And why does like every other ROM for this phone (along with certain other phones) have it? Is it purely a graphical thing, does it increase performance, or what? I've generally used plain/unthemed ROMs (like CM Nightly) and then customize them the way I like (keeping them as minimal/lightweight as possible), but I'm considering switching.
Also, does it generally scale with LCD density changes? I can't use a rotary-style unlocker when I lower the LCD density, for example, because it looks messed up as a result.
Not another of these posts.
It's a point of personal preference.
One of the biggest reasons I use sense is the integration with with various apps.
I also like the looks of the sense camera
THe dialer is also pretty big for me. I can punch in the numbers based on where the alphabets are on and it deduces who I want to call. say I want to call john, I punch in 5646 and it looks up contacts that contains 5646 or the letters that correspond to the alphabet. So 5646 will also pull up everyone named john as well...
apart from that, i also like the looks of it as well.
Search bud
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Sorry, didn't think that this question would have been asked before, especially the LCD density part - which, speaking of, anybody know if it would work with a screen density of, say, 140? Most people seem to stay at 190 or above, so searching for the answer hasn't been too successful for me.
LOL one thing is for sure it DON'T speed up phones.
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LOL one thing is for sure it DON'T speed up phones.
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but it does still run smooth.
It's kinda obvious it wont make things run faster when you're adding another layer you know...
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but it does still run smooth.
It's kinda obvious it wont make things run faster when you're adding another layer you know...
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Lockscreen, dialer, camera, HTC Sense Sync, contact linking, widgets, the ability to do a search before post a repetitive thread...
Sense usually doesn't get along too well with LCD Density changes especially with the default Rosie launcher. Sense is great though, looks nice and well integrated with the apps.
As said, personal preference. I'm using Cyanogenmod now, but beyond it's appearance*, Sense covers for a lot of Android's functional deficiencies. For example, the above-mentioned T9 dialer is essential and I can't believe Android doesn't have it built in. The camera app is WAY better than the stock one. I believe you can copy selections WITHIN text messages, which is nice - in fact Sense had the Gingerbread-style text-selection functionality before Gingerbread. The clock app is also much better (and there's no use of Clockopia, which is possibly the worst font ever made by man or beast).
Newer versions allow you to launch apps from the lockscreen, which is nice.
Of course, it's pretty heavy, and all the deep twitter/facebook integration is pretty useless if you're not a big social networker.
*I find Android to be a horribly ugly operating system, but Sense isn't really much better imo. I theme every ROM before I flash it
useful, get everything u need at ease, bunch of widgets to choose from
see everything u want at glance (time, date, weather ...)
great camera
helpful lockscreen
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professional look
telling everyone that I AM USING AN HTC phone
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Lockscreen, dialer, camera, HTC Sense Sync, contact linking, widgets, the ability to do a search before post a repetitive thread...
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you're quoting the wrong person.
I'm not the OP
I used to love the look of AOSP roms like CM and others, but I left that for MIUI.
I have used Sense for a bit but couldn't get into it. Roms like CM are made to be light and quick with little optimization. Roms like Sense and MIUI are meant to be heavily optimized, not as quick, but run smoothly non the less. As others stated, it's all about preference.
Sense is just "quietly brilliant" IMO
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Sense is just "quietly brilliant" IMO
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Lol obviously that is the joke of the day!
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Sense is just "quietly brilliant" IMO
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That always makes me laugh. Because HTC Sense is the loudest, most useless waste of space stacked with gobs of chrome UI I've ever used.
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That always makes me laugh. Because HTC Sense is the loudest, most useless waste of space stacked with gobs of chrome UI I've ever used.
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To each their own. I can talk smack about anything but its better kept tom myself rather than sounding like an elitist
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To each their own. I can talk smack about anything but its better kept tom myself rather than sounding like an elitist
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You either love it or hate it that's just the way it is with sense. I personally don't like it, but it is nice to know if I ever really get bored I can try it out and try to like it lol.
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To each their own. I can talk smack about anything but its better kept tom myself rather than sounding like an elitist
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I feel a hint of cynicism... I'm not an elitist because I think that Sense is bloated. And I know I'm not alone in this thought. I'm not saying Sense is bad per se, I'm just explaining how I see it. You can talk trash about stock android if you want, but I don't think you'll get too much support on that front. I don't hate on Sense exclusively by the way, I'm not a big fan of any skins. It's not that I'm opposed to the idea of the skin, its just that no company has made a good one yet.
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You either love it or hate it that's just the way it is with sense. I personally don't like it, but it is nice to know if I ever really get bored I can try it out and try to like it lol.
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Agreed, lots of people are loyal to Sense. That's the idea, HTC wants it to be a consistent experience people get attached to, and they've spent a lot of time and money to create it.
I have a nandroid of a Sense ROM on my G2 right now. I switch to it now and then, but I go back to my normal ROM within the day. It is quite polarizing.
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I feel a hint of cynicism... I'm not an elitist because I think that Sense is bloated. And I know I'm not alone in this thought. I'm not saying Sense is bad per se, I'm just explaining how I see it. You can talk trash about stock android if you want, but I don't think you'll get too much support on that front. I don't hate on Sense exclusively by the way, I'm not a big fan of any skins. It's not that I'm opposed to the idea of the skin, its just that no company has made a good one yet.
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Yeah, you got the cynicism. I said I can talk trash about anything else but just because I can does not mean I hate it or I think it's bad so don't start putting words in my mouth.
But your previous comment was as helpful as me saying "omglol touchwiz blows monkey chunks lolz!!!! Oneoneelventyone"
Sense may seem bloated to you, but no other company has come to an integration with other apps as htc has yet and still look good doing it.
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Yeah, you got the cynicism. I said I can talk trash about anything else but just because I can does not mean I hate it or I think it's bad so don't start putting words in my mouth.
But your previous comment was as helpful as me saying "omglol touchwiz blows monkey chunks lolz!!!! Oneoneelventyone"
Sense may seem bloated to you, but no other company has come to an integration with other apps as htc has yet and still look good doing it.
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I pretty clearly expressed how I felt about the UI concepts that HTC has created (bloated, useless, too much chrome).
Everything you're saying to defend it is just as subjective as anything I can say about how bad I think it is. UI concepts are not universally accepted. Just because someone likes it doesn't mean everyone does. You may think that they've done a good job with app integration, but I really see no usefulness in Sense, and it really doesn't 'look good doing it' (which is my first point.).
I think its pretty clearly put that most Android skins are pretty polarizing, you either like it or you don't. And this polarization will obviously be strong with a very customized and long-going skin like Sense.
I just don't understand why your word is better than mine because you like Sense and I don't. You've given no more examples of how great it is than I have given of how I don't like it (although I have given a few). So really, I think you need to settle down. I said that Sense UI is bloated and full of useless crap, and you said it isn't. What an argument.
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Coming from the Nexus One, running cMod6, I can't describe how choppy and over-themed this software is. Please, for the love of god, someone develop a Vanilla Android rom!!!! PLEASE!!
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Coming from the Nexus One, running cMod6, I can't describe how choppy and over-themed this software is. Please, for the love of god, someone develop a Vanilla Android rom!!!! PLEASE!!
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Hang tight. Good things are right around the corner.
Use launcher pro for the time being.
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The "theme" is as light as it could be for a complete overhaul. You need to look elsewhere for the reasons why your phone is choppy, it's certainly not TW overall (maybe the widgets, some of them are extremely laggy).
Do the lag fix. World of difference
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Sound & Camera is only thing left to fix for Stock Google Android on the Vibrant... Barak is working on that tonig http://twitpic.com/2djkpi
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From Eugene_373:
Sound & Camera is only thing left to fix for Stock Google Android on the Vibrant... Barak is working on that tonig http://twitpic.com/2djkpi
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+1.
@ OP: Eugene's ROM is probably the fastest and most stable out right now. Besides, why wouldn't you have just downloaded ADW by now? Isn't that the stock Launcher on all CM ROMS now-a-days??? I would suggest following some devs on twitter too, you'll see that things are coming around nicely.
Here is a Few Pic's
http://twitpic.com/2djkpi http://twitpic.com/2dfx9i http://twitpic.com/2dfx5l http://twitpic.com/2dfwwv http://twitpic.com/2dfwrb http://twitpic.com/2dfwkb
Yea, I couldn't stand it either. Way too colorful for my tastes.
Just remove all the widgets from your home screens. Instant fix. At least it was for me.
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Here is a Few Pic's
http://twitpic.com/2djkpi http://twitpic.com/2dfx9i http://twitpic.com/2dfx5l http://twitpic.com/2dfwwv http://twitpic.com/2dfwrb http://twitpic.com/2dfwkb
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Wow. Iv been an Anrdroid user since the G1 first came out and after looking at those pics vanilla Android looks so Win95ish and TouchWiz is Windows 7ish.
To each his own I guess...
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Wow. Iv been an Anrdroid user since the G1 first came out and after looking at those pics vanilla Android looks so Win95ish and TouchWiz is Windows 7ish.
To each his own I guess...
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Yeah, the TW overlay is severely undervalued
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Yeah, the TW overlay is severely undervalued
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Yea, I dont get the hate....
The only thing that is really overly slow, is the cold boot-up process (media scanning, especially). Other than that, I find TouchWiz to be my favorite of all Android skins. There is a noticeable lag when launching an app for the first time (two seconds or so), but I'm willing to deal with that, even if there is room for improvement.
Not having some of the TouchWiz customizations is what keeps me from jumping to another Android phone. I couldn't live without these iPhone-like Calendar and Clock apps.
But you think TouchWiz is bad? Christ, go try scrolling around the home screens of the Droid X or the EVO. Those phones feel so antiquated, to me. Though, I'd like to see if 2.2 makes them usable...
In other news: GPS and Compass are still completely broken, with no word from Samsung.
not hate tw lags like a ***** is all.
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not hate tw lags like a ***** is all.
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Really? I thought that had more to do with the I/O performance. Stock Android is going to be snappier for sure but there is no reason why the Vibrant can't handle TouchWiz, which a good portion of is just different colors. My eyes are bleeding after looking at stock Android on the Vibrant. I know some prefer it but I can't tell you how many people think TW is just the "iPhone launcher"
simply put, if you don't like it, don't use it when we release it...
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simply put, if you don't like it, don't use it when we release it...
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That's not what I was saying at all, and I won't. Simply put.
I'm sure most people wouldn't mind it if it wasn't so damn colorful and a blatant copy of iOS. Besides the vibrant already looks very similar to an iPhone no need in making it look like you are using a knockoff.
To be fair TW has some very nice additions but at a price of ugly.
Wow, I thought having a verity would be nice... If you up tight, please don't use anything I post.. There is no point in being high and mighty...
Some don't like tw, some do... Some like plain jane.. I like both so I don't care, but have source we can work from? Well, we'll never have tw source so be grateful anyone is working on stuff from source.
I have to choose either epic or evo tomorrow, and would like the epic cause of the screen quality and the video quality.. but the evo has sense and i simply cant live without it..my question is would there anytime soon be a sense port to the epic? cause i would love to have the best of both worlds.. i dont want no alternative widgets ect..i want sense on that amazin amoled screen...
If I can remember there was a team of people trying to port it, but haven't heard from then in awhile
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It's being worked on right now. by 2 devs, 2 good devs, who will most likely have it done a few days after the official froyo release.
Sense? Are you serious? Just go get an EVO cause if your buying an Epic to put Sense on it you could be waiting forever. And also the Epic is to nice a phone to ruin it with Sense.
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get the EVO, we don't need another "krazie" in here posting in the wrong section.
OP reported as belonging in the general section.
If you want Sense, just get an Evo. No port will function 100% like official Sense from HTC. Personally, I hate all these customized launchers from manufacturers (Sense, Touchwiz, etc.) as they're slow and laggy, and I just use LauncherPro (ADW is great as well).
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It's being worked on right now. by 2 devs, 2 good devs, who will most likely have it done a few days after the official froyo release.
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LOL..yea ok. I know its being worked on, but its far from being even close
Fck sense I had it on mts3gs and its nothing special,how about porting Xperia X10 Rachel or Acer Breeze ui they look way better and offer way more functionality,i even like our Epic's Twiz better than sence.
Yeahh i was just trying to get the thread over with. i hate stupid questoins
I thought I would miss sense when coming from the touch pro 2 to the epic. Boy was I wrong.. sense is so slow in comparison to the eic running launcher pro or adw.. sense has sme cool features but nothing that you can't download or add with launcher pro.. but if you really want 100% sense go with the evo.. I'm sure either way you won't be dissapointed
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I personaly like sense and hate touchwiz however owning both an evo (wife) and epic (myself) I can tell you performance/battery/screen...etc wise the epic is a better phone. I miss sense as well but nothing you can't be without. Get the epic!
thanks to everybody who gave me positive feedback. to all the rude people making smart comments, i would like to cuss you guys out but im going to be an adult about the situation. with that being said, Im going to get the evo..simply because I believe the camera will be modded by developers..i have seen the youtube videos and all and have been blown away by the epics quality as far as audio and video camera..but i simply cant live without sense..the calender and peep widget and email widget have me in love
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thanks to everybody who gave me positive feedback. to all the rude people making smart comments, i would like to cuss you guys out but im going to be an adult about the situation. with that being said, Im going to get the evo..simply because I believe the camera will be modded by developers..i have seen the youtube videos and all and have been blown away by the epics quality as far as audio and video camera..but i simply cant live without sense..the calender and peep widget and email widget have me in love
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I love sense. Its amazing..but launcher pro pretty much has me covered with its sense like widgets..if you stay on a few minutes ill post scree shots
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Fck sense I had it on mts3gs and its nothing special,how about porting Xperia X10 Rachel or Acer Breeze ui they look way better and offer way more functionality,i even like our Epic's Twiz better than sence.
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I've agreed with him before and I agree once again
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lviv73 said:
Fck sense I had it on mts3gs and its nothing special,how about porting Xperia X10 Rachel or Acer Breeze ui they look way better and offer way more functionality,i even like our Epic's Twiz better than sence.
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What you like isn't really relevant to the OP.
Check out this thread and the video. Had the guy fooled into thinking it's SenseUI but it's actually just a theme and widgets. Take a quick look at it, you might just find it suites your taste.
+1 for adw
Sense is aright, but really....on the epic...
I hate TW myself. So went with adw and never looked back! My roomie has adw on his evo and would never go back to sense.
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+1 to the Launcherpro comment. The widgets are just as nice, if not better because of the better speed.
I don't believe there is a email widget though... the Samsung email application is simple enough and handles emails like a dream though, the exchange calendars sync right up to, AND the launcherpro widget can pull in everything even from the Samsung calendar app. It's fairly nice.
It's really all about personal preference, I'd pick based on the pros and cons of each that aren't software related, because even if the official sense never makes it to the epic there are alternatives that will do the same thing, look just as good, and be faster and easier on the battery. At the heart of Android lies Linux.. and like anything Linux you can customize to your hearts content.
The Epic trounces the Evo in terms of performance, the evo has a bigger screen but the epics is higher quality, battery life is better on the epic, the evo gets faster updates but the epic in theory might get them longer with the superior hardware, the epic has a pretty good hardware keyboard the evo has an awesome touch screen keyboard (which can be installed on the epic), epic 3D performance is outstanding while the Evo's is so-so but not bad, the evo's build quality seems better and the epic feels less solid due to its keyboard slider (you will have that tiny tiny amount of play in the screen even closed like most slider phones have). List goes on and on. You can't go wrong with either really.
Just watched that video of "pseudo sense" hilarious.....
you can get anything you want, to look like anything you want for android. You just gotta be persistent. If you like the Hardware of the Epic, go with the epic. You might get tired of Sense.
I have the Epic and the Evo.. Rocked the Evo for a week and a half and went back to the Epic. Just better quality screen and got bored of Sense.
I been using Go Launcher on the epic and I like it better than Launcher Pro may wanna try it out its free and uses less memory.
I notice there are a few different ROM's for the DHD, some with Sense some without.
Whats the actual difference, does Sence in some way slow the phone down?
I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
So, are there advantages to running a more vanilla android version with some widgets over the sense style ROMs.
I am on mike1986's Android Revolution.
I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
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If you root the phone using VISIONary+ you can delete/rename the Lockscreen.apk I believe and it will return to the vanilla lockscreen. As for jazzy widgets that's a Sense thing, unless you buy and install LauncherPro over ADW.Launcher, LauncherPro has People, Bookmarks, Calaendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook & Friends widgets that can be used. There is also music widget control using Cyanogen.
I find sense slow and garish, it slows down the phone for no good reason, ASOP ROMs are much lighter and look, IMO, much prettier and unique.
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I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.
i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water
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i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water
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People like the simplicity of Cyanogen. Sense slows even the DHD down, it's aweful. And to boot pretty much everyone with an Android phone has it. It's better to be unique.
you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.
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you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Point well made.
I really can't notice nay slow down due to Sense whatsoever. I really do think that someone should clearly "sell" the advantages of dumping Sense, other than just plain old enthusiasm for hacking something. I think it is more down to aesthetics than anything else. Try other ROMs and see if you like them, you might. I like the fact that HTC have at least tried to add value to Android.
A further irony is having come from the Magic I can vouch for the fact that much effort was put into porting Sense to that plain Android phone.
Sorry, no lag when I scroll my SMS or App drawer. The DHD can definitely deal with the demands of Sense.
Sense is pretty cool and only lags if you try to make it. I think that if all Android phones came with Cyanogen as the stock ROM then the Sense ROM would be a massive hit. Cyanogen is definitely a good choice because it's clean and fast but until i actually need my Desire HD to run faster and more efficiently i won't use it. That's why i will go sort of halfway and flash a cooked sense based ROM like Leedroid.
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Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.
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look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not
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I have to admit I didn't try it out on desire hd but I tried it when I'm with a hero. Say, cyan is for dev and sense is for users. Whatever you get what you want.
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look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not
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Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.
If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?
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If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?
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You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.
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You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.
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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?
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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?
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Not that, I know of. Sense Copy & Paste is one of them, there is no magnification window when you copy and paste on the DHD, and the louder ring, that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.
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lol who said it had to be standard? sense comes with to much bloatware, so i remove most of it
have you tried this theme addon? http://classical-gas.blogspot.com/2010/12/jamt-htc-desire-cyanogenmod-610rc2.html
works real nice i have cyan set up alight atm but hopefuly not long till the ginger comes along
I am back on a sense rom. Rcmixhd since adfree and other components work correctly unlike on the other sense roms I've tried. I used to love Cyanogen on my Nexus One but the new sense is very slick indeed.
It does not lag. It does take a little longer to boot and use more memory but who cares when we have so much ram on the dhd. I don't know how the amount of room it takes can be an issue either considering we have 1.5gb rom. I still have 0.9gb free with 54 apps installed.
tbh I still love cyanogenmod but its htc locations which is keeping me on sense. Its the best android offline navigator I've tried in terms of routing here in New zealand and I love the fact I can just buy a cheap 1 month subscription for navigation in another country when I go overseas. Any other app one is forced to buy a complete package for that country at considerably larger cost.
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I really don't like the Sense launcher, I use adw, but sense has lots of little modifications that are just nice to have. Text selection, quick lookup, freaking awesome dialer, flip to speaker etc
I'm running android revolution hd, no lags, excellent battery (whole day with pretty heavy use. Needs charging every night but I can use all the phones features as much as I like and not give the battery a second thought) also 2400 in quadrant. So all in all i really rate sense.
......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
Try "gladroot"
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......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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I just rooted my atrix last night with "gladroot". http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12540398
Before you root, install Motorola driver first. Nobody didn't mention about it until later and it took me for a while to troubleshoot. As long as you read and follow the instructions, it's not difficult.
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root
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I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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Don't have to dig far!
Rooting for dummies is on the 1st floor! LOL
Thanks a lot, very nice.
3GS -> Atrix
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......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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I just made the same switch last week (3GS -> Atrix). Agree that MotoBlur sux and it's also been painful syncing contacts and calendar from my work's Outlook (going through Google isn't an option)
One reason I made the switch was for the less restrictive Android OS. However if you're on version 1.57, it looks like you have to take a few steps backwards to get ahead (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12540398). Looks like I'll have to set aside some time to play...
JRSOne said:
......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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Get adw launcher and use titanium backup to freeze blur. Fixes that problem right up. On the other hand, try running gingerblur which has a clean UI and runs quite smooth. It also removes a ton of other bloatware on the phone. Everything except adw launcher requires root of course.
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I don't understand why ppl say "blur sucks"....I like BLUR, it's very useful with all that widgets to have all your Social Networks quickly in one hand.
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I don't understand why ppl say "blur sucks"....I like BLUR, it's very useful with all that widgets to have all your Social Networks quickly in one hand.
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Blur USED to suck, past tense. It doesn't suck too badly anymore. And I can't see why a new user would say it sucks when they have no experience. This is just a blind statement.
I'm very picky with my launchers and if I could tweak Blur to look better and purge a few things I don't use, it actually wouldn't be very bad at all. But I like that with the other launchers I can personally tweak them precisely to my preference.
bongd said:
Blur USED to suck, past tense. It doesn't suck too badly anymore. And I can't see why a new user would say it sucks when they have no experience. This is just a blind statement.
I'm very picky with my launchers and if I could tweak Blur to look better and purge a few things I don't use, it actually wouldn't be very bad at all. But I like that with the other launchers I can personally tweak them precisely to my preference.
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BLUR sucks.
Exchange 2003 notifications are broken.
Unified Inbox doesn't include GMail. (that's a hurr durr right there)
Duplicate functionality of what already exists (Social Networking, Accounts, Corporate Sync)
I don't mind the homescreen/launcher.
My biggest complaint with blur is simply the lag when switching home screens and bringing up the full list of apps. And that you can't change anything on the dock. And the widgets are ugly. Oh wait...that's pretty much everything that blur does I hate...
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I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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You mean the interface that is the exact same for everyone? The iPhone was made to be simpler. It's so everyone can use it. If you like being coddled by Apple, return the Atrix and get your i4.
It's up to you. WebOS is rising, WP7, BBOS (not as popular). Your pick, dude. Like I said, the iOS devices are made so that even a monkey could pick one up and work it like a pro.
If you're not going to take the time to tweak your device to your liking, go with iOS.
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I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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Yep. The other androids are not that bad. The original froyo has a cleaner and faster approach than motoblur. Motoblur by far is the worst UI-skin you can possibly have.
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Yep. The other androids are not that bad. The original froyo has a cleaner and faster approach than motoblur. Motoblur by far is the worst UI-skin you can possibly have.
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Have you ever tried TouchWiz? the iPhone wanna-be? Sense is decent, but Blur is one of the closest manufacture's skins to Vanilla Android.
Also, your opinion on Blur is your own. Many people love and use Blur, and many people do not. Just because you say it's the worst, does not make it so.
I advise you to try out all the other different interfaces, and tell me Blur is the complete and total worst you have ever tried.
What about the newer blur on the droid x?
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Have you ever tried TouchWiz? the iPhone wanna-be? Sense is decent, but Blur is one of the closest manufacture's skins to Vanilla Android.
Also, your opinion on Blur is your own. Many people love and use Blur, and many people do not. Just because you say it's the worst, does not make it so.
I advise you to try out all the other different interfaces, and tell me Blur is the complete and total worst you have ever tried.
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Lol. It was obviously an opinion. I did not in any way said im representing the whole android community duh.
I have tried touchwiz, sense and the LG UI already. And of course i've also tried the original android stock UI.
I kinda want to know what people doesn't like on motoblur. The panels? You can empty all of them and end up with 7 panels on witch you can put whatever icons, shorcuts, widgets (and so on) you like. I'm coming from sense but I can customize the motoblur to look just as good. Don't feel like using launcher pro and already uninstalled regina 3D and adw. I woulg probably give a spb a try if they would have a trial.
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I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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I'm also coming from an iPhone, and here are some things I think are superior on the Atrix (and Android) to the iPhone (and iOS):
1. Non-intrusive notifications! I hated how on the iPhone, notifications pop up as dialogs that have to be closed. Sometimes you're doing something important, and you get a text message which pops up right in the middle of the screen. Irritating! I like how you can slide down the top bar when you want and it shows you your notifications.
2. Notification LED. It's great to be able to tell that you have messages or a missed call without having to turn on the screen.
3. Four hardware buttons instead of just one. After you've used the phone awhile, you'll realize how useful a back button and a menu button can be. You have to switch back to home less than you do with an iPhone. Also, hold down your home button and shortcuts to your last 8 used apps will appear.
4. Every application must advertise what features of your phone it has access to in the Manage Applications settings pages. So if an app can read and write to your contact data, it says so in the settings. On the iPhone, you have to rely on Apple to make sure all apps are doing what they're supposed to. Worse, if you get apps from Cydia, well then you're completely on your own.
5. You have 15 minutes to get a refund if you buy something from the Android Market. That's a pretty short time if you have to download a big application, but better that than no refunds at all.
6. Having the option to use an external micro-SD card is pretty nice.
7. Unlike the iPhone, the home screen and the app drawer are two separate things. It's nice to have widgets to customize your home screens.
8. For obvious reasons, Android versions of Google applications tend to have more features on Android than on the iPhone. For example, Maps has that cool 3D compass view, instead of the regular "up is North" top-down view. It also has a Street View add-on which is pretty neat and works quite well.
9. GPS seems faster and more precise on my Atrix than on my iPhone (and my friend's iPhone 4). I've heard others say the opposite with respect to the iPhone 4, so maybe it depends on where in the world you are.
10. For Bell users (ATT users have to pay I think?), Mobile wifi hotspot works great. I've tried tethering my Macbook Pro to the phone via wifi, and it works really well.
11. There's a basic data counter built in, which shows you how much data you're using, and by which apps.
12. There's a pretty decent Battery Manager built in, which shows very clearly what percentage of your used battery was used by each phone function, or application.
13. It comes with Swype as an alternate input system to the virtual keyboard, but you're free to install other 3rd party input methods if you like (there are quite a few).
Well, I don't know if I missed anything, but for the most part, these are the things that impressed me the most after using the Atrix for a couple weeks. I'm very happy I moved to the Atrix, but that's not to say that I hate the iPhone. I still like it, it has a very polished feel and the best screen in the business. And after all, it was the breakthrough smart phone when it first came out. There are just a few things that I think they really need to improve (notifications!).
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I liked some of the features of Motoblur, like having the Manage Applications settings right in the menu of your homescreens. Very useful. Some of the widgets are nice too. My major complaint is that Motoblur is so choppy when scrolling around! That's unacceptable for a high-end phone, in my opinion.
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the iOS devices are made so that even a monkey could pick one up and work it like a pro.
If you're not going to take the time to tweak your device to your liking, go with iOS.
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+1 this is the reason why people think that iphone its a ladies phone. its easy to use, no customizable and very locked device, like you say XD even a monkey can work on it like a pro
... if nothing else... Backups/Restores take a quarter of the time!
Thats it? I have tried AOSP roms a few times but they never lasted longer then a few hours. I just keep going back to Sense, I would love to hear about what is better about AOSP vs Sense. Are those backups including system data or just apps + their data?
What I like about aosp is the increased performance and customization. I get much better battery life compared to sense roms, my phone feels much snappier and the availability of themes/mods is unparalleled. Not to mention cm7 is always being updated and has the most support of any custom rom.
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I was trying out CM7 and while it was nice there were a few things I missed from my old rom and wasn't sure if I could get it on CM7.
On my old rom the pull down has the flashlight icon so I can turn it on and off easily also I was looking for some task bar themes. I found a few but not too many unless I'm not looking in the right place.
I really hate that standard gingerbread green theme.
You can put the flashlight toggle in the notification pulldown and you can also set it to death ray which is way brighter than the sense flashlight. That also reminds me of another useful feature that was added recently, you can long press an icon in the pull down menu and it will take you to the setting for that particular feature. As far as themes, there are quite a few in the market and floating around in the themes section as well.
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*sigh* anyone who claims they are getting dramatically better battery life on an aosp rom vs a sense rom needs to actually test it and show proof. I've done testing using apps like System Panel and Battery Monitor Widget and I saw NO difference in battery drain between cm6 and my stock sense rom. Neither when idle, asleep, or while actively using the phone.
On the dinc, the two biggest battery killers by far are the screen and 3g data. And no rom is going to change that.
I'm glad that we have options but I hate when people claim things are faster or have better battery life but offer no objective proof.
My top 3 reasons.
1. Increased speed/responsiveness.
2. DSP Manager, in 2.3 you get bass boost, once sense hits 2.3, it may have it too however. But for the time being. AOSP only.
3. The super bright flashlight! Seriously, probably the second most used app on my phone, next to SMS.
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Hm sorry if I don't want to spend my time making graphs and charts, doing testing etc, so I can "back up" my opinion that battery life and performance is better on aosp as opposed to sense.. As I see it, sense offers fancy graphics and social integration but of course uses more CPU and therefore battery as well. If this is a ridiculous claim I apologize.
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I'd say its more dependent on what services you use in sense. Like friend stream, news, stocks, weather, and such. And how often it updates, how many live widgets you have etc. And AOSP ROM's typically don't have as much to sync, and less stuff running all the time. Hence the better battery life. Also depends on the kernel you use.
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I'd say its more dependent on what services you use in sense. Like friend stream, news, stocks, weather, and such. And how often it updates, how many live widgets you have etc. And AOSP ROM's typically don't have as much to sync, and less stuff running all the time. Hence the better battery life. Also depends on the kernel you use.
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True, those things in sense are optional and not using them or syncing them less often could help but that kind of defeats the purpose of using a sense rom.. Not to mention that the framework that allows those things to work is still running in the background even if you're not using those services. AOSP kernels do seem to have better support as well.
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This may be completely shallow of me, but I HATE Sense's visual style. It's just too cartoony for my liking. Too me it looks like something that belongs on a children's toy, not a legitimate piece of consumer electronics. It's an ugly, cartoony battery hog. I know that some people think that AOSP Android looks "boring", but I greatly prefer it to Sense.
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This may be completely shallow of me, but I HATE Sense's visual style. It's just too cartoony for my liking. Too me it looks like something that belongs on a children's toy, not a legitimate piece of consumer electronics. It's an ugly, cartoony battery hog. I know that some people think that AOSP Android looks "boring", but I greatly prefer it to Sense.
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that may be true, but sense was made to be usable in a smartphone SENSE. AOSP is very boring, and a battery hog on gingerbread. Until it is released for the inc, we are just using someone elses build. It is easy to come in here and blast something in which you dont like, but I ask, if you hate sense, why did you buy the dinc in the first place? You obviously have the wrong phone. to come in here and bash this phone because its too "cartoon like", is kind of stupid, since you bought the phone. I personally get much better battery life off of the sense 2.0 z roms than I do off of cm7. I really cant stand people who just bash a rom, just to bash. Everyone has there own preference, why not just leave it to that. If the sense roms are so cartoony, why the hell did you buy the phone, you look like an idiot for bashing a phone you paid alotof money for dude.
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that may be true, but sense was made to be usable in a smartphone SENSE. AOSP is very boring, and a battery hog on gingerbread. Until it is released for the inc, we are just using someone elses build. It is easy to come in here and blast something in which you dont like, but I ask, if you hate sense, why did you buy the dinc in the first place? You obviously have the wrong phone. to come in here and bash this phone because its too "cartoon like", is kind of stupid, since you bought the phone. I personally get much better battery life off of the sense 2.0 z roms than I do off of cm7. I really cant stand people who just bash a rom, just to bash. Everyone has there own preference, why not just leave it to that. If the sense roms are so cartoony, why the hell did you buy the phone, you look like an idiot for bashing a phone you paid alotof money for dude.
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First of all I didn't buy my Dinc, I received it as a gift this past Christmas. I didn't get to choose my phone or my carrier. I love the Incredible but I hate Sense. And I'm getting better battery life with CM7 then I get with any Sense based ROM. You talk about people having they're own preference and leaving it at that, why don't you take your own advice ans stop insulting people for having a different opinion than yours?
I came from a Droid 2 and I'll definitely say sense>blur but was mainly attracted to the Inc because its fully unlockable and has goo(d dev support. Getting better battery and gingerbread is just a bonus.
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First of all I didn't buy my Dinc, I received it as a gift this past Christmas. I didn't get to choose my phone or my carrier. I love the Incredible but I hate Sense. And I'm getting better battery life with CM7 then I get with any Sense based ROM. You talk about people having they're own preference and leaving it at that, why don't you take your own advice ans stop insulting people for having a different opinion than yours?
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We all have choices, your the one who commented in a thread on how much you HATE something. I dont really care if you like sense or not, but i have children, i suspect you may not, i teach them not to use that word. Had you not used it, i probablt would have never said anything. The problem with our society is all the HATE going around.
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I've been doing some tests on CM7 recently... with my battery life.
I have the stock battery, using Tiamat 3.3.8, -25 UV. I don't use any self-updating widgets other than Fancy Widgets Home for weather and clock. On my second page I have SuperManager widget for monitoring free RAM, not saying it helps battery life, but definitely with performance. OC'ed at 1113, and using performance governor. LauncherPro Plus is my default launcher...
Yesterday when I went to sleep, my phone had been off of the charger for 13 hours plus, and I was still at 51%.
Perhaps I don't use my phone as much as ya'll... but I browsed internet for a good 45 minutes.... sent and received a total of about 50 text messages.... got about 4 emails (everything on autosync) and tweaked some settings in launcher pro.
Maybe it's because I stopped using so many autoupdating widgets, but the last week I have been seeing a dramatic improvement.
I find CM7 to be faster than Sense... until I load it up with widgets. Beautiful widget clock, calendar widget, contacts widget... Once I've added these, CM7 is noticeably laggier and generally slower than Sense.
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We all have choices, your the one who commented in a thread on how much you HATE something. I dont really care if you like sense or not, but i have children, i suspect you may not, i teach them not to use that word. Had you not used it, i probablt would have never said anything. The problem with our society is all the HATE going around.
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And you don't think that's overreacting just a little? I didn't say I hate a person, I said that I hate a custom UI on a mobile operation system. The thread is about AOSP vs. Sense, and I simply commented that I greatly prefer the look and feel of AOSP Android to the look and feel of sense. I don't hate everything about sense, I like the flip clock widget and HTC's camera app is great, but the fact is that I do hate Sense's visual style and think that it is better suited for a children's toy then an actual piece of consumer electronics.
Up time, or time off the charger, means almost nothing, considering you'll only lose a percent every 2-3 hours. You guys need to look at your AWAKE time, time you are actually using the phone. I find I can typically get about five hours of awake time out of a full charge on my sense Rom. Cm7 gave me fourish, I don't recall what cm6 was but I know it wasn't as bad as 7.
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My top 3 reasons.
1. Increased speed/responsiveness.
2. DSP Manager, in 2.3 you get bass boost, once sense hits 2.3, it may have it too however. But for the time being. AOSP only.
3. The super bright flashlight! Seriously, probably the second most used app on my phone, next to SMS.
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I have all three of these features on skyraider 4
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