinion? Are you getting a dual core? Personally, I am waiting for the quad cores!
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"You will never need more than 640K" -BG
It's inevitable. Power will become better, apps written for dual cores and so on. This is pretty much an open ended question with an infinite answer. In short Yes.
There's no such thing as "too much" in the technology world.
You may not need it right now, but the apps will advance and become even better, since the multi-threading will bring new possibilities.
Also, I never thought I would need 6 cores on my desktop PC. And look at me. I'm playing for a Dual 6-core Xeon server to fall from the sky right on my yard.
Apple/AT&T can answer this question better since they are good at convincing people they do not need more than 2GB of data or flash on their smartphones
Why would anyone need more then a 2400 baud modem
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VICosPhi said:
Apple/AT&T can answer this question better since they are good at convincing people they do not need more than 2GB of data or flash on their smartphones
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And yet they are killing the market so far, maybe the OP has a point, do we really need all this processing power? what we need from phones is for them to utilize what they already have more efficiently. If Team Whiskey can make roms that takes me from 8-12 hours a day battery life to 20-24hours on the SAME hardware, I think that's where manufacturers should be spending their time. Zero lag anytime, excellent battery life and even a 600-800mhz processor will be blazing on Android.
Apple has done a great job with that for the most part..hope Google does follows suite soon!
Dual cores will improve battery life.
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Not only that but there is an overwhelming trend away from laptops to tablets and smart phones. The more horse power these phones have the more we will be able to do with them. In addition Frany1029 is right, dual cores will drastically improve battery life over what we have now. Plus itll be cool to have a phone that is more powerful than most netbooks.
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Apple/AT&T can answer this question better since they are good at convincing people they do not need more than 2GB of data or flash on their smartphones
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I LOLd hard.
And yeah, I think that progression is inevitable. Its always been that way with everything. Evolve or get left behind. Simple as that.
Yes.
I want system on chip with dual core cpu and dual core gpu. You wanna talk bout battery life? Lol.
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jamesd86 said:
Yes.
I want system on chip with dual core cpu and dual core gpu. You wanna talk bout battery life? Lol.
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I can't say I really want system on a chip. Might lead to some severe lock down of the OS.
Do we need dual cores? Depends. For heavy media devices, PMPs and such I can see the need for dual cores. For a smartphone? Not really.
A 1.4 GHz Single Core with a 1900 mAh battery and 4" Super LCD/AMOLED screen would do me just fine.
I prefer backgrounding (iOS/WP7) with push notifications (WP7-style) to 3rd-party preemptive multitasking. System apps can multi-task, those that need to (media player, browser, etc.).
I am actually starting to question the value of Adobe Flash on a smartphone now, after seeing how terribly it performs on this one. I also question the value of ridiculous 4G speeds for users who don't tether their computer to their phone...
dungeon defenders will answer your question.
Do I NEED my BMW? No. But it's always nice to have. Same can be said of pretty much any luxury, and right now, that's exactly what the dual core processors are.
so the pattern is doubling the number of cores every generations then the next generation should have 8core processor?
I highly doubt it...
Probably a hex core.
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I just noticed this in Tapatalk new posts, and just HAD to answer.
What's the point?
Name one situation where you would even need that.
Samsung needs to work on improving other practical features.
They've always upgraded what makes people fall for their phones, but never anything actually useful.
Years ago, their phone cameras went up in megapixels, but sucked no matter how much megapixels they had. Because megapixels aren't as important as is other more technical camera features. But megapixels are easiest to advertise so they went with those.
Personally I think a single core was enough. Now, phone companies need to work on RAM. They could stuff a lot more RAM in before they need to upgrade the processor.
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No, we will get more quad graphics
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Doubt it. these apps doesnt even require 8 cores. if any of these phone users require 8 core just to play games, either get a console or a decent pc.
8 core to play Angry birds or Shadowgun...pffftt...
will 8 core make me type faster?
Just Faster Speeds
tbh, I think faster speeds are really the only shift we'll be seeing at least next year for sure, but probably the year after that as well. Although with Windows 8 on ARM on the horizon, perhaps devs may find a way to do some serious mobile computing.
i don't think that 8 core will be useful for a device of 5" or 6"
They will stay at quad core but use the faster A15 architecture.
It's possible they might add some low powered A7 cores in a big.little configuration to improve battery life.
It will also have a next gen Mali gpu. Either Mali 604 or t658.
I'm also expecting it to have 2gb of ram.
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Why would you even care...
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Why would you even care...
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lol coming from a WP user
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I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.
Dual core phones are already fast enough but seems like phones will start competing with pc in the next few years.
Imo RAM n battery life need to be increased greatly then manufactures should start thinking about future multiple core cpu.
Imagine a hex core cpu n the juice it needs
Yes, RAM!
ya, I definitely think RAM has a place because that's one of the best things about smartphones is the ability to multi-task! So if manufacturers can further cater to that, then I think more cores may follow, especially if we get more TRUE multi-tasking where you have live apps running. Because then, you can delegate individual cores to individual apps that are running. ATM I'm not entirely sure why I would need multiple live apps running simultaneously on a phone, however I think for business workers/students it could be helpful to be watching a live stream or doing a conference call while taking notes in an office suite app.
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lol coming from a WP user
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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Snow_fox said:
I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.
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This. One needs to wonder why would a decent mobile OS need this much power anyway?
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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the s4 will be dualcore 2.3ghz the s5 will probably be some insane cpu and graphics chip capable of running mw3 im 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% sure they will be more powerful than a xbox 360
Battery and ram def need to be upped. I also think phone manuf should provide a extended battery option with every high powered phone. I would also like to see a slow down on e amount of phones coming out. Perfect your flagship mid and lower powered phones then move on
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.
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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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Hehe, I know what you mean...a year ago I had a Desire, and it was amazing to see how greatly the software could work after some tweaking, compared to stock. Sure it was kinda challenging, but it really felt like it was worth it: that phone was a living thing to me, I could hear it breathing. I swear I almost cried when I sold it, and I actually immediately regretted doing it, but it was too late. It was like leaving a dog on the side of the road or something like that, but at that time I was all excited about the fresh dual core thing, so I couldn't think rationally. There are days when I still feel very guilty about what I did. I'll never do that again. Guys seriously, if you have an old Android device with you don't sell it, you will regret it. Maybe not now, and not even in a few months, but you definitely will, trust me, especially if you've been living with it for a while (I had that phone for over a year).
Selling the GS2 didn't actually make me feel that way, probably because I've only kept it for a few months and didn't really tweak it that much...
8 cores is long way to go.
no way 8 core phone in next 3 years!
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I Am Marino said:
I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.
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Thats ri8 More RAM and Longer Battery life is way to go.
They already have superb camera and beautiful display
Bell points the finger at chipset makers - "The way it's implemented right now, Android does not make as effective use of multiple cores as it could, and I think - frankly - some of this work could be done by the vendors who create the SoCs, but they just haven't bothered to do it. Right now the lack of software effort by some of the folks who have done their hardware implementation is a bigger disadvantage than anything else."
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What do you think about this guys?
He knows his stuff.
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i would take it with a pinch of salt, though there are not many apps that takes advantage of multi core processor lets see what intel will tell when they have thier own dual core processor out in the market
Pretty good valid arguments for the most part.
I mostly agree though, but I think android makes good use of up to 2 cores. Anything more than that it doesn't at all.
There is a huge chunk of the article missing too.
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What do you think about this guys?
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I think they should all be covered in honey and then thrown into a pit full of bears and Honey bees. And the bears should have like knives ductaped to their feet and the bees stingers should be dipped in chilli sauce.
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I think they should all be covered in honey and then thrown into a pit full of bears and Honey bees. And the bears should have like knives ductaped to their feet and the bees stingers should be dipped in chilli sauce.
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wow, saying Android isn't ready for multip-core deserves such treatment? or this guy had committed more serious crime previously?
Actually is a totally fail but in android 5 I think it's can be solved
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This was a serious problem on desktop Windows OS as well back when multi cores first starting coming out. I remember having to download patches for certain games and in other cases, having to set the CPU affinity to run certain games/apps with only one core so that it wouldn't freeze up. I am sure Android will move forward with multi-core support in the future.
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wow, saying Android isn't ready for multip-core deserves such treatment? or this guy had committed more serious crime previously?
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Its a harsh but fair punishment imo. They need to sort that sh*t out as its totally unacceptable or they're gonna get a taste of the Cat o Nine Tails.
Android kernel is based on Linux. So this is suggesting the Linux kernel is not built to support multi-core either. Not true. There is a reason the SGS3 gets 5000+ in Quadrant, the the San Diego only gets 3000+. And the San Diego is running 200MHz faster.
Just look at the blue bar here. http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/31/orange-san-diego-benchmarks/ . My SGS3 got over 2.5K on just CPU alone.
What Intel said was true. Android is multicore aware but the os and apps aren't taking advantage of it. When this user disabled 2 cores on the HTC one x it made no difference at all in anything other than benchmarks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26094852&postcount=3
Disabling the CPU cores will do nothing to the GPU, hence still getting 60 FPS. And you say that like you expected to see a difference. Those games may not be particularly CPU intensive, thats why they continue to run fine. They will more than likely be GPU limited.
Android is not a difficult OS to run, thats why it can run on the G1, or AOKP can run smooth as silk on my i9000. If it can run smooth as silk on one 2yr old 1GHz chip, how COULD it go faster on a next-gen chip like in the SGS3 or HOX? In terms of just using the phone, ive not experienced any lag at all.
If youre buying a phone with dual/quad CPU cores, and only expecting to use it as a phone (i.e, not play demanding games/benchmark/mod/what ever else), of course you wont see any advantage, and you may feel cheated. And if you disable those extra cores, and still only use it as a phone, of course you wont notice any difference.
If a pocket calculator appears to calculate 1+1 instantly, and a HOX also calculates 1+1 instantly, Is the pocket calculator awesome, is the HOX not using all its cores, or is what it is being asked to do simply not taxing enough to use all the CPU power the HOX has got?
I've been hearing this for some time now and is one of the reasons I didn't care that we weren't getting the quad core version of the GS3
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I've been hearing this for some time now and is one of the reasons I didn't care that we weren't getting the quad core version of the GS3
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Okay folks... firstly linux kernel, which android is based on, is aware of multicore (its obvious) but most the applications are not aware, thats true!.. but is not the android which to blame neither the SoC makers. This is like the flame intel made that they wanted to say their single core can do faster to a dual core arm LOL, (maybe intel will make 1 core has 4 threads or 8 threads) <- imposibruuu for now dunno later
you will notice the core usage while playing HD video that require cpu to decode (better core decode fastly)... and im not sure single core intel does better to arm dual core.. ~haha~
but for average user the differences are not noticable.. if intel aiming for this market yes that make sense... but android user are above average user.. they will optimize its phone eventually IMO
What they have failed to disclose is which SoC they did their test on and their methodology. Not much reason to doubt what he's saying but you gotta remember that Intel only have a single core mobile SoC currently and are aiming to get a foothold in the mobile device ecosystem so part of this could be throwing salt on competing products as it's something that should be taken care of by Google optimising the CPU scheduling algorithms of their OS.
The problem is in the chip set. I currently attend SUNY Oswego and a professor of mine Doug Lea works on many concurrent structures. He is currently working on the ARM spec sheet that is used to make chips. The bench marks that he has done shows that no matter how lucky or unlucky you get, the time that it takes to do a concurrent process is about the same where on desktop chips there is a huge difference between best case and worse case. The blame falls on the people that make the chips for now. They need to change how it handles concurrent operations and then if android still cant use multi-core processors then it falls on the shoulders of google.
that is my two cents on the whole situation. Just finished concurrency with Doug and after many talks this is my current opinion.
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Disabling the CPU cores will do nothing to the GPU, hence still getting 60 FPS. And you say that like you expected to see a difference. Those games may not be particularly CPU intensive, thats why they continue to run fine. They will more than likely be GPU limited.
Android is not a difficult OS to run, thats why it can run on the G1, or AOKP can run smooth as silk on my i9000. If it can run smooth as silk on one 2yr old 1GHz chip, how COULD it go faster on a next-gen chip like in the SGS3 or HOX? In terms of just using the phone, ive not experienced any lag at all.
If youre buying a phone with dual/quad CPU cores, and only expecting to use it as a phone (i.e, not play demanding games/benchmark/mod/what ever else), of course you wont see any advantage, and you may feel cheated. And if you disable those extra cores, and still only use it as a phone, of course you wont notice any difference.
If a pocket calculator appears to calculate 1+1 instantly, and a HOX also calculates 1+1 instantly, Is the pocket calculator awesome, is the HOX not using all its cores, or is what it is being asked to do simply not taxing enough to use all the CPU power the HOX has got?
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That doesn't mean daily task doesn't need the cpu power. When I put my sgs 3 in power save mode which cut back the cpu to 800mHz, I feel the lag instantly when scrolling around and navigating the internet. So I can conclude that performance per core is still much more important than number of cores. There isn't any performance difference either with the dual core sensation xe running beside the single core sensational xl.
The hardware needs to be out for developers to have incentive to make use of it. It's not like Android was built from the ground up to utilize 4 cores. That said, once it hits enough hand it and software running in it will be made to utilize the new hardware.