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Been playing with my hero the past 5 days but...

Im now torn on whether to keep it or send it back. I got a brown sim free one delivered on friday morning after.much delibration and hesitation.
The hardware is very nice and solidly built...at least mine was. No gaps or anything of the sort.
Android and sense are both great...love them and I love the market place, which in my opinion is superior to the app store since.most apps are free and policy is less...draconian
I want to keep the device I really do.but its just not polished.enough and i know once the novelty wears off and reality sets in i'll most likely be frustrated when using it daily
I've noticed several issues:
-The keyboard works well for the most part with little lag but the spacebar sensitivity/responsiveness could be better. I still make more errors than I do on my iPhone as it loves giving me a period instead of a space
-During calls there's this annoying hiss that gives me a headache.
-Also during calls, sound gets distorted.if you raise the.volume beyond a.certain point and it makesit impossible to hear the other party properly
-Lags/stutters although mine doesn't seem as bad as others have pointed out. Just 1-2sec lags/jerkiness. However it becomes slightly more apparent when browsing the web and viewing photo albums.
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
Anyway like I said I really wantto.keepthe phone but I wantedto know how HTC handles their updates. Apple is very.much on the ball when it.comes to updates in my experience,they optimize, fix bugs and.add.features so you know you're well covered. Does HTC do.the.same.or doyou have to.suck it up and.live with what is shipped to you
If HTC do it like Apple then i'll keep the phone. Otherwise, it means my switch to Android will haveto wait a while yet
Ps the reason my post reads.funny is because.I'm.typing this from.the device and.going back to fix every error.is a.PITA

Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.

kiz said:
Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Yeah i have done the keyboard calibration which is why i'm surprised its still finicky. *Shrug*

-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.

El Droid said:
sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?

Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.

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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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Agreed and yeah...i'm starting to think this might be the way things end up unfortunately
tatwamasi said:
Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
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Its not my hearing i've never reached the max volume on my iPods/iPhones but frequently have to do so with the Hero. Maybe its specific to my unit.
robboy said:
Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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I typed my post exclusively in landscape mode. I wouldn't even try portrait...unless for short text messages

I will admit that I'm quite confused regarding the lag issues. It does not seem to effect everyone and the ones it does effect consider a problem that if it were solved, the phone would be a fantastic upgrade from an iphone 3g or 2g. At times I hear it is just the live widgets, other times I hear it is just the software in general during media playback and browsing. I honestly don't know what to think and would love to have a means to test a hero as it is now. I'm not gonna upgrade to a 3gs...I'm still considering the hero but I'm going to wait for the software update and to see how things process for it on xda. I really see the potential in android and that is where I would like to stay if all works out..but I'm not so clear about the hero. Given my options and my needs, the the lag can be address with code optimization, then I think the hero is the best choice for me at this point. we'll see. if you're interested in selling it, let know price via PM. If you're any where near south central PA, perhaps I could give the thing a test run first if you don't mind.

I had the Hero, I could wait to get it. I was like a five year old waiting for santa! Anyway, bit dissapointed in it so reluctantly took it back and bought a PAYG iphone 3GS from O2.
Installed redSnow to jailbreak, then ultrasn0w to unlock and now i'm using it on Vodafone. Thank god for the iphone dev team.
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
http://justflikwalk.deviantart.com/art/iVillain-Beta-128791945
http://modmyi.com/forums/attachment...1247179088-beta-release-ivillain-img_0053.png
Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?

I agree crappy music playback is terrible. speed is OK, quite laggy compared to an iphone 3G but bearable. Apparantly a rom update will arrive soon.
I'm thinking of returning to an iphone as well. No equalizer is like it's 1999.

mwatson said:
Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
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Maybe so but its also piracy

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Maybe so but its also piracy
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....and you have a problem with this?

The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.

megaoptimus said:
I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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you can transfer all sorts of files uising wifi discover. It turns the iphone into a wireless usb stick. If you transfer an mp3 it'll play it on the phone. Thats what i do. There is al alternative to itunes on Cydia. Even if you couldn't do that, the sacrifice is a small price to pay when you concider the iphone 3GS is just so slick.
Why can't other manufactures achieve what Apple has done here? Did they back engineer the iphone from a UFO wreck in Navada? BTW i'm no iphone fanboy. I've had HTC devices from the first orange SPV in 2003 right up to The Hero. There is no getting away from it, Palm, Samsung, HTC whoever just can't get close to Apple right now.

Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s

rickyb90 said:
Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
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I never even took the stock earbuds out of the box. Been alternating between V-Moda Vibe Duos and Bose Quiet Comforts

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The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place.....multitasking...
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.

Switchbitch said:
Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
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If you don't count playing music whilst browsing the web or any other task, and background checking your email / calendar sync... but it sure sounds like multitasking to me
And all because you can't choose other apps to have open in the background dosn't mean it can't multitask 'at all'. And lord just look at the Hero (slowwww/laggggg) as a case point why multitasking might not always be the best way to go about a mobile phone operating system.

I don't know if talking about lag is a valid point as I, and many others have experienced no lag at all, even during intense useage.
Personally, I understand that many people are experiencing lag issues but I'm keen to see what happens with this update coming out soon.
And background processing/multitasking is absoultely vital for a smartphone OS.

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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Goto Cydia > download "Backgrounder" and multitask as much as you want!
I'm a techy too, but the Hero just doesn't impress. Jailbreak an iphone and become a geeky as you want. Widgets on lock screen and the springboard.
The iphone apps are like a 100 years ahead of android! one day android will be great. Just not today.

Long time WM user thinking of jumping to Android, looking at Milestone & Nexus...

As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA)
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?

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As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA.
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?
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Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!

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Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!
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Thanx for the reply... one question. What about the keyboard? The keyboard on the Fuze was pretty good, and now your typing on a screen. Was it an easy transition?

the milestone HW keyboard sucks from what i've heard. definatly go with the nexus one.

just went to my local Best Buy to checkout a Droid, but they dont have any Verizons phones there. My nearest Verizon dealer is over 20 miles away, dunno if I wanna go that far just to play with a Droid...

I recently switched from my WM devices to a Nexus One and it's been very exciting. The phone does everything, easy transition, faster cpu, smoother, endless customizing, and the virtual KB is cool (once u get use to it).

I went from a sidekick to winmo(MDA - custom roms) for a couple of years to my G1 when that came out, I am a hard keyboard fanatic. So the MyTouch I got I was sure I would hate, I have 2 lines and while I still used my G1 as my main line I started to get used to the soft keyboard. Then came my decision of Droid vs Nexus or wait, I thought about waiting to see when/if they would release a version of the Nexus One with keyboard but then I decided to just buy it and worse case if they come out with one then I'll just sell it and buy that I guess. But i dont really have any complaints, the soft keyboard is actually pretty decent in landscape mode you really get used to it after a bit. In my opinion the minor concern of the keyboard is far outweighed by its overall performance. If they came out with a keyboard version yes id sell this to buy that, i love hard keyboards. However I would rather stay with this than have the droid. I think the droids pretty cool, 2 of my friends have it and I really like it but after using this beast I cant imagine using anything slower.

Well so far it seems the general consensus is I would get used to the soft keyboard, so I'm kinda over my fear of that. Now all thats left is my fear of leaving WM behind.
Also I forgot to mention, I'm on AT&T, so if I ditch my Tilt 2 for the Nexus, 3G is out the window. BUT, in my area I only ever usually see speeds around 400-600kbps, and Edge speeds of 200ish kbps. So I really wouldn't be losing all that much. I lived with it before when I had the G1, and my euro TP2. I have no idea when the evil empire (apple) will let att get any android phones, and I don't wanna wait.
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)

I have a Fuze(and the hermes and kaiser previously) running the latest energyrom as well and my Nexus One will be here tomorrow. I'll report back after I play with it a bit. I can already tell ya that I'm bummed about the lack of BT voice dialing but I'm hoping they add it in future updates. I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
I also will be starting with the phone on ATT for a few days before I switch to tmobile. I'm hoping the 3g issue gets resolved on tmobile.
PS I like the screen name

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I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
PS I like the screen name
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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.

BoostedSR20 said:
Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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worthwhile upgrade. race, drag, or street app?

BoostedSR20 said:
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)
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I am able set up my office email on my Magic so this should not be a problem.

i went from the dash (oldschool wm 2g phone) to the n1... wow what a difference, i feel like ive moved from the stone age straight into the iron age
i will admit i can type much faster on a physical keyboard but the softkeyboard is not bad, specially if you use landscape mode most of the time, i am ever improving... just takes getting used to

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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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What car?
You'll need a decent intake mani for the 2J
Back to the OP, I heard that a hardware keyboard version is planned. Was mentioned by google I think.
Also, have you considered the xperia x10?
I'm going to wait and see how it turns out......

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw

I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the N1, just gonna see where this thread goes a little longer....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
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Very Clean, I've always loved those cars. I'm only making ~270 at the wheels for now but it weighs under 1900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jliRppFN0EE

Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?

a lot of ppl here went from a 500 mhz windows phone to a 1gz android phone so of course it will be worlds apart.
try winmo on a snapdragon phone (TG01, HTC HD2) and things become so much better. Well depends what's available where you are - in the UK we get a lot of the good phones 1st simply because we have a compatible network.
I of course think I'm somebody and use two phones - a TG01 and a G1 (soon will be a N1 owner). As to which one becomes my regular phone - likely be the android phone - while the TG01 will be relegated to my media player. There is still nothng out there that can compare to the media quality of a snapdragon WinMo phone - Coreplayer players divx/xvid , streams and plays more audio formats.
Android still lacks any decent video playback and still stuck in the .mp4/3gp world. (Yes I can't be bothered to convert my vid files - why should I?)
Of course I am waiting the day when there will be the all in one phone and checking out the highlights of CES 2010 3 phones stuck out (google these):
the new unnamed Samsung running android with exact same specs as the Nexus (and with possible divx/xvid playback!)
the new Lenovo phone - lePhone running android with attchable modular keyboard CPU unknown...
The new LG phone - which I think was snapdragon - with 4.5 inch screen? More a MID or tablet but pretty sweet...
Ok there was news that winmo7 is coming end of march too but no demos..maybe at the MWC next month..

BoostedSR20 said:
Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?
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Yup... Make folder on the root drive as follows
media -> audio -> alarms
media -> audio -> notifications
media -> audio -> ringtones
If you put any mp3 on these folders, it will be alarms/notifications/ringtones respectively.
Also, they won't show up in the Music players if they're in these folders.

Had high hopes for N1 but disappointed

Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!

That's $707.25... I can buy a new on and have it sent overnight for ~$600.
Not trying to troll or anything, just a tip if you plan on selling it to anybody in the US.

I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it

To bad it did not work out for U...mine keeps getting better by the day! Well best of luck to ya selling it at that price...

I am going to bite my tongue... your logic is very flawed in many ways.

It may not be a rip off when you include the VAT he would have had to pay. We can get it cheaper here in the U.S. sure, but what is the total bill (including VAT) for someone in the U.K.?
IRT sound quality the speaker phone is utter crap but music is not bad if you have a decent set of headphones attached.

It sounds about right. My total came up about £441 after the VAT.
I agree re speaker sound but I'm saving up for QC 15 and I hope it will sound good enough not to buy an dedicated player.

I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?

Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.

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I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
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Try smart keyboard pro from the market

I will admit, the speaker on the N1 is not that great.

bofslime said:
Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
I also thought that having a 5 megapixel camera (with flash) would make the phone an awesome device to take pictures with, it seems to me you simply wanted to complain, then sell the device - and this seemed to be the correct place to do it. I know that I'm wrong, but thats my 2 cents on the matter..

I use my N1 for music all the time, and think it sounds great. In the dock over bluetooth to my computer's speakers it sounds great. With my QC2's plugged in it sounds like I'm in da club.
The speakerphone is a speakerphone...I don't expect 5.1 out of it. What's with people???
I hate the standard OSK, so I installed the HTC-IME, and love it! Why do people quit so easily these days when we have SO many options?

xspyda said:
Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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Wow, what an idiot.
From the other thread:
I have listed my brand new Nexus One on eBay, simply because the speaker is not loud enough for me having come from the Nokia 5800.
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So your only reason, let me rephrase, the ***ONLY*** reason you are returning it is because the speaker is not loud enough?
A) There is an audio hack in the works that will make the N1 MUCH louder than your Nokia, guaranteed. Here are the links for the N1 (in production) and G1 hacks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517745
B) Why don't you try using the rest of the phone???
C) You're selling it for $175 more than the unsubsidized cost. WTF????
This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time.
????????

He's right in that the phone's speaker does leave something to be desired--Nokia phones generally have higher-equality speakers, what with them taking their "music phones" awfully seriously (I came to the N1 from the 5730 Xpressmusic: ****ty phone in every way but playback quality). It's a shame their devices aren't good for much else. Well, except durability. Those little buggers can withstand a lot of abuse.

I find it amazing that just because of the speaker he's prepared to loose all the other fantastic benefits of this amazing device... but still, different people, different priorities I guess. Myself I bought an £8 Veho360, very small and makes the music/podcasts sound like they're coming from a Hi Fi (Well, not quite... )
On the price, it is a bit cheeky he's trying to then make a profit. Mine cost £355 shipped and I may get a £60 VAT receipt soon. Having said that, there are peope on eBay asking £500 for it... I assume some idiots pay that.

Yeah, I wish my speaker was louder too (because I prefer to carry only one device to act as phone, tiny computer, media player and all) but it's far from a dealbreaker. Listening to music on it while out in public places is obnoxious, anyway, so I use the headphone.
Speaking of which, many people in countries other than the US/UK/Singapore/Hong Kong are quite willing to pay in the region of $600-800 for the phone. Makes me wish I'd ordered a few extra. Would've made a tidy profit.

xspyda said:
Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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I have to say this is way off the mark.
firstly the 5800 is rubbish. I had one and the earphone volume was ultra low until you pushed the case. Faulty connection in 90% of 5800's made. the OS is a nasty mess of s60v3 and touch. Sometimes you need single touch, sometimes you need double touch.
The contruction quality is poor, to be charitable.
You might be right about the sound quality, I gave my 5800 back within 2 days so never really tried it. but HTC devices normally have pretty good sound, perhaps a third party player with different codec might improve, or further roms might improve in the future.
On every other stat I wouldn't even bother to compare the 5800 to the N1

melterx12 said:
I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
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Not a ripoff if he sell it in the UK, and he will know there is no way a US citizen is gonna buy it, why would they?
They are selling on eBay for more than that over here.
Kev

Eclair~ said:
I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
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A bit unfair on the guy, I agree the speaker is silly bad, and why? Nokia can and do put some nice speakers in some phones, 5800 and N95's come to mind as brilliant, and some stinkers a bad as the N1, like the E72, N97, N97 mini.
Even the iPhone speaker from flipping 3 years ago sounds quite nice when you have no choice but to use it instead of headphones.
Kev

Should I buy an HD2? Please help me..

Hi there,
I really don't know where I should post this, but I really need some first hand advice about the HD2 from people who own and use the device.
I am not a newcomer to Windows mobile and have used several touch and non-touch handsets (the most recent being the XPeria x1), and I was never too overtly enthused by WinMo's multimedia capabilites. I currently use an iPhone 3GS and I want to change my phone.
My main requirements (except telephony) are:
1) Music Playback (I travel a lot and use my phone as a dedicated music player)
2) A really fluid and fast interface
3) Wi Fi
As you can see, the iphone sufficed for all the above functions, but the screen and sleek form factor on the HD2 is really tempting me.
How good is it as a music player (I've been using an iPhone so a comparison would be helpful). I use middle range in-ears (V-Moda Vibe).
How fluid is the interface?
How good is it as an all round device?
I would really appreciate it if anyone helps me out on my queries, as I don't intend to splurge a whole lot of cash on a disappointing device.
Thanks in advance

The HD2 is no iPod that's for sure, with SRS WowHD it's slightly better, but I still carry my iPod from time to time if I want to listen to music for more than an hour or so.
The interface is very nice with you have CoOkies Hometab installed, and with the LeoCpuSpeed v3 cab you can keep the processor at 1Ghz that will ensure it's super smooth all the time. (Otherwise the processor uses auto underclocking and drops the speed to 768Mhz.)
The Wi-Fi is excellent, it supports tethering and you can also use the HD2 as a wireless router to connect your other devices to a fast HSDPA (If you have HSDPA in your area ) network.

Well, depending on which cooked ROM you're gonna be using (stock ROMs, well, you know), how many 3rd party apps you're gonna install, and how exactly do you define "really fluid" and "fast".
And, first of all, what are there that you're not satisfied with your current i-Phone?

Thanks for all your replies...
I'm just bored of my iPhone, otherwise there's no problem with it. And I'm sick of salivating at the pics of the HD2 I find on the net, so I thought, what the hell, let's sell this off and buy an HD2. But its quite expensive here where I live (I live in India) so I thought let's ask the guys at XDA what they thought of the phone
I am really looking for an iPhone replacement in terms of music playback,quality, battery life and interface fluidity. The other baggage that comes with it (after all its WinMo), I could live with, and I enjoy tweaking and tinkering with phones (I did so with all phones I've owned except the iPhone). I just don't want to be let down on the road with a bad battery, freezing interface or choppy/lagging/bad quality music playback.

meet_death said:
Thanks for all your replies...
I'm just bored of my iPhone, otherwise there's no problem with it. And I'm sick of salivating at the pics of the HD2 I find on the net, so I thought, what the hell, let's sell this off and buy an HD2. But its quite expensive here where I live (I live in India) so I thought let's ask the guys at XDA what they thought of the phone
I am really looking for an iPhone replacement in terms of music playback,quality, battery life and interface fluidity. The other baggage that comes with it (after all its WinMo), I could live with, and I enjoy tweaking and tinkering with phones (I did so with all phones I've owned except the iPhone). I just don't want to be let down on the road with a bad battery, freezing interface or choppy/lagging/bad quality music playback.
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Well you're not gonna get a good battery life that's for sure! And as I said music playback isn't excellent because, well, it's not an iPod.

So, as I understand, I should stick with the iPhone and not dwelve into WinMo territory. I remember throwing away my Xperia in disgust once, when it hung trying to receive a call moments after I hung up from another call.
Too bad, the phone really looks ravishing, a real headturner.
Any other opinions are welcome.
Thanks

meet_death said:
So, as I understand, I should stick with the iPhone and not dwelve into WinMo territory. I remember throwing away my Xperia in disgust once, when it hung trying to receive a call moments after I hung up from another call.
Too bad, the phone really looks ravishing, a real headturner.
Any other opinions are welcome.
Thanks
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I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......
I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....

conantroutman said:
I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......
I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....
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Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.

meet_death said:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
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Ahhh.... I did not realise that......

meet_death said:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
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Just go for the iPhone 4 when it's out.

seriously go for the iphone 4, i saved up for a while to get an hd2, and while its more customizable then the iphone i had before, i have to admit i miss my iphone, the only thing holding me back from getting another iphone is selling my hd2, well that my 2 cents, take it or leave it haha

Dude, I've never owned an iPhone, just iPods and several HTC phones. HTC has had one bug for YEARS that absolutely drives me nuts, but nobody else seems to mind it...... If you're iTunes Library imports your tunes in AAC (m4a) format, HTC's Audiomanager will NOT be able to put the songs of an album into track order. Every time the audio manager scans your SD card it will put the songs in a different order, thus, if you want to listen to songs on an album in the order that the artist inteneded, you will have to create a playlist. So annoying. Also, no smart playlists in the audio manager, no updated playcounts in iTunes and large collections of music can take a while to scroll through.
Having said all that, I love my HD2 and the community here have done so much to make it (and other HTC devices) chuffing fab ; )
I think you need to weigh up how important the iTunes/iPhone music player experience is to you and just how much tinkering you want to do to make your device unique.
And besides, if you get an HD2 you can also use it to wake board on and fend off knife wielding muggers.... Don't ever drop it on a bare toe, side on. No really, don't, it's embarrassingly painful. You will cry.

meet_death said:
Thanks for all your replies...
I'm just bored of my iPhone, otherwise there's no problem with it. And I'm sick of salivating at the pics of the HD2 I find on the net, so I thought, what the hell, let's sell this off and buy an HD2. But its quite expensive here where I live (I live in India) so I thought let's ask the guys at XDA what they thought of the phone
I am really looking for an iPhone replacement in terms of music playback,quality, battery life and interface fluidity. The other baggage that comes with it (after all its WinMo), I could live with, and I enjoy tweaking and tinkering with phones (I did so with all phones I've owned except the iPhone). I just don't want to be let down on the road with a bad battery, freezing interface or choppy/lagging/bad quality music playback.
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So, bored people are easy target for gadget marketing propaganda.
Music playback, quality, battery life and interface fluidity are all the high words used by so-called reviewers that are really hard to quantify and measure. You just have to be realistic and reasonable.
conantroutman said:
I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......
I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....
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This person is very wise. His statement is true with smartphones, true with things that money can buy, and especially true with life itself.
meet_death said:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.
So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.
I am confused.
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Has there been any death reported in India just because one doesn't own an iPhone? So, it's all about mind control.

dont listen to the wanna be gadget pros here saying "stick with your iphone" or something. look at reviews balance facts its gonna be your phone not anyone elses

I had an Iphone which I used it for 3 years ,gave it to my wife and switched over to HD2 some 10 weeks ago.
The reason:In my advanced age,(cant tell you exactly how old) but can give you a hint,over 70!!.I was seriously worried of getting Alzheimers, so needed something customizable to occupy my time with,besides chess,so got the HD2.
so here is my oppinion if any value:
1-Music:after installing both the SRSWOWHD and the football_Audiobooster Equalizer Fix I can tell is as good as if not better than iphone,
2-watching video is a joy,after installing the Chainfire drivers and LeoCpuSpeed no video converting hassle any more with TCPMP.
3-screen size .no going back to 3.5 after using the 4.3.
4-very good camera.
5-I dont remember what was your other question but WIFI is great as it is the Opera 9.7.
IE is like shi## since the only reason to use it is for the purpose of Adobe Flash which in its turn doesnt work well due to Adobe not figuring out how to use its Flash on Touchscreens instead of a mouse cursor, and also for very heavy memory requierments.
All in all I like HD2 more than Iphone but I advice you to wait for the iphone 4 as recomended by some posters here,as you said ,because of its resale value,I was also going to add because of its simplicity too, but since the current Chess world champion is Anand from India will ommit that.

Converts ahoy!

So both my parents and 2 of my brothers use iphones (various flavors except the iphone 4)...but all of them have been jealous of my Nexus One since I got it, none of them even want the iphone 4 since they've already seen what my n1 is capable of, and I just helped my dad order his very own today.
Just thought I'd share =)

MaximReapage said:
So both my parents and 2 of my brothers use iphones (various flavors except the iphone 4)...but all of them have been jealous of my Nexus One since I got it, none of them even want the iphone 4 since they've already seen what my n1 is capable of, and I just helped my dad order his very own today.
Just thought I'd share =)
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Congrats, they wont regret it.

What were the big things that won them over?

My 50+ (cough) year old mum was the same.
She even went and bought it from google a few months back without my even knowing. It was the speed that she loved. And all the handy little apps/features. Like the app for videoing while its in the car dock.

Former iPhone user here. Bought an iPhone 4 this morning just to see how I liked it. I couldn't be happier to have a nexus! The screen on the 4 is certainly nice, but the colors and saturation on the Nexus are still much better, and the OS flexibility can't be beat. Recently converted my girlfriend too

Wife is getting an Aria today, has a 3G right now. She just liked the way my Nexus felt, how it can be tweaked and adjusted easily. She's not a big techie, and she has her reservations (itunes, apps she uses, etc) but I'm getting those details ironed out for her.
I'll be glad to finally have buying her the damned iphone for her birthday a few years ago off my conscience. She really wanted it, but I felt like a tool buying it regardless.

Very nice. Good work!
I have a family member that loves it, but they've been using a Mac for so long they have tons of contacts and itunes junk that they insist they can only use an iphone for... but refuse to get off verizon. It's frustrating because they really like android and all it can do, but are limiting themselves to staying in such a small world.
Everyone else I show it to, loves it and would get it right now if they could afford it.

I would say don't push too hard. I'm an Android developer, so obviously I want as many handsets in as many hands as possible. But the platform is still immature when compared to iOS (I cannot comment on Froyo).
There are some very fundamental ui caveats still lurking within Android, and attempting to 'convert' non-techie relatives who enjoy Apple's idiot-proof experience may put them off the platform in the future when it gets a bit more user friendly (I hear this is the main goal of Gingerbread).
But, if they're willing to put up with the occasional task-management and UI bugs, I'm all for expanding the Android flock, ye.

Made a few of my friends and family convert too. Specially after this.
Just tested out my coworkers iphone 4. I am very impressed with the camera and noticed how clear the text are in the browser, everything else though my Froyo Frf85 Nexus just dominated.
Here are basis of my comparison:
-Iphone looks real gorgeous, maybe a little bit sexier than the nexus.
-Iphone 4 multi touch is a lot better than the nexus.
-Checkered image when you scroll down really fast on the iphone browser.
-Iphone virtual keyboard is more refined.
-Youtube video quality is noticeably better on the Nexus
-Web Browsing on the Nexus is a lot faster than the iphone, 5-10second difference even with flash on.
-Camera on the iPhone 4 is better, but its a close call.
-Customization on the iphone is still limited.
-Multi tasking is limited on the iphone 4, I probably wasn't using it right but it stopped the music after a certain number of apps opened.
-Market apps on the iphone are ridiculously expensive.
-Sound quality are about the same. I have a kernel with audio hack so that's probably why.
-App rendering is obviously faster with JIT.
Other things:
-OTA is not available for iPhone, you will need a comp to update.
-Market apps are expensive and not refundable on the iPhone.
-I love the trackball on the nexus. I use it a lot.
-Navigation on the Nexus is free and would compare to the 50$ navigation app for the iPhone.
-Flash support on the nexus.
-Tethering for the Nexus.
-Speed advantage on the Nexus.
That's all I can think of for now.

koolin said:
What were the big things that won them over?
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Flexibility/customization, Android-specific apps (quickdesk, y5, locale, etc) coming unlocked, 1 GHz CPU, Google Navigation, Flash, high-res screen (compared to previous iphones, obviously...still a close call with iphone 4), and the big one for my dad was the charging pins and interchangeable batteries (I take these for granted now!).

clickwir said:
I have a family member that loves it, but they've been using a Mac for so long they have tons of contacts and itunes junk that they insist they can only use an iphone for... but refuse to get off verizon. It's frustrating because they really like android and all it can do, but are limiting themselves to staying in such a small world.
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itunes you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3U2GXhz44
Start at 33 minutes =)

Yeah, once i bought my Nexus One I showed it to my co-workers and they were very interested in it. One of them I converted from a BBerry to the Eris, and another from a dumb phone to the Droid.

I never realized how Android gains my favor so quickly
nexus one has one key requirement iphone never has: ogg vorbis support (90% of music I encoded are in ogg vorbis), so I can play them right out of the box without installing ANY codec.
Now I collected official IMs for nexus one (MSN, Yahoo, AIM, and gtalk of course), can iphone do it?
After having my nexus one updated to FRF85B, I can purchase slingplayer and it can play over either 3G or wifi, can iphone do it?
Another benefit I don't use much with Froyo: native wifi tethering. This is the main reason I made a switch from WM to Android and get Nexus One. The phone is the most expensive one I ever had even it's unlocked, but this is also one of the best investment I did so far.

MaximReapage said:
itunes you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3U2GXhz44
Start at 33 minutes =)
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Yes, that is a quite nice feature. I sure hope they get it working well.
However, this person has a lot of professional contacts in their (I don't know what it's called) Mac Mail.?. And I suppose the iphone has great (as I would expect nothing less) synchronization with itunes and mail contacts.
Now, if this was someone that was just a casual user, no problem. Suck it up and re-type in your contacts in gmail. But they've got business cards, letterhead, etc etc. Now, if an Android device can integrate with that and make it as seamless (or nearly) as the iphone, they'd be on android already.

plastix said:
My 50+ (cough) year old mum was the same.
She even went and bought it from google a few months back without my even knowing. It was the speed that she loved. And all the handy little apps/features. Like the app for videoing while its in the car dock.
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What app do you use for video while in the car dock? What does the app do?

Great review, thanks.
rjhay22 said:
Made a few of my friends and family convert too. Specially after this.
Just tested out my coworkers iphone 4. I am very impressed with the camera and noticed how clear the text are in the browser, everything else though my Froyo Frf85 Nexus just dominated.
Here are basis of my comparison:
-Iphone looks real gorgeous, maybe a little bit sexier than the nexus.
-Iphone 4 multi touch is a lot better than the nexus.
-Checkered image when you scroll down really fast on the iphone browser.
-Iphone virtual keyboard is more refined.
-Youtube video quality is noticeably better on the Nexus
-Web Browsing on the Nexus is a lot faster than the iphone, 5-10second difference even with flash on.
-Camera on the iPhone 4 is better, but its a close call.
-Customization on the iphone is still limited.
-Multi tasking is limited on the iphone 4, I probably wasn't using it right but it stopped the music after a certain number of apps opened.
-Market apps on the iphone are ridiculously expensive.
-Sound quality are about the same. I have a kernel with audio hack so that's probably why.
-App rendering is obviously faster with JIT.
Other things:
-OTA is not available for iPhone, you will need a comp to update.
-Market apps are expensive and not refundable on the iPhone.
-I love the trackball on the nexus. I use it a lot.
-Navigation on the Nexus is free and would compare to the 50$ navigation app for the iPhone.
-Flash support on the nexus.
-Tethering for the Nexus.
-Speed advantage on the Nexus.
That's all I can think of for now.
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clickwir said:
Yes, that is a quite nice feature. I sure hope they get it working well.
However, this person has a lot of professional contacts in their (I don't know what it's called) Mac Mail.?. And I suppose the iphone has great (as I would expect nothing less) synchronization with itunes and mail contacts.
Now, if this was someone that was just a casual user, no problem. Suck it up and re-type in your contacts in gmail. But they've got business cards, letterhead, etc etc. Now, if an Android device can integrate with that and make it as seamless (or nearly) as the iphone, they'd be on android already.
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If iphone is capable of this, copy contacts to SIM card, then move onto phone memory on new device...it's what I did when I moved from my Fuze to my N1 =D

MaximReapage said:
If iphone is capable of this, copy contacts to SIM card, then move onto phone memory on new device...it's what I did when I moved from my Fuze to my N1 =D
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the sim card itself does not have a lot of space, basically its just a id number that the gsm company then reads and allows access to the function that are paid for based on the id number.

Blueman101 said:
the sim card itself does not have a lot of space, basically its just a id number that the gsm company then reads and allows access to the function that are paid for based on the id number.
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I just successfully copied 363 contacts from my phone memory onto my SIM card. Any idea how many contacts she has?

You can export contacts from the mac address book to gmail which then automatically syncs with the nexus and hey presto your mac contacts are on your phone. Don't know about letter heads but everything else worked for me. Google it.