Tough choice - Venue Pro General

Hey,
I was planing on getting this phone due to how cheap it is and wanting to try wp7 out.
I read a lot of issues about the phone and kind of discouraged.
The big question I have is should I just wait and see what "if" any newer wp7 phones are coming to Tmobile or should I take the plunge.
Please be honest lol You'll be saving a life if this phone really is a hassel.

the problems with this phone are fixed via new firmware and mango (most likely)
if you waited this long you could wait for the next batch to come out (like the searay)
but if you want a keyboard - this is the phone to get. It is also mad cheap!
i picked one up even tho i already have a w7 phone and i plan to get the new nokia too. (but i'm crazy)

A lot of the problems are reportedly fixed by the new (.212) firmware, which is due out this week! There's a good write-up in the article below.
http://wmpoweruser.com/dell-venue-pro-users-new-fw-report/
My phone is very stable with wifi disabled i.e. no lockups or reboots in over 3 months. The wifi issue is apparently caused by a DMA conflict - the new firmware reportedly fixes this.
It's a very nice phone. I don't regret purchasing mine.
On the downside, the camera is relatively poor. It's also thicker than most phones as it has a (very good) hardware keyboard.
Your decision is whether to get an ageing phone (i.e. DVP) cheap or wait for the next generation devices. This is something you will have to decide for yourself

Great phone...
1. Terrible camera
2. Low (read very) heatset volume
Hence spoils your upload to Facebook fun and also the the zune experience...
I honestly don't recommend this phone
Using .212 .... very stable with wifi

Strange. For me, headset volume has been very good using ue-18 pros. Very powerful at 15/30. However, my DVP is running old firmware(.105) and crashes alot. Like the device, but am still waiting for an update.

mechmouni said:
2. Low (read very) heatset volume
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As mentioned by aFo3262, the type of headset / earbuds you have can also make a big difference.
I listen to my DVP on the underground using cheap Creative EP-630 earbuds and have never had a problem with the volume being too low. Earbuds that fit inside your ear often give the best volume. They also reduce noise leakage, as long as you have the right size rubber pads, so people around you don't hear what you're listening to.
These are the earbuds I used to use with my iPod. The iPod is louder - however, the DVP goes loud enough that I always leave my iPod at home
Thought I'd mention as I'm not sure how much Dell can / will do to increase the output of the earphone jack.

You should not be using earphones playing music loudly to cover up other loud noises. You will destroy your ears. I am travelling in the UK and I have to agree with magicsquid, on my Skullcandy over-ear headphones the trains and underground seem dull compared to my headset volume of 17/30.

I work outside (very noisy equipment) all day every day and use these:
http://na.audeoworld.com/products/perfectfit/
Highly recommend them.

mechmouni said:
Great phone...
1. Terrible camera
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nod nod to that.
the camera.. even in bright light, is crap!
volume is fine.. but i always keep it maxed. its max is lower than you'd expect. But i'm find with it
running 212 and mango beta 2.

I received mine from the eBay deal 2 days ago. It came with .212 firmware on it and I've had no issues. I put Mango on it today. Performance is good and I have no headphone issues - I'm listening at about 20 (out of 30).

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Couple Of Questions...

Hi foks,
I'm getting my Silver Xperia this Friday (Can't wait)
Got some questions.
1. Hows the Camera?
2. Hows the flash/flashlight?
3. Hows the speaker sound?
4. How is the sound quality trough 3.5mmjack? (Or does it depend on what ear pieces you use?)
5. Hows the battery life? I'm almost 24/7 on msn 3G in some cases H and my TyTN II starts in the morning with 100% and ends in de evening 50/45%. How is this on the Xperia?
6. Hows the scroll pad?
7. Hows the panel?
8. Hows the phone in general?
9. Xperia X1, or Touch HD???
I've used the Xperia for 2 hours a while ago (Demo) and coudn't test everything cause the software wasn't correct.
Thank you.
xmoo said:
Hi foks,
I'm getting my Silver Xperia this Friday (Can't wait)
Got some questions.
1. Hows the Camera?
2. Hows the flash/flashlight?
3. Hows the speaker sound?
4. How is the sound quality trough 3.5mmjack? (Or does it depend on what ear pieces you use?)
5. Hows the battery life? I'm almost 24/7 on msn 3G in some cases H and my TyTN II starts in the morning with 100% and ends in de evening 50/45%. How is this on the Xperia?
6. Hows the scroll pad?
7. Hows the panel?
8. Hows the phone in general?
9. Xperia X1, or Touch HD???
I've used the Xperia for 2 hours a while ago (Demo) and coudn't test everything cause the software wasn't correct.
Thank you.
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Take your time and read some posts on this board. You will see that all your questions are answered in detail.
Edit: What the hell I will answer them even if I don't own one yet (but I've read many posts here).
For a 3.2 megapixel camera it is good but seems average, competing with other phones that have more megapixels.
The Flash is a LED light and as all LED lights it fails to be a proper flash. It helps a tiny bit to give some light in dark areas.
Average, some people complain it is too quiet while others are okay with it.
The sound quality is quite good from the 3.5mm jack. If you have cheap earbuds it will sound bad. With better equipment you will always have better results. That's the case for all audio devices.
Battery life is excellent considering other phones. This is a major plus for the xperia.
For scrolling it is good, though some members are annoyed if used for directions (instead of the standard direction pad) because they find its behaviour erratic. You can calibrate it for your needs, with the sensitivity options or disable it completely.
Average. Some panels are quite good, others are just gimmicks. The transition from portrait to landscape seems a bit laggy. Other than that it seems to work okay. Unfortunately panels don't run in parallel, so when you change from the Radio panel to another FM-Radio stops.
The phone is pretty good although some people question its high price. The craftsmanship is among the best. My opinion is that it is the best WinMo phone right now. When it matures it will definitely pay off its value.
Do you want a large screen (same resolution) or a hardware keyboard? If you need keyboard go for X1 if not go for HD.
Next time search please.
XavierGr said:
Take your time and read some posts on this board. You will see that all your questions are answered in detail.
Edit: What the hell I will answer them even if I don't own one yet (but I've read many posts here).
For a 3.2 megapixel camera it is good but seems average, competing with other phones that have more megapixels.
The Flash is a LED light and as all LED lights it fails to be a proper flash. It helps a tiny bit to give some light in dark areas.
Average, some people complain it is too quiet while others are okay with it.
The sound quality is quite good from the 3.5mm jack. If you have cheap earbuds it will sound bad. With better equipment you will always have better results. That's the case for all audio devices.
Battery life is excellent considering other phones. This is a major plus for the xperia.
For scrolling it is good, though some members are annoyed if used for directions (instead of the standard direction pad) because they find its behaviour erratic. You can calibrate it for your needs, with the sensitivity options or disable it completely.
Average. Some panels are quite good, others are just gimmicks. The transition from portrait to landscape seems a bit laggy. Other than that it seems to work okay. Unfortunately panels don't run in parallel, so when you change from the Radio panel to another FM-Radio stops.
The phone is pretty good although some people question its high price. The craftsmanship is among the best. My opinion is that it is the best WinMo phone right now. When it matures it will definitely pay off its value.
Do you want a large screen (same resolution) or a hardware keyboard? If you need keyboard go for X1 if not go for HD.
Next time search please.
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Foo don't know if you know me. But I'm a active member. I know how to use the search button. But all that searching and reading takes some time. And I don't have the time a.t.m.
Still thx.
1. Hows the Camera?
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I think the camera is quite good compared to my other phones. I never took a pic with the touch pro so i can't tell u if that was good or bad. The video quality is pretty decent too.
2. Hows the flash/flashlight?
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Never used the flashlight to take a pic but i would its just like any other. Pretty awful.
3. Hows the speaker sound?
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Speaker is way too low for me and the fact that the speakers are right by where u would hold the phone so ur covering the speaker when ur using it.
4. How is the sound quality trough 3.5mmjack? (Or does it depend on what ear pieces you use?)
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I'm watching a movie on it right now and the sound is pretty good i guess. I'm no expert but i also have no complaints.
5. Hows the battery life? I'm almost 24/7 on msn 3G in some cases H and my TyTN II starts in the morning with 100% and ends in de evening 50/45%. How is this on the Xperia?
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MY GOD!!! The battery is the sickest thing i've ever seen. I had WIFI, bluetooth (which keeps cutting off), screen on max brightness, Running TFL3D and streaming video and i got 4-5hrs out of the battery.
6. Hows the scroll pad?
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I like the scroll pad its a nice work around for having no directional pads on the keypad.
7. Hows the panel?
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I like the panels too. They aren't as slow as i thought they would be and its good to be able to just change ur today screen. Having TFL3D as a panel is what made it the greatest for me.
8. Hows the phone in general?
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GREATEST PHONE I'VE EVER USED!!! One of the worst keyboards but the phone is the greatest.
9. Xperia X1, or Touch HD???
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That is a personal decision. If u don't mind not having a keyboard then go touch hd otherwise i would go xperia x1 i personally wouldn't even have the touch pro in the ranking.
Bxsteez said:
I think the camera is quite good compared to my other phones. I never took a pic with the touch pro so i can't tell u if that was good or bad. The video quality is pretty decent too.
Never used the flashlight to take a pic but i would its just like any other. Pretty awful.
Speaker is way too low for me and the fact that the speakers are right by where u would hold the phone so ur covering the speaker when ur using it.
I'm watching a movie on it right now and the sound is pretty good i guess. I'm no expert but i also have no complaints.
MY GOD!!! The battery is the sickest thing i've ever seen. I had WIFI, bluetooth (which keeps cutting off), screen on max brightness, Running TFL3D and streaming video and i got 4-5hrs out of the battery.
I like the scroll pad its a nice work around for having no directional pads on the keypad.
I like the panels too. They aren't as slow as i thought they would be and its good to be able to just change ur today screen. Having TFL3D as a panel is what made it the greatest for me.
GREATEST PHONE I'VE EVER USED!!! One of the worst keyboards but the phone is the greatest.
That is a personal decision. If u don't mind not having a keyboard then go touch hd otherwise i would go xperia x1 i personally wouldn't even have the touch pro in the ranking.
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Thx.
One more question tho, How's the FM receiver?
I've only used it once at my house. It had horrible reception but i live in iowa so all radio reception is horrid except npr
xmoo said:
Foo don't know if you know me. But I'm a active member. I know how to use the search button. But all that searching and reading takes some time. And I don't have the time a.t.m.
Still thx.
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Oops I missed your post count, sorry if I sounded bossy.
Xmoo, you have to give it to them they are learning to read and get others to read at last
I do know your rep so I'll chime in..
Camera is about the best I've seen on a htc device, but that doesn't say much it's okay within obvious limits, video is pretty good..
flash is htc LED flash, say no more.
speaker is tinny and weak, as expected, single tiny speaker that you can cover with your hand far too easily, this has good and bad points.
Earpiece during calls is superb, plenty loud and people sound very clear with wonderful deep roundness to it. I described it to someone yesterday as like listening to BBC Radio 4! I also get comments from people telling me how clear and loud I sound, my Dad keeps phoning me 'cos he can actually hear what I'm saying for a change.
headphone sound through included headset is superb, rich full lows and really zippy high, and that's without the audiobooster. it looks like the vodafone tweaks have boosted the lows and reduced the highs a bit.
Battery life is good after first couple of days (of playing far too much). SE appear to have done some work on tweaking this, especially standby. I left mine on without using it last night, it lost 10% in 10 hours
poor connection (constant searching), UMTS bowsing and WiFI kill it though lost about 40% in 3 hours.
I've grown to love the optical touchpad, at first I hated it, and set the sensitivity all the way down, but with use I've set the sensitivity really high and use it instead of the D-pad keys most of the time.
Panels I find are boring very quickly, the card effect is good to show off down the pub. Pretty gimmicky overall, works very well to impress p*ssheads though! TF3d works very well, for me at least and is better..
Maybe I'll install the SDK and see what you can actually do with them, potentially it looks like you could use them as a container for running today dlls I think.
Overall phone is best WM device I've tried, I was a bit cautious coming from the Athena, but I've even got used to the small size (for me at least it feels small) but that's cos the last two phones were Uni and then athena.. And I've got huge hands, so it disappears, there's once or twice I've left the house and gone back to find the phone as it's so much smaller than those two you don't notice it's there, to realise that I've got it in my pocket all along! (a bit embarrassing as I've got music playing)..
I did contemplate selling it and getting a HD, but I've really grown fond of this, if I was offered a direct swap I'd be tempted but I'm very very happy.
FM radio is okay, don't tend to listen to radio much, but it picks up all the local and national channels here.
Main drawback is that it's probably the most mainstream WM phone there's ever been, I think that's a good thing, but it does mean we've got loads of new users in here that don't really understand what XDA_Developer is about and think people are here to tell them how to use their new pocket power ;D
:edit: one more thing, and something I noticed the first time I turned it on, the Wifi is the best I've ever used. I was picking up a signal from my router at the end of the drive, that's better than my laptops Sparklan a/b/g/n
I'm getting about 3 times more routers picked up travelling through built up areas than I ever did with the athena.
fards said:
Xmoo, you have to give it to them they are learning to read and get others to read at last
I do know your rep so I'll chime in..
Camera is about the best I've seen on a htc device, but that doesn't say much it's okay within obvious limits, video is pretty good..
flash is htc LED flash, say no more.
speaker is tinny and weak, as expected, single tiny speaker that you can cover with your hand far too easily, this has good and bad points.
Earpiece during calls is superb, plenty loud and people sound very clear with wonderful deep roundness to it. I described it to someone yesterday as like listening to BBC Radio 4! I also get comments from people telling me how clear and loud I sound, my Dad keeps phoning me 'cos he can actually hear what I'm saying for a change.
headphone sound through included headset is superb, rich full lows and really zippy high, and that's without the audiobooster. it looks like the vodafone tweaks have boosted the lows and reduced the highs a bit.
Battery life is good after first couple of days (of playing far too much). SE appear to have done some work on tweaking this, especially standby. I left mine on without using it last night, it lost 10% in 10 hours
poor connection (constant searching), UMTS bowsing and WiFI kill it though lost about 40% in 3 hours.
I've grown to love the optical touchpad, at first I hated it, and set the sensitivity all the way down, but with use I've set the sensitivity really high and use it instead of the D-pad keys most of the time.
Panels I find are boring very quickly, the card effect is good to show off down the pub. Pretty gimmicky overall, works very well to impress p*ssheads though! TF3d works very well, for me at least and is better..
Maybe I'll install the SDK and see what you can actually do with them, potentially it looks like you could use them as a container for running today dlls I think.
Overall phone is best WM device I've tried, I was a bit cautious coming from the Athena, but I've even got used to the small size (for me at least it feels small) but that's cos the last two phones were Uni and then athena.. And I've got huge hands, so it disappears, there's once or twice I've left the house and gone back to find the phone as it's so much smaller than those two you don't notice it's there, to realise that I've got it in my pocket all along! (a bit embarrassing as I've got music playing)..
I did contemplate selling it and getting a HD, but I've really grown fond of this, if I was offered a direct swap I'd be tempted but I'm very very happy.
FM radio is okay, don't tend to listen to radio much, but it picks up all the local and national channels here.
Main drawback is that it's probably the most mainstream WM phone there's ever been, I think that's a good thing, but it does mean we've got loads of new users in here that don't really understand what XDA_Developer is about and think people are here to tell them how to use their new pocket power ;D
:edit: one more thing, and something I noticed the first time I turned it on, the Wifi is the best I've ever used. I was picking up a signal from my router at the end of the drive, that's better than my laptops Sparklan a/b/g/n
I'm getting about 3 times more routers picked up travelling through built up areas than I ever did with the athena.
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Very Very thx, this was very usefull.
Another thing, i've seen a option to download panels. Is that for $ or for free?
Another thing, i've seen a option to download panels. Is that for $ or for free?
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Free... for now.
Insaneboy said:
Free... for now.
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HAHAHA True
fards said:
Main drawback is that it's probably the most mainstream WM phone there's ever been, I think that's a good thing, but it does mean we've got loads of new users in here that don't really understand what XDA_Developer is about and think people are here to tell them how to use their new pocket power ;D
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Couldn't agree more.

Had high hopes for N1 but disappointed

Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
That's $707.25... I can buy a new on and have it sent overnight for ~$600.
Not trying to troll or anything, just a tip if you plan on selling it to anybody in the US.
I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
To bad it did not work out for U...mine keeps getting better by the day! Well best of luck to ya selling it at that price...
I am going to bite my tongue... your logic is very flawed in many ways.
It may not be a rip off when you include the VAT he would have had to pay. We can get it cheaper here in the U.S. sure, but what is the total bill (including VAT) for someone in the U.K.?
IRT sound quality the speaker phone is utter crap but music is not bad if you have a decent set of headphones attached.
It sounds about right. My total came up about £441 after the VAT.
I agree re speaker sound but I'm saving up for QC 15 and I hope it will sound good enough not to buy an dedicated player.
I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
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Try smart keyboard pro from the market
I will admit, the speaker on the N1 is not that great.
bofslime said:
Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
I also thought that having a 5 megapixel camera (with flash) would make the phone an awesome device to take pictures with, it seems to me you simply wanted to complain, then sell the device - and this seemed to be the correct place to do it. I know that I'm wrong, but thats my 2 cents on the matter..
I use my N1 for music all the time, and think it sounds great. In the dock over bluetooth to my computer's speakers it sounds great. With my QC2's plugged in it sounds like I'm in da club.
The speakerphone is a speakerphone...I don't expect 5.1 out of it. What's with people???
I hate the standard OSK, so I installed the HTC-IME, and love it! Why do people quit so easily these days when we have SO many options?
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Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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Wow, what an idiot.
From the other thread:
I have listed my brand new Nexus One on eBay, simply because the speaker is not loud enough for me having come from the Nokia 5800.
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So your only reason, let me rephrase, the ***ONLY*** reason you are returning it is because the speaker is not loud enough?
A) There is an audio hack in the works that will make the N1 MUCH louder than your Nokia, guaranteed. Here are the links for the N1 (in production) and G1 hacks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517745
B) Why don't you try using the rest of the phone???
C) You're selling it for $175 more than the unsubsidized cost. WTF????
This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time.
????????
He's right in that the phone's speaker does leave something to be desired--Nokia phones generally have higher-equality speakers, what with them taking their "music phones" awfully seriously (I came to the N1 from the 5730 Xpressmusic: ****ty phone in every way but playback quality). It's a shame their devices aren't good for much else. Well, except durability. Those little buggers can withstand a lot of abuse.
I find it amazing that just because of the speaker he's prepared to loose all the other fantastic benefits of this amazing device... but still, different people, different priorities I guess. Myself I bought an £8 Veho360, very small and makes the music/podcasts sound like they're coming from a Hi Fi (Well, not quite... )
On the price, it is a bit cheeky he's trying to then make a profit. Mine cost £355 shipped and I may get a £60 VAT receipt soon. Having said that, there are peope on eBay asking £500 for it... I assume some idiots pay that.
Yeah, I wish my speaker was louder too (because I prefer to carry only one device to act as phone, tiny computer, media player and all) but it's far from a dealbreaker. Listening to music on it while out in public places is obnoxious, anyway, so I use the headphone.
Speaking of which, many people in countries other than the US/UK/Singapore/Hong Kong are quite willing to pay in the region of $600-800 for the phone. Makes me wish I'd ordered a few extra. Would've made a tidy profit.
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Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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I have to say this is way off the mark.
firstly the 5800 is rubbish. I had one and the earphone volume was ultra low until you pushed the case. Faulty connection in 90% of 5800's made. the OS is a nasty mess of s60v3 and touch. Sometimes you need single touch, sometimes you need double touch.
The contruction quality is poor, to be charitable.
You might be right about the sound quality, I gave my 5800 back within 2 days so never really tried it. but HTC devices normally have pretty good sound, perhaps a third party player with different codec might improve, or further roms might improve in the future.
On every other stat I wouldn't even bother to compare the 5800 to the N1
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I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
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Not a ripoff if he sell it in the UK, and he will know there is no way a US citizen is gonna buy it, why would they?
They are selling on eBay for more than that over here.
Kev
Eclair~ said:
I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
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A bit unfair on the guy, I agree the speaker is silly bad, and why? Nokia can and do put some nice speakers in some phones, 5800 and N95's come to mind as brilliant, and some stinkers a bad as the N1, like the E72, N97, N97 mini.
Even the iPhone speaker from flipping 3 years ago sounds quite nice when you have no choice but to use it instead of headphones.
Kev

[Q] External speaker quality

Hi Guys,
Question - is the external speaker good enough quality to listen to music. I have a Desire HD, & I must say it is painful to listen to.
I cannot use headphones in the job I do, but I do work in a quiet enviroment. the Desire HD is just soooo tinny it really does border on painful, to the point where it almost gives you a headache.
Whats the Galaxy S 2 like as I have an upgrade waiting, I just need to choose a candidate. I know I am never going to find stunning loud quality, but I just want something adequate, & as much as I love the HTC phones, enough just may be enough, although I am sticking with Android come what may!!
Cheers guys, Shane
There's another thread that's talking about sound quality, part of my reply is pertinent:
"Listening with the loudspeaker:
The Nokia (5800) absolutely blows it away, but then it's probably got the best stereo speakers of any smartphone. The Sammy doesn't have the volume, and it sounds thin and harsh compared to the Nokia.
However, other reviews suggest it's better than it's main competition (the HTC Sensation)... so basically I've been spoiled by the Nokia, and the Sammy is perfectly serviceable."
I should add that 'perfectly serviceable' is in the sense of what a non-audiophile will expect from a phone, to play videos and occasional music. If you're the sort of guy who spends £100 on headphones or who ever bought more than one copy of What Hi-Fi, then you'll not be so happy. But then, what can you expect of a super-slim smartphone? The Nokia is a fat old thing, plenty of room for decent speakers inside it. So you pays your money and you takes your choice
maybe its time to stop competing with :"who's gonnna make it thinner?" and instead put in the phone decent audio speakers. (especially ear speaker is a joke in SGS2) IT IS A PHONE in a first place !!!!
to your question, in comparison to HTC the sound is better and louder, compare to for example to Nokias phone it's horrible, compare to Iphone - my wife has one so I am comparing every day, it's not that bad but unfortunatelly iPhone still wins in clarity and crisper sound.
Cheers Guys,
I must say I do enjoy my music in various forms. I only really want this for background music whilst working, but then again I do not want to be sat there cringing with every guitar note, lol
It does sound, (pardon the pun), like the sound is better than the HTC so that in itself may sway me.
Cheers guys, think I need an audition sometime soon.
Cheers, Shane
Yeah, call in at an O2 shop - they seem to be the only one (in Milton Keynes) that I've been to that have both phones on display, working properly, at the same time. And they do seem quite helpful so I'm sure they'll let you try them both.
(But I wouldn't actually buy my phone from them - I'm an existing O2 customer and they quoted me £200 for the handset + 24 x £27, 300 minutes,300 texts,500mb data. I went to P4U and got £Free + 24 x £27, 600 minutes,unlimited texts,500mb data + £30 cashback if I took their insurance for 3 months (which I'm cancelling))

Call volume too low.

On mtg S1, the call volume was just horrible, could not hear callers well enough. It's only marginally better on S2. Any way to beef it up?
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Same with the headset volume. I first blamed my wifes carkit when she called me. But I was wrong
Try Volume +
jje
it's been 6 months and this problem hasn't been fixed. Nor will it. Suck it up or buy a working phone
Volume + doesn't work on call volume and on other audio applications crashes constantly. Volume on SGS 2 is the wors't feature of this otherwise grat phone....
Some people report that 2.3.5. firmware increases volume. When official update comes to UK unbranded phones I will check the audio settings and will see.
Never had a low call volume on KF3, nor having in KI3. Well it's not loud, but still no way it's too low, like SE W series devices. However the Headset volume in a call was horribly low on KF3, I didn't check it yet in KI3. Another boring part is not providing a software option for Disabling/Enabling the Noise Cancellation while we have it in hardware. Some things are very kiddish in this device, rather with Samsung.
Any other tips please?
I took a call in a shopping mall yesterday and could barely hear who it was. Turned out it was a family member. The call volume on this phone is rubbish.
How can I jack it up higher than. It can go?
Volume Control+ - no joy.
I start believing that all Android phones have low call volume, and especially Samsung phones. I tried 2 HTC phones and they were same as Samsung. Before SGS 2 I had Samsung i8910, Symbian phone, at least I could increase the volume to my comfort in service mode settings and the stayed put. No, there is nothing wrong with my ears, I also have Nokia N95 for spare phone and Nokia E7 and the volume on these phones is excellent without any tweaks. And I don't even want to start talking about my wife's Iphone 4..... I don't like Apple products at all, but the sound of her phone and crisp sound of speaker phone is way way better than SGS2. Maybe it's time to stop making world's thinnest phone and start making world's best sounding phone, Samsung?
I'll save ya all some trouble! Follow the link below and do exactly as it says. And remember you gotta do this everytime you reboot your phone, I know its stupid but works 100%.
http://www.ctrlplusz.com/2011/06/fix-for-low-microphone-volume-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s-ii/
Hope that Helped! Cheers!
Hi sahildeswal, I know about this settings, I played with this probably 200 times trying to set it up any possible way, it always comes back to original levels. Sometimes after reboot the phone, sometimes it lasts 2 - 3 phone calls and it goes back to original values. I have unbranded UK version, stock firmware. I think my next phone will not be Samsung, I will try the new Note and if the sound is same (horrible) I give up.
carlitos66 said:
Hi sahildeswal, I know about this settings, I played with this probably 200 times trying to set it up any possible way, it always comes back to original levels. Sometimes after reboot the phone, sometimes it lasts 2 - 3 phone calls and it goes back to original values. I have unbranded UK version, stock firmware. I think my next phone will not be Samsung, I will try the new Note and if the sound is same (horrible) I give up.
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I have same problem, the volume is low and the call voice quality is terrible (it is dificult to understand me when I speak).
If I speak in handsfree mode, the working micro is the top micro, and it works perfectly, quality is ok and volume is ok.
If I do skype call (in test mode), the working micro is the bottom micro (the same micro to do a phone call). If I do it with my galaxy and with another android phone that works ok, the sound quality is similar each other.
If I do a phone call with a stock rom the sound quality is not ok, but the few times I tested it, it was usable. The problem is that I have no root, essential for me because I use DroidWall and Titanium Backup.
I don't understand nothing and I don't know whant to do...
(sorry for my terrible english)
Sorry to say I think those with problems are either talking to people who are using crap phones with low mic volumes, like a LOT of house phones these days (Just try talking to someone who has called you from a HTC Desire, and your SGS2 ear piece will blow your ear drum
Mine is perfectly loud enough, my voice is crystal to other callers, and I can hear them perfectly.
This is on half volume. Maybe I have good ears? I doubt it lol.
Ive used KJ2 KJ1 KF3 and KE7. Black SGS2 on orange in the UK, unlocked, if that helps. Right now i'm on KJ2 - Stock.
My HTC Desire tended to blow my ear off too, so the theory about android phones having low volume is baloney im afraid.
Samsung SGS2 is best modern phone out there, (modern "good" phone that is) , call volume and quality included.
One thing I can say is this. If you are rooted (tut tut) and have a crap... I mean custom ROM (tut tut), then stop blaming Samsung as rooting makes it your fault. You destroyed your own phones by installing Crap roms.. I mean custom roms..
You dont need to backup if you dont keep messing around with your phones.
DISCLAIMER: I am grumpy as its work time and its early morning. All this is simply frustration at people blaming a non existant problem at a company that won't deal with it as it doesnt exist. Use an Xperia X10 and then come back and you'll see.
Peace out.
biffsmash said:
Sorry to say I think those with problems are either talking to people who are using crap phones with low mic volumes, like a LOT of house phones these days (Just try talking to someone who has called you from a HTC Desire, and your SGS2 ear piece will blow your ear drum
Mine is perfectly loud enough, my voice is crystal to other callers, and I can hear them perfectly.
This is on half volume. Maybe I have good ears? I doubt it lol.
Ive used KJ2 KJ1 KF3 and KE7. Black SGS2 on orange in the UK, unlocked, if that helps. Right now i'm on KJ2 - Stock.
My HTC Desire tended to blow my ear off too, so the theory about android phones having low volume is baloney im afraid.
Samsung SGS2 is best modern phone out there, (modern "good" phone that is) , call volume and quality included.
One thing I can say is this. If you are rooted (tut tut) and have a crap... I mean custom ROM (tut tut), then stop blaming Samsung as rooting makes it your fault. You destroyed your own phones by installing Crap roms.. I mean custom roms..
You dont need to backup if you dont keep messing around with your phones.
DISCLAIMER: I am grumpy as its work time and its early morning. All this is simply frustration at people blaming a non existant problem at a company that won't deal with it as it doesnt exist. Use an Xperia X10 and then come back and you'll see.
Peace out.
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Sorry, but you just went all wrong when you called custom ROMS crappy, while the call volume is good for me, other people may find it a bit on the soft side, but give respect where respect is due, I can put custom ROMS with everything working and best your SGS2 on a stock ROM any day, all day, educate yourself a lot more before you call anything crap, regardless of your Grumpy mood.....
You don't know what you are talking about. And I bet you never flashed a phone either.
biffsmash said:
Use an Xperia X10 and then come back and you'll see.
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+1
must... make.... 10 char.a..c...ters... uff!! Got it!

oneplus 2 speaker weak...

the single speaker has a very low volume level. can anyone suggest a solution? (i read the other thread).
phone is difficult to hear in noisy environments. forget playing music on the speaker. it's just a very whimpy monaural speaker.
i have tried 4 apps to boost volume, and only SpeakerBoost made much difference, but the app warns not to exceed a certain volume which is the point you start to gain some volume.
can i actually do physical improvements to the phone, like converting it to stereo w/2 speakers? where could the parts be bought? i'm in USA.
i am not rooted. would there be a solid solution if i rooted? or did 1 + just skimp on the speaker?
the equalizer that was included w/the 1+2 initially is long gone, but it really was not helpful for any significant volume boost.
I am disappointed in the 1+2 (and the retail price has plummeted like a rock), and their poor customer service.
unfortunately, hardware mods is a far fetched idea as there is already very less space, and fitting a whole speaker is, almost impossible. also the power and audio routing is not feasible.
your best bet, IMO is to look into software mods, specially rooted ones. look up the forums, you might find some. check user opinions and you may find one useful enough.
this is what i use. .works quite well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/r-s-e-sound-systems-auditory-research-t3379709
Out of the blue 1+ contacted me about a reception issue...
that was not resolved months ago. i would really appreciate any feedback on the following:
I took the opportunity in my response to 1+ to mention the speaker issue. anyway, after owning the 1+2 for months, i believe that the speaker and reception problems are design flaws; that 1+ simply skimped on some portions of the phone and hyped it as a flagship killer.
can anyone offer any input on a way to get significantly more volume out of the phone speaker without damaging it?
a top end tech at att wireless explained to me that someone in my building who has a cheap flip phone likely has better reception than my 1+2. this was the highest i could go up the att tech ladder. Further, i see this as a design flaw, because other immediate neighbors using the same carrier do not have the significant reception issues i experience.
anyway, i sent the phone on about an 8000 mile RT repair trip to some 3rd party repair shop that handles 1+ repairs for 1+. absolutely nothing was done about the reception issue.
Now, a 1+ representative wants me to again send the phone back to repair. they just ignore that i say these issues are design flaws.
when i heard a neighbor using their old samsung phone (speakers) like a stereo, i realized the 1+2 speaker is much worse than i realized.
i asked 1+2 for a refund or an upgrade; they turned me down.
control freak said:
unfortunately, hardware mods is a far fetched idea as there is already very less space, and fitting a whole speaker is, almost impossible. also the power and audio routing is not feasible.
your best bet, IMO is to look into software mods, specially rooted ones. look up the forums, you might find some. check user opinions and you may find one useful enough.
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ok, thank you.
foomanjackel said:
this is what i use. .works quite well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/r-s-e-sound-systems-auditory-research-t3379709
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OK, thank you. you and control freaks post did not show up until after the post i just made regarding trying to deal again with 1+ customer service, again.
i guess i best root the phone once again.
+1 for arise sound system, it works well
use v4a

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