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sorry for this question but i've just got this amazing phone but i've put some apps on the sd card and can't find the sd card on the phone ? even googled this but to no avail ! please help a newbie , thanks !
you mean the physical location of the SD Card? Its under the back cover. You need to remove the battery to get it out.
Also, apps are not stored on the SD card, but rather on the internal memory of the phone.
A couple of things. First you need to set up the phone for non market applications. This is done thru Menu>>settings>>applications and check the box that says Unknown Sources.
Next, if you use Astro or some other file manager, you can go to /sdcard and whatever folder you keep your apps in.
I use EOEAppsinstaller to do this. It searches the whole SD card to find any APK files. Works great.
QMAN101 said:
A couple of things. First you need to set up the phone for non market applications. This is done thru Menu>>settings>>applications and check the box that says Unknown Sources.
Next, if you use Astro or some other file manager, you can go to /sdcard and whatever folder you keep your apps in.
I use EOEAppsinstaller to do this. It searches the whole SD card to find any APK files. Works great.
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thanks i'll try that !
It wasn't the physical finding of the card its how to access it to install apk files and a movie I installed !
does this means i can put applications on sd card without rooting my n1
audino said:
does this means i can put applications on sd card without rooting my n1
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Yes and no. You can put apk's that you find on the net so you can put them on the SD card so you can install them but as for installing them so they run off the SD card that won't happen until you root the phone.
marra2 said:
thanks i'll try that !
It wasn't the physical finding of the card its how to access it to install apk files and a movie I installed !
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+1 for Astro File Manager! It also has a built in apk installer AND task killer. I love multitasking apps.
your movie should appear in the Gallery
twiggy114 said:
Yes and no. You can put apk's that you find on the net so you can put them on the SD card so you can install them but as for installing them so they run off the SD card that won't happen until you root the phone.
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ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought
audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
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another yes and no. Due to a bug both RAM AND ROM are limited to ~230MB ...all are waiting for the next update.
Took me 10 mins to type this in landscape mode due to keyboard bugs!
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audino said:
ah oke im able to instal apps from sd card... i only have 162 free phone memory is this ok? i thought it comes with 512 memory and 512 ram?
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The 512MB Flash ROM is shared between the OS and your installed apps. The amount left over for your installed apps after the system reserves space for the OS, scratch, recovery, and update partitions is around 190MB or so. Google mentioned that they are working on allowing us to store installed apps on the SD card so the size of this partition should not matter eventually.
The 512MB RAM is not used for storing the apps, it is used for running them and is a different set of memory. In 2.1 there is a kernel limitation that prevents them from using all 512MB just yet, but the next version of the Android Linux kernel will remove that restriction and we should see another 100 to 150 MB of memory available for use. That improvement won't have any impact on how many apps you can install, just on how many apps you can run at the same time and how much work they can do before they elbow other apps out of the way.
flarbear said:
The 512MB Flash ROM is shared between the OS and your installed apps. The amount left over for your installed apps after the system reserves space for the OS, scratch, recovery, and update partitions is around 190MB or so. Google mentioned that they are working on allowing us to store installed apps on the SD card so the size of this partition should not matter eventually.
The 512MB RAM is not used for storing the apps, it is used for running them and is a different set of memory. In 2.1 there is a kernel limitation that prevents them from using all 512MB just yet, but the next version of the Android Linux kernel will remove that restriction and we should see another 100 to 150 MB of memory available for use. That improvement won't have any impact on how many apps you can install, just on how many apps you can run at the same time and how much work they can do before they elbow other apps out of the way.
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Sound cool if they really let us install on sd would be very nice and for me no more reasons to root my n1
audino said:
Sound cool if they really let us install on sd would be very nice and for me no more reasons to root my n1
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Even more importantly - there would be no more disincentive for developers to start creating more interesting media-rich applications.
As it stands now, if you put a 10MB app on the market very few are going to be willing to waste that much space on their phone to download it. So, you wouldn't make much money on it. So, you are likely not going to bother developing it.
With relaxed storage restrictions will come nicer (looking, at least) apps...
I'm currently running cyanogenmod 5.0.8, and my 8GB A-Data class 6 SD card should be here soon.
I downloaded a program called swapper 2 and it seems to be working. When I get the new SD card should I stick with this program or do the partition method? Does anyone have experience with this program compaired to the other methods?
I also have Comp cache enabled too. Any thoughts on if I should use both or one?
For App2SD I noticed in the settings you can enable it there but its grayed out. I imagine once I put the new SD card in there it will partition the space for it then?
Thanks for the help. If you have any links to some good info that would be great too.
I think the general consensus is that utilizing a swap partition is much more efficient than creating a swap file on fat32, which figures. Just out of curiosity, does your homescreen reload?
EDIT: Just noticed your A2SD question, it's greyed out because you need to add an ext2/3/4 partition. That's for unofficial Apps2SD which is a hack-job, Google has implimented an official A2SD method in FroYo, however the developer has to specify whether you can Apps2SD-ify their app (I assume because their method moves the apk to the sdcard which can be shared with others, increasing the chance of piracy).
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I think the general consensus is that utilizing a swap partition is much more efficient than creating a swap file on fat32, which figures. Just out of curiosity, does your homescreen reload?
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Not sure what you mean by 'does your homescreen reload'. It usually does reappear when I exit an app, but sometimes all the icons/widgets are gone and I have to restart to get them back. Although this happened before I used swapper 2 aswell. doesnt happen very offten.
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EDIT: Just noticed your A2SD question, it's greyed out because you need to add an ext2/3/4 partition. That's for unofficial Apps2SD which is a hack-job, Google has implimented an official A2SD method in FroYo, however the developer has to specify whether you can Apps2SD-ify their app (I assume because their method moves the apk to the sdcard which can be shared with others, increasing the chance of piracy).
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Good to know that not every app can be put on the sd card. I didn't know that. When I get the new SD card and format a ~512mb ext4 partition; will it automatically move the apps to the sd card, will I have to reinstall the apps to move them, or is that grayed out option (app2sd in settings) allow me to choose (rather attempt, if the program allows for it) which apps to put to the sd card?
Thanks!
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Not sure what you mean by 'does your homescreen reload'. It usually does reappear when I exit an app, but sometimes all the icons/widgets are gone and I have to restart to get them back. Although this happened before I used swapper 2 aswell. doesnt happen very offten.
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Yeah I mean when it has to redraw everything when it gets kicked out of memory. It used to happen every time I excited an app on CM5 and CM6 (nightly build), but now that I've added a 32mb swap file with swapper2 (it doesn't like my partition :'( ) they've all disappeared.
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Good to know that not every app can be put on the sd card. I didn't know that. When I get the new SD card and format a ~512mb ext4 partition; will it automatically move the apps to the sd card, will I have to reinstall the apps to move them, or is that grayed out option (app2sd in settings) allow me to choose (rather attempt, if the program allows for it) which apps to put to the sd card?
Thanks!
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The ext/hackjob method will let you keep any apps on SD
I'm not sure if it will move them for you, but you can physically move the files yourself. It's just a couple of commands in the terminal in a reboot (wont get in to it now, it's 3AM and I'm tired, so I'll probably get it wrong ).
I would like to say that I've always used a partition. In the case that swap kills my SDCard, I would like it to be a certain fraction of the SDCard that dies, not a block here and a block there. I think that's more ocd, though.
OK..I've done everything, installed DFT Android ROM for HTC LEO etc...everything seems to be working fine, BUT..((
Most of the apps from Market or any other cannot be moved from Phone memory to SD card, thus consuming all phone memory very fast, and disabling me to install any more apps...and we all know that Android rules just because there are so many apps for it...
So, my question is: is there any possible way of making Android install apps to SD card, rather then phone memory? 'Cause this way, my 16Gig card isn't much of use on Android )
Please help, because there is no point in having Android on this device, if I can install only so many apps on phone memory...
Very thankful in advance....
Greeting from remote Bosnia ))
Which Rom are you using?
I am using Hyperdroid and it allows me to move apps to SD.
And they are working fine.
I'm using Desire ROM...from DFT 2.2 Froyo..
And this one also allows moving apps, but just some, not all.....
Could anyone be as kind as to point me to a ROM with Sense that allows moving all apps to SD card?
ddcww said:
I'm using Desire ROM...from DFT 2.2 Froyo..
And this one also allows moving apps, but just some, not all.....
Could anyone be as kind as to point me to a ROM with Sense that allows moving all apps to SD card?
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The best method would be to create an ext partition for your phone. ALL the apps that would normally installed on the phone will be moved onto this partition on your SDcard, saving you space. However, the trade off is speed. It will be slightly slower, but I don't think you'll even notice the speed difference day-to-day.
You can follow my guide here on how to make an ext partition without losing your data on your SDcard. It should only take like 5min to do. [HOW-TO] Make Ext4 from Recovery Without Losing FAT32 Data
well, there are some apps on the market that allows u to move all the installed apps in the internal memory to the storage card.
Try App 2SD Enabler. When you run the app, be sure to read the instructions.
If that doesnt work, Titanium Backup has a function in it that allows you to move any installed app u want from internal to storage memory (when u open the app, press Menu and then Batch. There should be an option somewhere there)
edit: keep in mind that some apps such as widgets, have to be on the internal memory to work properly. The Ext4 method is good if u want to increase the internal memory (by sacrifasing some storage memory), but you won't be able to connect your phone to the pc via Mass Storage. Plus, if it's the method with the 3 partitions(tbh i don't know if it's just for the 3partition method or any partition number), some of the storage card will be used from the OS as well, making the removal of the SD card impossible.
I would recommend App 2 SD. I use it to move all the apps it can to the SD card and it really does free up a lot of space.
Does Titanium Backup allow all apps to be moved too SD card? Just curious because Apps2SD doesnt move all apps to the SD card just some of them from my experience..
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The original DFT Desire ROM wasnt rooted correctly so use Z4Root from market then try using apps like Titanium and App2SD etc etc.
As an alternative, if you like sense but without all the bloat and lag try the rom in my signature, its a stripped down version oh DesireHD it flies like **** of stick and has all the best bits of sense
Try a different ROM
The DFT rom was also my first, but the internal memory filled up in no time and made it unusable for me.
In my experience, if you move an app to the SD card, some residual data goes onto the internal memory so you will find that you still use it up. As mentioned above, you will need to put certain apps and all widgets on the internal memory anyway.
I would go for a 'clean' rom that gives you plenty of free memory. You should then have no problem with it filling up. Titanium backup (free from market) is a good app, although Apps2SD (also free) is good as it lets you know how much space you have left.
I settled on the prj rom in my signature as it gives 180Mb free space from install and everything works as it is based on the DFT rom with minimal tweaks. There are plenty of clean roms out there, so try some out.
The best solution really for EU HD2's (512MB) is to use a rom that supports Data2SD as that actually extends your internal memory to the partition on SD card so you have say 1GB of internal memory, this is much better then any other current methods as its much more compatible with apps.
Also, dont mess about with Gpartid or other partition apps, You can use CWR to do it, just partition 1GB and then choose 0 for swap. (unless told otherwise by dev).
Thanks everyone, really...
I did this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931126
Partitioned the card during setup and now I have 1Gig, which is OK..also the ROM is really stable and fast.... Try this, I'm quite happy, it works great and it is an upgraded version of DFT Desire ROM... Cheers!!!
help me
My phone getting slower when i install the applications. the phone memory always decreased when I install every new apps eventhough I install it in my ext memory. What should I do? Can you help me?
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What ROM are you using? And, do u use Apps2SD?
define memory
are you talking about storage memory , or ram?
reduction in storage shouldn't impact on performance, that is unless space is very tight and Android is constantly clearing caches.
What types of apps are you installing?
widgets and and service apps like news/weather, gmail , facebook , twitter etc etc will consume memory while they sync data. If you have several such apps the relatively constant syncing would impinge on overall performance.
if you do have many service apps first try increasing the time between syncs in its settings if you are still suffering then consider un-installing some of them.
re-reading your post I'm going to assume you are installing apps to external sdcard , and not an sd-ext partition.
this will still reduce the internal storage as only the apk is stored on the external sdcard the dex files ( aka dalvik-cache ) are installed on the internal storage.
but it is still unlikely a direct relationship between free space on internal and performance.
the apps on sdcard are stored in encrypted containers this might be causing the overhead, but in all honesty I have never actual used the external sdcard for apps so I can't say what the overhead is or even if it enough to be relevant, but many swear apps to sd-ext is better than sdcard so there may well be something in that theory..
I agree with Effdee. But more info would be beneficial for assistance. As previously asked, what ROM are you using? Is your SD partitioned? So on & so forth....
I don't know if this information will help or not
Mod version: CyanogenMod-6.10-DS
Kernel version : 2.6.35.9-cyanogenmod
DREAM PVT 32B ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA10000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
Apr 20 2009,15:30:43
I alredy partitioning my sd card when I root it
How to install app2sd-ext?
Sorry if my english bad
I really appreciate all of you for helping me
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How many apps did you installed? And how much internal storage you have left?
Also, how did you partitioned your SD Card? (IE: Cache, EXT, and FAT32)
Also, go to Setting > Applications > Manage Applications
Look at the the SD card tap to see how many apps the you downloaded are in that area. If none of them is there, that means that you install them in the internal storage. You can move some of them to SD card depending on the apps by going to the Downloaded tap and open each one up and click in "Move to SD Card".
You might think about updating to ezterry's new radio/spl for 14 extra MB of ram. That could help quite a bit. Also play around with CC settings maybe?
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johnson8cyl said:
You might think about updating to ezterry's new radio/spl for 14 extra MB of ram. That could help quite a bit.
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agreed, instructions here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831139
johnson8cyl said:
Also play around with CC settings maybe?
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Make sure it is off, I tried cm7 and it was on by default, it seemed faster for a short time then became very slow
this idea of putting swap on a compressed ramdisk is crazy, and it just doesn't work
I'm very surprised it wasn't dropped a long time ago
as for a2sdext
the easiest is to use ra recovery ( partition sdcard )
and then a script like firerat aio ( the a2sd option )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679572
even easier is
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/9731-magpie-2010-12-18-hotfix-002/
because it will automatically install the correct kernel ( if you do or don't install ezterry's 2708 radio/spl ) and has ui for a2sdext
Most difficult bit is partitioning the sdcard,
Effdee said:
Make sure it is off, I tried cm7 and it was on by default, it seemed faster for a short time then became very slow
this idea of putting swap on a compressed ramdisk is crazy, and it just doesn't work
I'm very surprised it wasn't dropped a long time ago
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well, ... I do not agree fully. In certain situations, especially when there are many services running in background, it can help, *but* swappiness is to be set very low. So only almost unused parts od the memory are swapped out to compcache and can remain there ...
Also see shadowch31 for a CC script and see if that helps. Stops,cleans and restarts CC I believe. Just throwing out ideas. Every phone works different. Just play
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AndDiSa said:
well, ... I do not agree fully. In certain situations, especially when there are many services running in background, it can help, *but* swappiness is to be set very low. So only almost unused parts od the memory are swapped out to compcache and can remain there ...
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what is the point of using physical memory to store unusable pages of memory to only use cpu grunt to get it back into memory
Effdee said:
what is the point of using physical memory to store unusable pages of memory to only use cpu grunt to get it back into memory
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As far as I know, single pages of a process will be swapped out, not the complete processes. So if a process has for example a lot of static data, which is not used during processing an activity, so this part can be swapped out to compcache. This will be compressed, so the phone has more memory available to start / hold in memory another process ... Especially when fast switching between processes is needed (launching sms-app when receiving a sms?) this *can* be an advantage.
Without compcache this process probably is to be re-launched, which most likely takes more time than switching tasks in memory.
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As far as I know, single pages of a process will be swapped out, not the complete processes. So if a process has for example a lot of static data, which is not used during processing an activity, so this part can be swapped out to compcache. This will be compressed, so the phone has more memory available to start / hold in memory another process ... Especially when fast switching between processes is needed (launching sms-app when receiving a sms?) this *can* be an advantage.
Without compcache this process probably is to be re-launched, which most likely takes more time than switching tasks in memory.
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swap is not very smart about what pages are swapped
end of the day swap was a fudge for linux's poor memory management
and as I said
with the cyanogen rom cc was on, I turned it off and things were much better
you can try and convince me otherwise, but seeing as I have already compared cc on and cc off and find cc off to be much better I doubt you will change my mind
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How many apps did you installed? And how much internal storage you have left?
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i installed 27 apps and i only have 15.14MB left
BeenAndroidized said:
Also, how did you partitioned your SD Card? (IE: Cache, EXT, and FAT32)
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i don't know what method i use for partitioning my SD Card, but i do it using this method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=727688
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Also, go to Setting > Applications > Manage Applications
Look at the the SD card tap to see how many apps the you downloaded are in that area. If none of them is there, that means that you install them in the internal storage. You can move some of them to SD card depending on the apps by going to the Downloaded tap and open each one up and click in "Move to SD Card".
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i already do that too. but it dosn't make sense, my SD Card keep decreased when i installed new app
Effdee said:
agreed, instructions here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831139
Make sure it is off, I tried cm7 and it was on by default, it seemed faster for a short time then became very slow
this idea of putting swap on a compressed ramdisk is crazy, and it just doesn't work
I'm very surprised it wasn't dropped a long time ago
as for a2sdext
the easiest is to use ra recovery ( partition sdcard )
and then a script like firerat aio ( the a2sd option )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679572
even easier is
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/9731-magpie-2010-12-18-hotfix-002/
because it will automatically install the correct kernel ( if you do or don't install ezterry's 2708 radio/spl ) and has ui for a2sdext
Most difficult bit is partitioning the sdcard,
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so do i have to reinstall my ROM or i just have to install only a2sdext?
i'm sorry if i ask too much. I'm just a newbie and sorry if my english bad
dhyqa said:
so do i have to reinstall my ROM or i just have to install only a2sdext?
i'm sorry if i ask too much. I'm just a newbie and sorry if my english bad
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once you have partitioned your sdcard, after backing up because you will loose everything on sdcard
then run the firerat script
no need to reinstall rom
unless you want the ui for moving apps, this is easier then using the shell script in Firerat
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once you have partitioned your sdcard, after backing up because you will loose everything on sdcard
then run the firerat script
no need to reinstall rom
unless you want the ui for moving apps, this is easier then using the shell script in Firerat
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hhmm.so i have to partitioning my SD Card again right?
to run the firerat script i have to go to fast boot?
dhyqa said:
hhmm.so i have to partitioning my SD Card again right?
to run the firerat script i have to go to fast boot?
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yes afraid you need to repartition sdcard for sdext
many ways to do it but the easiest is with ra recovery
like I said you need to backup stuff on your sdcard first
and you run the firerat script in the rom using terminal
okay
i think to reinstall the new Rom that you gave me is the easier one method than the other one that you've explained to me. and i already try it and it work very well
thanks for everyone who help me find the solution
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okay
i think to reinstall the new Rom that you gave me is the easier one method than the other one that you've explained to me. and i already try it and it work very well
thanks for everyone who help me find the solution
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it would be very interesting to know if you get better performance with the same apps that were on sdcard now on the sd-ext.
I've not got round to doing my own tests on that yet
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it would be very interesting to know if you get better performance with the same apps that were on sdcard now on the sd-ext.
I've not got round to doing my own tests on that yet
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yes. Now I don't have to waiting to long again to open or to close the app. Because now I have a spacious memory. And I think maybe I'll try to use the radio that you tell me to increase the memory
But not every app can be placed in sd-ext like adobe reader and aldiko book, it still decreased the internal memory
But I think it's better than before
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I am tired of using link2sd, and low memory of x8.
Is it possible to make effective swap file for x8?
That will give ability to install everything in ram, and then it will be moved to swap, so no linksd is needed.
Also all software which need more than 90 mb of free memory can get that memory becouse system lib will be moved to swap file.
As i know guys from Cyagen made even support for it, but it should be activated.
Is any rom builder can add swap support to their roms?
1. Supposed be in general section
2. We have native app2sd or you can go to cyanogenmod settings then go to applications then select install to external memory.
Hope i help
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gluhov said:
I am tired of using link2sd, and low memory of x8.
Is it possible to make effective swap file for x8?
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Not unless the bootloader is cracked.
gluhov said:
That will give ability to install everything in ram, and then it will be moved to swap, so no linksd is needed.
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The swap file does not work that way. Swap is used to augment the RAM. The X8 has:
1. RAM space - memory to run programs in. ~176MB
2. ROM space - Internal Storage - ~212 MB
3. External Storage - Your SD Card.
gluhov said:
Also all software which need more than 90 mb of free memory can get that memory becouse system lib will be moved to swap file.
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You can, theoretically, use up your entire RAM to run an app. The Android System, has a "smart (???, others might disagree )" way fo handling tasks in which it "caches" background apps until they are called again. Although this is also periodically cleared. But some apps are required to stay in RAM, these are responisible for keeping your phone working.
Google "Android VM manager " and the "Android Memory Manager" if you want to learn more.
In short, having a larger RAM or using a swap file will just "imrpove" multitasking performance. notice that i put the word "improve" in qoutes.
Honestly, I've tried on Froyobread v015, and it lagged the whole rom down like sh!t >.<. After removing it was I able to have a decent fps. You can try it for yourself by using swapper on the android market or CWM recovery .
spyder12345 said:
Honestly, I've tried on Froyobread v015, and it lagged the whole rom down like sh!t >.<. After removing it was I able to have a decent fps. You can try it for yourself by using swapper on the android market or CWM recovery .
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Did you verify it was working. Open up the terminal app and type in "free" without th quotes. It would show you the disposition of your RAM. if swap is zero then its not working.
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gluhov said:
that will give ability to install everything in ram
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wtf am i reading?
wujekandrzej said:
wtf am i reading?
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