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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
Doesn't matter to you or me. We've got one of 2 current gen standard bearers (other being the Milestone/Droid) and ours doesn't have to go through a carrier to get OS updates.
All the apps will be built with us in mind, so fewer bugs and possibly more apps. We're basically Android Dev Phone 3. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a loss for Sprint customers only, and the size of that loss is debatable.
Sucks to be a sprint customer. Will the EVO be better than the Nexus One? On paper, yes.. however that has yet to be seen. Most (or some) of us thought the N1 would be overshadowed by the Droid Incredible but that wasn't the case at all.
EVO vs Nexus One .... coming soon.
I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Good question. If it was Google, I think they bailed just before the vindication of the N1. I am reading about perceived "issues" with the Incredible and Desire similar to those on the N1 regarding 3g coverage. The N1 is a damn fine phone, and Verizon and Sprint users are missing out on an absolute gem with a better forward path than anything else in the hardware queue.
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Its DEF Sprint's and Verizon's fault the phone was cancelled. Google could easily put in a different radio (like they did with the ATT version) but Sprint and Verizon can just refuse to activate the phone on their network like they did. ATT and TMo didn't have a choice since they use sim cards. Sprint and Verizon are evil companies that force their customers into more expensive options instead of giving them choices
Same reason the verizon deal fell through. both spring and verizon are very controlled networks. Googles wants to essentially turn the cell phone system into an europe-esque system where phones and service are seperate entities.
Each nexus phone has to be programs for verizon or sprint. They probably couldn't come to terms with an appropriate price and management. They'd have to have the phones programmed before being shipped out, one more step and one more cost.
Then you have the headaches of pushing out updates. We saw how long it took Droid to get the 2.1 update. If you want to update a sprint android phone you have to take it to a retail store to do it!
thats a damn shame
sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
down with verizon and sprint they suck. Everytime I saw a sprint phone on that TV show, heroes I thought.... ugh, fags
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales.
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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well, i don't want to get too far off topic, because this is all just speculation. however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
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Post a pic of the chick!
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neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
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I partially agree with the OP here, it would be nice to have this across all carriers, but in all honesty, CDMA is just not something that is well supported outside the US. Having GSM is key since it is more the worldwide standard. I don't think not having CDMA is going to really hurt things for this device.
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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That makes no sense at all. Even if they didn't subsidize the phone, like AT&T, someone could buy the N1 100% with their own money, and then throw their money at Verizon/Sprint for the voice and data plans. All I could see is a net PLUS of subscribers on their networks. Now if someone reallly wants an N1, they'd be thinking T-Mobile / AT&T; a net LOSS of subscribers for Verizon/Sprint.
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however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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Except HTC probably already had the CDMA N1, or was FAR into the development of it. It saves hassle for everyone except HTC, who wasted a lot of time and effort.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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A camera with no flash. 'nuff said.
Verizon and Sprint have a much much more closed network than Att or T-mobile. They wan't entire control of what goes on the network.
I don't think anyone would care because sprint customers would probably be waiting for EVO 4g..
personally, i really liked sprint. i had a heck of a plan with them, i got a lot of free upgrades without contract, and i always had a signal, no matter where i went. i did sometimes have to roam, but i had free roaming, so no big whoop.
i only switched over to tmo for the N1
So they say the Galaxy S will sell 10,000,000 units be the end of this year. Let's just say they make $100 profit on each unit sold. That's what? $1,000,000,000. Now you're telling me that you can't even provide me with a simple update. I'll tell you what if I could afford to take this phone and shove it some Samsung exec you know where I would. I would love to blame it on Sprint but I can't because no other carrier in the U.S. has it either. This is the first and last Samsung product I buy mobile phone or otherwise. I am done......
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Ya same sentiment here guy. I was going to get my wife an Epic come feb when her upgrade is available but instead I'm getting her a EVO Shift 4G (she wants a keyboard) because I'm pretty sure that even if it comes with 2.2.1 it'll get upgraded to gingerbread before I ever get official 2.2.1 =D
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So they say the Galaxy S will sell 10,000,000 units be the end of this year. Let's just say they make $100 profit on each unit sold. That's what? $1,000,000,000. Now you're telling me that you can't even provide me with a simple update. I'll tell you what if I could afford to take this phone and shove it some Samsung exec you know where I would. I would love to blame it on Sprint but I can't because no other carrier in the U.S. has it either. This is the first and last Samsung product I buy mobile phone or otherwise. I am done......
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Blame it on Sprint..why you ask? Froyo is everywhere in international markets and not in US because ALL the US carriers are slow...yes ALL of them...the international community always:
1) gets new phones before us
2) gets updates before us
Just cause 1 turtle is generally faster then the other turtles does not change the fact that the rabbits already passed the goal ages ago...
In reality if people were to flame sprint enough and not Samsung..Sprint could easily force samsung to update a phone even if samsung didn't want to...why don't they? cause sprint doesn't care enough and ppl blame samsung anyways so what do they care?
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Blame it on Sprint..why you ask? Froyo is everywhere in international markets and not in US because ALL the US carriers are slow...yes ALL of them...the international community always:
1) gets new phones before us
2) gets updates before us
Just cause 1 turtle is generally faster then the other turtles does not change the fact that the rabbits already passed the goal ages ago...
In reality if people were to flame sprint enough and not Samsung..Sprint could easily force samsung to update a phone even if samsung didn't want to...why don't they? cause sprint doesn't care enough and ppl blame samsung anyways so what do they care?
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Canada, the UK and Australia just started updating in the last two weeks so it is not just in the U.S. that the release was slow. It is not clear who's fault it is but I blame both. If nothing else, blame Sprint for not communicating better and for not getting a better contract with Samsung for updates after the screw up with updates for the Moment and blame Samsung because even when they started to roll out an update in Canada, it started bricking phones and had to be pulled. 7 months after Google released 2.2, Samsung should be able to put out nearly perfect updates.
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Canada, the UK and Australia just started updating in the last two weeks so it is not just in the U.S. that the release was slow. It is not clear who's fault it is but I blame both. If nothing else, blame Sprint for not communicating better and for not getting a better contract with Samsung for updates after the screw up with updates for the Moment and blame Samsung because even when they started to roll out an update in Canada, it started bricking phones and had to be pulled. 7 months after Google released 2.2, Samsung should be able to put out nearly perfect updates.
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While the bricking is Samsung's fault it is not uncommon...HTC had quite a few bricks on the EVO and they pulled the upgrade...when they tested it theirs did not brick so they assumed it was fine and deployed it...once issues arose they pulled it..came back a week later with everything fixed...
Either way..can you explain how UK, Canada and Australia were able to do it by end of year and sprint couldn't?
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Canada, the UK and Australia just started updating in the last two weeks so it is not just in the U.S. that the release was slow. It is not clear who's fault it is but I blame both. If nothing else, blame Sprint for not communicating better and for not getting a better contract with Samsung for updates after the screw up with updates for the Moment and blame Samsung because even when they started to roll out an update in Canada, it started bricking phones and had to be pulled. 7 months after Google released 2.2, Samsung should be able to put out nearly perfect updates.
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It's ****ing Samsung! They will never have a near perfect release... they have short school bus employees. I ****ing will never buy anything Samsung again... also hope their kids die in a ****ing road accident and then the remains get eaten by coyotes, so they can't even have an open casket funeral.
But then again, that's just me.
I was looking at the shift also, then I saw the speculated off contract price. 50 bucks more than the epic but it's hardware isn't as "good" as the epic. One of the sites I was reading said their opinion was sprint waited on this phone too long and it's specs are mediocre. Pay 550 for a midrange phone? I bet 4g is the only reason the price is jacked up on this one. My opinion, that phone isn't worth how much they might sell it for. Way overpriced!
All my luck, I'd buy another evo and a month later sprint would have another top end phone to replace the evo. Oh yeah, if they have 2.1 on the shift, then that's another excuse for it to be a waste of my time. Notice how some of the names for these phones are just so easy to make fun of? Epic fail, htc shift (minus the f).
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I was looking at the shift also, then I saw the speculated off contract price. 50 bucks more than the epic but it's hardware isn't as "good" as the epic. One of the sites I was reading said their opinion was sprint waited on this phone too long and it's specs are mediocre. Pay 550 for a midrange phone? I bet 4g is the only reason the price is jacked up on this one. My opinion, that phone isn't worth how much they might sell it for. Way overpriced!
All my luck, I'd buy another evo and a month later sprint would have another top end phone to replace the evo. Oh yeah, if they have 2.1 on the shift, then that's another excuse for it to be a waste of my time. Notice how some of the names for these phones are just so easy to make fun of? Epic fail, htc shift (minus the f).
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Well actually the Shift's specs are on par with an EVO..mayeb even slightly better due to the generation 2 snapdragon..but I do agree that its a mid range phone these days (like the EVO lol)
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While the bricking is Samsung's fault it is not uncommon...HTC had quite a few bricks on the EVO and they pulled the upgrade...when they tested it theirs did not brick so they assumed it was fine and deployed it...once issues arose they pulled it..came back a week later with everything fixed...
Either way..can you explain how UK, Canada and Australia were able to do it by end of year and sprint couldn't?
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Yeah but big difference. Htc released the update just over 2 months after froyo was released. Samsung released the Canadian update 7 months after froyo and they still couldn't get it right.
Samsung also said that they released froyo to the UK carriers in Oct. And expected it to be released to consumers in early November. It didn't get released until mid December. Sounds to me like maybe their was a big flaw and it had to go back to samsung.
There is no way to know for sure who is at fault but I am going to blame both. I think the manufactures and carriers work together on these updates and they both have to share responsibility for the success or failure of their efforts.
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Yeah but big difference. Htc released the update just over 2 months after froyo was released. Samsung released the Canadian update 7 months after froyo and they still couldn't get it right.
Samsung also said that they released froyo to the UK carriers in Oct. And expected it to be released to consumers in early November. It didn't get released until mid December. Sounds to me like maybe their was a big flaw and it had to go back to samsung.
There is no way to know for sure who is at fault but I am going to blame both. I think the manufactures and carriers work together on these updates and they both have to share responsibility for the success or failure of their efforts.
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But see the reason why the EVO was updated so fast was due to pressure from Sprint to be the first one...so while they both hold responsibility..putting pressure on sprint is 10x more effective then putting pressure on samsung...
see notice most people who give up respond by saying:
"thats it im not buying another samsung device ever again"
but no one is saying
"thats it im not buying another sprint device again"
Now true that other carriers didn't release upgrades either for their Galaxy S phones...but at same time..Sprint doesn't care if you buy an HTC, EVO or Samsung as long as your paying their monthly bill...
I just think the carriers need to be put under more pressure...lets take the moment for example...they said it doesn't have hardware for froyo..which is a lie because its 95% same hardware as Intercept and Transform...people complained to samsung to no evail..if people complained and blamed sprint...you'd see Froyo out the door in no time for the Moment...
In US carriers are king, and they are the ones that need to be pressured to get things done..
Meh, just do the ext4 conversion, and download the latest quantum rom. It's stable, fast, and overall just great. After you do this, you'll stop complaining about an update. I'm perfectly happy as it is, and in absolutely no rush.
Sent from my Happy Epic on Quantum 2.5 with Ext4 on Froyo DK28.
Some people are in it for the principle. I want more support on my device that I shed so much money about because supposely it is the best. The device sounds good on paper, trying to view online stuff without flash sucks.
Samsung and sprint sucks!
bondosho said:
Meh, just do the ext4 conversion, and download the latest quantum rom. It's stable, fast, and overall just great. After you do this, you'll stop complaining about an update. I'm perfectly happy as it is, and in absolutely no rush.
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The thing is, the devs really need the source code for the froyo kernels if they are going to do anything with it.
LOL I got banned from #samsung-epic for voicing these same feelings. It's a shame. I should have did a bit more studying before I took the plunge. Whenever I get my next phone it will probably be an HTC device.
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The thing is, the devs really need the source code for the froyo kernels if they are going to do anything with it.
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Oh I see. So peple sign up to XDA just to *****? All this time I thought it was to root your device, and try out all the customization available. Guess I'll unregister .
/sarcasm
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Im so glad i got the balls enough to flash a custom rom. I can enjoy everything and it runs smooth on Viper Heaven Rom. Samsung can eat a fat babys balls 4reeal. Id rather support these developers froyo than the across the water clowns samsung.
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gTen said:
Blame it on Sprint..why you ask? Froyo is everywhere in international markets and not in US because ALL the US carriers are slow...yes ALL of them...the international community always:
1) gets new phones before us
2) gets updates before us
Just cause 1 turtle is generally faster then the other turtles does not change the fact that the rabbits already passed the goal ages ago...
In reality if people were to flame sprint enough and not Samsung..Sprint could easily force samsung to update a phone even if samsung didn't want to...why don't they? cause sprint doesn't care enough and ppl blame samsung anyways so what do they care?
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Do you know why? Because us Americans are a bunch of whiny *****es who go into cardiac arrest when we find out that we have to pay more than $19.99 for a cell phone, need our hands constantly held and for whatever reason, expect that phone companies owe us the world. Ooh, also because for whatever reason phone companies refuse to implement bunch of features that GSM and CDMA networks support. Why can't I have two lines on a single SIM card like I had in Europe? I'm taking to you AT&T and T-Mobile. Why are we just now getting features that Japanese and Korean networks had years ago? Simply, there is no market for advanced phones here.
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Frankly I don't care who's fault it is. Both Companies profit off of users buying/owning an Epic, therefore both should bust ass and get the update out. If I received this type of service at a restraunt... forget about it.
I talked to the Denver District Sprint Store Manager today nd he said he talked to his boss and got the reason the epic wasn't getting an update yet... Sprint ID. There are apparently integration issues, then it was removed, added, removed, yada yada. Apparently Froyo for Epic was ready to be released ota on the 26th but when push came to shove the sprint ID was having issues, so the update was pulled.
Not sure how true this is... but so help me if Sprint ID is the holdup... I don't want that **** on my phone anyway..
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Some possible good news, hopefully, http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile’s-2011-roadmap-includes-plenty-android
Some bad, predicted news...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-16/sprint-s-most-likely-buyer-may-be-centurylink.html
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list
the case numbers like in the middle somewhere, you'll see AT&T
Help me and other users keep prices down and carrier amounts to 4! NOT 3!
Cmon guys, lets all do each other a favor and keep Sprint in business by reporting our thoughts. Remember!!!!!The responses you type, if you choose to respond, ARE public. If you want the merger to go through, and you are on Sprint, I would be curious as to why.
I don't know about everyone else but if this deal goes through, it can have negative effects for us, Sprint users, simply because we would now become the little guy and would either need to raise prices or merge with Big Red.
To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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EXACTLY! I like prices and companies the way they are no need to downsize and raise prices on consumer side...
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
Lmao right? ^^^
Anyways Idk if is bad or right, I mean if Verizon ain't tripping then why would sprint trip? If anyone in T-Mobile is there cause of the price then they probably go with sprint anyways
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Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Pretty much never.
This deal is going through you people need to get over it. Just watch.
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This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
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Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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They don't, this is just pretend.
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NewZJ said:
This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
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Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Good Question
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Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
iitreatedii said:
which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
Also 2 big companies left. offering Similar speeds and the SAME 4G technology will have to fight each other for new subsribers and will have to offer different and better services or fight back with pricings. The prices could go up or they could enter into a price war. No matter what happens there will be mergers or majority stock buyings simple as that.
I'm saying what i think will/could happen. Do you think customers would be able to stop things. Ya right. We are considered expendable.
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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You are right this is why i think verizon will invest in a majority share of Sprint/nextel for the simple reason of competeing. In doing so if tmo and sprint where bought out or taken over they will have to give up or sell parts of the network of spectrum in which another company will take over the number 3 and 4 spot although smaller. Either way Sprint will be affected. Sprint won't live if Tmo and att merge. They wont be able to compete. It is hard for them even now. That is why i think they will get bought in some method.
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
iitreatedii said:
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like a bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy situation if you catch my drift. We have A or Z, no in between
i don't think the deal will go through myself BUT **** if verizon buys sprint at least ill have good service for a change.
. i was at ces yeterday at the samsung booth. there was a guy givig the samsung rep a lot of grief for the shoddy updaate rolllout for the us, the samsung rep said we'd have the update "very soon". since it was running on the note 10.1 with lte for verizon one would hope so. it really seems like they delayed the us upate so verizon could have something unique. the guy also asked about the keyboard dock andt he samsung rep said he didn't know but suspected now that verizon was gettting the lte unit samsug would bring the dock to the us. apparenly a marketing decision
as for jellybean on the note it looked great.it is really multi-windows and not split screen. windows are resizeable. switcching lag is gone,
Let's hope it's by months end.
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The US is not the only country with no update.. The majority of Europe does not either.. Some of us didn't even get the minor update that fixes the stupid Exfat issue..
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Smokie Smokerson said:
The US is not the only country with no update.. The majority of Europe does not either.. Some of us didn't even get the minor update that fixes the stupid Exfat issue..
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Here's a link to Engadget's Myriam Joire's interview on stage of Samsung's Ryan Bidan yesterday. Joire owns a WIFi Note 10.1 and asked when those of us in North America will get the JB update. Bidan said soon, too. He also said the Verizon LTE tablet will ship with JB 4.2.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/samsung-interview/
I've said since the beginning when these topics started coming out that it was because Samsung had a "newer" version coming out, possibly at CES, that would come with JB preinstalled and it would use that to it's advantage. Look what happened. I guarantee Verizon paid quite a bit to make sure that update would not come out for existing tablets for quite a while after their version was out. No one seems to understand that all these companies care about is making the most possible money in the shortest amount of time. A lot of people have the illusion that they care about consumer interests and wanna put the best possible product in their hands. These are corporations. They wanna put the most "money making" product in consumers hands and that's something they can mass produce quickly, sell quickly, and make quick money on it.
Apple has been using something like this to their advantage for years. They release an iPhone or iPad and deliberately leave out "key" features to be added to future devices. If they didn't, they wouldn't make as much money.
Bottom line is, it's a shame that people think corporations have the consumers best interests in mind..
I have to agree with you, transcode of the biggest reasons why I'm not happy with these delays..
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That's all well & good but Verizon has NOTHING to do with Australia. Their network has different frequencies and to be honest, I only know the name because of this forum...
Why should some idiot company that has nothing to do with the rest of the world be able to dictate when an update is released to the rest of the planet?
In Oz I'm still waiting for the exFAT fix... Got impatient and am running German 4.1.2. Still, why should I potentially loose my warranty on something that really bears no relation to the rest of the world bar America and possibly Canada?
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That's all well & good but Verizon has NOTHING to do with Australia. Their network has different frequencies and to be honest, I only know the name because of this forum...
Why should some idiot company that has nothing to do with the rest of the world be able to dictate when an update is released to the rest of the planet?
In Oz I'm still waiting for the exFAT fix... Got impatient and am running German 4.1.2. Still, why should I potentially loose my warranty on something that really bears no relation to the rest of the world bar America and possibly Canada?
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Dude, im in EU and exactly in the same boat as you are.. Didnt even get the Exfat fix update.. Only thing is I'm still on the stock 4.0.4 so Meh :banghead:
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Uk & Germany got it because were special
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That's all well & good but Verizon has NOTHING to do with Australia. Their network has different frequencies and to be honest, I only know the name because of this forum...
Why should some idiot company that has nothing to do with the rest of the world be able to dictate when an update is released to the rest of the planet?
In Oz I'm still waiting for the exFAT fix... Got impatient and am running German 4.1.2. Still, why should I potentially loose my warranty on something that really bears no relation to the rest of the world bar America and possibly Canada?
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The business practice Is worldwide . Although the prevalence of LTE varies by market, if one of your country's carriers is deploying LTE and wants marketing advantages by lining up exclusive deals on LTE devices, don't be surprised to see update delays. Start checking tech and cellular tech publications in your respective countries to see if there are rumors of pending releases of carrier branded LTE GN 10.1 devices. If there are, you may see updates for your WIFI devices delayed.
Haha I see some tin foil hats going around. If it was just samsung be one thing but way to many other tablets out there dont have updates to 4.1. But hey what they want to do is up to them. But think .. putting 4.2 ..thats it? That and Verizon name on the back is the best they could come up with? Anyone with a TAB has phone.. anyway.. keep your hat on and who knows..
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Haha I see some tin foil hats going around. If it was just samsung be one thing but way to many other tablets out there dont have updates to 4.1. But hey what they want to do is up to them. But think .. putting 4.2 ..thats it? That and Verizon name on the back is the best they could come up with? Anyone with a TAB has phone.. anyway.. keep your hat on and who knows..
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LOL, I don't think the corporate types like the look of foil with their expensive suits. This is about the reality of corporate relationships and marketing. LTE may be more widely deployed in North America right now but it will be rolled out elsewhere. As it reaches 3G markets, users will find LTE services and devices categorized and priced as premium, top-of-the line . Like it or not, Samsung will repeat the roll out of the LTE GN 10.1 for Verizon with other carriers around the world as those carriers deploy their LTE networks to try to keep up with the 24/7 demand for fast and voluminous amounts of data and entertainment services like streaming. Carriers pay for tweaking and branding and Samsung and all other companies will happily reserve updates and features for a carrier launch even if it makes individual consumers unhappy.
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The business practice Is worldwide . Although the prevalence of LTE varies by market, if one of your country's carriers is deploying LTE and wants marketing advantages by lining up exclusive deals on LTE devices, don't be surprised to see update delays. Start checking tech and cellular tech publications in your respective countries to see if there are rumors of pending releases of carrier branded LTE GN 10.1 devices. If there are, you may see updates for your WIFI devices delayed.
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Yes and no. Granted, Verizon is a larger customer than we are as individual consumers. However, I do not want a Note with telephony. I have a phone. And if the poll here is to be believed wi-fi only constitutes the majority of Note buyers. Thus, Samsung ignores us at their peril, and by us I mean we individual users with wi-fi only and the retailers selling us these units.
Hey guys i bought one for my wife cause she has always wanted one, but how do i know if i supports lte. I bought it in december 2012
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kenpen said:
Hey guys i bought one for my wife cause she has always wanted one, but how do i know if i supports lte. I bought it in december 2012
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If u bought it in december, it is the wifi only model....the lte model comes out sometime this month only on verizon.
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I've said since the beginning when these topics started coming out that it was because Samsung had a "newer" version coming out, possibly at CES, that would come with JB preinstalled and it would use that to it's advantage. Look what happened. I guarantee Verizon paid quite a bit to make sure that update would not come out for existing tablets for quite a while after their version was out. No one seems to understand that all these companies care about is making the most possible money in the shortest amount of time. A lot of people have the illusion that they care about consumer interests and wanna put the best possible product in their hands. These are corporations. They wanna put the most "money making" product in consumers hands and that's something they can mass produce quickly, sell quickly, and make quick money on it.
Apple has been using something like this to their advantage for years. They release an iPhone or iPad and deliberately leave out "key" features to be added to future devices. If they didn't, they wouldn't make as much money.
Bottom line is, it's a shame that people think corporations have the consumers best interests in mind..
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Yeah but at least apple launches the same update to every device to every country on the same day. Instead of taking some darts and randomly throwing it at a world map which is what it looks like they are doing.
Soju+koreans+darts = irregular JB update schedule.
*Update* I'm an idiot!
I was inquiring with T-Mobile about new service, and mentioned I'll be waiting until the Galaxy S6 launches. The representative told me I would have to wait until May 5th when it starts shipping. I know how unreliable carrier representatives are, however it's something. I was a sales rep with VZW for a few years, and we were typically told release dates a month or so before launch.
It's just one rep and they could be totally wrong, but I haven't heard of any other speculative release dates.
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Pretty sure it's widely known that the release date is April 10th..
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Pretty sure it's widely known that the release date is April 10th..
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Right you are. I did a dozen google searches and found nothing until I added April 10. More incorrect information from reps!!! The sky is still blue.
Thanks mate.
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Pretty sure it's widely known that the release date is April 10th..
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Yea, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the carriers in each country are going to actually get them and release them on that date, does it? I mean, look at the Nexus 6. It's just *now* being released on VZW US.
Every single carrier in my country will be selling it from April 10th including retail stores. Would be strange if VZW US would recieve it any other date unless Samsung just dont like them and have them singled out Or maybe carriers are just slow in the US I don't know. Maybe the extra time is because your carriers fill your phones with bloatware which they don't do here at all.
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Every single carrier in my country will be selling it from April 10th including retail stores. Would be strange if VZW US would recieve it any other date unless Samsung just dont like them and have them singled out Or maybe carriers are just slow in the US I don't know. Maybe the extra time is because your carriers fill your phones with bloatware which they don't do here at all.
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verizon usually takes forever because they have to install tons of bloatware and branding
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verizon usually takes forever because they have to install tons of bloatware and branding
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Which returns me to a question I posed in another thread. Why the f*** do Samsung and other manufacturers have to put up with getting railed in the ass by VZW and other carriers with bloat and other limitations, but Apple does not? I just don't get why manufacturers like Samsung cannot negotiate similar deals as Apple.
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Which returns me to a question I posed in another thread. Why the f*** do Samsung and other manufacturers have to put up with getting railed in the ass by VZW and other carriers with bloat and other limitations, but Apple does not? I just don't get why manufacturers like Samsung cannot negotiate similar deals as Apple.
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I assume Samsung/Moto/LG get a small kickback from carriers for allowing the installs. Much like Amazon, dropbox, etc. come preinstalled on devices. Apple of course doesn't care because they have the highest mobile profits in the industry. I hate to admit it, but they place customer satisfaction higher than most OEMs. Granted, GPE phones are in the same boat as iPhones . However, GPE are not sold in stores because the carrier has no incentive.