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Hero vs. EVO Benchmarks

HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
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anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?

They are getting it because they are testing out Android 2.2 but it's not fully functional. It'll be here eventually.

nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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off topic, what case is that on your Evo?

booyakasha said:
off topic, what case is that on your Evo?
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It's the official HTC 2 piece hard plastic black one side other your choice of red blue titanium... being sold by Sprint

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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Honestly, there can be no way. My Hero was doing 2.1 - 2.4 on Fresh 2.1.1, "factory freaks" idea aside there cannot be phones that perform 10 times better than others of the same kind (using the same software). That would also be claiming a 6 times increase over the EVO when both are on stock ROMs.
I guess it just brings be ye olde saying, "don't believe everything you read on the internet kids".

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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wrx4memp said:
HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?
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Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine

could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine

Magnus, please don't quote such large blocks, and use standard fonts...drives me crazy.
Anyways, better performance on Evo means better utilization of hardware, which each notch up means one step closer to helping those poor battery issues.
Not to mention, who doesn't want a speedier device!?

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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quadrant is the one with the bar graph. linpack is the one giving you the mflops.

MagnusRagnarok said:
Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine
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whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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1. Quadrant
2. Linpack
3. Neocore

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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Aaaaaand time for everyone to stop and breathe.
Sense will be part of it (sense has provided a LOT of additional functionality behind the scenes that most people don't ever think about...and thusly is kinda on the fat side). The other part of it is potentially the same thing that's killing some of our batteries (The Calendar Wake Lock issue)...if it's running constantly, it's probably eating up some cycles too.

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak

kwajr said:
right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak
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EDIT: Jit cant be enabled with sense ui, as of right now. I heard cyanogen said of a way, but i havent seen it working yet.
When they run linpack and get higher numbers. They arent running sense ui or htc at all.. I as of right now, i have the highest scores for gsm hero and cdma hero that have been posted to the website (we share scores on the linpack website). I had jit enabled running an AOSP rom with an OC kernel, also known has darchdroid.
The incredible might still be running sense ui. But for the hero no.

Bye Bye Vibrant =(

So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.

Let me get out my violin.
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Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread

And when the TMO releases the new HSPA+ phone it will have a plethora of issues on its own, good luck

Just trying to save people the trouble from upgrading from their Nexus if they have one. Thanks for the violin though! ;p

I really don't set the point of these types of posts, so you are unhappy and experience issues that not everyone is. Does that mean I should annoyingly post about how great mine is working? My HD2 gave me problems everyday but I didn't post about it. My slide worked perfectly but I didn't post about it. Again gps is not everyone, I have tried the following apps:
Yelp
Yellow book
Find me
Places directory
Maps
Where
Layers
And google
ALL were able to find my location (locked)
Everything else hasn't happened to my phone yet
So really what is the point in posting that you are returning the phone, because I'm sure you have already posted the problems.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

heygrl said:
Let me get out my violin.
Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread
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Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.

If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!

Sorry you didn't like your Vibrant!
I personally have had none of those issues, in fact, I have had not one force close or restart, the phone has been on and running without a single hitch since the day it was released and I picked it up at the T-mobile store.
This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.

OolonColuphid said:
If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!
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danpaganelli said:
This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.
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I agree on both accounts. When we get 2.2 OTA or mod it will prove to be the best phone available.

Your patience (or lack thereof) got the best of you.phone had only been out a week. Name me one device that was perfect upon release? Take care and cya, I'll enjoy the vibrant for you =)
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant

What he said. ^^^^

DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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lmfao! blah 10 char!

sccpmusc26 said:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
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1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.

I think you should have waited before getting the phone in the first place. Nothing come out perfect.

I also purchased the Vibrant to use as a wireless hotspot with my iPad. I am going to give it time. I probably wouldn't have upgraded from an N1 though.

I turned on the phone and I'm not kidding I went straight to ever screen and removed every widget and turned off all but one screen. I mean I really don't need 7 screens when I use the same few apps all the time.
I think the only issue's I've noticed is.
- Camera FC on me once.
- Antenna boucing all over the place signal wise. Full Bars, half bars, no bars. Who knows, but it still works.
I think the only rock solid phone I've ever purchased and it just worked was my old Side Kick. It wasn't fancy or flashy and of course doesn't do half the stuff that these newer phones do.

For me:
Notifications keep phone awake
I get FC when I try to add picture to contact
Slow market (rooted)
Antenna bars jump left and right, but it doesnt seem to effect the signal....

It's a genuine concern. Stop getting so defensive that people are having issues. Not everyone can afford to drop $500+ every two months on the latest and greatest. A new smartphone is an investment, and if it doesn't work as advertised, that's not the fault of the consumer. Also, keep in mind, 14 days is not a lot of time. We don't even know for sure if this is something that Samsung can or will fix.
Some of you are willing to accept that risk, and trust that a fix is coming. That's fine. Some of us are not as bold when it comes to such investments.
So, yes, we may get an announcement, by the 15th day, that everything is going to be fixed and we won't have to worry. But what if that announcement never shows up? What if they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Eh, good enough"?
Well, like I said, $500+ is a lot of money to gamble when it comes to the good faith of a corporation. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit nervous about them supporting this device properly.
I love my Vibrant, save for these reception issues with the various radios. I live in one of the best coverage spots in my city, and I've been having calls go straight to voicemail all week; my GPS takes 5 minutes to even lock, and when it does, the radius is 2-4 blocks wide; the compass does not work at all, and the phone will assume I'm driving and moving when I'm stationary because of these problems. As of today, it does not appear as if either company is acknowledging the issue. That said, if a statement isn't released soon, I'll be returning it to sit on the sidelines until a fix is announced -- as much as I'd miss the display.

sccpmusc26 said:
So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.
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nick_karstedt said:
1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.
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DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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Precisely.
Go start a blog or post on the tmobile forums. Every one of your issues can be solved with patience.
Buhbye.

coolguy949 said:
Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.
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It's just getting started. Not only that, when they return the phone it'll continue to pester on. Oh x -- x and x doesn't work, it's this and that.. no, I haven't exchanged it or I've gotten 5 already and it's not going to be fixed because once I do this, that happens.. and on and on and on and on and on and..

[Q] What is your opinion?

What's going on? To let you know, I am 25 years old and trying to rationalize my decision. Maybe you can help...
Got my Epic 2 days ago. Horrible battery life and ect... tried all the fixins without root due to a 'could be' voided warranty.
I don't want a phone that I have to hack to get it to work 'right'. That isn't the way to do things.
I am to much of an idiot to figure out how to root, delete bloatware, and etc... How am I supposed to figure this stuff out with people telling you that your a 'noob' and 'search' for it...
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?

Return it and get a htc phone. I had the epic for 3 days, and really liked some of it, but really hated even more of it. Plus they fight too damn much here in the epic section.
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

These new smartphones don't get anywhere close to the battery life of old non-smart phones. I could get up to a week on my old feature phone, but a day to maybe two (when we get 2.2) is about what you can expect if you tweak a few things. Get used to plugging in your phone every night, all the power these phones have comes at a price. Plus I'm sure you're playing with your phone a lot right now since you just got it .
If you're getting bad battery life when the screen is off go into Settings>About Phone>Battery Use>Cell Standby and see what the "Time without signal says". If it's 50% or more then you have the bug, it's a common Android bug for phones without Froyo. Just toggle airplane mode on for a few seconds after you reboot your phone and it should go away.
The GPS is kind of fussy at the moment, the Epic has a problem with clearing old data out of the cache and so it has a hard time picking up satellites. There's a few workarounds to this like going into the GPS menu and changing how it starts up (personally it didn't work for me), rebooting the phone always works, but if you use the GPS a lot then it works fine. For me it worked about 70% of the time until I rooted and installed a program to clear the phone's cache every few hours, now it works 100%.
Don't be intimidated by rooting either, it's really easy now with all the good One Click setups. I did it on my Mac and it took no more then 10 minutes, unrooting is just as easy. I honestly wouldn't worry about voiding the warranty, until you get into flashing roms/kernals you won't be messing anything up if you want to root to get rid of bloatware etc.
Sprint's other phones like the Evo are nice too, but the Evo has it's own set of problems. Personally I love my SAMOLED screen and we should be getting Froyo soon.

I've only had mine for about a week or so now and I really like it. I've discovered that particularly hungry apps will kill the battery in a hurry!
other than that, this being my first smartphone I've kinda been under the assumption that if you want to carry around a powerful computer in your pocket, you're going to have to make the trade off that it will burn a lot of battery when you use it. Especially since I'm still in the "open it up every few minutes just to be amazed at the amoled screen" phase where my display is consistently the #1 battery killer by a LONG shot..
so I'd say you should give it a chance but if you don't need or want a smart phone then don't drive yourself crazy with one and get a feature phone that can text and call if that's all you really need.

Toast95135 said:
These new smartphones don't get anywhere close to the battery life of old non-smart phones.
Don't be intimidated by rooting either, it's really easy now with all the good One Click setups. I did it on my Mac and it took no more then 10 minutes, unrooting is just as easy. I honestly wouldn't worry about voiding the warranty, until you get into flashing roms/kernals you won't be messing anything up if you want to root to get rid of bloatware etc.
Sprint's other phones like the Evo are nice too, but the Evo has it's own set of problems. Personally I love my SAMOLED screen and we should be getting Froyo soon.
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Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't mind rooting the phone and have seen it done on youtube. That shouldn't be too hard. But how would I go about getting all the extra crap on there off? Does this alone improve battery life? If not, what do I delete?
Is waiting for 2.2 really going to be God sent for our phones? And will 2.2 erase all my hard work rooting it?
Thank You for your time... It means alot.

Try this... go into the "Account & sync" settings by pressing the menu button> settings> account & sync. then uncheck "auto-sync" that should increase battery, if that didn't increase battery enough for you uncheck background data as well. finally if your still not satisfied re-enable "background data" by checking it again and go to the android market and download 'QUICK SETTINGS" by Sergej Shafarenaka open it press the hardware menu button> customize and drag "Mobile data" (not the one that says APN) into "Visible settings" that way whenever you open "quick settings" you can toggle 3g on and off. with 3g off you can still text and receive and make phone calls and your battery will last over 2 days without charging. hope this help I have never rooted my epic btw.
For example this is how I have mines set up.
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And only because I don't feel like trying to produce evidence of 2+ days with my phone due to the fact that I actually like using all of the fun battery killing apps that run in the background because I have a spare battery anyway.. the only time I really ever try to maximize my battery life (and no this does NOT mean by not using my phone, because trust me i'm the perfect example of that windows phone ad im always in my phone! and i never let it die without a spare lol) is on the weekends I when I party all day & night, or some sort of rare special occasion where I know I'm not going to see a outlet for a long time.
anyway heres a example of whats possible by doing the last things i suggested (despite the fact whoever screen captured this achieved it a different way) basically disable internet whenever your not using it. just goes to show there are many ways to maximize your battery. this is just one of the ways I do it... and I feel this is highly effective.
These smartphones needs a one click "energy saver mode" that just does all the tweaks for you, basically turning your "smartphone" into a "dumbphone" lol because I honestly have little doubt this phone would last nearly a weak if it did.

curving_edge said:
What's going on? To let you know, I am 25 years old and trying to rationalize my decision. Maybe you can help...
Got my Epic 2 days ago. Horrible battery life and ect... tried all the fixins without root due to a 'could be' voided warranty.
I don't want a phone that I have to hack to get it to work 'right'. That isn't the way to do things.
I am to much of an idiot to figure out how to root, delete bloatware, and etc... How am I supposed to figure this stuff out with people telling you that your a 'noob' and 'search' for it...
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?
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Get a dumb phone the battery will last you a week! oh and you can make and receive calls from it. My vote

There are so many threads on here where people tell you exactly how to get amazing battery life out of your phone. It must be a defunct battery because I cannot comprehend how anyone could be having problems with their battery after the number of times its been answered on this forum alone.
Disable DRM
toggle airplane mode
wifi never sleep
juicedefender + ultimate juice
Easily 20-24 hours of battery life for medium use.

If u want batt life get a dumb phone. If u want geautures get a smartphone. I can't live without a smartphone bc I use it like a computer to stay connected all day when I'm away from home. If u feel u don't really need all the feutures get a dumb phone.
Sent from my Epic 4G

Thank You for your replies thus far. I am pleased to inform you that I went back to the sprint store and got a brand new replacement. New battery and everything.
I have followed all of your directions as well. I will post soon and let you know how everything is.
I have alot of confidence in the epic but wish the battery wasn't giving me a epic headache!
Wish me luck, I owe you guys alot of respect. Will keep you posted...

curving_edge said:
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?
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Sounds like you're not smartphone friendly. Many people I know are not. But luckily there's a large and varied assortment of devices to choose from. Get a phone that makes phone calls, and maybe messages well, and be happy.

I have had the phone off the charger since yesterday at 11pm and it is now 2 pm eastern time today. Looks great and promising. I will follow up on the research. I also have seen 'how to' root the epic on youtube. Thats easy, just working on how to get the bloatware off and other items to tweak...
-Curv

I have no idea how people get more than a day out of their phones, no matter the model. Every phone I've ever owned ranging from dumb, quick messeging and smart, I've had to charge every night. Its been like this for 6+ years for me.
Getting more than a day out of a phone is unrealistic to me.
Sent from my bathroom, with toilet paper.

When I first got my phone it took me awhile to learn the basics on how to root and what not, hence the fact it was my first android device (other then the evo, which I didnt root or anything) Root is easy and once you do that you can flash different ROM's/Kernel's to help improve your battery life. I enjoy flashing to new things and once android 2.2 comes out there will be bigger and better things in stored for us.
Now what I didnt realize when I first tried to root my phone was to download SDK manager? It took me the longest time to root, I followed every direction I found which a lot of them never stated to download SDK because they assumed we knew. If you really want to have fun and root your phone then here is what I suggest.
1. Search Google for "SDK Android" click the first link to download it. (may take up to 30+ mins to download everything)
2. Read the Wiki in the Epic Android Development Section. Learn what rooting does to your phone. It also explains how to root your device.
That's how I rooted my phone, now changing ROM's/Kernels is another thing but that too is VERY easy. If you need help I will be willing to help you, I too am and noob and speak NOOB language lol.

sryans2004 said:
When I first got my phone it took me awhile to learn the basics on how to root and what not, hence the fact it was my first android device (other then the evo, which I didnt root or anything) Root is easy and once you do that you can flash different ROM's/Kernel's to help improve your battery life. I enjoy flashing to new things and once android 2.2 comes out there will be bigger and better things in stored for us.
Now what I didnt realize when I first tried to root my phone was to download SDK manager? It took me the longest time to root, I followed every direction I found which a lot of them never stated to download SDK because they assumed we knew. If you really want to have fun and root your phone then here is what I suggest.
1. Search Google for "SDK Android" click the first link to download it. (may take up to 30+ mins to download everything)
2. Read the Wiki in the Epic Android Development Section. Learn what rooting does to your phone. It also explains how to root your device.
That's how I rooted my phone, now changing ROM's/Kernels is another thing but that too is VERY easy. If you need help I will be willing to help you, I too am and noob and speak NOOB language lol.
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Hey sry... Thanks for the hand up on this situation. Should I wait till 2.2 or maybe try a root now? I might as well do it now and get familiar with it...
Pm me if you like, I will try the root this weekend. Thanks alot!

If you care about battery life and want a smartphone, Blackberries are the way to go. Just don't expect anywhere near the features, customizability, or power of Android. Also, don't expect anywhere nearly as good hardware.
Everything is a compromise. I imagine though that you if hold out on the Epic, the Epic equal of this, an EVO extended battery will come out.

My old flip phone has worse battery life than my Moment

Is it just me?

Everything on EVO development is being bombarded with different ports that ultimately have a lot of bugs. What happened to the days of stable roms where EVERYTHING worked such as myn's warm? I know the developers are hard at work but can we just stick to working on one port so bugs can be worked out quicker? Idk just a food for thought when trying to look for a new rom that has everything working.

locoboi187 said:
Everything on EVO development is being bombarded with different ports that ultimately have a lot of bugs. What happened to the days of stable roms where EVERYTHING worked such as myn's warm? I know the developers are hard at work but can we just stick to working on one port so bugs can be worked out quicker? Idk just a food for thought when trying to look for a new rom that has everything working.
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Stick to Sprint Stock, otherwise build something of your own.

atapia984 said:
Stick to Sprint Stock, otherwise build something of your own.
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Quit bashing like everyone else.

locoboi187 said:
Quit bashing like everyone else.
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There was only one post there, and that was mine. I don't see "everyone else." You have asked for a suggestion, I gave you a couple.

atapia984 said:
There was only one post there, and that was mine. I don't see "everyone else." You have asked for a suggestion, I gave you a couple.
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I never asked for a suggestion, and everyone else bashes a person when somebody says something negative about the EVO ports.

The stable ROMs are all still there. They haven't changed in awhile, because the most stable ROMs are modifications of the stock ROMs. There hasn't been a new stock ROM released in 5 and a half months. Most of the current development activity is around CM7, which while stable overall is much more experimental than a ROM based on stock will be, and around ports of Sense 2.1 and 3.0 along with Gingerbread. Ports will usually (if not always) be less stable than a ROM that HTC actually developed for the Evo. Many of them are impressively stable given the obstacles they have to get over when porting.
Nothing's stopping you from running Myn's RLS5 if that's what you want. We'll get a new stable GB ROM from HTC sometime in the next month or two, and I imagine all the major devs will customize it and create a new batch of ROMs that have that same level of stability. Until then, either stick with something older that's based on the 3.70 stock ROM, or live with the pitfalls of bleeding edge that are inherent in the current ROMs.

bkrodgers said:
The stable ROMs are all still there. They haven't changed in awhile, because the most stable ROMs are modifications of the stock ROMs. There hasn't been a new stock ROM released in 5 and a half months. Most of the current development activity is around CM7, which while stable overall is much more experimental than a ROM based on stock will be, and around ports of Sense 2.1 and 3.0 along with Gingerbread. Ports will usually (if not always) be less stable than a ROM that HTC actually developed for the Evo. Many of them are impressively stable given the obstacles they have to get over when porting.
Nothing's stopping you from running Myn's RLS5 if that's what you want. We'll get a new stable GB ROM from HTC sometime in the next month or two, and I imagine all the major devs will customize it and create a new batch of ROMs that have that same level of stability. Until then, either stick with something older that's based on the 3.70 stock ROM, or live with the pitfalls of bleeding edge that are inherent in the current ROMs.
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Thanks for that helpful response that was not counterproductive. I will stick with AOSP Gingerbread for now

locoboi187 said:
I never asked for a suggestion, and everyone else bashes a person when somebody says something negative about the EVO ports.
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You mentioned you want to get something stable with EVERYTHING working. Stick to Sprint Stock.

I'm running Deck 1.2r and have been running Deck since 1.1 and It sseems pretty damn stable to me get around 12hr of battery on moderate use, haven't had to reboot in over a week. Just gotta keep your eyes open.
--In 1938 I killed a Hobo--

You're talking buggy ports of future software versions versus stable available builds?
Yeah, it's just you.
And, no, it's not 'food for thought.'
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You mentioned you want to get something stable with EVERYTHING working. Stick to Sprint Stock.
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Mentioning and asking are two completely different concepts.

I just recently said the same thing and got jumped on for not knowing: "instead of focusing on one port of software from the "future" Let's just grab everything we can from the "future" and throw it out there and have the first 4 pages of the development section full of non full working roms and jump on anyone that says "what gives"
I mean really you guys don't have to be anal about everything. Take a second to at least explain to the guy the situation at hand because between the 35549 pages of "get your cards partitioned this is going to be huge" and "OMG I'm so excited i'm going to hit f5 til my keyboard falls off" some may not understand that what's coming may actually cause their phone to do nothing more than FORCE CLOSE constantly.
And of course i'll get rebuttals of "Oh gee well use the search feature" and of course we should do that but when we do look at the good old "Known issues in the first post" we see nothing but "ELG drivers the phone may not be 100 percent and may stay on the lock screen for a few minutes" Which seems harmless and when you take the plunge your welcomed to an erratic mess.
And when you get frustrated the "Future port police" come badge flashing and baton swinging as if you should be shot for even saying "where are the stable roms." This place used to have posters who used to have manners. Now instead of trying to understand the frustrations of others, they take opportunities wheever possible to be anal.

imwillzillla said:
I just recently said the same thing and got jumped on for not knowing: "instead of focusing on one port of software from the "future" Let's just grab everything we can from the "future" and throw it out there and have the first 4 pages of the development section full of non full working roms and jump on anyone that says "what gives"
I mean really you guys don't have to be anal about everything. Take a second to at least explain to the guy the situation at hand because between the 35549 pages of "get your cards partitioned this is going to be huge" and "OMG I'm so excited i'm going to hit f5 til my keyboard falls off" some may not understand that what's coming may actually cause their phone to do nothing more than FORCE CLOSE constantly.
And of course i'll get rebuttals of "Oh gee well use the search feature" and of course we should do that but when we do look at the good old "Known issues in the first post" we see nothing but "ELG drivers the phone may not be 100 percent and may stay on the lock screen for a few minutes" Which seems harmless and when you take the plunge your welcomed to an erratic mess.
And when you get frustrated the "Future port police" come badge flashing and baton swinging as if you should be shot for even saying "where are the stable roms." This place used to have posters who used to have manners. Now instead of trying to understand the frustrations of others, they take opportunities wheever possible to be anal.
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Everyone's a Republican lately ;P

felacio said:
I'm running Deck 1.2r and have been running Deck since 1.1 and It sseems pretty damn stable to me get around 12hr of battery on moderate use, haven't had to reboot in over a week. Just gotta keep your eyes open.
--In 1938 I killed a Hobo--
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12 hours on moderate use is not good.

imwillzillla said:
I just recently said the same thing and got jumped on for not knowing: "instead of focusing on one port of software from the "future" Let's just grab everything we can from the "future" and throw it out there and have the first 4 pages of the development section full of non full working roms and jump on anyone that says "what gives"
I mean really you guys don't have to be anal about everything. Take a second to at least explain to the guy the situation at hand because between the 35549 pages of "get your cards partitioned this is going to be huge" and "OMG I'm so excited i'm going to hit f5 til my keyboard falls off" some may not understand that what's coming may actually cause their phone to do nothing more than FORCE CLOSE constantly.
And of course i'll get rebuttals of "Oh gee well use the search feature" and of course we should do that but when we do look at the good old "Known issues in the first post" we see nothing but "ELG drivers the phone may not be 100 percent and may stay on the lock screen for a few minutes" Which seems harmless and when you take the plunge your welcomed to an erratic mess.
And when you get frustrated the "Future port police" come badge flashing and baton swinging as if you should be shot for even saying "where are the stable roms." This place used to have posters who used to have manners. Now instead of trying to understand the frustrations of others, they take opportunities wheever possible to be anal.
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+1
There are stable ROMS, NOT CM7 or MIUI, btw, you just have to look past page one on the Dev forum and read the last few comments.
One of the things I liked about SDX is that when we were dev'ing the moment, there is a section for testing and a section for releases, which usually needed to be stable before they got posted in that forum

What is moderate use anyways normal use for me is being on my phone often which to some would be heavy lol with me using my phone the way I do is moderate heavy imo is like playing a game for a ur or two
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Some of the new ports of the shift are stable, but some of those ports have funky colors! I wished a stock version were released along with the funky color versions
flame on!!!!!!!

Downgrade Lollipop Back To KitKat 4.4.4 [GUIDE]

I didnt like the new android 5.0.2 lollipop update on my xperia z for some reason my device was getting really hot just holding it in my hand and not doing anything and also the battery life wasnt that good either so i downgraded thanks to this guy who posted a tutorial on youtube it helped me to get kitkat back on my phone! P.S I wont be upgrading untill sony or whoever fixes this heres the link to the video if anyone else is facing the same problem and wants to downgrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HIYpeZaTM

You didn't even give the phone a chance, every update ever, the phone performance goes a bit peculiar to begin with.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.. I can't control my laugh.... People crying crying and crying for the update.. And now? ... Ohhhhhhaaaa

Troll

Love Sony, but sorry to say it is a laugh reading all the babies moaning about not having lollipop yet(on all devices) and then when they get it they moan again be thankful your z got the update. My 2014 Xperia ain't gonna get it give it a week to settle down at least. Sorry for the off topic post
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People waiting for the update and now this.
Lol
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Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...

Akinaro said:
Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...
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dude, pls stop cursing and swearing. we are here making friends not foes
yes i know my english is bad too

Akinaro said:
Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...
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Stop or you'll be reported.
I have tried 5.02 on my (now dead) Nexus 5, which resulted in constant ooem's.
What Sony has done is incredible, it looks and feels better plus memory leak fixes are included, it runs quite good, i'm impressed.
If i look what Samsung did with 5.02 i can only applaud to Sony, well done.

Akinaro said:
Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...
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Err, no. I think the point that's trying to be made is that the op complained about it, yet they'd barely gave it time to settle in, every update is a bit weird to start off. He doesn't even say whether he did a clean install, or an ota, there's so many variables that could be giving him this high battery drain. To dismiss it as crap without even giving it chance is just silly.

@madscientistdam you only gave the rom about a days use. I'm sure there could have been many things you could have tried to fix your issue.
This just made me lol....

madscientistdam said:
I didnt like the new android 5.0.2 lollipop update on my xperia z for some reason my device was getting really hot just holding it in my hand and not doing anything and also the battery life wasnt that good either so i downgraded thanks to this guy who posted a tutorial on youtube it helped me to get kitkat back on my phone! P.S I wont be upgrading untill sony or whoever fixes this heres the link to the video if anyone else is facing the same problem and wants to downgrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HIYpeZaTM
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What method did you use to install?
Also, did you do a factory reset afterwards?
Personally, I am really impressed with our little update. I'm not getting any overheating and the standby time is great. On-screen time is about the same but I should let the update settle first before judging it but even if it's the same as Kitkat the smoother operation is well worth it.

Akinaro said:
Jesus F Christ...are you all retarded or something?
I see that there is more fanboys than actual users....
Just because we waited for LP it doesnt mean that we need to prise it like it was some sort of holly update... it have bugs, its not fast as it could be, etc etc... if someone dont like it why do you call it trolling? you are F trolls because you just cant handle other person opinion...
And dont defend it like it would be your daughter virginity... LP just suck in overall, and this update is nothing special. For example I waited for LP just to check how it work compared to 4..4 and 4.3
And its nothing special! Now I can go back to 4.3 that personally I like, and if you dont like my choose, and other users choose? Deal with it. that someone dont think like you.
You all gonna defend this update in every way, even if most of you see that its NOTHING SPECIAL.
Im not saying that I was expecting huge changes but I dont see any reasons to keep it if it doesnt work as some people like. You dont like it that someone dont like your beloved LP? keep it for yourself!
Its not trolling when someone say what he think. You dont like it go wank your "lolipop" looking at it on your xperia...
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did you dive Lollipop more than 5 minutes worth of trying?
I have flashed the HK region software onto my phone because of Kit Kat software issues such as intermittent microphone not being recognised- which have plagued me since November last year. I lost a lot of opportunities to get a new job in the time it took to deliver this update.
Yes my phone also ran really hot too the first time I was setting it up after flashing the Android OS. This was also while I was trying to restore apps after my third party backup application(MyBavckup Pro) failed to be able to save the backups to my SD card because of the kit kat restrictions on writing to the SD card.
To be honest after giving the software a go for four hours- I will say the new layout isnt as beautiful as I hoped it would be, but my phone is now more functional than it used to be. I no longer have to root my phone to perform tasks such as screen recording, the new updates to google chrome are great- memory management on my phone is far better and surprisingly my camera is performing better.
I havent noticed issues with charging now that the initial mass redownload of my apps and re syncing of my backed up data from the cloud. I am yet to see if my main reason for wanting a software update is resolved though

Good work.. To use which one is everyones personal discretion, lets not fight over it..:beer:

Tommy-Geenexus said:
Stop or you'll be reported.
I have tried 5.02 on my (now dead) Nexus 5, which resulted in constant ooem's.
What Sony has done is incredible, it looks and feels better plus memory leak fixes are included, it runs quite good, i'm impressed.
If i look what Samsung did with 5.02 i can only applaud to Sony, well done.
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"Stop or you'll be reported." Since you are German I guess you miss the communist time before the Berlin Wall got destroyed!
Accept that people have different opinions. You didnt had any problems well good for you, but many other did including me. I was afraid to upgrade to Lollipop since every major update there has been something that didnt worked well in the beginning. I thought I should wait until Sony fixes these problems this time but I was too curious. I liked Lollipop but it didn't just worked. I did a factory reset after the upgrade but still I had many problems. The problems I had and the reason I'm (for now) going back to KitKat 4.4.4 are:
- Battery drain. First it said 3 days and 2 hours with stamina mode on, did hardly last one day. Screentime was bad, 1% drop every 1-2 minutes, a bit less when not using, dont know exactly but 1 % every 10 minutes.
- Phone turning of of itself. Had it in my pocket, took it out and it was of, turned it on and later it was of again. turned it on and left it on the table, after a while it tuned of itself again.
- Autofocus problem in Camera. Made video capture, when it saw the faces if focused on them which is a good function idea and might work if you make an interview. People moving or dancing doesn't work. In a bright room the video got lighter and darker every second. Sometimes the focus didn't worked at all so it got all blurry for 5 seconds, that happened repeatedly.
Those where the "only" problems that I had with Lollipop. I'm happy for those that doesn't have any problems with Lollipop and I'm impressed that Sony gave us this update to our old phone. Xperia Z was the best phone when it came out over 2 years ago and is still really good. So I'm really happy that i got a Sony but for now I will stay with KitKat, think those problems mainly are Googles fault but if these problems are well known, why don't just skip 5.0.2 and we wait a little longer for 5.1 if that solves the problems... probably not though

oskar_08 said:
"Stop or you'll be reported." Since you are German I guess you miss the communist time before the Berlin Wall got destroyed!
Accept that people have different opinions. You didnt had any problems well good for you, but many other did including me.
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Surprisingly nobody misses communism here (not even me, crazy).
Different opinions - fine.
Insulting other people - not really needed, right?

Tommy-Geenexus said:
Surprisingly nobody misses communism here (not even me, crazy).
Different opinions - fine.
Insulting other people - not really needed, right?
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I agree that it was unnecessary to use bad language, just as my comment about communism was unnecessary but i wouldn't call it insulting people what he wrote. I agree with him that those that wrote before were kind of retarded saying "troll" and just laughing about it. Yes it's a bit silly when you think about that so many have been cheering and waiting for LP and now this. But many persons got problem they didn't had before LP, including me. Those comments were just stupid and probably written by fanboys not giving any advise to a solution at all.
There is a reason that the youtube-video now has 2200 views, LP wasn't just good enough (at the moment hopefully).