Gmail and LauncherPro - Droid Incredible General

Ive used the Gmail application since Ive had my phone and Ive been using LauncherPro for about 2 months now as my default launcher. LP has always showed the email count in the launcher until this recent Gmail update. Now it doesnt even with the option checked too.
Anyone have any idea? Ive tried reinstalling LP with no luck.

It may have something to do with the Gmail update, since it adds Priority Inbox support, and the notifications are set up different. Try going to the Gmail settings - your email account - Labels to notify - make sure your Inbox and Priority Inbox are set to notify. If they are, maybe the LP developer needs to update to accommodate the new Gmail changes?

The newest gmail update has blocked access for all third party apps to access it. Multiple apps like launcher pro and missed it do not work now.
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phoenixs4r said:
The newest gmail update has blocked access for all third party apps to access it. Multiple apps like launcher pro and missed it do not work now.
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I assume the devs know about it then. I guess revert to the old one until an update comes around.
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I assume the devs know about it then. I guess revert to the old one until an update comes around.
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To add onto what everyone previous has said, the dev. of launcher pro made a blog post on his site (launcherpro.com) about this latest gmail update.

I didn't know that. Does the developer have plans to update?
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Dev was supposed to rewrite the entire program. That was awhile ago and no dice. Not sure if there is a work around the gmail issue anyways.
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it's not just lp,it's any home launcher that uses the notification

http://www.launcherpro.com/2011/07/09/upcoming-changes-to-gmail-app/
You can try rolling back to a previous version, but unfortunately we're at the mercy of Google right now.

it works fine for me, and i've been using launcher pro for a while now. no i don't have the e-mail count but the notifacation pull down is just good looking in gingersense.

Kiboe said:
it works fine for me, and i've been using launcher pro for a while now. no i don't have the e-mail count but the notifacation pull down is just good looking in gingersense.
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I'm fairly certain almost everything else in launcher pro is running like normal for everyone with the exception of the gmail integration due to gmail's recent update.

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Facebook and android

Seriously, bb and facebook rock. Android and fb suck. I get NO notifications. Ever. Why? I dont know why. I read on here that people do get notifications so what the deal is? Why am i not getting any?
This is on stock, on root, cm7, and same issues on my g2 and mt4g, and nether one of my phones with 2 different facebook accounts for two different people get notifications. Is there a setting in facebook on the desktop that im unaware of?
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tackleberry said:
Seriously, bb and facebook rock. Android and fb suck. I get NO notifications. Ever. Why? I dont know why. I read on here that people do get notifications so what the deal is? Why am i not getting any?
This is on stock, on root, cm7, and same issues on my g2 and mt4g, and nether one of my phones with 2 different facebook accounts for two different people get notifications. Is there a setting in facebook on the desktop that im unaware of?
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There are better and alternate facebook apps on the market maybe the notifications will work with those. I have no notification issue myself with the official app but there are other options you can try. Account/sync settings may be some help as well.
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I get messages pushed but no update notifications such as someone posted on my wall or replied to me
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TweetDeck FTW... http://www.appbrain.com/app/tweetdeck-(twitter-facebook)/com.thedeck.android.app
It does Facebook, Twitter and more. Works beautifully.
same here
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I get messages pushed but no update notifications such as someone posted on my wall or replied to me
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I get the exact same issue, No matter what android phone I had. No notifications are being pushed to my phone at all. I did have it working at some point, but it suddenly stopped.
Yea mine was working when I first had my mt4g, but even then it was not up to date much. Then all the sudden it stopped. Back then I was running iced glacier rom on that phone
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I rarely use Facebook so I'm probably not the best indication of whether notifications are working on not, but I noticed that I used to get them fine with the old version of the app, it stopped working/worked sporadically for about two versions, and then it started working again with the latest update that just came out last week.
Like I said though, I rarely get any notifications to begin with so maybe it is still sporadic and I've just been lucky so far (especially since it seems like a lot of people have had nothing but problems with the latest update).
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I rarely use Facebook so I'm probably not the best indication of whether notifications are working on not, but I noticed that I used to get them fine with the old version of the app, it stopped working/worked sporadically for about two versions, and then it started working again with the latest update that just came out last week.
Like I said though, I rarely get any notifications to begin with so maybe it is still sporadic and I've just been lucky so far (especially since it seems like a lot of people have had nothing but problems with the latest update).
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I downloaded the new version last night.... no changes other than the notifications screen works in landscape
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Ok sadly none of us seemed to think about this...
Typically, when I open facebook, I see a list of posts, then I back out and I see notifications screen, then I back out again and think its still running but in reality, its actually turned off.
Instead of backing out of the program like anything else, just hit the home button to exit fb and notifcations work just fine.
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tackleberry said:
Seriously, bb and facebook rock. Android and fb suck. I get NO notifications. Ever. Why? I dont know why. I read on here that people do get notifications so what the deal is? Why am i not getting any?
This is on stock, on root, cm7, and same issues on my g2 and mt4g, and nether one of my phones with 2 different facebook accounts for two different people get notifications. Is there a setting in facebook on the desktop that im unaware of?
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Same here. I am also using the official app and no notifications are being pushed to me either, and they are enabled. I am running stock software on my G2. My girlfriend has Mytouch 3G and she gets the notifications. Pretty weird stuff.
I just did the facebook app update the other day and my notifications are now working.
I am running CM 6.1.1
make sure in facebook app settintgs you have a CHECK next to notifications and refresh interval set to 1 hour.
also make sure contact sync is ON, which might help?
I don't use facebook.
Ehh, I'm not gunna complain, the fb is 100% better than it was half a year ago.lol. but yeah, +1 for the no notifications.
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well like i said above, dont back out of the program, just hit the home button and leave it running.
if using a task killer, ignore FB. i have been getting notifications since yesterday when i tried this. apparently, FB must be running in order for notifications to work, exiting the program or killing it completely does not allow for push notifications to run thru.
Flow for Facebook is a really good alternative app. It has an option to use the email notifications you get from facebook and switch that over to use for the app. For example, If someone comments on my post I will see the email thing appear but it will disappear and switch to the flow notification saying its for facebook and what not. Theres an option to delete the emails too when it gets notified(paid version). Try it out, I have both official and flow. Flow is so i get instant notifications and the official is just for playing around because flow doesnt have chat yet.
Congrat' : you've just given your Fb IDs to a private company !
but same probleme here... I wish I could receive several sort of notifications... (birthday, event...). Now, I just receive mail....
I get notifications you need to set it up in facebook? If you not done that take a look at privacy settings. I requested on notifications when people add me on post on my wall that's it to many get really annoying......
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I don't bother with the FB app notifications, they don't seem to work anyway. I just use the FB texts.
Well, I gave up on the FB App notifications months ago. So I just set up my account so it sends me texts anytime I get a notification. Way easier, at least for me. I didn't have that many problems with notifications still, but they were always late. Like a minute or so. Texts are faster, at least with me. Just saying :3
I never have problems getting notification from fb. They also are going right thru gmail
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Android Facebook app Gingerbread no notifications.

Hi,
I've been running the awesome americandroid gingerbread os in my hd2 for a couple.of weeks now and apart from.the known problems, this thing is sweet!
I have a general question that if can't figure out. How exactly does androids Facebook notifications work on gingerbread. I don't get any push notifications. I do get notified when i get a message but not when I receive status updates. I have doubled checked the settings and everything seems correct.
Anybody else having the same problem..... any obvious solution that I may have missed?
Regards,
Asmd.
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Bump.
Anybody?
Any and all replies are much appreciated.
Regards.
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Perhaps the Facebook app is not fully compatible with gingerbread? However, I prefer to use facebook mobile on the browser. Much better in my opinion because you get to see everything at once like newsfeed & any notifications.
tony500106 said:
Perhaps the Facebook app is not fully compatible with gingerbread? However, I prefer to use facebook mobile on the browser. Much better in my opinion because you get to see everything at once like newsfeed & any notifications.
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There's a way to get Facebook notifications working on your droid from the Native FB app. Check this post out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20189736#post20189736
If you don't have access to a BB I've heard that it works with an iPhone as well. I didn't have either and went to Blackberry's website and downloaded an emulator for the Storm 2 and from my PC was able to achieve the same results. Works like a charm now and all my notifications are coming in faster than email or even when I have FB running on my laptop sometimes the notifications are even faster to the phone then when they pop up on the screen.

Gmail 2.3.5 breaks widgets

Watch out Gmail 2.3.5 update seems to break widgets and launchers that show unread Gmail. Now I wish I had backed up my GSII Gmail with TB...
Yeah that kind of sucks. Will just have to wait fire the launchers to provide us with an update!
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You can do a Google search for Gmail 2.3.4.1 and install that. Fixed my problem.
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or you can just go back to market, search for gmail and click uninstall updates.
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Just download the previous version from forum or custom rom that has gmail inside. Just take the gmail.apk then install
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I had issues rolling back... Even after uninstalling the update, my notifications were still broken, ended up doing a factory reset (and good thing I do a daily backup!)
Was having all kind of other problems with the new gmail app too...auto sync wasn't working anymore so had to refresh manually, emails sometimes wouldn't send and the number of unread emails wouldn't clear. A complete mess really
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Isadora said:
I had issues rolling back... Even after uninstalling the update, my notifications were still broken, ended up doing a factory reset (and good thing I do a daily backup!)
Was having all kind of other problems with the new gmail app too...auto sync wasn't working anymore so had to refresh manually, emails sometimes wouldn't send and the number of unread emails wouldn't clear. A complete mess really
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Before try flash using original rom or custom, try to wipe the data & cache
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mazta132 said:
Before try flash using original rom or custom, try to wipe the data & cache
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I frankly didn't want to faff around... Only took a few minutes anyway to reset the phone, reinstall Titanium Backup and have it restore all my stuff
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I can't update GMail, I can't even see it in the Market? Does anybody know why?
It's not among all the Apps I have downloaded.
I can't even find it when searching for it, it just doesn't show up!?
SherlockR said:
I can't update GMail, I can't even see it in the Market? Does anybody know why?
It's not among all the Apps I have downloaded.
I can't even find it when searching for it, it just doesn't show up!?
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Just search for "gmail" in the market. App is preinstalled so it won't show in the apps downloaded from the market, but if you find it in the market it will just say "update". And yeah, 2.3.5 gmail breaks all notification services that are supposed to retreive unread emails, no longer possbile for now, but i use Samsung Social Hub anyway.
Here is a link to explain it further.
"Basically, previously an app just had to declare that they use the READ_GMAIL permission in it’s Manifest and it would all work. Now though, they’ve added the androidrotectionLevel="signature" which means that only the Gmail app itself can access it’s DB (as that’s the only thing which will have the right signature).
Which means that all the Gmail notifiers, widgets, etc in the Market will not work. Ever. The same can be said for FriendCaster’s Gmail notifications feature.
Thanks Google…."​
Yeah!!! Thanks Google!
Edit: Also, Google's competitor (Windoz Phone) shows an unread count on their phones, why can't google have the same native widget that does an unread count. We had to completely rely on 3rd party developers, BUT NOW it wont work!
STUPID GOOGLE!
Someone mod it lol
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lawalty said:
Here is a link to explain it further.
"Basically, previously an app just had to declare that they use the READ_GMAIL permission in it’s Manifest and it would all work. Now though, they’ve added the androidrotectionLevel="signature" which means that only the Gmail app itself can access it’s DB (as that’s the only thing which will have the right signature).
Which means that all the Gmail notifiers, widgets, etc in the Market will not work. Ever. The same can be said for FriendCaster’s Gmail notifications feature.
Thanks Google…."​
Yeah!!! Thanks Google!
Edit: Also, Google's competitor (Windoz Phone) shows an unread count on their phones, why can't google have the same native widget that does an unread count. We had to completely rely on 3rd party developers, BUT NOW it wont work!
STUPID GOOGLE!
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just don t install de update , or unistall it from market , it breaks , popup , missed reminder , etc.... i won t install untill the other app works with the new gmail
Gmail v2.3.5 seems to break ADWNotifier to. Because that can notify of e-mails from Gmail.
ADW Notifier can no longer do a "count" but can put up the question mark bubble, at least in Chuck Norris mode. Latest update fixed the FC issue it was having.
Google probably though they were helping increase Android security, as I imagine they changed the permissions to prevent potential privacy problems.
I unlocked Gmail 2.3.5. Pure messenger widget can read Gmail 2.3.5 (modded) if you follow 'solution 3' ... http://bit.ly/ph4T0a
Sp1tfire said:
Just search for "gmail" in the market. App is preinstalled so it won't show in the apps downloaded from the market, but if you find it in the market it will just say "update". And yeah, 2.3.5 gmail breaks all notification services that are supposed to retreive unread emails, no longer possbile for now, but i use Samsung Social Hub anyway.
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Would be nice to try Social Hub, but it will not accept GMail as an account on my phone. Gave up on it.
Tried the uninstall update method. No go.
Google's starting to develop some of the M$ bad habits. Maybe they ARE getting too big.
-Bob-
Isadora said:
I had issues rolling back... Even after uninstalling the update, my notifications were still broken, ended up doing a factory reset (and good thing I do a daily backup!)
Was having all kind of other problems with the new gmail app too...auto sync wasn't working anymore so had to refresh manually, emails sometimes wouldn't send and the number of unread emails wouldn't clear. A complete mess really
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I've had the phone 4 days. Might have to do my 3rd factory reset! Fun and games. Your solution seems to be the only one that works.
-Bob-
I ended up doing a Stop, Clear Cache, Uninstall, and reboot. I'm back on 2.3.4.1.
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I ended up doing a Stop, Clear Cache, Uninstall, and reboot. I'm back on 2.3.4.1.
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But does it work?

Samsung - please fix the Email app

I am using the native email app for my exchange account. It is useless..
1. Keeps force closing
2. Whenever I try to move a message to a folder it keeps loading then closes
I was hoping it would fix with the new OTA update but not luck.
I am using N900 model.
I actually have the same problem but on a S800 version of the phone.
I've tried clearing the cache, removing my account and a lot of different things.
I am rooted, use a different dpi than stock but via xposed it is stock dpi. It never worked w/o fcing the first time I open it, even before I was rooted even.
If I want to read an email I open the app, it fc's, then I open it again and all is fine...
Would be nice of anyone had an answer or fix for this.
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Which means it's there on n9005 also!
Have you tried flashing one of the ROMs? Maybe it works fine in those?
Something causes the crashes and I suspect it's folder naming related and is depended on the local language. I thing even if I don't have the problem we must somehow contact sammy for this.
You have the problem in normal pop3 accounts or exchange accounts only?
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BlueChris said:
Something causes the crashes and I suspect it's folder naming related and is depended on the local language. I thing even if I don't have the problem we must somehow contact sammy for this.
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Interestingly it wasn't there in GS4 or note 2
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Aha so it's a bug in Android 4.3 or something then.
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BlueChris said:
Aha so it's a bug in Android 4.3 or something then.
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Not too sure... Works fine on my HTC which is running Android 4.3
I have zero problem with the email app. 2 exchange accounts on it. So maybe it is indeed something about your particulars accounts.
remiotte said:
I have zero problem with the email app. 2 exchange accounts on it. So maybe it is indeed something about your particulars accounts.
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i have this problem on my exchange account... not quite the same, but every time i get an email or notification to do with that account, i can't access it from the notification bar or the app will force close. even if i try to clear all notifications or clear just that one, it freezes up the phone for about 5 seconds then force closes the email app
any ideas? this sucks... i need that account for work...
I think we need to narrow down the problem, what I can do is to make for you a test email in my company just for you to test, I'm with exchange 2007. What you think,? I'm really thinking that is regional problem or something that has to do with character encoding in the phone or in the exchange server or even with the certificate.
You both have knox enabled?
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Well I have frozen the knox crop via titanium backup.
I've only setup a Hotmail account. Never had any problems on my old note 2 or s4. Not even on 4.3 Google edition roms or aosp. Anyway, the problem was there even before I rooted strangely. Even when I swipe away email notifications the app fc's.
Could it be an email.apk problem in the /system/app folder?
Could someone with root please upload it so I can test?
Another edit.
I've noticed it only happens when I get an email, which means I get an notification. If I open the app when I get an notification as well it fc's. When I just open is at random it doesn't fc. Very very weird
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Working fine here. I have the exynos SM-N900 version with 1 exchange account. I use it for work so emails all day and no fc so far. I have wanam xposed with the exchange pin bypassed.
BlueChris said:
I think we need to narrow down the problem, what I can do is to make for you a test email in my company just for you to test, I'm with exchange 2007. What you think,? I'm really thinking that is regional problem or something that has to do with character encoding in the phone or in the exchange server or even with the certificate.
You both have knox enabled?
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How do I disable knox?
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I have tried it with Knox frozen and not frozen....I'm on a n900w8 rooted with twrp installed. If I do anything to interact with an email notification from my exchange account it freezes the phone for a few seconds then force closes email. If I turn notifications off, and nothing gets displayed in the notification bar then I can use it all normally. And even with stuff being displayed, if I go into the actual program and check the email, it works, even with the notification there, but it doesn't go away and when I go to get rid of it then same thing force close.....what a load of Crap that Samsung puts out something with an issue like this on a phone that is supposed to be "business friendly" ****ing bull****
My problem with email app:
It sends emails just fine it does not receive any email unless i remove the account and add again. there is nothing wrong with my server (using IMAP push from hostgator) and in the K9 client its working flawlessly however i would really like to use the stock app. It wont receive email even if i do a manual refresh i have to remove the whole account and add it again
can anyone help me please??
Ok guys better don't turn off knox for this, we still don't know how it affects the overall system. As I see it it's problem with the samsung push service and the notification subsystem. The push service is upgraded before some days and my version that's working fine is 1.2.2.2
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BlueChris said:
Ok guys better don't turn off knox for this, we still don't know how it affects the overall system. As I see it it's problem with the samsung push service and the notification subsystem. The push service is upgraded before some days and my version that's working fine is 1.2.2.2
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I am also using 1.2.2.2 however the email app is still not allowing me to receive emails only to send im sure its a failure in the push service did anyone report this to samsung?
apascual89 said:
Working fine here. I have the exynos SM-N900 version with 1 exchange account. I use it for work so emails all day and no fc so far. I have wanam xposed with the exchange pin bypassed.
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Apascual...
Are you able to move mails to folders in the mail app? Do you have many folders on your exchange server?
anshkhanna said:
Apascual...
Are you able to move mails to folders in the mail app? Do you have many folders on your exchange server?
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I'll try, I normally don't do that on the phone. I'll try it out.
BlueChris said:
Ok guys better don't turn off knox for this, we still don't know how it affects the overall system. As I see it it's problem with the samsung push service and the notification subsystem. The push service is upgraded before some days and my version that's working fine is 1.2.2.2
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Two things....first, would this cause the notification related issues I have?
Second, I just found that, if I set sync to manual, send myself an email from a Gmail account on my computer, then go into the email app and click refresh to sync, then I get the same problem....email freezes things up fit a few seconds then force closes. I can still Re open email and after I do that then it works fine and I can interact with my nail, it's just those two situations that causes the force close.....don't get it

email app

Does anyone have the old email app, I hate using Gmail...
Thanks
networx2002 said:
Does anyone have the old email app, I hate using Gmail...
Thanks
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https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/email/email-7-0-release/#downloads
And if it's needs it for exchange,
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/exchange-services/exchange-services-6-5-release/
Haven't tested on this device but should work. Over time I've just gotten used to Gmail to help my paranoia of any possible security measures being outdated now. Lol.
Which Email app are you referring to? I don't think there was a specific one for AOSP... If you hate using Gmail app for Google Mail try Inbox. It took a little getting used to but I can't use Gmail anymore on my desktop or phone.
Inbox is great.
I don't use Gmail. I want tho aosp email. The one that was posted above is the one I wanted, but it wants me to update it to Gmail.
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networx2002 said:
I don't use Gmail. I want tho aosp email. The one that was posted above is the one I wanted, but it wants me to update it to Gmail.
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Maybe try using an older version on the site. Uninstall first then downgrade (a few downgrade if needed) and see if it still does. Could be something they added in the app when they were moving away from AOSP originally. Otherwise you may be SOL.
I'll try it
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I don't like the Gmail app either. I used Type App.
What's the difference between typeapp and bluemail? They look the same
I also hate Gmail for my work email. I've been using boxer by VMware. The company is reputable and I like the app so far. No limitations or paid features. It does everything I need and supports exchange with contact sync and push notifications which is what I needed specifically.
Nine
I use blackberry Hub app works great used it on my note 5 as-well.
Bluemail is the best out there but I cannot see the icons on the top strip in light mode. Anyone have this problem?
LastQuark said:
Bluemail is the best out there but I cannot see the icons on the top strip in light mode. Anyone have this problem?
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Had the same problem. You need to make it full screen.
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I was having the same issue
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Nine
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I also use Nine. Love it.
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Email by Edison Software. Discovered it last week and it's great
Nine's the best!
I use Nine, as already mentioned, which is great because it can contain a work Office 365/Exchange administrator's access to control your phone, to just within the app. Nine also syncs calendars well, which I really like. I also really like AquaMail. Both apps do fine with Google, Outlook, Yahoo, IMAP, etc.
QD2DC said:
I also hate Gmail for my work email. I've been using boxer by VMware. The company is reputable and I like the app so far. No limitations or paid features. It does everything I need and supports exchange with contact sync and push notifications which is what I needed specifically.
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Is this better than Outlook for Android? Is there anything that will combine one nice email app into one, for both personal and work email? Gmail sucked for my work email as well. Been using Outlook for Android, which is fine, but a bit clunky.

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