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So who's working on the tether app?

We all need it. Which one of you geniuses are going to write the tether app?

If we can ssh in we could just set up a proxy thru putty/SSH. Simple solution for now but an "internet Sharing" app would be nice. I am not much of a programmer but I love to play with Linux and I am hoping that I can make some c apps work.... like mplayer

Yes! most def!
If I can't tether, i'm buying a crappy sony phone from Tmobile for 3G / modem for my laptop. (if it'll work)

ok.... so does anyone have any ideas? The Wireless API doesn't seem to have support for AP mode so would we have to put our laptops into AP mode or carry a router with us everywhere? If it can be put into AP mode then we need to find out if the kernel will have iptables support. Can we run shell scripts in the Java? I can't find anything on the USB port and the Bluetooth API was removed from the SDK. I would love to see this work but without a connection to the PC I don't see how. Once we get a PC connection it should be fairly easy to make this work.

aad4321 said:
Im kind of afraid of this opensouce thing. I hope people dont take advantage of it and charge people a rediculous amount of money to use a simple app they have made. (like the iphone). This is ony of the reasons why i like windows mobile so much is because of all of the free apps available
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The reason winmo has so many apps available is because it's been around for a long time. Just having a lot of stuff doesn't mean it has a lot of *good* stuff. Having 1000 notepad applications that don't do what you like isn't really a good situation.
Android is relatively new. But the ease with which someone can become a developer for the platform is definitely a plus for future software coming very quickly. An Android developer can readily download all the equipment necessary to make an Android app for free in a few minutes. If he or she already knows java, it's that much easier.
I imagine that marketplace will be just like it is for other platforms. Many developers who are already open-source-oriented will definitely release their applications for free. Many others will charge just a small amount because they know they can't make a return on exorbitant fees. Also, despite the bad press they've gotten, Google's philosophy is still "do no evil." I don't think they'd let a dev gouge the community. All these factors make the Android philosophy automatically better than the Apple model.

hiimcliff said:
We all need it. Which one of you geniuses are going to write the tether app?
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Hah, considering T-Mobile will limit your speeds as low as 50kbps if you use too much bandwidth, I don't think tethering is a great idea. You'll make it like 10 days with 3G speeds and then have dial-up speeds from then on.

they removed the 1gb cap and are doing it based off of usage. I use tethering on my Mogul with sprint and barely use 3gb in a month, with downloading stuff plus WoW and browsing alot. But it's not a tethering app for the G1 remember. Yes initially, but it will be used as an app for any android phone. So the need for a tethering app is there still.

there's a rumor T-Mobile plans to set a limit at 10GB
it's good enough for 99.999%, even you do tethering

tether or AP?
I would much rather have an AP app then say a USB or BT tether imo. I have heard that there is a debug CLI on the USB port but I think that it tied into the walled garden well above the linux shell level, but its a start. I should have got into this thing in 07 but honestly I never thought it would see the light of day...

mingkee said:
there's a rumor T-Mobile plans to set a limit at 10GB
it's good enough for 99.999%, even you do tethering
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On certain plans you will have a 10gig limit

It _may_ be closer than you think

Well, all I know is I'd use a LOT of data if I tethered. I used over a gig in 3 weeks of owning my Fuze (1095MB), and using that connection on a computer would easily triple it. I sincerely doubt T-Mobile is going to allow you to take 4 gigs a month when their previous cap was at 1 and they changed the wording of the contract.

Black93300ZX said:
Hah, considering T-Mobile will limit your speeds as low as 50kbps if you use too much bandwidth, I don't think tethering is a great idea. You'll make it like 10 days with 3G speeds and then have dial-up speeds from then on.
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I have a kaiser in UK with the webandwalk plan. I stream things regularly and only once got a letter mentioning that I was going too much over the "limit". Other than that I never felt any slowing in my speed.
Regards
Emerson

Ok so back to a tether app.... has anyone figured out how to connect the G1 to a PC? WiFi would be the best solution if we could set it in AP mode but I haven't found a way to do that. So how about bluetooth? I heard they removed the bluetooth API in 0.9 and 1.0. That leaves USB but I am not sure how to make that work either. If we could get some connection to the PC that would be a big start.

Confirmed That It Will Have A 10 Gig Limit...then You Have Edge Connection For Remainder Of Bill Cyc..wifi Is The Alternative To Still Use The Phones Web W/ 3g Like Browsing

dre332256 said:
Confirmed That It Will Have A 10 Gig Limit...then You Have Edge Connection For Remainder Of Bill Cyc..wifi Is The Alternative To Still Use The Phones Web W/ 3g Like Browsing
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-is there anyway that you could give us a link or was this a rep?
-i have read things about the 10 cap but i am not sure either...
-some people say "just wait" but this gives us something to do until the delivery

A Rep...and There Has To Be A Data Plan Or You Can Only Call 911 And 611

Chainfire said:
It _may_ be closer than you think
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My connection pwns yours (lolz), thanks for the idea for the sig though.

data package
derkenblosh said:
Yes! most def!
If I can't tether, i'm buying a crappy sony phone from Tmobile for 3G / modem for my laptop. (if it'll work)
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fyi everyone tmobile is requiring the g1 to have a specific data plan that you have to have for the g1. And the word is that it only works with the g1 so you cant just swap your sim card into another phone and expect the data plan to work. I have the same problem and thought I could do that with my WING but apparently not. Guess we have to wait for someone to make a tethering app.

Dirtay said:
fyi everyone tmobile is requiring the g1 to have a specific data plan that you have to have for the g1. And the word is that it only works with the g1 so you cant just swap your sim card into another phone and expect the data plan to work. I have the same problem and thought I could do that with my WING but apparently not. Guess we have to wait for someone to make a tethering app.
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I called CS about this question, the answer is: you can
keep in mind that, G1 uses epc.tmobile.com as APN, try it on Wing
you even can request CS to add VPN tag in order to use internet3 APN
will pick up G1 at corp store, and setup my account, switch to G1 data service and add VPN tag
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1444468

[Q] Wifi tether uses what kind of sprint data?

I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.

ArchangelRenzoku said:
I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
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your using handset data which is unlimited and this only works if you are rooted and have wifi tether enabled,

sapperpipo said:
your using handset data which is unlimited and this only works if you are rooted and have wifi tether enabled,
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Okay good, that is my setup.
Short of torrenting pirated movies or other bandwidth-heavy activities, I don't have to worry about getting a nasty letter from them about using too much traffic then?
I normally just stream Netflix all day, check for updates on SRF1.3, and check G+ 3 or 4 times daily.

They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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styles420 said:
They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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But I thought Sprint was the only provider that doesn't have a fair-usage policy limiting users to 5GB a month. They are truly unlimited... (insert question mark here?)

styles420 said:
They all use the same data. Sprint just doesn't believe that a phone by itself will ever reach the 5 gb mark, and for the most part, they're right. Normal use of a phone should fall well below that mark, although video streaming could push it...
But try downloading 6 gigs on your phone each month, legitimately exceeding the 5 gig threshold without violating the new terms of service (in other words, without using any form of tethering), and I'd be willing to bet that your speed will still be throttled. You may even receive a letter about a violation, or about purchasing theory tethering plan. (Paying for their tethering doesn't count for this experiment, since it has already been established that that plan does get throttled, and it involves supplying a data connection to a device other than your phone)
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hmmm interesting,,
g l w t

sapperpipo said:
I use on average of 11 million Kbs of service each month for the past almost 2 years and I have yet to recieve any such letter,,,
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...that f**king shut me up...

As long as you arent abusing tethering like downloading huge torrents and using it as your main internet on 3g, you should be fine... i mean i know tons of people that posted in other threads that always go over the 5gb limit and sprint doesnt throttle or charge u.. just dont use it for torrents or online gaming via ps3 or xbox.
You should be fine if you do go over

davidrules7778 said:
As long as you arent abusing tethering like downloading huge torrents and using it as your main internet on 3g, you should be fine... i mean i know tons of people that posted in other threads that always go over the 5gb limit and sprint doesnt throttle or charge u.. just dont use it for torrents or online gaming via ps3 or xbox.
You should be fine if you do go over
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Hopefully it stays that way - they *just* changed the terms of service within the past month, so only time will tell.
If you pay for their tethering package, then the app checks in with their network when you start it (this was the part that needed to be hacked to get the native hotspot working for free, essentially) - that would be the only way Sprint would know which data is used for tethering, and it could end up being inflated by any data use on your phone while the tether app is running (unless the app actually reports when data is being pulled for a connected device instead of the phone - but that's more bandwidth wasted...)
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I really don't think Sprint cares. I had no home internet for about 2 weeks recently, so I used the tethering hack. During tha time I torrented over 30 GB of tv over 4g and never got a warning or throttling.
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I had been reading from the sprint website about their unlimited plans and sprint's customer support responses to people. The results are promising, for now.
They basically said as long as network usage remains balanced between light and heavy users, everything will remain unlimited forever. (We obviously know forever means 1 or 2 years at the rate people are jumping over to the unlimited bandwagon).
Even with the iPhone users coming over, they say it's going to remain unlimited as long as not EVERYONE is being a heavy user. If everyone becomes heavy, the CEO said they will think about tackling a different approach to tiered-usage once that boat comes along, but I guess we're all okay for now.

ArchangelRenzoku said:
I've seen the other similar threads but I couldn't find anywhere, anyone who has asked these questions specifically:
Sprint recently added a 5GB data cap to their "tethering" services that comes with the Sprint Hotspot. I understand that "handset" data however, is still to remain unlimited...
1.) So when using the Wifi tethering app from the market, which data does it use on Sprint's network? Tethering, or handset?
2.) If you're using Sprint's hotspot app - the hacked/modded versions devs have been making- which does it use?
3.) And finally, if you have a rom like SRF1.2 that bypasses proxies and does other network tweaks, which does it use with them?
My phones are below if you need to know what I'm running.
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I dont really know but i think that it just uses android's driver and permission from SU (superuser) to form itself into a wifi hotspot. For number two, if you hack you're phone, you're still going to pay for SPRINT hotspot app. However, wifi hotspot(from market) is free. I don't know number 3.. sorry :/

jemajun000 said:
I dont really know but i think that it just uses android's driver and permission from SU (superuser) to form itself into a wifi hotspot. For number two, if you hack you're phone, you're still going to pay for SPRINT hotspot app. However, wifi hotspot(from market) is free. I don't know number 3.. sorry :/
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False. I don't pay them $30/month and I use the hacked version of the hotspot app albeit not very much. That's the whole point of hacking it, so you don't have to pay the extra $30/month.

dtugg said:
False. I don't pay them $30/month and I use the hacked version of the hotspot app albeit not very much. That's the whole point of hacking it, so you don't have to pay the extra $30/month.
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Seriously, thanks for being the voice of reason here - that guy must have forgotten to toggle basic logic back on before engaging the typing mechanism
"We hacked the native hotspot app - now, it functions EXACTLY the same way as it did before we hacked it... don't forget to hit that THANKS button!"
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I'm glad you guys answered before I did. My answer would have been petty hurtful because that reply was not helpful whatsoever.
If you don't know, guessing doesn't contribute unless the post has to do with theory!
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didnt' really want to start a new thread.... i'm on SRF 1.2 with the fixed tether. for a couple of months i had no internet in the house so i was tethering without any issue off of 4g. got my internet back up at home and stopped using it. today i tried to go on with 4g and i could only go to google.com. turned off 4g and can surf on 3g on my laptop without issue. anyone know what's going on?

murso74 said:
didnt' really want to start a new thread.... i'm on SRF 1.2 with the fixed tether. for a couple of months i had no internet in the house so i was tethering without any issue off of 4g. got my internet back up at home and stopped using it. today i tried to go on with 4g and i could only go to google.com. turned off 4g and can surf on 3g on my laptop without issue. anyone know what's going on?
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In the future, starting a new thread instead of hijacking mine is suggested... but I'm feeling generous before I go to bed the A.M.
You simply don't start 4G until after your device is connected via wifi on 3G.
*Start wifi tether
*connect device
*Turn on 4G
In that order and it should work fine.
Try that and report your results please.

ArchangelRenzoku said:
In the future, starting a new thread instead of hijacking mine is suggested... but I'm feeling generous before I go to bed the A.M.
You simply don't start 4G until after your device is connected via wifi on 3G.
*Start wifi tether
*connect device
*Turn on 4G
In that order and it should work fine.
Try that and report your results please.
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unfortunatly that didnt' work. wonder if it has anything to do with my location. going to have to try it again when i get back home and see if that makes a difference. thanks for letting me thread jack

murso74 said:
unfortunatly that didnt' work. wonder if it has anything to do with my location. going to have to try it again when i get back home and see if that makes a difference. thanks for letting me thread jack
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Hmmm, sorry that didn't work. Please let me know your findings then so I have another solution to add for future peeps with such an issue.

Sprint tethering

I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .

method115 said:
I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
Sent from my Nexus S 4G

obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
sent from my Touchwiz'd Nexus S 4g

Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.

RushAOZ said:
That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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actualy they can tell and torrent downloaders are so easy spot, and im pretty sure torrent downloading might be in the fine print somewhere.
Oh also your so cool bro replacing home internet with sprints weak 3g/4g service that does not have any net neatrilty laws lol you will be gone sooner or later
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I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.

Yeah. Eventually when all the unlimited plans are gone at least we'll know why.
Also, sprint can tell your tethering, they're just not actively doing anything about it yet. After all when you are on 3G or 4G you go through their IP gateway and they can control what you see and can tell what you're using to see it. The only way to prevent that would be through vpn and maybe some https but headers still have to go through clean.
P2P is probably the easiest to detect even if encrypted so good luck trying to get your number back after they close your account.
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True, i would hope the systems are able to track it with all the tracking a smartphone is capable of especially just knowing the browser type they should be able to see who's tethering. I'm really curious to see how this plays out over the next year or two with data usage.

RushAOZ said:
That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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No definitely you guys
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searchfirst said:
I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
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Actually they can
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.

obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.

They may be able to on a backend but sprint.com and their billing system doesn't show the difference. Currently if you call sprint and ask for your hotspots usage they cannot provide an answer.
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cteneyck said:
Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
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Yes but torenting is easy to spot due the way it downloads parts of bytes from different spots
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Windst said:
Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
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Really????
My wife hates XDA

dowmace said:
Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
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There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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obsanity said:
There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?

obsanity said:
There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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I never said I have another internet connection. I said I could simply just download the files with my phone. I preferred to use my PC instead because I can avoid having to transfer files.
Thanks for the help everyone.

dowmace said:
You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
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Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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obsanity said:
Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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Obsanity, Were I can definitely understand your frustration with sprints slow network (I feel the same way), Sprint advertises unlimited data on smartphones. regardless of him paying for tethering (which he should pay for), data is data, and its all 1's and 0's and therefor is a mute point. People that tether without paying for it are not cause of slow data, however they will be the cause of tiered data plans. Until that happens chill out and relax. If you have a signal , -60db or better, then call sprint and have them take a look at the tower. if they insist its your phone, have them replace it. if they won't look at the tower, thank them for their time and file a complaint with the fcc.

Anyone tethering with Note on ATT? Are they detecting it?

As many of you know att was busting users tethering. I dont really use it all that often and since all the talk about att catching people tethering, i thought i would never be able to use it ever again, IF i needed too. Some times share with the klids phones if we are mobile. They dont have data.
Ive turned it on a couple times testing. I connected the laptop to it and loaded "a" page. I havent gotton any emails yet, or ever.
I was just wondering, since this is not an att phone, and there is no tether manager, should we be able to tether without getting detected?
I thought for sure there was going to be a topic already here, but theres not???? my search didnt turn up andything!!

carhigh said:
As many of you know att was busting users tethering. I dont really use it all that often and since all the talk about att catching people tethering, i thought i would never be able to use it ever again, IF i needed too. Some times share with the klids phones if we are mobile. They dont have data.
Ive turned it on a couple times testing. I connected the laptop to it and loaded "a" page. I havent gotton any emails yet, or ever.
I was just wondering, since this is not an att phone, and there is no tether manager, should we be able to tether without getting detected?
I thought for sure there was going to be a topic already here, but theres not???? my search didnt turn up andything!!
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I made mine a wireless hotspot for my friends for about an hour and a half like two weeks ago and they didn't say anything to me or kick me off my data plan.

Thank for posting this! I was wondering as well!

They probably won't say anything so long as you keep within your data cap. Going over it and they will likely scold you...
Brian

No issues here...tethering away and remembering not to be a hog. Don't abuse it.

inurb said:
No issues here...tethering away and remembering not to be a hog. Don't abuse it.
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Thank you!
When I had the HTC Evo I also had the tethering option ($30/month) but, fortunately, my company was picking up 90% of the tab. Now that my Evo is gone and I have a company provided iP4 I can't tether.
I have mixed feeling about tethering as it is a useful tool to have but also very easy to abuse. The problem with the abuse is that it eats into the bandwidth that I need for more casual usage and therefore negatively impacts my usage. I have heard of folks using of 50GB/month and if even a very small fraction of people did that there would be no cellular network that would survive.
When I get the Note I will probably go with the 4GB plan and have tethering. During my time with the Evo I averaged about 600MB/month including tethering, but with the Note I think the data use will go up because it will be far more useful and practical to surf the net and I think I'll probably go over 2GB/month. I will have to see what my data use actually is and if 2GB/month is enough and I can still tether than maybe that will be the way to go.
I don't see the need to try to game the system all that much and am willing to pay for what I use...
Brian

I've tethered with my Dell streak for over a year, never had an issue.
You just have to stay under the radar. Start downloading ISO size files, and you can bet you will get dinged.

I have been tethering illicitly for almost a year, first on my rooted SGS and now my Note, because that's been my only available "broadband" connection where I live (and I only get about 300kbps down even on HSPA 3g... very oversubscribed towers around here).
I got the dreaded warning letter from AT&T a couple months ago, where they politely suggested that I need to upgrade my plan to include tethering...and if I continue tethering, they will eventually do it for me.
That was a few months ago and they haven't done it yet, though I did back off on my data consumption after I got that letter (I stand to lose my unlimited data plan as well as seeing my monthly bill go up by $30).
I suspect that they infer that you're tethering based on your traffic, and that they can't actually tell whether you have tethering enabled on your rooted phone. E.g. if you're doing a lot of bittorrenting and connecting to sites like Windowsupdate.com, those would be pretty big clue that you're running a PC over your connection.
I rarely use my PC any more, and no more bt :-( so I am hoping they will continue to let my occasional small amount of tethering slide. And if they don't, I may just upgrade to a Verizon 4g LTE mifi instead, since that is now available in my area
HTH

I'm on att and with android phones I've been tethering for almost two years with no problem. It included the Nexus one, the galaxy tab, the inspire 4g, the unlocked sgs2 and now the Note. I frequently used the tethering option to connect my galaxy tab 10.1. I average 5GB a month and have never gotten any warning.
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I'm based in the UK so i don't have any useful input, I just find this article interesting. Your guys network operators over in the US sound like nazis. and I thought ours were bad?
I've seen a few networks over here include tethering as a "bolt-on" style upgrade to a price plan, but my question is, how the hell do they know? like with my SGS, tethering is part of the phone, so it was my understanding that they couldn't tell (unless you had anormal traffic - but with phones getting better processors surely that kind of traffic will very soon, if not already, be possible without tethering?)

calin75 said:
I'm on att and with android phones I've been tethering for almost two years with no problem. It included the Nexus one, the galaxy tab, the inspire 4g, the unlocked sgs2 and now the Note. I frequently used the tethering option to connect my galaxy tab 10.1. I average 5GB a month and have never gotten any warning.
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yeah, like I said: I don't think they can actually tell you have tethering enabled, so if the only devices you're connecting to your AP are other phones, they likely will never figure it out. But if you connect a Mac or PC much, watch out.
UPDATE: AT&T finally forced me into their tethering plan. I put my SIM into an old dumb phone, went online and changed the phone model on my acct, and they automatically dropped me back into my old unlimited data plan. Swapped the SIM back into the Note, all better again
We'll see how long it lasts, but since I'm not tethering anymore (just got a Verizon LTE Mifi) I will probably drop my data pan down to the minimum 200mb and save another $15/mo.
I'm seriously looking into switching all four of my lines over to Verizon now!

Which nexus 7 do you prefer WiFi or data

And why do you prefer that one

I prefer wifi since nowadays you can connect to wifi pretty much anywhere but if there's ever a time where I can't connect then I tether with my phone. And that's another reason too. For me I really only need one device with mobile data and that will always be my phone.

bolo808 said:
I prefer wifi since nowadays you can connect to wifi pretty much anywhere but if there's ever a time where I can't connect then I tether with my phone. And that's another reason too. For me I really only need one device with mobile data and that will always be my phone.
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For me, tethering is a pain in the ass. haha I'll turn tethering on, then put my phone back in my pocket and forget about it. Then 3 hours later I pull my phone out of my pocket and oh, hey, look at that...my battery is at 5%. Whoops! hahaha
LTE tablets are very useful for me because a) you have instant connectivity anywhere and b) they have bigger antennas than phones do, which means they can pick up signals places where phones can't. If you take a lot of road trips like I do, that comes in handy more than you'd think it would.
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oldblue910 said:
For me, tethering is a pain in the ass. haha I'll turn tethering on, then put my phone back in my pocket and forget about it. Then 3 hours later I pull my phone out of my pocket and oh, hey, look at that...my battery is at 5%. Whoops! hahaha
LTE tablets are very useful for me because a) you have instant connectivity anywhere and b) they have bigger antennas than phones do, which means they can pick up signals places where phones can't. If you take a lot of road trips like I do, that comes in handy more than you'd think it would.
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I hear you. That's why for me a portable charger is a must haha. But I do agree with you on LTE tablets. It would be much more convenient if I could connect anywhere without worrying about being in range to a wifi hotspot. If only data on tablets were free

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I hear you. That's why for me a portable charger is a must haha. But I do agree with you on LTE tablets. It would be much more convenient if I could connect anywhere without worrying about being in range to a wifi hotspot. If only data on tablets were free
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Yeah. Thankfully for me, it only costs me $10/month to add my tablet onto my existing smartphone data plan, so it's pretty cheap.
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Totally Data enabled version. And I'll tell you more if it wasn't for a wait I would of gotten one, but because it's still available I had to get 32GB version. Reason behind is this. Right now I have my i337 and this. If N7 had a sim I would of just dump my i337 and got my money back on N7 and then some. N7 can do whatever you want really, spec wise it's amazing for work or playing game or watching movies. Right now my phone is on thether at all times and I am using N7 mostly for everything. I even using Talkafone to make calls now. I don't know that sim slot make N7 a complete device I feel WiFi is everywhere now but Cellular service is everywhere'er. So WiFi<Data for me. And yes whatever you do. don't get 16GB version because you'll have like 9GB usable space and with 32 you get like 26GB .....remember no SDcard get 32GB

oldblue910 said:
For me, tethering is a pain in the ass. haha I'll turn tethering on, then put my phone back in my pocket and forget about it. Then 3 hours later I pull my phone out of my pocket and oh, hey, look at that...my battery is at 5%. Whoops! hahaha
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I don't have this issue with my GS3 (thanks to my Samsung 3000mah extended battery)
I can tether to my N7 almost all the day
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Matrix_19 said:
I don't have this issue with my GS3 (thanks to my Samsung 3000mah extended battery)
I can tether almost all the day to my N7
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My GS4 gets great battery life too.
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oldblue910 said:
For me, tethering is a pain in the ass. haha I'll turn tethering on, then put my phone back in my pocket and forget about it. Then 3 hours later I pull my phone out of my pocket and oh, hey, look at that...my battery is at 5%. Whoops! hahaha
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I had the same with wifi tethering whereas with Bluetooth both devices (S3 and Nexus 7) last almost the day, maybe give it a try if you did not yet.
@topic: Hence wifi is enough for me.
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chrismast said:
I had the same with wifi tethering whereas with Bluetooth both devices (S3 and Nexus 7) last almost the day, maybe give it a try if you did not yet.
@topic: Hence wifi is enough for me.
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I have, and is definitely more battery efficient, but honestly, $10/month is worth it to me as a convenience fee to just be able to have the tablet connected whenever I need it, without needing a 2nd device to make it work when I'm out. haha
If I had to pay for a completely separate data plan, that might be a deal breaker. But $10/month is an easy pill to swallow.
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I have, and is definitely more battery efficient, but honestly, $10/month is worth it to me as a convenience fee to just be able to have the tablet connected whenever I need it, without needing a 2nd device to make it work when I'm out. haha
If I had to pay for a completely separate data plan, that might be a deal breaker. But $10/month is an easy pill to swallow.
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I pretty much agree with everything you mention in this thread.
Also, I can not wait until all the data devices actually run 4G/LTE. In addition to the convenience, battery life, etc., the ability to get super fast data - as fast or faster than many wifi sites - will be a winning combination.
I use two tablets. One on data for everything similar to a phone, etc. The second is stock wifi for the latest OTA updates and development only.

I am a luddite. I want my phone to make calls. I want my taboft to do Wi-Fi. Cellular data is WAY too expensive for way too little data to be useful for me for anything. The only time I am out of range of Wi-Fi is when I am in the car. Then I am only using GPS or media, both which don't need data.
Long way around to say it's Wi-Fi for me.

I just sold my N7 3G 2012 and upgraded to this 2013 version.
On the 2012 I had a data plan for 12 GBP a month, which I don't consider expensive but as I had a Nexus 1 and it´s quite slow to browse and limited in some aspects. But now I bought the N4 so I prefer to have the data plan on my phone and have the N7 with wifi only.
I have more battery (way more, I don´t know if it´s because of the radios or the version) and I am saving that money. I use my tablet at home/transport but I use offline content when I am away, like movies, news, books...etc.
For me, as I have the N4 now, I can use any app that I have on the N7 on my phone, so there's no point to have data on both devices. However, a I have a offline GPS on the N7, just in case, and I can tether for any emergency.

For me Data version, I can share my current data plan for just 2 €, yes 2€.
I was debating with myself if I should get LTE or not, but having my Nexus 4 to talk, whatsapp, and have almost 2 days battery on it it's important. With tethering I could not get more than 9 hours battery life.
Also the WiFi and Data signal is so much strong on the tablet than on my phone, and that means that I will use less battery overall as well, not to mention that if I lose my device, I can always locate it thanks for the always on internet and google device manager service.

I got the wifi and I tether it when needed. /shrug, At some point I think I'll stop having a phone altogether and just go data tablet. I don't like to talk on a phone and don't. I don't remember the last time I used my N4 as a phone. I texted and browse and GPS. Altho I will answer when connected via bluetooth in the challenger. /shrug

PJ Clifford said:
I am a luddite. I want my phone to make calls. I want my taboft to do Wi-Fi. Cellular data is WAY too expensive for way too little data to be useful for me for anything. The only time I am out of range of Wi-Fi is when I am in the car. Then I am only using GPS or media, both which don't need data.
Long way around to say it's Wi-Fi for me.
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Funny. I feel like I'm the opposite of you.
Here is why:
"I am a techie (not luddite). I want my tablet (not phone) to make calls. I want my second tablet to do Wi-Fi. Smartphone cellular (not prepaid $30/30 day tablet) data is WAY too expensive for way too little data to be useful for me for anything. I am never out of range on my tablet (and tablet phone) but I get poor quality using tablet data for calls in the car. Then I can always use GPS or media (not am only using GPS or media, both which don't need data).
Long way around to say it's tablet data (not Wi-Fi) for me".
So, I fired Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile with my expensive "smart" phone plans. The "smart" is now entirely a marketing term in my opinion. Now, its either $30/month data and calls on T-Mobile or AT&T for me. If I need serious quality on a phone for a month or two I get a prepaid SIM ($45 - $50/month on T-Mobile or AT&T) for one of my spare phones.
There are some tricks to successfully making tablet calls. In a vehicle moving between towers, data is a problem. On short drives, with background vehicle noise, I recommend a bluetooth headset like Parrot. Normally, in the home or office I recommend a bluetooth headset like Sony SBH20. If you "talk to the tablet" you have to use echo cancellation with about 10% quality reduction. So I only recommend a tablet phone if you are a techie.

Bob Smith42 said:
Funny. I feel like I'm the opposite of you.
Here is why:
"I am a techie (not luddite). I want my tablet (not phone) to make calls. I want my second tablet to do Wi-Fi. Smartphone cellular (not prepaid $30/30 day tablet) data is WAY too expensive for way too little data to be useful for me for anything. I am never out of range on my tablet (and tablet phone) but I get poor quality using tablet data for calls in the car. Then I can always use GPS or media (not am only using GPS or media, both which don't need data).
Long way around to say it's tablet data (not Wi-Fi) for me".
So, I fired Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile with my expensive "smart" phone plans. The "smart" is now entirely a marketing term in my opinion. Now, its either $30/month data and calls on T-Mobile or AT&T for me. If I need serious quality on a phone for a month or two I get a prepaid SIM ($45 - $50/month on T-Mobile or AT&T) for one of my spare phones.
There are some tricks to successfully making tablet calls. In a vehicle moving between towers, data is a problem. On short drives, with background vehicle noise, I recommend a bluetooth headset like Parrot. Normally, in the home or office I recommend a bluetooth headset like Sony SBH20. If you "talk to the tablet" you have to use echo cancellation with about 10% quality reduction. So I only recommend a tablet phone if you are a techie.
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I just don't need data in the car. I am either using off-line GPS or playing audio from the SD card. I just think $30/month for 2GB data is ridiculous. I hear you about 3rd party cellular vendors, but I am in a kind of backwater area and if you want service that is really reliable, it is Verizon. Every thing else is spotty.
I AM in the IT industry, so I am not techno-adverse. However I have always liked discrete functions. A phone should be a phone and a data device should be a data. NOW, if the cell companies get reasonable or the traditional ISPs get smart and start adding cellular service as an extension of their wired service, that might be a whole different ball game.

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I AM in the IT industry, so I am not techno-adverse. However I have always liked discrete functions. A phone should be a phone and a data device should be a data. NOW, if the cell companies get reasonable or the traditional ISPs get smart and start adding cellular service as an extension of their wired service, that might be a whole different ball game.
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Yep. I get that.
Hopefully, Verizon will get widespread 4G/LTE soon (1-2 years), devices will get more universal band support, and device dependency on vendor technology (CDMA/LTE/other) won't lock you in. I'm with you on advancing ISP services to compete with cell providers. I'm told someone will license balloon antennas for wide range wifi, etc.

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Wifi. Cheaper and I can tether to my phone easily (a Motorola Razr M). So a LTE N7 would be a wasted monthly expense for me.

WiFi, as stated it's cheaper and I get unlimited tethering from my phone plan so no need for the data version. Plus I'll be getting free upgrade to 4g soon so all good.
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