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im a big fan of nief's rom comparison, and i think the same concept could be applied to Kernels. I know performance and Battery Life will vary by ROM, but if we get enough responses the different ROMS wont make too big of a difference. THis is just a draft, feel free to message me with suggestions or info.
This is a group effort, i need testers for CM Snap and net's kernel, message me with your results!
https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?key=tzhby6p54vqXnyxbE_e2APw&hl=en#gid=0
seems like a good idea, i really only care about performance and battery life. any point to putting kings kernel on there, he updates it daily lol
yeah, thats why i dont have a ton of things listed.
This is a good idea
Now that I bought an extended battery the only thing I care about is performance
I still need testers!
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testing bakedsnack #5 and kingxkernel today!
I think these comparison charts are a waste of time to be honest. The only way it would be effective would be if it was the same person doing all the testing, under the same conditions (ROM used, tries done per benchmark, specific time after reboot, etc.)
With kernels especially, the ROM you're using it with will play a major role in benchmark and stability yields. Not to mention the what apps you have running in the background.
Just made the jump to my DHD from my HD2, was cheffing for the HD2 for 18 months so thought i would start again LOL
i have made myself a build, was wondering if anyone would be interested in it if i share
its going to be for the not particularly experimental people who need and want a really stable, stock(ish) CM rom
Froyo CM 6.1.3, uber stable
Really clean, no junk apps at all
Several performance tweaks, quadrant ~ 2300
Standard CM kernel (until i build my own)
thoughts please
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gosh darnit i have put this in the wrong section, would a MOD mind miving it to the rom development section please
Unable to comply mate as any "ROM coming soon" thread is not allowed. Feel to post your downloadable file on this thread, PMme and "then" I'll send your thread to the right area.
Cheers,
M_T_M
PS: Do not post a thread over in development 'till your ROM is ready to be released, please.
No problem, on thinking about it it is probably better here until I release anyway!
How about cm7 with fixes and all since cn7 looks a helluva lot better than froyo
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Yeah man,MrYuiM is right.Gingerbread is a lot better and more nice looking.Froyo AOSP is ugly butt.Plus,I think you should release it anyway;New roms are always welcome around here!
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i have made myself a build, was wondering if anyone would be interested in it if i share
its going to be for the not particularly experimental people who need and want a really stable, stock(ish) CM rom
Froyo CM 6.1.3, uber stable
Really clean, no junk apps at all
Several performance tweaks, quadrant ~ 2300
Standard CM kernel (until i build my own)
thoughts please
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I appreciate you've probably put a lot of work into this for your own use, but all your really proposing is CM 6.1.3 with all the crap removed and some tweaks thrown in, I agree with the latter posters that you'd better serve the community by getting your development prowess behind teamdouche in the push towards CM7 stable than releasing this.
already got my GB rom well underway, just finalizing it really (it will be a direct port of CM7 RC2 at the moment)
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already got my GB rom well underway, just finalizing it really (it will be a direct port of CM7 RC2 at the moment)
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Why do another CM7 port, what the DHD needs is a really light aosp rom like adam g's oxygen for the desire
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Why do another CM7 port, what the DHD needs is a really light aosp rom like adam g's oxygen for the desire
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Hmm, he might be lightening, we never know. What we really do need is a CM7 ROM with Lee/Mike/Segio's performance and tweaks included. Now that is a ROM from heaven But Lewarne, your work is much appreciated
i shall say nothing other than let my reputation with HD2 roms speak for itself
i wont release it for a while though
Patience is a virtue I'll look at your HD2 ROMS
i have to say though im not that impressed with CM7+2.3.3
i find it quite unstable (tried lots of the rom ports on here) and a little laggy compared to froyo.
eg, im making the same basic rom (same apps, general system tweaks etc)
CM6+froyo - quadrant of 3300 @ 1.5ghz
CM7+gb - quadrant of [email protected] 1.5ghz
Now i know that quadrant is not a good benchmark, and is highly vulnerable to synthetic changes. However, nearly a thousnd points is a lot of variance, so i ran a linpack run on each, taking an average of 5 runs
CM6+froyo - 49 mflops @ 1.5ghz
CM7+gb - 45 mflops @ 1.5ghz
that is again quite a large disparity! visually, i actually prefer froyo as i find GB a bit too dark, and its certainly mature and stable. Even checked out the battery drain on my froyo rom, getting around 10ma or less on idle consistently, and thats with the standard CM kernel !
i dunno, would you guys at least like to try.look at my froyo build? im much more confident in it than i am GB at the moment.......
If u can get one of the recent battery drain fixes for cyanogenmod in ur Rom I certainly would love to try ur Rom, performance tweaks in combination with battery fixes sounds good to me!
Looking forwArd to seeing ur work in action
i was living quite fine with froyo, before flash cm7, some tweaks are really hard to leave. specially long press in search button to open an app and long press in back button to close an app... and beside it, i'm getting 3~5 mAh of battery draining with mad patch in gb and with stock cm6 kernel it is 12~14...
these are the main 'problem' with cm froyo build for me! =oP
i agree with you that cm7 is really unstable when compared to froyo, cm7 has wi-fi problems, gps problem, rotate problems, radio problem... quite annoiyng to be fixing point by poiint.
if you realese your rom, certainly i'll flash, but i think your knowledge would be more appreciated fixing issues from cm7. =o)
I am sure the inspire 4G community would appreciate it as well .
g.lewarne said:
i have to say though im not that impressed with CM7+2.3.3
i find it quite unstable (tried lots of the rom ports on here) and a little laggy compared to froyo.
eg, im making the same basic rom (same apps, general system tweaks etc)
CM6+froyo - quadrant of 3300 @ 1.5ghz
CM7+gb - quadrant of [email protected] 1.5ghz
Now i know that quadrant is not a good benchmark, and is highly vulnerable to synthetic changes. However, nearly a thousnd points is a lot of variance, so i ran a linpack run on each, taking an average of 5 runs
CM6+froyo - 49 mflops @ 1.5ghz
CM7+gb - 45 mflops @ 1.5ghz
that is again quite a large disparity! visually, i actually prefer froyo as i find GB a bit too dark, and its certainly mature and stable. Even checked out the battery drain on my froyo rom, getting around 10ma or less on idle consistently, and thats with the standard CM kernel !
i dunno, would you guys at least like to try.look at my froyo build? im much more confident in it than i am GB at the moment.......
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I see where you're coming from, but also remember the drivers for the GPU for gingerbread haven't been released, nor have any of the other drivers I think. Maybe this could affect performance as the old ones are in use?
g.lewarne said:
i have to say though im not that impressed with CM7+2.3.3
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i dunno, would you guys at least like to try.look at my froyo build? im much more confident in it than i am GB at the moment.......
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Hey man! You remember me right!?!? I'm quite happy for you to see you here!
Sorry if this is off-topic! But i'm also thinking of switching to DesireHD from HD2!
I know it's been maybe only 1 week with you, but how do you find it?!
How it is compared to HD2 in terms of build quality?!
To be honest i've been reading a bit in here and i'm not assured about it
It looks DHD have many build issues (without mentioning the expected bad battery issues)!
It looks it have issues with:
-GPS fix!
-camera lens misaligned!
-battery cover and sim cover misplaced or bumping out!
-dust under screen (which means unsealed gaps!)
-died pixels!
-...
It's really freaking me out! If i haven't touchscreen issues with HD2 i wouldn't sincerely think of switching!
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Hey man! You remember me right!?!? I'm quite happy for you to see you here!
Sorry if this is off-topic! But i'm also thinking of switching to DesireHD from HD2!
I know it's been maybe only 1 week with you, but how do you find it?!
How it is compared to HD2 in terms of build quality?!
To be honest i've been reading a bit in here and i'm not assured about it
It looks DHD have many build issues (without mentioning the expected bad battery issues)!
It looks it have issues with:
-GPS fix!
-camera lens misaligned!
-battery cover and sim cover misplaced or bumping out!
-dust under screen (which means unsealed gaps!)
-died pixels!
-...
It's really freaking me out! If i haven't touchscreen issues with HD2 i wouldn't sincerely think of switching!
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Yo just to jump in. I have no problems with any of those, but I haven't really used the GPS and if there is a problem I do what many others do and install the GPS Status Toolbox Build quality for me is perfect and it looks smexy
Any updates mate?
Hi all..wanna change my hd2, too much heat for me, dont have any bad blocks, but i cant manage to get i stable with any kind or rom, or kernel (with normal voltage too). So, i ve sadly decited to change the king with an android native phone.. i love htc sense, and i wanna buy sensation (cant the new one series, too much expensive here in italy), but the battery for me its underpowered.. the atrix tough have a big battery 1930mah.. dont care about photo and video i know that sensation do better photos, but atrix do good photos too.I use the phone for im, fb, sometimes photo, and alot of text..so i ask you guys what phone you Recommend? the battery life wins over the other tings, and the lcd must be in a range of 4.0-4.3
edit: seems that huawey honor its not bad, 1900 mah too
i'll say go for the atrix , i want to buy one too
(if enyone have an atrix for sale pls pm)
why? u have used it? its good? explaine pls xD
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Hi all..wanna change my hd2, too much heat for me, dont have any bad blocks, but i cant manage to get i stable with any kind or rom, or kernel (with normal voltage too). So, i ve sadly decited to change the king with an android native phone.. i love htc sense, and i wanna buy sensation (cant the new one series, too much expensive here in italy), but the battery for me its underpowered.. the atrix tough have a big battery 1930mah.. dont care about photo and video i know that sensation do better photos, but atrix do good photos too.I use the phone for im, fb, sometimes photo, and alot of text..so i ask you guys what phone you Recommend? the battery life wins over the other tings, and the lcd must be in a range of 4.0-4.3
edit: seems that huawey honor its not bad, 1900 mah too
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I'd go for the Sensation, purely because it looks awesome and HTC Sense is quite a nice looking UI. My friend owns one running Android Revolution HD (ICS Sense 4.0) and it's extremely smooth. It's all up to what you need though. If you posted this in a more general forum you would get far more responses
no.. i wanna have advise from yours.. we know merits and defects of the king..only we know who can be the successor of this king ;( so sad.. its the best mobile ever had.. i want it in the first day.. but i had only 300 euro savings.. so opted for the unluky tsunagi tg01.. later for samsung wave 2 (OMG) and i was luky.. i changed w2 with the hd2 for free with a friend.. the king ;( so now nevermind, the underpower battery and the overheating problem mess me up XD think should buy a sensation.. sense its so sexy :Q
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why? u have used it? its good? explaine pls xD
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work and play kit
lapdock
battery
desingh
Well would you even be interested in trying to fix the problems you are having now or do you just want a new phone and be done with it?
What exactly is the problems you are having besides the heat condition? I've only noticed this a couple times and its normally while playing
rich graphic games for over 20-30 mins or so.
I would say that an older ROM that works flawlessly would be RAFDROID HD. A newer ROM that still runs quite nice is the Energy ROM.
I've found no random reboots, over heating issues or crashing/freezing up with these and both have been a great running ROM for me.
hi htc craze tested rafpigna, tested energie, dorimanx, sense 2.0, 2.1, my hd2 freeze up and went hot i any condition..with default voltage its quite better, but phone reach up fast 40+ C. I installed any kind of rom, and any of that have overheating issue...my htc is secondheand for 2009.. dont know if previous propretary overcloked alot this phone and damage the cpu.. but ist usable for text and ims.. but not for calls.. i need for a stable phone.. for now, i w8 for mwakious rom, if this dont work, its time for the hd2 to be the companion of the unlucky tg01, in the desk XD tx alot, i ve appreciate your help
sorry for my bad english, hope you can understand
ps: no, if i can manage to repair my phone, i will stay with it...thinking about to buy a new motherboard if this can help me, and i this dont cost too much XD
Hey guys,
To any of you who updated from Mango to Tango, do you notice any performance improvements?
I don't really need any new Tango features but in case it improves the performance, I'd jump on board.
EgoMaximus said:
Hey guys,
To any of you who updated from Mango to Tango, do you notice any performance improvements?
I don't really need any new Tango features but in case it improves the performance, I'd jump on board.
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not really noticed any difference at all to be honest, given that there is no down side to doing it theres no real reason not too, except for going through the hassle of doing it in the first place, even then, ive developed a fairly quick way of doing it including SMS backup, and re installing it also helps keep the number of crap apps down
Thanks, well, since there is no difference, I don't see point upgrading just for the sake of it
Also, there seems to be some battery issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559404
Hey, guys!
So, I know that internally Milestone2 and DEFY/DEFY+ are the same (chipset, CPU, GPU, camera module) and I'm absolutely okay with that. Latest CM10 builds work incredibly good on the DEFY. So, I know I would be happy with Milestone2 on CM10 experience pretty much the same
But! Other than internals... How good is the Milestone2? How good is the build quality? Are there some common failures that occur? Is the keyboard good? The keyboard sliding mechanism is built to last?
I really love my DEFY+, but I would LOVE to have the actual keyboard. Other than that, i see that M2 has a dedicated camera button, that's a nice touch, too
Please share some experience! And no need for anyone to tell me that it's old/outdated, it's still a good phone and it's definitely good enough for me, so please no recommendations on other phones, just your experiences with the M2! :fingers-crossed:
If you just use CM10 its ok..
Milestone 2 have not too much modding like Defy+ (on roms variation).
And the keyboard for me is fine.. some user sometimes have a debounce problem but its has a "apk" solution
Sorry for my English
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JoseBerga said:
If you just use CM10 its ok..
Milestone 2 have not too much modding like Defy+ (on roms variation).
And the keyboard for me is fine.. some user sometimes have a debounce problem but its has a "apk" solution
Sorry for my English
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CM10 is all I need, yes, and since I see that the builds are pretty much the same as the one for DEFY (how could they not be, it's the same hardware) I know it'll be great
Debounce problem... Please explain more, I have no idea what that means
Thanks for the reply!
*EDIT* Got it! Debounce = double pressing Okay. I guess it doesn't happen on new phones? Cause I'm looking at buying a new one. But since there is a fix available anyway... Not a big issue, I'd say!
niksy+ said:
CM10 is all I need, yes, and since I see that the builds are pretty much the same as the one for DEFY (how could they not be, it's the same hardware) I know it'll be great
Debounce problem... Please explain more, I have no idea what that means
Thanks for the reply!
*EDIT* Got it! Debounce = double pressing Okay. I guess it doesn't happen on new phones? Cause I'm looking at buying a new one. But since there is a fix available anyway... Not a big issue, I'd say!
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there is a fix that SOLVES the problem for sure.
Search for "MS2 Debounce-debug.apk"
I bought MS2 because at that time it was the only smartphone with stand alone GPS and real keyboard (big +).
That means you have GPS and don't have to make data traffic in roaming , can be pretty expensive if you travel around continent.
Dropped a few times on stone floor , wood floor , > survived . The mechanism is bent on one side due to excessive pressure, still works.
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Dropped a few times on stone floor , wood floor , > survived . The mechanism is bent on one side due to excessive pressure, still works.
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So it's bent because of the drops or because of usage (how old is it, if this is the case?) or every M2 is just like that since brand new? If it's like that since it comes out of the factory... Does it disturb the usage anyhow?
Thank you!
Is 2 years old , comes OK from factory , mine is bent because is under my ass sometimes
Does not disturb the usage, but the space between the 2 sides, is not that equal as it was out of the box.
I'm 84kg ,... if this is relevant ))))))
tectonik said:
Is 2 years old , comes OK from factory , mine is bent because is under my ass sometimes
Does not disturb the usage, but the space between the 2 sides, is not that equal as it was out of the box.
I'm 84kg ,... if this is relevant ))))))
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I'm 64kg, so I guess it would sustain my a$$ a bit better (no offense intended, of course!)
It's sounds like it's (the phone ) tough enough for me (not meaning just my a$$)
*EDIT* A question I forgot earlier... How's the battery? I see that it's merely 1400mAh, which is smaller than the standard DEFY one (1540mAh) and I guess I'm kinda used to my + version (1700mAh) :/
The specs say that M2 has got a lot longer stand-by and talk times than the DEFY, though. How is that possible?
mine is 1390mAh , what can I say ,.... I'm charging once in 2/3 days ... sometimes 4 i guess ,.. but u have to replace stock froyo for that.
Sure you can run empty in less than 1 day if 5/6 applications are running on wireless + display + keyboard used for hours.
I don't talk to much, twice a day would be average+ 1 or 2 hours of wireless / day . For the rest of the time wireless and background data are off.
Alarm rings & vibrates every morning for at least 30 min ))) once in 5 minutes, or 10 ?? I will never find out I guess , I'm too sleepy )
Scheduled airplane mode from 2:30 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.
Hope it helps
niksy+ said:
I'm 64kg, so I guess it would sustain my a$$ a bit better (no offense intended, of course!)
It's sounds like it's (the phone ) tough enough for me (not meaning just my a$$)
*EDIT* A question I forgot earlier... How's the battery? I see that it's merely 1400mAh, which is smaller than the standard DEFY one (1540mAh) and I guess I'm kinda used to my + version (1700mAh) :/
The specs say that M2 has got a lot longer stand-by and talk times than the DEFY, though. How is that possible?
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The battery is not great, specially after a few dozens rom flashing around the clock and different tries, but there is a 2400mah battery the same size as the original one you can find around and it's cheap (it was something like 9/10£ with shipping for me, despite me living outside uk) that i'm testing right now.
Battery duration is quite better, and the battery is detected normally for charge capacity, prediction and such.
On top of that people messed around/tried different governors/voltages and got an undervolt setting that gives quite good result and is stable.
Overall the Tezet's CM10 (and sfc3001's CM9 despite a bit lagging behind now due to him being busy IRL) are really good and stable with a low number of bugs/problems that are *mostly* problems present on DEFY/DEFY+ because overall the MS2 CM roms are port of the Defy ones (with some tweaks like hardware acceleration, and so on coming from other Moto phones like the MS1 or the Atrix from memory).
Answer to your question is - No, don't buy it.
ncc74656 said:
Answer to your question is - No, don't buy it.
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Why?
Ashareth, thanks for the reply! :good:
Phones without moving parts are more reliable than phones using flex cables.
Debounce is not a problem here, simply because I don't use hw keyboard. Swype is faster than hw keyboard and since I don't open the m2, will be harder to break the lcd flex - that is essential to use the phone.
Hi
IMHO you get great value for a really cheap price. I paid 200€ without contract on amazon.de
basically because it was one of the very few available with HW keyboard. Non rooted I was very disappointed mainly
due to the low speed and bloatware. But performance and experience with CM10 is great!
Sum : Best HW keyboard phone for that price range
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Why?
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Poor battery, bad performance, no good rom alternatives. I got this phone to replace my old HTC Diamond, now I see that old htc was more reliable than this. MM2 is my first and last Motorola product that I paid for.
I still like the MS2 (hey, it's got a hw keyboard!), but I'm not too enthusiastic about CM10 on it.
I mean, I really appreciate tezet's current work (also sfc3001's CM9 before, and tezet's CM7), I love CM10 per se, but I think it's pushing too far the MS2: even with a 1.2GHz OC processor, smartassV2, SIO scheduler, and less than 30 apps installed it's sometimes almost too laggy for me.
When I open the dialer or the contacts app, I want it to launch (almost) immediately, not after seconds.
It also kills the possibility of a full multi-task operation, constantly having only 50-100MB free ram.
Anyway, if you decide to buy it, and you're not too addicted to CM10's bonuses (as I, sadly, am), I'd suggest to try CM7 by tezet, which IMHO can give you the best of this phone's hw-sw performance combo.
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I still like the MS2 (hey, it's got a hw keyboard!), but I'm not too enthusiastic about CM10 on it.
I mean, I really appreciate tezet's current work (also sfc3001's CM9 before, and tezet's CM7), I love CM10 per se, but I think it's pushing too far the MS2: even with a 1.2GHz OC processor, smartassV2, SIO scheduler, and less than 30 apps installed it's sometimes almost too laggy for me.
When I open the dialer or the contacts app, I want it to launch (almost) immediately, not after seconds.
It also kills the possibility of a full multi-task operation, constantly having only 50-100MB free ram.
Anyway, if you decide to buy it, and you're not too addicted to CM10's bonuses (as I, sadly, am), I'd suggest to try CM7 by tezet, which IMHO can give you the best of this phone's hw-sw performance combo.
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I'm +1 this. Totally agree.
CM10 is great (I'm also too much comfortable with CM10's features :/ ), but it IS slow. It is not that slow, as stock Froyo ROM of course (that was really pain in the... ), but I think CM10 is even slower than stock GB
(but hey! I have to say, that's not tezet's fault of course... JB is just too much for M2 HW probably...)
I would recommend CM7 too or stock GB (or ROMs based on it) if you don't rely on CM10 functions... I will probably go back to one of these too, since I really need (and like) speed and smoothness... CM10 is great, but definitely not fast or smooth - and I don't even mention the slowness, in case you are out of free RAM...
Cm7 in my opinion it's the best rom for our miles2. After the last update, the battery is much better than previous version.
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Honestly, as much as the MS2 is good (great) you should look out for another phone currently, because there is better (more recent) choices out there for roughly the same price.
If you buy it new, it's still prohibitive since most vendors still list it around 300€ new.
If it's used, unless you manage to find one under 100€ it's not worth it (most of them are sold close to 180/200€ from what i've seen).
You're better of going after a Galaxy Nexus/Galaxy SII if you don't need the hw keyboard. If you do need it it's another question since there is not much choices out there, and MS2 is still one of the best.
@ Ashareth: Sorry, but when you are talking about "better (more recent) choices out there for roughly the same price." - do you refer to smartphones in general
or with HW keyboard ?
In my opionion the choice of HW keyboard phones is very, very limited sadly. Not that I am trying to defend here the milestone 2, but I am seeking myself for a potential
alternative. My contract ends soon and I could get cheaply a new phone, but with HW keyboard ? Bummer, there is not much out there, especially outside the US
Another point, I would be interested in would be the speed of CM7. I am running CM10 at the moment but couldnt run CM7 due to 2.36 kernel. Is the speed comparable with the MS2Ginger ? Its the only one I tested so far ....
niksy+ said:
Hey, guys!
So, I know that internally Milestone2 and DEFY/DEFY+ are the same (chipset, CPU, GPU, camera module) and I'm absolutely okay with that. Latest CM10 builds work incredibly good on the DEFY. So, I know I would be happy with Milestone2 on CM10 experience pretty much the same
But! Other than internals... How good is the Milestone2? How good is the build quality? Are there some common failures that occur? Is the keyboard good? The keyboard sliding mechanism is built to last?
I really love my DEFY+, but I would LOVE to have the actual keyboard. Other than that, i see that M2 has a dedicated camera button, that's a nice touch, too
Please share some experience! And no need for anyone to tell me that it's old/outdated, it's still a good phone and it's definitely good enough for me, so please no recommendations on other phones, just your experiences with the M2! :fingers-crossed:
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why do you want to buy a machine two years ago.Even it s just locked with a out-date system.