Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
That's $707.25... I can buy a new on and have it sent overnight for ~$600.
Not trying to troll or anything, just a tip if you plan on selling it to anybody in the US.
I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
To bad it did not work out for U...mine keeps getting better by the day! Well best of luck to ya selling it at that price...
I am going to bite my tongue... your logic is very flawed in many ways.
It may not be a rip off when you include the VAT he would have had to pay. We can get it cheaper here in the U.S. sure, but what is the total bill (including VAT) for someone in the U.K.?
IRT sound quality the speaker phone is utter crap but music is not bad if you have a decent set of headphones attached.
It sounds about right. My total came up about £441 after the VAT.
I agree re speaker sound but I'm saving up for QC 15 and I hope it will sound good enough not to buy an dedicated player.
I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
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Try smart keyboard pro from the market
I will admit, the speaker on the N1 is not that great.
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Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
I also thought that having a 5 megapixel camera (with flash) would make the phone an awesome device to take pictures with, it seems to me you simply wanted to complain, then sell the device - and this seemed to be the correct place to do it. I know that I'm wrong, but thats my 2 cents on the matter..
I use my N1 for music all the time, and think it sounds great. In the dock over bluetooth to my computer's speakers it sounds great. With my QC2's plugged in it sounds like I'm in da club.
The speakerphone is a speakerphone...I don't expect 5.1 out of it. What's with people???
I hate the standard OSK, so I installed the HTC-IME, and love it! Why do people quit so easily these days when we have SO many options?
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Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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Wow, what an idiot.
From the other thread:
I have listed my brand new Nexus One on eBay, simply because the speaker is not loud enough for me having come from the Nokia 5800.
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So your only reason, let me rephrase, the ***ONLY*** reason you are returning it is because the speaker is not loud enough?
A) There is an audio hack in the works that will make the N1 MUCH louder than your Nokia, guaranteed. Here are the links for the N1 (in production) and G1 hacks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517745
B) Why don't you try using the rest of the phone???
C) You're selling it for $175 more than the unsubsidized cost. WTF????
This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time.
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He's right in that the phone's speaker does leave something to be desired--Nokia phones generally have higher-equality speakers, what with them taking their "music phones" awfully seriously (I came to the N1 from the 5730 Xpressmusic: ****ty phone in every way but playback quality). It's a shame their devices aren't good for much else. Well, except durability. Those little buggers can withstand a lot of abuse.
I find it amazing that just because of the speaker he's prepared to loose all the other fantastic benefits of this amazing device... but still, different people, different priorities I guess. Myself I bought an £8 Veho360, very small and makes the music/podcasts sound like they're coming from a Hi Fi (Well, not quite... )
On the price, it is a bit cheeky he's trying to then make a profit. Mine cost £355 shipped and I may get a £60 VAT receipt soon. Having said that, there are peope on eBay asking £500 for it... I assume some idiots pay that.
Yeah, I wish my speaker was louder too (because I prefer to carry only one device to act as phone, tiny computer, media player and all) but it's far from a dealbreaker. Listening to music on it while out in public places is obnoxious, anyway, so I use the headphone.
Speaking of which, many people in countries other than the US/UK/Singapore/Hong Kong are quite willing to pay in the region of $600-800 for the phone. Makes me wish I'd ordered a few extra. Would've made a tidy profit.
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Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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I have to say this is way off the mark.
firstly the 5800 is rubbish. I had one and the earphone volume was ultra low until you pushed the case. Faulty connection in 90% of 5800's made. the OS is a nasty mess of s60v3 and touch. Sometimes you need single touch, sometimes you need double touch.
The contruction quality is poor, to be charitable.
You might be right about the sound quality, I gave my 5800 back within 2 days so never really tried it. but HTC devices normally have pretty good sound, perhaps a third party player with different codec might improve, or further roms might improve in the future.
On every other stat I wouldn't even bother to compare the 5800 to the N1
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I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
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Not a ripoff if he sell it in the UK, and he will know there is no way a US citizen is gonna buy it, why would they?
They are selling on eBay for more than that over here.
Kev
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I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
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A bit unfair on the guy, I agree the speaker is silly bad, and why? Nokia can and do put some nice speakers in some phones, 5800 and N95's come to mind as brilliant, and some stinkers a bad as the N1, like the E72, N97, N97 mini.
Even the iPhone speaker from flipping 3 years ago sounds quite nice when you have no choice but to use it instead of headphones.
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Havn't seen any threads around here about the quality of the loudspeaker, like for mp3 ringtones and such.
I have an XDA2i and the sound is tiny, with no real range, but it does get loud enough to hear ok. I'm wondering, could anyone with an HD post a quick paragraph about how the sound is over loudspeaker.
Also, i understand there is a system equalizer. does this effect the loud speaker or only music over headphones?
Thanks, i'm waiting patiently on mine to be delivered but it's been playing on my mind (excuse the pun )
.....BANE
Considering it's a tiny speaker it's not bad. No complaints.
There is an EQ program called 'Audio Booster' which is also integrated with the TF3D music player, this does only work with headphones.
very bad sound from the speakers,quite possibly the worse i have experienced of any phone.
ringtones are quite good, i am referring to multimedia playback through the speakers.
yes I agree, it really is awful.
The speaker in it is worse than listening to a single mini headphone placed in the middle of a table. Terrible! Considering the price, a decent speaker would have been nice . .
as would a flash for the camera
as would GPS that didnt take 5 minutes
as would the ability to play movies without them stuttering
as would the ability to view flash content in web pages
as would the ability to store stuff on decent internal storage
I know all the arguments for the above, size, weight, battery . . . but you have to remember what we all paid for this device. We paid a HECK of a lot of money.
mmm.. so it coulld bea little disappointing. I guess as long as it is better than myxda2i, i'll be happy
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very bad sound from the speakers,quite possibly the worse i have experienced of any phone.
ringtones are quite good, i am referring to multimedia playback through the speakers.
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the trinity was worse - I don't mind the sound quality which is just lacking basses but is not crackling...
mmm that's good. on full volume songs on the 2i were cracky. i didn't expect any bass really.
WOW, we're talking about a tiny little speaker on a phone, think some people are being a bit picky.
I'll admit though, It's not as good quality as the B&W's I have hooked up in my house
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WOW, we're talking about a tiny little speaker on a phone, think some people are being a bit picky.
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Philo, I do take your point honest I do, but my point is that we are paying between €600 and €700 for this puppy. That's like buying a Rolls Royce. You expect everything to be perfect and of excellent quality. Is that not a fair expectation for that amount of money?
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Philo, I do take your point honest I do, but my point is that we are paying between €600 and €700 for this puppy. That's like buying a Rolls Royce. You expect everything to be perfect and of excellent quality. Is that not a fair expectation for that amount of money?
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Yer I guess that's true
Personally I would use the multimedia features of the phone on the move with headphones so don't really consider this a particularly important feature of the device.
no complaints, i think the speaker is very good, much better than the diamond!
gt112 said:
Philo, I do take your point honest I do, but my point is that we are paying between €600 and €700 for this puppy. That's like buying a Rolls Royce. You expect everything to be perfect and of excellent quality. Is that not a fair expectation for that amount of money?
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No sir, you're not being fair. First of all, the device is not expensive, if we're to be honest about it. My uncle paidmore than usd 10,000 for a car battery size phone years back. My first brick sized phone cost close to usd 2000. Now you have phone/gps/mp3/camera/video recorder/video player/computer/radio for a mere fraction when inflation should have pushed it to usd 70,000, but we're paying 100th of that.
Next, if you're expecting a perfect quality sound, buy an FM broadcast device and play your music over your car speaker, or wire it to your home HIFI system (which I often do), or buy a good quality headset and listen to your music in that way. The speaker on the phone is mainly for the ringtone. If it is loud enough to alert you, that's mostly enough. Don't expect AC3, or 5.1 sound coming out of that because one should never try to enjoy good music from this tiny little speaker.
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Yer I guess that's true
Personally I would use the multimedia features of the phone on the move with headphones so don't really consider this a particularly important feature of the device.
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Same.
As long as it plays the ringtones loud enough for me to hear them - i'm happy.
These comparisons are hard for some of us. The Touch HD has attracted many new users to WinMo.
How does it compare to Nokia phones such as the N95, N95 8GB etc.
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Don't expect AC3, or 5.1 sound coming out of that...
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Soon.... soon it will be so And projectors too please!!!
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These comparisons are hard for some of us. The Touch HD has attracted many new users to WinMo.
How does it compare to Nokia phones such as the N95, N95 8GB etc.
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Ha ha.. I don't blame you. Most of you may not be born yet when the battery size phone first emerged..
The electronic manufacturing industry is a tough and competitive one. The speed of a product becoming obsolete is frightening. A design flaw and pricing error can cause seriuos problem. The production line have to be changed all the time for new models. I have listened to a speech by the owner/ceo of the company which manufactures iPhone and have lots of respect for the continuous drives for efficiency, technology vision, and good judgement.
A sofa, table, and furniture can still sell 10 years 20 years later if there is no demand now. But an 2 MP camera that does not sell within a certain time frame is a junk that nobody wants. So, they cannot afford to charge too much and to overprice.
Sorry a little off topic. But just to make a point that HD is not really expensive. It is good value.
My first mobile made calls, received calls and featured a fantastic 1ish inch 'widescreen' mono (1 colour) lcd screen
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no complaints, i think the speaker is very good, much better than the diamond!
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I agree with that. The HD speaker is very good to alert me to incoming calls, and gives very good in-call volume. If I want to listen to quaity audio, I'l be putting in the headphones. The diamond has terrible volume in comparison. It's a bit of an issue, but not insurmountable. The HD, in my view, is more than fine.
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My first mobile made calls, received calls and featured a fantastic 1ish inch 'widescreen' mono (1 colour) lcd screen
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Yeah my first's ultra mega new and awesome feature was receiving text messages.
Insaneboy said:
Yeah my first's ultra mega new and awesome feature was receiving text messages.
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I remember when pda's first were able to accomodate a sim card, and take calls. This was new fangled nonsense that I was completely unwilling to trust. I carried an iPaq and a seperate phone for a number of years. It wasn't until tytn that I felt that the phone ability of the combined smartphones was good enough to dispense with a dedicated phone.
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actually the SE P900 was my first smartphone where I dispensed with my ipaq (which just became a dedicated satnav). Tytn was the first WM smartphone I trusted for phone calls.
Im now torn on whether to keep it or send it back. I got a brown sim free one delivered on friday morning after.much delibration and hesitation.
The hardware is very nice and solidly built...at least mine was. No gaps or anything of the sort.
Android and sense are both great...love them and I love the market place, which in my opinion is superior to the app store since.most apps are free and policy is less...draconian
I want to keep the device I really do.but its just not polished.enough and i know once the novelty wears off and reality sets in i'll most likely be frustrated when using it daily
I've noticed several issues:
-The keyboard works well for the most part with little lag but the spacebar sensitivity/responsiveness could be better. I still make more errors than I do on my iPhone as it loves giving me a period instead of a space
-During calls there's this annoying hiss that gives me a headache.
-Also during calls, sound gets distorted.if you raise the.volume beyond a.certain point and it makesit impossible to hear the other party properly
-Lags/stutters although mine doesn't seem as bad as others have pointed out. Just 1-2sec lags/jerkiness. However it becomes slightly more apparent when browsing the web and viewing photo albums.
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
Anyway like I said I really wantto.keepthe phone but I wantedto know how HTC handles their updates. Apple is very.much on the ball when it.comes to updates in my experience,they optimize, fix bugs and.add.features so you know you're well covered. Does HTC do.the.same.or doyou have to.suck it up and.live with what is shipped to you
If HTC do it like Apple then i'll keep the phone. Otherwise, it means my switch to Android will haveto wait a while yet
Ps the reason my post reads.funny is because.I'm.typing this from.the device and.going back to fix every error.is a.PITA
Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Yeah i have done the keyboard calibration which is why i'm surprised its still finicky. *Shrug*
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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Agreed and yeah...i'm starting to think this might be the way things end up unfortunately
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
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Its not my hearing i've never reached the max volume on my iPods/iPhones but frequently have to do so with the Hero. Maybe its specific to my unit.
robboy said:
Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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I typed my post exclusively in landscape mode. I wouldn't even try portrait...unless for short text messages
I will admit that I'm quite confused regarding the lag issues. It does not seem to effect everyone and the ones it does effect consider a problem that if it were solved, the phone would be a fantastic upgrade from an iphone 3g or 2g. At times I hear it is just the live widgets, other times I hear it is just the software in general during media playback and browsing. I honestly don't know what to think and would love to have a means to test a hero as it is now. I'm not gonna upgrade to a 3gs...I'm still considering the hero but I'm going to wait for the software update and to see how things process for it on xda. I really see the potential in android and that is where I would like to stay if all works out..but I'm not so clear about the hero. Given my options and my needs, the the lag can be address with code optimization, then I think the hero is the best choice for me at this point. we'll see. if you're interested in selling it, let know price via PM. If you're any where near south central PA, perhaps I could give the thing a test run first if you don't mind.
I had the Hero, I could wait to get it. I was like a five year old waiting for santa! Anyway, bit dissapointed in it so reluctantly took it back and bought a PAYG iphone 3GS from O2.
Installed redSnow to jailbreak, then ultrasn0w to unlock and now i'm using it on Vodafone. Thank god for the iphone dev team.
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
http://justflikwalk.deviantart.com/art/iVillain-Beta-128791945
http://modmyi.com/forums/attachment...1247179088-beta-release-ivillain-img_0053.png
Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
I agree crappy music playback is terrible. speed is OK, quite laggy compared to an iphone 3G but bearable. Apparantly a rom update will arrive soon.
I'm thinking of returning to an iphone as well. No equalizer is like it's 1999.
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Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
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Maybe so but its also piracy
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Maybe so but its also piracy
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....and you have a problem with this?
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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you can transfer all sorts of files uising wifi discover. It turns the iphone into a wireless usb stick. If you transfer an mp3 it'll play it on the phone. Thats what i do. There is al alternative to itunes on Cydia. Even if you couldn't do that, the sacrifice is a small price to pay when you concider the iphone 3GS is just so slick.
Why can't other manufactures achieve what Apple has done here? Did they back engineer the iphone from a UFO wreck in Navada? BTW i'm no iphone fanboy. I've had HTC devices from the first orange SPV in 2003 right up to The Hero. There is no getting away from it, Palm, Samsung, HTC whoever just can't get close to Apple right now.
Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
rickyb90 said:
Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
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I never even took the stock earbuds out of the box. Been alternating between V-Moda Vibe Duos and Bose Quiet Comforts
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The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place.....multitasking...
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
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If you don't count playing music whilst browsing the web or any other task, and background checking your email / calendar sync... but it sure sounds like multitasking to me
And all because you can't choose other apps to have open in the background dosn't mean it can't multitask 'at all'. And lord just look at the Hero (slowwww/laggggg) as a case point why multitasking might not always be the best way to go about a mobile phone operating system.
I don't know if talking about lag is a valid point as I, and many others have experienced no lag at all, even during intense useage.
Personally, I understand that many people are experiencing lag issues but I'm keen to see what happens with this update coming out soon.
And background processing/multitasking is absoultely vital for a smartphone OS.
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Goto Cydia > download "Backgrounder" and multitask as much as you want!
I'm a techy too, but the Hero just doesn't impress. Jailbreak an iphone and become a geeky as you want. Widgets on lock screen and the springboard.
The iphone apps are like a 100 years ahead of android! one day android will be great. Just not today.
Hi all,
to all of you who already bought a Nexus One, how do you like your phone ? I've only seen posts with questions, complaints (battery, no Exchange calendar sync, etc), but no one says "wow, this phone is absolutely incredible, I really love it !".
I switched from Nokia some months ago (I was a Nokia fanboy for many years, my last one was a N97) to a HTC Hero, and find this phone absolutely fantastic. My Nexus One should arrive next week, and I'm sure I'll love this phone even more.
What's your opinion ?
the phone, simply is awesome. Granted there are some things that are flawed, but this is hardly something unexpected when a new piece of tech is released. So far all the troubles are software and can and Im assuming will be fixed in future updates. The speed is unmatchable, even with a **** ton of programs running simultaneously. I loaded camera, dolphine, market, default browser, gmail, and that 3d tron light racer all at the same time and the phone acted as if there was nothing there, scrolling was unchanged, processing just as fast as ever. The only serious gripes that I have with the phone is the instability of its 3g signal, but do not fret, this is a software issue and will be patched soon in the future. Also that some of the apps in the market do not yet work with Nexus One, but this too will be updated soon enough. I believe I can speak for everyone on this Nexus one Thread when I say, Google is one of those companies that takes care of its consumers.
Do not believe all the negative press that has dumbfoundedly found its way ruining the image of this phone. There is no phone faster, and there is no phone that is androidier.
-Cheers and enjoy your Nexus One
I dont like my N1, I love it, its so fast and beautiful. It takes great pictures, loads web pages really fast, especially xda, Im posting this from it. Battery life is fine for me. Ive never had any 3G issues, had 3G the whole time ive had the phone. This thing is definitely a beast I cant wait to see what future software upgrades will do.
It's badass.
It's a great phone. Very fast, very responsive, nice screen and lots of features. N1 torch comes in handy!
Definitely not for apple iphone followers. This is a true Geek phone.
Only complaint is Tmobile's 3G network issues, using EDGE for now.
I would like to mention that the Audio quality is very good with my headphones, no noise feed back.
While I did complain in my review, I do like the N1 a lot.
I love it. The OS handles multitasking very well. While a lot could be streamlined, I bought the phone in hopes of future improvement. I have my iPhone 3GS right here next to me. I'm not going back to it.
However, I wish I could find a 32 GB microSD card. All I can find are 16 GB ones.
Let me put it this way.... I have a Nokia N900 (which supports Flash and is a multi-tasking beast) and my wife uses an unlocked and jailbroken 3G iPhone, both on T-Mobile. I bought an N1 on Tuesday and had it Thursday.
After bringing it home my wife (who lives and dies by Apple products) said, let me just pop my sim in and take a look.
After using the N1 for the past two days she has officially declared she is selling her iPhone and keeping the N1 and if I want one I'd have to get another one. Well SHOOOOOOT....
What she likes about the N1 (as compared to an iPhone 3G running 3.12):
- Likes the way it feels
- Amazon Music Store
- Managing Playlists on the Device
- Using any song as a ringtone
- Customization
- Likes the trackball
- LOVES LOVES LOVES the keyboard and texting functionality
- Thinks the camera is quicker then the iPhone.
Her big complaint with the iPhone camera was how it had a slight delay between
pressing the shutter function and saving the photo. Where inevitably the subject would
move during that short 'processing' time and blur or make the photo fuzzy.
Her only dislike:
- Headphones. As we all know HTC has a tendency to pack in very stock headphones which have poor audio quality. She's hoping more third party manufactures will make headphones specifically for the N1. Otherwise she's in the market for a decent pair of bluetooth headphones.
There you go.
And with the promise of Flash integration for the N1 from Adobe coming in the short months she's a very happy camper.
ajwho said:
I love it. The OS handles multitasking very well. While a lot could be streamlined, I bought the phone in hopes of future improvement. I have my iPhone 3GS right here next to me. I'm not going back to it.
However, I wish I could find a 32 GB microSD card. All I can find are 16 GB ones.
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Same here my iPhone will now just be used in my car for music and Sat Nav now(Got TomTom car kit/app)
All the 16GB are class 2 from what I've seen but I'm sure we will get bigger and faster ones soon!
I absolutely adore my Nexus One. All of my friends are iPhone users... went out last night and the Nexus was def the centre of attention. It's not quite as 'refined' as the iPhone but that's what I like about it. It's still super fast and the apps are getting better and better.
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Same here my iPhone will now just be used in my car for music and Sat Nav now(Got TomTom car kit/app)
All the 16GB are class 2 from what I've seen but I'm sure we will get bigger and faster ones soon!
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I'm thinking pair the N1 to the car, start last.fm and tell it to play stuff.. not had chance to try yet (too much snow to drive).
If it works well enough I'll sub to spotify and forget about storing music at all.
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I'm thinking pair the N1 to the car, start last.fm and tell it to play stuff.. not had chance to try yet (too much snow to drive).
If it works well enough I'll sub to spotify and forget about storing music at all.
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I use Spotify on my iPhone but the iPhone still has better Sat Nav apps than Android.
But I heard TomTom will be bring out an App for Android so once they hits I might sell my iPhone.
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Same here my iPhone will now just be used in my car for music and Sat Nav now(Got TomTom car kit/app)
All the 16GB are class 2 from what I've seen but I'm sure we will get bigger and faster ones soon!
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I just baught a 16gb class 6 off ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/T6t6-TOPRAM-16G...C_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item4cec20985f
hope I didn't get hosed
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I just baught a 16gb class 6 off ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/T6t6-TOPRAM-16G...C_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item4cec20985f
hope I didn't get hosed
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Never seen any in the UK. Play.com, Amazon etc don't sell class 6. Let us know how fast read/write is when you get it please
EDIT: Found one - http://www.dabs.com/products/trancend-16gb-micro-sdhc-card-628H.html Due in 3-4 weeks
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I use Spotify on my iPhone but the iPhone still has better Sat Nav apps than Android.
But I heard TomTom will be bring out an App for Android so once they hits I might sell my iPhone.
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Between Google navigation and Co-Pilot on Android, what else do you need for SatNav.
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Between Google navigation and Co-Pilot on Android, what else do you need for SatNav.
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No Google Nav in UK. And when I tried Co-Pilot on my G1 it was outdated and TomTom had much better maps for my area
Nexus One is amazing. end of story. yes some people will have problems either due to defects or simply their own mistakes. **** happens with any phone.
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Let me put it this way.... I have a Nokia N900 (which supports Flash and is a multi-tasking beast) and my wife uses an unlocked and jailbroken 3G iPhone, both on T-Mobile. I bought an N1 on Tuesday and had it Thursday.
After bringing it home my wife (who lives and dies by Apple products) said, let me just pop my sim in and take a look.
After using the N1 for the past two days she has officially declared she is selling her iPhone and keeping the N1 and if I want one I'd have to get another one. Well SHOOOOOOT....
What she likes about the N1 (as compared to an iPhone 3G running 3.12):
- Likes the way it feels
- Amazon Music Store
- Managing Playlists on the Device
- Using any song as a ringtone
- Customization
- Likes the trackball
- LOVES LOVES LOVES the keyboard and texting functionality
- Thinks the camera is quicker then the iPhone.
Her big complaint with the iPhone camera was how it had a slight delay between
pressing the shutter function and saving the photo. Where inevitably the subject would
move during that short 'processing' time and blur or make the photo fuzzy.
Her only dislike:
- Headphones. As we all know HTC has a tendency to pack in very stock headphones which have poor audio quality. She's hoping more third party manufactures will make headphones specifically for the N1. Otherwise she's in the market for a decent pair of bluetooth headphones.
There you go.
And with the promise of Flash integration for the N1 from Adobe coming in the short months she's a very happy camper.
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How does it compare to the n900?
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How does it compare to the n900?
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Haha. When the n900 stands next to the N1, everyone laughs at it. Not because of anything wrong with it, just because... anything is laughable next to the Nexus One. The iPhone looks like a toy you get for your kid to pretend it has a cell phone. The Nexus One is not an iPhone killer. The iPhone and the N1 are in completely different categories... iPhone is a toy from a previous age. Nexus is a thing of awesome power and functionality, in a design that is, yes, more beautiful than the iPhone, by far. It can't be denied, this is just as slim (slimmer, actually) and sleek as the iPhone, but it actually has some style, versus the iPhone's simple "nothing" look of one giant button. The only thing that the N1 does not make obsolete is BlackBerry, and that's because it, too fits into its own category, an email machine. All other smartphones now look like antiques in comparison.
There, that answer your question?
Thanks, because of you (all) I CAN'T WAIT to receive my phone ! (I ordered it outside of the US by using a proxy)
Alright. I had the X1 as my main phone for a decent amount of time. Year and a half or two maybe (decent for me, I go through a new phone every six months). But it recently fell beyond repair and I switched to the nexus one, figuring it would be a good place to jump into that whole android world. I do like that world too, however, I miss windows mobile and I miss my Xperia. Now with the X2 floating around, I have a few questions.
1. Does anyone have any prolong Xperiance with the x2?
2. What are the major Cons?
3. What are the major improvements (user opinion) over the x1. Not just the spec list, but look and feel, and help online, roms, etc etc.
4. Would it be worth trading my nexus one for? I miss having a keyboard, and I want TV - out.
5. Lastly, TV - Out, is it horribad?
I didn't seen a x2 forumn, so I posted here, move if necessary. Thanks!
i havent had experience with it, but i know the keyboard on the X2 is much better in look and feel. i want one myself
Pros: It adds 8M camera and has a flush screen. Accelerometer. Nice new Panel interface
Cons: No conventional D-pad. Little support from XDA-Devs. High price.
I don't feel like the X2 has enough benefit to upgrade. If it was less expensive and had XDA-Dev support (it doesn't because it is not an HTC-made device so it has very different software) I would be looking to get one. Using the same processor and RAM certainly makes it harder for me to justify getting one. I'd say get a nice cheap X1 and save up for the next top-shelf model. IF you must upgrade perhaps an HD2.
P.S. I have not had hands-on time with the X2, just YouTube vids and tech reviews so my opinion is only semi-informed.
ive had the X2 for a couple months. price is no different to the X1 when it came out so id consider it no more or less expensive (and if you sell on your existing X1 then the cost to upgrade is cut in half) i got mine from ebay for £375.
ill warn you of the cons first...
battery life for me is quite bad but i can live with it. the X1 wasnt that great for me to be honest so im kind of used to it. expect to charge it daily.
at the moment the firmware isnt quite up to scratch but once again its no worse than the X1 was when i first had it. theres a firmware update due this month so hopefully that will sort a lot of the problems.
loss of the dpad, but you get used to it. i find i use the touchscreen more anyway.
as mentioned before, no support for XDA-devs so if youre into replacing roms every five mins youll be dissappointed. but a lot X1 software still works on the X2, just not everything.
the hardware inside is the same as the X1 so dont expect any major speed improvements when using software. but i was happy enough with the speed of the X1 anyway so not a problem for me.
currently theres no front camera for videocalling and no FM radio support but these will both be activated in the forthcoming update.
Pros.
construction is far superior. back to the quality i expect from sony.
i find the overall design much better and more attractive. the curved back makes it look smaller and less of a brick even though its near enough the same size. side by side with my X1 it makes the X1 look very dated indeed.
keyboard has a very nice feel to it. ive not used it long enough to detect any problems but im more confident it will last.time will tell of course. the keys arent squidgy or crunch when pressed. when its opened it feels reassuringly tight as it slides and snaps into place. the x1 felt more sloppy and when opened didnt feel all that sturdy.
the screen is a tiny bit larger but is much clearer and sharper. its also flush with the body which a lot of people wanted.
it currently has wm 6.5 and soon to have wm 6.5.2 and then wm 6.5.3 in a couple of months.
the overall experience is much better. the X1 always felt to me that it was a pocketpc with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. the X2 has a much better dialer and phone interface. feels like a proper phone now.
improved camera, ive not used it much but seems better from the few times ive used it. (although the multishot function doesnt work, id imagine this is one of the bug fixes in the upcoming update)
ive not used the tvout so cant really comment, not something id use to be honest.
i liked my X1 but it was falling apart, so im pleased i upgraded to the X2. if you wish to return to the xperia experience then i think you would be happy, just dont expect any major upgrades. consider it more of an X1.5 and then you wont be dissappointed. between a cheap X1 and the more expensive X2 then id definately recommend the X2 (unless the X1 was very very cheap of course.lol) dont pay any more than £400 ($700) theres plenty available for less than that price.
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ive had the X2 for a couple months. price is no different to the X1 when it came out so id consider it no more or less expensive (and if you sell on your existing X1 then the cost to upgrade is cut in half) i got mine from ebay for £375.
ill warn you of the cons first...
battery life for me is quite bad but i can live with it. the X1 wasnt that great for me to be honest so im kind of used to it. expect to charge it daily.
at the moment the firmware isnt quite up to scratch but once again its no worse than the X1 was when i first had it. theres a firmware update due this month so hopefully that will sort a lot of the problems.
loss of the dpad, but you get used to it. i find i use the touchscreen more anyway.
as mentioned before, no support for XDA-devs so if youre into replacing roms every five mins youll be dissappointed. but a lot X1 software still works on the X2, just not everything.
the hardware inside is the same as the X1 so dont expect any major speed improvements when using software. but i was happy enough with the speed of the X1 anyway so not a problem for me.
currently theres no front camera for videocalling and no FM radio support but these will both be activated in the forthcoming update.
Pros.
construction is far superior. back to the quality i expect from sony.
i find the overall design much better and more attractive. the curved back makes it look smaller and less of a brick even though its near enough the same size. side by side with my X1 it makes the X1 look very dated indeed.
keyboard has a very nice feel to it. ive not used it long enough to detect any problems but im more confident it will last.time will tell of course. the keys arent squidgy or crunch when pressed. when its opened it feels reassuringly tight as it slides and snaps into place. the x1 felt more sloppy and when opened didnt feel all that sturdy.
the screen is a tiny bit larger but is much clearer and sharper. its also flush with the body which a lot of people wanted.
it currently has wm 6.5 and soon to have wm 6.5.2 and then wm 6.5.3 in a couple of months.
the overall experience is much better. the X1 always felt to me that it was a pocketpc with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. the X2 has a much better dialer and phone interface. feels like a proper phone now.
improved camera, ive not used it much but seems better from the few times ive used it. (although the multishot function doesnt work, id imagine this is one of the bug fixes in the upcoming update)
ive not used the tvout so cant really comment, not something id use to be honest.
i liked my X1 but it was falling apart, so im pleased i upgraded to the X2. if you wish to return to the xperia experience then i think you would be happy, just dont expect any major upgrades. consider it more of an X1.5 and then you wont be dissappointed. between a cheap X1 and the more expensive X2 then id definately recommend the X2 (unless the X1 was very very cheap of course.lol) dont pay any more than £400 ($700) theres plenty available for less than that price.
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nice to hear from an x2 owner, wanted to ask about the included earphones sound quality, is it any good and could you recommend a place one could be got for less than 400£
the included headphones arent too bad. depends how much of an audiophile you are! theyre the in ear type but not the ones that go deep into your ear. i actually kept hold of the X1 headphones as i was used to them. but sound wise theyre very similar. i thought it would be better to sell on unused headphones with my x1. i found the sound quality was much better using pocketplayer rather than the supplied media player. pocket player has dsp plugins with bass boosters and equalizers etc. sony of course are famous for the walkman brand so do know a tiny bit about music lol. they wouldnt package anything too cheap and nasty. i would say theyre a decent mid range set and personally im quite happy with the sound quality. the x2 has a standard 3.5mm jack of course so you can always use a different set of headphones.
i got my X2 from ebay. theres plenty on there right now for just under £400. i was lucky to get one privately which was about £50 cheaper than the rest. i dont think they knew the value of what they where selling
this one is currently £370
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-Ericsson...MobilePhones_MobilePhones?hash=item335b24f895
theres plenty of others for around £389 - 399. most from hongkong though but they do tend to give away some free goodies. theres currently an X2 on auction for around £200 but i think its a used one.
thanks for the information on the earphones and also the ebay listings. good to hear the audio quality is decent. hopefully i'll get my hands on one soon.
Me finally and hopefully this week.
lol i hope i havent bigged up the headphones too much if youre going to listen to music then hunt down pocketplayer... its not too hard to find theres a big difference in the sound quality compared to wmp and looks very good when its full of albums with the cover art. probably my top recommended software for any wm phone to be honest.
Haha. Thanks for all the thoughts... Though I still can't decide. I LOVED my X1. It did fall apart however. The earpiece stopped working, (had to do calls on speakerphone or bluetooth). Then the flash stopped working for a little, but I managed to fix that. Recently it stopped working again. Whats funny is the case is cracked up, and stuff isn't working, but the screen (with no screen protecter EVER) Is still pristine.
X2 should be just as awesome, though I like the whole changing roms thing, and xda has been so helpful with my x1. I do like my Nexus one and the whole 1ghz processor and android has been fun. Though I think I may trade it for the x2 to help cover the cost We'll see. If any of you all are interested in that trade, send me a PM. I'm not quite set on it yet, but it's possible.
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Haha. Thanks for all the thoughts... Though I still can't decide. I LOVED my X1. It did fall apart however. The earpiece stopped working, (had to do calls on speakerphone or bluetooth). Then the flash stopped working for a little, but I managed to fix that. Recently it stopped working again. Whats funny is the case is cracked up, and stuff isn't working, but the screen (with no screen protecter EVER) Is still pristine.
X2 should be just as awesome, though I like the whole changing roms thing, and xda has been so helpful with my x1. I do like my Nexus one and the whole 1ghz processor and android has been fun. Though I think I may trade it for the x2 to help cover the cost We'll see. If any of you all are interested in that trade, send me a PM. I'm not quite set on it yet, but it's possible.
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Rick'
What are the downsides to Android compared to WM 6.5.5? A lot of are thinking of making the jump now that WP7 sounds like a half-ass iPhone. Any thoughts?
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What are the downsides to Android compared to WM 6.5.5? A lot of are thinking of making the jump now that WP7 sounds like a half-ass iPhone. Any thoughts?
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Well, and I read this a lot, noticed it with my nexus, android doesn't seem quite as mature as winmo, and a lot of the good stuff requires a rooted phone which of course voids the warranty. Everything I ever used the phone was there though (phone, message, email, gmail (two different apps, wasn't streamlined, didn't have an issue though), web access (no flash yet), games (always love all of gamevils games i'll pay for em), and ftp access to my webserver.) I didn't like androids soft keyboard when compared to my old iphone 3gs. Game selection wasn't all that great, but apps were still solid, many of them at least. Other then that though, no issues. I think I've tried every Mobile OS on at least a few phones except a few, and Android is definitely tied up there with windows mobile.
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Well, and I read this a lot, noticed it with my nexus, android doesn't seem quite as mature as winmo, and a lot of the good stuff requires a rooted phone which of course voids the warranty. Everything I ever used the phone was there though (phone, message, email, gmail (two different apps, wasn't streamlined, didn't have an issue though), web access (no flash yet), games (always love all of gamevils games i'll pay for em), and ftp access to my webserver.) I didn't like androids soft keyboard when compared to my old iphone 3gs. Game selection wasn't all that great, but apps were still solid, many of them at least. Other then that though, no issues. I think I've tried every Mobile OS on at least a few phones except a few, and Android is definitely tied up there with windows mobile.
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Thanks, dude, that's helpful.
Hi there,
I really don't know where I should post this, but I really need some first hand advice about the HD2 from people who own and use the device.
I am not a newcomer to Windows mobile and have used several touch and non-touch handsets (the most recent being the XPeria x1), and I was never too overtly enthused by WinMo's multimedia capabilites. I currently use an iPhone 3GS and I want to change my phone.
My main requirements (except telephony) are:
1) Music Playback (I travel a lot and use my phone as a dedicated music player)
2) A really fluid and fast interface
3) Wi Fi
As you can see, the iphone sufficed for all the above functions, but the screen and sleek form factor on the HD2 is really tempting me.
How good is it as a music player (I've been using an iPhone so a comparison would be helpful). I use middle range in-ears (V-Moda Vibe).
How fluid is the interface?
How good is it as an all round device?
I would really appreciate it if anyone helps me out on my queries, as I don't intend to splurge a whole lot of cash on a disappointing device.
Thanks in advance
The HD2 is no iPod that's for sure, with SRS WowHD it's slightly better, but I still carry my iPod from time to time if I want to listen to music for more than an hour or so.
The interface is very nice with you have CoOkies Hometab installed, and with the LeoCpuSpeed v3 cab you can keep the processor at 1Ghz that will ensure it's super smooth all the time. (Otherwise the processor uses auto underclocking and drops the speed to 768Mhz.)
The Wi-Fi is excellent, it supports tethering and you can also use the HD2 as a wireless router to connect your other devices to a fast HSDPA (If you have HSDPA in your area ) network.
Well, depending on which cooked ROM you're gonna be using (stock ROMs, well, you know), how many 3rd party apps you're gonna install, and how exactly do you define "really fluid" and "fast".
And, first of all, what are there that you're not satisfied with your current i-Phone?
Thanks for all your replies...
I'm just bored of my iPhone, otherwise there's no problem with it. And I'm sick of salivating at the pics of the HD2 I find on the net, so I thought, what the hell, let's sell this off and buy an HD2. But its quite expensive here where I live (I live in India) so I thought let's ask the guys at XDA what they thought of the phone
I am really looking for an iPhone replacement in terms of music playback,quality, battery life and interface fluidity. The other baggage that comes with it (after all its WinMo), I could live with, and I enjoy tweaking and tinkering with phones (I did so with all phones I've owned except the iPhone). I just don't want to be let down on the road with a bad battery, freezing interface or choppy/lagging/bad quality music playback.
meet_death said:
Thanks for all your replies...
I'm just bored of my iPhone, otherwise there's no problem with it. And I'm sick of salivating at the pics of the HD2 I find on the net, so I thought, what the hell, let's sell this off and buy an HD2. But its quite expensive here where I live (I live in India) so I thought let's ask the guys at XDA what they thought of the phone
I am really looking for an iPhone replacement in terms of music playback,quality, battery life and interface fluidity. The other baggage that comes with it (after all its WinMo), I could live with, and I enjoy tweaking and tinkering with phones (I did so with all phones I've owned except the iPhone). I just don't want to be let down on the road with a bad battery, freezing interface or choppy/lagging/bad quality music playback.
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Well you're not gonna get a good battery life that's for sure! And as I said music playback isn't excellent because, well, it's not an iPod.
So, as I understand, I should stick with the iPhone and not dwelve into WinMo territory. I remember throwing away my Xperia in disgust once, when it hung trying to receive a call moments after I hung up from another call.
Too bad, the phone really looks ravishing, a real headturner.
Any other opinions are welcome.
Thanks
meet_death said:
So, as I understand, I should stick with the iPhone and not dwelve into WinMo territory. I remember throwing away my Xperia in disgust once, when it hung trying to receive a call moments after I hung up from another call.
Too bad, the phone really looks ravishing, a real headturner.
Any other opinions are welcome.
Thanks
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I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......
I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....
conantroutman said:
I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......
I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....
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Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
meet_death said:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
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Ahhh.... I did not realise that......
meet_death said:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
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Just go for the iPhone 4 when it's out.
seriously go for the iphone 4, i saved up for a while to get an hd2, and while its more customizable then the iphone i had before, i have to admit i miss my iphone, the only thing holding me back from getting another iphone is selling my hd2, well that my 2 cents, take it or leave it haha
Dude, I've never owned an iPhone, just iPods and several HTC phones. HTC has had one bug for YEARS that absolutely drives me nuts, but nobody else seems to mind it...... If you're iTunes Library imports your tunes in AAC (m4a) format, HTC's Audiomanager will NOT be able to put the songs of an album into track order. Every time the audio manager scans your SD card it will put the songs in a different order, thus, if you want to listen to songs on an album in the order that the artist inteneded, you will have to create a playlist. So annoying. Also, no smart playlists in the audio manager, no updated playcounts in iTunes and large collections of music can take a while to scroll through.
Having said all that, I love my HD2 and the community here have done so much to make it (and other HTC devices) chuffing fab ; )
I think you need to weigh up how important the iTunes/iPhone music player experience is to you and just how much tinkering you want to do to make your device unique.
And besides, if you get an HD2 you can also use it to wake board on and fend off knife wielding muggers.... Don't ever drop it on a bare toe, side on. No really, don't, it's embarrassingly painful. You will cry.
meet_death said:
Thanks for all your replies...
I'm just bored of my iPhone, otherwise there's no problem with it. And I'm sick of salivating at the pics of the HD2 I find on the net, so I thought, what the hell, let's sell this off and buy an HD2. But its quite expensive here where I live (I live in India) so I thought let's ask the guys at XDA what they thought of the phone
I am really looking for an iPhone replacement in terms of music playback,quality, battery life and interface fluidity. The other baggage that comes with it (after all its WinMo), I could live with, and I enjoy tweaking and tinkering with phones (I did so with all phones I've owned except the iPhone). I just don't want to be let down on the road with a bad battery, freezing interface or choppy/lagging/bad quality music playback.
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So, bored people are easy target for gadget marketing propaganda.
Music playback, quality, battery life and interface fluidity are all the high words used by so-called reviewers that are really hard to quantify and measure. You just have to be realistic and reasonable.
conantroutman said:
I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......
I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....
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This person is very wise. His statement is true with smartphones, true with things that money can buy, and especially true with life itself.
meet_death said:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
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Has there been any death reported in India just because one doesn't own an iPhone? So, it's all about mind control.
dont listen to the wanna be gadget pros here saying "stick with your iphone" or something. look at reviews balance facts its gonna be your phone not anyone elses
I had an Iphone which I used it for 3 years ,gave it to my wife and switched over to HD2 some 10 weeks ago.
The reason:In my advanced age,(cant tell you exactly how old) but can give you a hint,over 70!!.I was seriously worried of getting Alzheimers, so needed something customizable to occupy my time with,besides chess,so got the HD2.
so here is my oppinion if any value:
1-Music:after installing both the SRSWOWHD and the football_Audiobooster Equalizer Fix I can tell is as good as if not better than iphone,
2-watching video is a joy,after installing the Chainfire drivers and LeoCpuSpeed no video converting hassle any more with TCPMP.
3-screen size .no going back to 3.5 after using the 4.3.
4-very good camera.
5-I dont remember what was your other question but WIFI is great as it is the Opera 9.7.
IE is like shi## since the only reason to use it is for the purpose of Adobe Flash which in its turn doesnt work well due to Adobe not figuring out how to use its Flash on Touchscreens instead of a mouse cursor, and also for very heavy memory requierments.
All in all I like HD2 more than Iphone but I advice you to wait for the iphone 4 as recomended by some posters here,as you said ,because of its resale value,I was also going to add because of its simplicity too, but since the current Chess world champion is Anand from India will ommit that.