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DO NOT ACCEPT THE OTA AT THIS TIME WHETHER YOU ARE ROOTED OR NOT IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO ROOT IN THE FUTURE. THE NEW BOOTLOADER IN THE OTA IS LOCKED. Is this a joke HTC?
Damn. Good looking out. Even though I don't plan on it, its good to know.
Already done but I don't root so bleh
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treckin said:
Already done but I don't root so bleh
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But its always nice to have the option.
The main way I see of getting around this in the future is by finding a way to downgrade hboot.
FACK!!
Too late for me..... I trusted HTC and I got stabbed in the back
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I thought they weren't locking the bootloaders anymore?
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DO NOT ACCEPT THE OTA AT THIS TIME WHETHER YOU ARE ROOTED OR NOT IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO ROOT IN THE FUTURE. THE NEW BOOTLOADER IN THE OTA IS LOCKED. Is this a joke HTC?
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When you say locked, do you mean locked in the same way that every other bootloader with the Evo has been? Locked in a way that can be cracked and rooted still?
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Do you mean they cryptographically signed it? (encrypted?)
If it's encrypted, then yes, I agree with you. WTF HTC??
I have seen people say they got into the bootloader to reinstall Amon Ra.....
HTC may have verbally negated their future bootloader policy, but this plus the Sense SDK, their Sense services and stores are just proof that they are out to create a psuedo propriety OS, Android ecosystem be damned.
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When you say locked, do you mean locked in the same way that every other bootloader with the Evo has been? Locked in a way that can be cracked and rooted still?
OR
Do you mean they cryptographically signed it? (encrypted?)
If it's encrypted, then yes, I agree with you. WTF HTC??
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From the looks of it, it looks to be a little more serious, post from Toast's twitter:
toastcfh:
@htc you promised us no more locked bootloaders and the EVO 4G OTA has a LOCKED bootloader? WHY?!
However the one thing we have going for us is that, unlike most instances involving devices with locked bootloaders, we have a number of older hackable bootloaders to fall back on. If hboot can be downgraded then that serves as a possible means of rooting once again.
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I have seen people say they got into the bootloader to reinstall Amon Ra.....
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Only because they took the OTA after they had already used Unrevoked forever. Therefore, S-off remained after the OTA (lucky for those guys who did that..) Since after the OTA they still had S-off (thanks to unrevoked forever), they were able to just reflash Amon Ra. They don't know how lucky there are.
screenshots or it didn't happen.
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screenshots or it didn't happen.
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lulz, there'sa few unlucky souls who reverted to stock then updated, maybe they'd give us a looksie?
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From the looks of it, it looks to be a little more serious, post from Toast's twitter:
toastcfh:
@htc you promised us no more locked bootloaders and the EVO 4G OTA has a LOCKED bootloader? WHY?!
However the one thing we have going for us is that, unlike most instances involving devices with locked bootloaders, we have a number of older hackable bootloaders to fall back on. If hboot can be downgraded then that serves as a possible means of rooting once again.
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Damn, that really sucks. This kind of makes me worried a little bit. This is right after they promised us no locked bootloaders, and here we are with a locked bootloader on the OTA. There really was no reason for them to even 'update' the bootloader, other than to lock it.
HTC better stick to what they said, especially with the Evo 3d
That's why never trust ota like that just be patient plus I believe virus already has this Rom rooted
Customized EVO
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Only because they took the OTA after they had already used Unrevoked forever. Therefore, S-off remained after the OTA (lucky for those guys who did that..) Since after the OTA they still had S-off (thanks to unrevoked forever), they were able to just reflash Amon Ra. They don't know how lucky there are.
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Thats pretty smart. I can flash unrevoked forever in recovery right? And will unrevoked forever s-on undo it? Sorry, newb questions.
I think Samsung just won a customer. I wanted to wait for the Sensation but I'm going for the SGS II. Thanks for the info.
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The htc announcement was about a week ago. This OTA was most likely already in sprints hands when that was said. So, just give it some time i guess.
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Thats pretty smart. I can flash unrevoked forever in recovery right? And will unrevoked forever s-on undo it? Sorry, newb questions.
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Don't do that man. It's not worth even risking it. What if unrevoked forever didn't do it's job, and you ended up with S on, on an unrootable bootloader?
Just go to xHausx's thread and download and flash the rooted version of the rom. Screw taking it OTA, that's for people who don't root their phones (the general public and masses). For us who are rooted, we just download from XDA and flash. I cannot for the life of me understand people's obsession with wanting to take the 'official' OTA and risk breaking root, when you can just safely flash the same exact update, except it's been rooted. I don't get it.
Hey guys I recently bought an atrix off craigslist. It's the bell version and is running GreyBlur and is rooted. How do I tell if the bootloader is unlocked or not? I tried flashing clockwork mod through adb and it kept saying failed to flash, so I became suspicious that the bootloader is locked, ( I previously though that since im running a ROM, the bootloader must be unlocked) Correct me if im wrong, thanks
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Hey guys I recently bought an atrix off craigslist. It's the bell version and is running GreyBlur and is rooted. How do I tell if the bootloader is unlocked or not? I tried flashing clockwork mod through adb and it kept saying failed to flash, so I became suspicious that the bootloader is locked, ( I previously though that since im running a ROM, the bootloader must be unlocked) Correct me if im wrong, thanks
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Only has to be rooted, not unlocked to run a P-ROM which is what you have with GreyBlur. It's not an actual ROM.
oh I see, so most likely the bootloader is locked because it fails when trying to flash clock work mod. Is it safe to unlock the bootloader when running a P-Rom ? I was reading the forums about people bricking their devices by ota updates and SBF files, or do those things only happen once your bootloader is unlocked? Thanks
You got everything mixed up...
Vik_92_Sandhu said:
oh I see, so most likely the bootloader is locked because it fails when trying to flash clock work mod.
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If bootloader is unlocked you should see "Unlocked" at the upper left corner at boot screen (the first one, with dual core logo).
You couldn't flash clockwordmod because it's not officially supported, you should use the ones provided at the dev forum (either for the locked or the unlocked bootloader)
Is it safe to unlock the bootloader when running a P-Rom ? I was reading the forums about people bricking their devices by ota updates and SBF files, or do those things only happen once your bootloader is unlocked? Thanks
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P-ROMs has nothing to do with unlocking. P-ROM is just a heavily modified version of an official motoblur ROM.
About the bricking... well, there is always a chance of bricking if you don't know what you are doing and don't read instructions carefully till you understand everything. But if you follow everything as stated, most likely you won't brick.
Cheers
U should get on google+ we chat this up often
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I wish I had google plus, never got an invite, thanks for the info man , its very much appreciated, I used to have the captivate and thought it would be the same, but I was wrong. Those clarifications really help, thanks.
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edit: wait is tenfars CWM not supported?
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U should get on google+ we chat this up often
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What's your name on it?
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ok guys
1) I unlocked my bootloader
2) Flashed Clockwork Mod
3) Placed this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169409 on my sd card
4) tried to install zip using clockwork but it kept saying installation aborted
After that didnt work I tried using adb and moto-fastboot to flash the rom, it worked but now my phone is in boot loop. I tried deleting user data and tried reflashing the rom but still in bootloop. What is the next step I should do, I know i'm one wrong step away from a brick so I really want to be carefull.
Should I try flashing a different rom using moto fastboot? thanks
Phone has S-ON and 2.18.001. I just need the wifi tether app, so what exact steps should I take to get me only that app? Thanks.
You need root, please search.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473373
Thanks. The problem I was having was did I only need S-Off or root or both. Also I didn't know about if I needed the watermark thing. So I needed info to allow me to get that wifi app and not any extra steps. Let me see what I can do.
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Thanks. The problem I was having was did I only need S-Off or root or both. Also I didn't know about if I needed the watermark thing. So I needed info to allow me to get that wifi app and not any extra steps. Let me see what I can do.
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The easiest way to get Hotspot working is to actually pay for it . . . that being said:
You just need to unlock the bootloader using the HTCDev.com method, and install a custom recovery. You can then flash superuser, which will provide root access on your current ROM.
With the unlocked bootloader, you don't need to be S-OFF to get root.
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With the unlocked bootloader, you don't need to be S-OFF to get root.
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OK captain, I gotta ask. If you unlock bootloader, doesn't that create S-off state? I'm kinda confused by that bit of quote. I know you know more about this than probably anybody, so I'm just curious.
(I haven't messed with any of the new stuff, I still have .76 eng bootloader from 17mo ago, ...I'm only asking out of curiosity and trying to keep up)
Thanks
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After a few hours and help from here it is done. Thank you all.
scottspa74 said:
OK captain, I gotta ask. If you unlock bootloader, doesn't that create S-off state? I'm kinda confused by that bit of quote. I know you know more about this than probably anybody, so I'm just curious.
(I haven't messed with any of the new stuff, I still have .76 eng bootloader from 17mo ago, ...I'm only asking out of curiosity and trying to keep up)
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Nope. Not with the HTCDev.com unlocking process. It'll show "UNLOCKED" at the top of HBOOT, but it will also still say "S-ON". And you can still have a custom recovery, and flash ROMs.
Hi all,
I pre ordered my 16gb nexus 7 last week.
And I am thinking I will root it as soon as it arrives, but I have the following worries/questions:
If I root and unlock the bootloader, will I still get ota updates?
If I root and unlock the bootloader, is it possible to re-root it and re-lock the bootloader for warranty purposes?
Is the a large chance of bricking it by rooting it? Or is it quite safe now?
Is the any real reason why I shouldn't root it?
Sorry for all these questions, but I am currently using a rooted galaxy s2, and that comes with the bootloader pre-unlocked, so I am not familiar with locked bootloader lol
Thanks in advance for any help
Cheers corey
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Ps,
I also noticed that the are a few methods of rooting the n7, does anyone know which method that installs Cwm permanently is best?
Cheers
Corey
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Yes you will be still able to get OTA updates, though you may will lose root after an OTA. It's only when you begin flashing alternate recoveries, kernels, ROMs etc. will you lose the ability to receive OTAs.
I'm not sure what you mean by re-root again (maybe you mean unroot??). But from the Nexus trend, you will be able to relock the bootloader after unlocking it (though I don't see a point unless you're about to return it). Regarding the unroot thing, all you have to do is just reflash the stock ROM or just remove the su binary and the su management application (SuperSU or Superuser).
It's relatively safe to say that you can root it without bricking your tablet. These days, it's pretty hard to actually brick your device unless you do something absolutely moronic i.e. flash the wrong bootloader.
Well, to answer your question, do you need root? If you don't need it nor do you understand what its purpose is, don't. Some uses include being able to access /system/ to maybe delete bloatware (there shouldn't be any on a Nexus device), some apps may get further functionality e.g. some apps might intentionally auto-turn on your GPS when you've lost your phone etc.
Clockwork recovery is totally separate to root. A recovery is used to flash things e.g. root, ROMs, kernels etc. When CWR is released for the Nexus 7, all you have to do is run "fastboot flash recovery <name of recovery>.img" (well that's what I'd run since I'm using Linux).
Hi,
Yes I did mean unroot lol, I was typing it from my phone lol.
Ok thanks heaps, I will root it as soon as it arrives lol.
And yes I know all about root, I have a galaxy s2 which has been rooted a year, and I spend most of my day flashing mods and roms lol. I just wasn't familiar with locked bootloader.
But you said that if I flash recoveries I won't receive ota updates, so if I flash Cwm recovery, will I not receive ota updates?
Thanks heaps for all your help
Cheers
Corey
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fishingfon said:
Hi,
Yes I did mean unroot lol, I was typing it from my phone lol.
Ok thanks heaps, I will root it as soon as it arrives lol.
And yes I know all about root, I have a galaxy s2 which has been rooted a year, and I spend most of my day flashing mods and roms lol. I just wasn't familiar with locked bootloader.
But you said that if I flash recoveries I won't receive ota updates, so if I flash Cwm recovery, will I not receive ota updates?
Thanks heaps for all your help
Cheers
Corey
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Ahh righteo, a locked bootloader just means you can't flash anything. And yes, you are correct, if you flash any recovery that isn't stock and matches with the build of Android, you will lose the ability to receive OTAs.
No worries .
Can it be rooted from a Mac book?? (My bros not mine lol) I always root my devices ..never had a tablet nor a nexus so just wondering..if I can I'll figure the rest
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armyboy11b said:
Can it be rooted from a Mac book?? (My bros not mine lol) I always root my devices ..never had a tablet nor a nexus so just wondering..if I can I'll figure the rest
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Yep, it can be rooted on all the main OS's.
However I'm still hesitant. Has anyone noticed a boost in battery or performance after removing the VZW crap ware? This phone seems to have the best stock ui experience next to the nexus phones, and I'm really not looking to ruin that. Any pointers on what is best practice?
I understand unlocking to bootloader, and have been there before with the droid eris and inc 2, but with a poly fuse I'm just not ready to break in yet.
I guess I just need some good convincing.
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I noticed that after I removed the moto service that it had less wake lock time. But I'm running Carbon now so I can't quite remember the amount of benefits.
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8on3s said:
However I'm still hesitant. Has anyone noticed a boost in battery or performance after removing the VZW crap ware? This phone seems to have the best stock ui experience next to the nexus phones, and I'm really not looking to ruin that. Any pointers on what is best practice?
I understand unlocking to bootloader, and have been there before with the droid eris and inc 2, but with a poly fuse I'm just not ready to break in yet.
I guess I just need some good convincing.
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not really sure how much battery life you are looking for, as the device gets 1 day+ stock, and still gets that rooted/debloated. performance does increase though when debloating.
one last benefit is that rooted folks are now on JB 4.2.2 (fully working too!) - not sure when that will be pushed by the carriers.
otherwise, the customization is the key.
I rooted my M long before I decided to put pacman rom on. I didn't really notice any difference in battery life. Biggest reason for me was so that I could use titanium backup to backup my apps. If you do decide to remove the bloat, make sure you do a nandroid backup for when the official upgrade comes out.
Nice, yeah just a little snappier... less bloat. That's all I'm looking for, stock this thing is great. The tool available in the forums, would that enable me to restore my firmware to stock w/o needing to be unlocked?
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8on3s said:
Nice, yeah just a little snappier... less bloat. That's all I'm looking for, stock this thing is great. The tool available in the forums, would that enable me to restore my firmware to stock w/o needing to be unlocked?
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there are some TWRP flashable ROMs that take you back to stock.
Rooting alone will not allow you to get to 4.2.2. That's a benefit of unlocking the bootloader.
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Rooting alone will not allow you to get to 4.2.2. That's a benefit of unlocking the bootloader.
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yeah not worried about the 4.2.2 just making sure the tool will root/allow me to revert to stock if need be, and not trip the fuse, that's only on the boot loader correct?
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8on3s said:
yeah not worried about the 4.2.2 just making sure the tool will root/allow me to revert to stock if need be, and not trip the fuse, that's only on the boot loader correct?
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just use safe strap so u dont have to unlock your bootloader and dont touch the stock slot, then u can just uninstall safe strap and un root when u want to return to stock.
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just use safe strap so u dont have to unlock your bootloader and dont touch the stock slot, then u can just uninstall safe strap and un root when u want to return to stock.
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yeah but you won't get any up to date ROMs using safe strap as its been all but abandoned now that the bootloader has been unlocked. I rooted and stayed stock for the longest (until the bootloader unlock exploit) and was perfectly happy. All I wanted was to use root apps anyway but now that the bootloader is unlocked I have a proper nand back up of the stock rom and can flash and try at will. the space requirements for safe strap killed the appeal of that for me, especially with the inability to move apps to sd.
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yeah but you won't get any up to date ROMs using safe strap as its been all but abandoned now that the bootloader has been unlocked. I rooted and stayed stock for the longest (until the bootloader unlock exploit) and was perfectly happy. All I wanted was to use root apps anyway but now that the bootloader is unlocked I have a proper nand back up of the stock rom and can flash and try at will. the space requirements for safe strap killed the appeal of that for me, especially with the inability to move apps to sd.
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oh i know this, but if you read the thread you would see he does not want to unlock his bootloader.
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oh i know this, but if you read the thread you would see he does not want to unlock his bootloader.
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Lol no problem, I'm sure as the year passes I will consider unlocking. This phone is such a solid upgrade from what I have had in the past, I'm not too concerned about it. The root was simple, and freezing the useless apps was good enough for my current needs. Thanks for the information though.
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8on3s said:
Lol no problem, I'm sure as the year passes I will consider unlocking. This phone is such a solid upgrade from what I have had in the past, I'm not too concerned about it. The root was simple, and freezing the useless apps was good enough for my current needs. Thanks for the information though.
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I used fast boot to patch the boot logo to get rid of the nag screen. There's a post in the Dev section that runs through the steps.
That way, most customer reps can't tell the difference if you have a warranty issue.
Of course, iirc, you can run an RSD flash to return to a locked bootloader, too, should you need to take care of a warranty issue, too.
If I'm wrong on that, feel free to correct me, everyone
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I used fast boot to patch the boot logo to get rid of the nag screen. There's a post in the Dev section that runs through the steps.
That way, most customer reps can't tell the difference if you have a warranty issue.
Of course, iirc, you can run an RSD flash to return to a locked bootloader, too, should you need to take care of a warranty issue, too.
If I'm wrong on that, feel free to correct me, everyone
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I understood the unlocking was done by "breaking" a Polly fuse that cannot be re-written, perhaps one could trick the boot loader.
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I understood the unlocking was done by "breaking" a Polly fuse that cannot be re-written, perhaps one could trick the boot loader.
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Oh ****. They're QFuses, so unlocking is permanent. You're right.
Anyway, RSD will rewrite the recovery partition back to stock, so only people who know of the fast boot screen can find out. If they even remember to check it.
That means that people who get my devices once they've been refurbished (my phones like to overheat, no matter what model) have the bootloader unlocked already. Sweet.
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