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Recommended way/ROM to revert to a stock Sense build?

Hi
I recently switched my rate plan and yesterday the new billing cycle started but now the data won't work. I've been on the phone with about 7 T-Mobile reps and none have been able to fix it. So I'd like to just go to the T-Mobile store, hand them my phone, and just let them fix it.
However, I'm running CM7 Stable and if they see that, of course they'll say that's the cause and blame it on that. So I'd like to flash a Sense build. What's the easiest route I can take to get back to a Sense build without losing root or S=OFF? (ie ROM recommendation -- there are just so many!)
I see all the ROMs here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=866175
Which one would be the best option for a quick flash (using CWR 3.0.0.0) so that I can take it to the T-Mobile store? (And then restore CM7 afterwards)
Thank you
[Edit]: Edited title and post for clarity

You can just restore from your stock Nandroid, provided you have one (which you should).
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ELBdelorean said:
You can just restore from your stock Nandroid, provided you have one (which you should).
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I don't. But I want a clean build anyway.
Can anyone answer the question above?

Paul22000 said:
I don't. But I want a clean build anyway.
Can anyone answer the question above?
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Ya I will answer it for you but the guy above me already answered it for the most part. You can just restore a stock nandroid. Tiger13 has a post of a nandroid you can use in the dev section. It is also in the Resource bible. You can also pick one of the stock type of roms in the dev section such as Orange Glacier or Royal Glacier (Allthough it looks slightly different than stock)
Oh, and not sure why you would ask what one is easier to flash. They are all the same when it comes to that. You need to download and flash it. None are easier or harder than the other. My suggestion is to restore a nandroid and see if you data comes back. Me thinks it might.
And BTW you have severel guides in your sig I noticed. Maybe you should think about making one on following directions and smart practices like making a stock nandroid after you root your device.

TrueBlue_Drew said:
Ya I will answer it for you but the guy above me already answered it for the most part. You can just restore a stock nandroid. Tiger13 has a post of a nandroid you can use in the dev section. It is also in the Resource bible. You can also pick one of the stock type of roms in the dev section such as Orange Glacier or Royal Glacier (Allthough it looks slightly different than stock)
Oh, and not sure why you would ask what one is easier to flash. They are all the same when it comes to that. You need to download and flash it. None are easier or harder than the other. My suggestion is to restore a nandroid and see if you data comes back. Me thinks it might.
And BTW you have severel guides in your sig I noticed. Maybe you should think about making one on following directions and smart practices like making a stock nandroid after you root your device.
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Ah, thanks. I clicked on Tiger's thread for the stock nandroid in that huge list of links and read through it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845756 Looks good, I'll try that one. That's exactly the type of help I was looking for, just a pointer in the right direction, thanks. The guy above just worded it poorly.
Yeah, it was hard trying to write a title that captured what I actually wanted to say. But I didn't mean "Which is the easiest to flash?" but rather "Which ROM should I use to get back to a rooted sense build (so I can reflash CM7 after T-Mobile fixes it)?"
(In other words, what is the easiest method of CM7 -> Stock Sense but keep Root while at the T-Mobile store -> back to CM7 afterwards.)
I was thinking of making some guides but to be honest, this isn't my phone; it's my GF's I wouldn't feel right making guides for a phone that I don't have access to 24/7.
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Paul22000 said:
Ah, thanks. I clicked on Tiger's thread for the stock nandroid in that huge list of links and read through it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845756 Looks good, I'll try that one. That's exactly the type of help I was looking for, just a pointer in the right direction, thanks. The guy above just worded it poorly.
Yeah, it was hard trying to write a title that captured what I actually wanted to say. But I didn't mean "Which is the easiest to flash?" but rather "Which ROM should I use to get back to a rooted sense build (so I can reflash CM7 after T-Mobile fixes it)?"
(In other words, what is the easiest method of CM7 -> Stock Sense but keep Root while at the T-Mobile store -> back to CM7 afterwards.)
I was thinking of making some guides but to be honest, this isn't my phone; it's my GF's I wouldn't feel right making guides for a phone that I don't have access to 24/7.
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No prob and please dont think I am busting your balls or anything. I am not sure why 2.5.1.2 recovery is needed to flash the nandroid in tigers thread, but a nandroid like that will give you the stock look for sure. Most all the other roms have at least a few small visual tweaks.

TrueBlue_Drew said:
No prob and please dont think I am busting your balls or anything. I am not sure why 2.5.1.2 recovery is needed to flash the nandroid in tigers thread, but a nandroid like that will give you the stock look for sure. Most all the other roms have at least a few small visual tweaks.
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Ah crap, ok, didn't realize 2.5.1.2 was required. Which ROM is the closest to stock then that still preserves root? The reason I ask is because there are 50 ROMs, but all have tweaks. I don't want to be at the T-Mobile store and have some tweak pop-up and then they say "hey wait a minute, did you hack your phone, get outta here!" etc.
Also, as we've found out, not all of them are compatible with CWR 3.0.0.0. So that's why I was asking. If someone knows a quick ROM that I can flash, that would be really helpful

couldnt i just take the [ROM]Glacier_TMOUS_1.17.531.2_Radio_12.28b.60.140e_26.0 3.02.26_M_release, posted by football, and throw it in the kitchen and add root permissions and super user and then he have everything he wants? if so i can do it as i have it already downloaded and in the kitchen so any devs, just let me know if my theory is correct and i will get it out there for him...

Easiest way is to make sure you got the latest clockwork(try Rom Manager and see if you got the latest clockwork), then boot into recovery, make a nandroid backup of your current setup. get the PD15IMG file from the Dev forum thread, boot into hboot and flash the stock image from there. that will make the phone stock except S-off will stick. Once done with t-mo, re-root with visionary(temp, then permanent), reboot a couple times and make sure root sticks and s-off is still there, go into recovery, wipe everything except the SDCARD and restore the nandroid backup, everything will be there from before. I've rooted/unrooted so many times lately that the process is not even hard anymore.

3.2 OTA update for A501 rolling out tomorrow?

Here's the reply an Acer representative posted on Acer ANZ Facebook page:
"the A501 update has two more security patch integrated hence the slight delay on the update. The date is very likely to be tomorrow, that the first batch of users are going to receive FOTA update notification. Australia & New Zealand are amongst the first countries with the updates made available. Appreciate your understanding and hopefully the update will be with you shortly.".
This was posted around 3.30 PM of the 09/19 (UTC).

Just remember...
DON'T RUSH TO APPLY IT OR YOU'LL LOSE ROOT!
Wait for the devs to modify the OTA and take out the new bootloader and recovery...

This is like the millionth time I've read that 3.2 is unrootable... LoL Repetita iuvant

chiasottis said:
This is like the millionth time I've read that 3.2 is unrootable... LoL Repetita iuvant
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Considering how many idiots have flashed it and then come in here crying about it, it bares repeating.

So, in your opinion, is everyone that flashed the 3.2 an idiot or just those that are now crying about it?

mac4402 said:
So, in your opinion, is everyone that flashed the 3.2 an idiot or just those that are now crying about it?
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Very good question. I updated fully knowing I would loose root, however I have full confidence that the devs will work it out.
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mac4402 said:
So, in your opinion, is everyone that flashed the 3.2 an idiot or just those that are now crying about it?
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The ones that are crying about it, obviously.

After searching on this forum and others, I updated to 3.2, at the time I could not find anything stating that you couldn't root it, but also nothing saying you could. I did however see a few posts from people doing previous upgrades saying that they managed to maintain root. At the time I realized there was a risk I wouldn't be able to root it, but it seemed likely I would. I also figured that if I couldn't root it, at least I could always flash back to 3.1 and root that.
Unfortunately I was wrong on both counts. Since that time I, and others, have made sure that anyone who asks is very aware of the risks so that others don't make the same mistake that I did.
I'm not really complaining though, I do have full confidence that 3.2 will be rooted in time, and while I enjoy having a rooted tablet, and use many applications that require it, not having root is not a deal breaker for me. and I still enjoy the tablet (though I must say the ads are drivng me nuts!)
I guess this is what I get for being an early adopter.

Looks like that was true. Downloading now on my A501...

I'm calling it "Acer Payback" for originally giving us the most easy to root device I've ever seen
Besides, anybody who roots and installs a custom recovery should know...Never take an OTA factory update, or at least be cautious about doing it.
One poster on another forum, was advised by Acer Support to do a factory reset to roll back to factory
I'm no rocket scientist, but doesn't that involve using that pinhole by the rocker?
Anybody try this yet? Results?

Not sure about what your question means... Update wouldn't install ("update not valid" error), so I did a Factory Reset: Settings -> Privacy -> Factory Reset (backup your internal SD as it'll be formatted). After that the update completed fine.
First impressions: snappier; some stuff (like keyboard) looks crispier on screen; more stable networks; new movie editor; etc.
Definitely a huge improvemente over 3.0.1.

So guys.. could anyone say what should i do to take safe OTA update while i have rooted a501 HV hc3.2 CWM? What are steps to do this not bricking our tab?
As guys said i could wait for way to root stock rom.

This is a judgement call. Basically, if you're happy being rooted, and you're running a custom rom with 3.2, I really see no need to revert back to stock, unless you have a lot of funky issues.
Personally, I wouldn't look forward to setting things up all over again, then having to wait till the devs com eup with another root, which may not be as easy as before. Not to mention I would lose ad-hoc support along with a couple of root required apps.
But if you have issues, then by all means, run the OTA.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Moscow Desire said:
if you're happy being rooted, and you're running a custom rom with 3.2, I really see no need to revert back to stock
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Reality call: not everyone wants to flash a custom rom. I've been flashing roms on WinMo, then Android for years and I've come to the conclusion that, no matter what, stock is better. The only time custom may be preferable is once the device isn't anymore updated officially.
As a side note, please notice that we A501 users were still running 3.0.1 prior to this update and, as you know, that ROM was terrible. This is why I preferred updating immediately (and having, finally, a device that works well) without waiting for root and other mods, which I can live well without.

You could download the FOTA and modify it to remove the new bootloader and recovery and get it rooted, like ezterry did with the A500 version. Maybe try contacting him on exactly what to modify...

chiasottis said:
Reality call: not everyone wants to flash a custom rom.
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No reality call needed . If you had looked at the guys post, he/she is running Honey Villain3.2, which I believe is a custom Rom. The post was wether or not there was a need to revert back to a non-rootable factory rom, without taking a chance of things going bad.
I really couldn't tell you about 3.0. It lasted about 20 minutes after I bought my 501. To say that "3.0 was a terrible Rom", and then say "Stock is better", is a contradiction in itself.
Flashing any rom, should be a personal choice, of course there are pro's and con's which each person has to decide. And they should do their homework beforehand.
So really, there is no need to get "snippy"
But then again, there are always trolls about

Moscow Desire said:
No reality call needed . If you had looked at the guys post, he/she is running Honey Villain3.2, which I believe is a custom Rom. The post was wether or not there was a need to revert back to a non-rootable factory rom.
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Ops! Didn't see that post; I thought you had come here to instruct us to discard stock in favor of custom. Sorry.
Moscow Desire said:
So really, there is no need to get "snippy"
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I didn't get "snippy". I'm just tired to read, every single time there's some problem, "flash a custom" as the only solution. It wasn't your case, though, sorry.

No problemo.
But as you say, flashing is not a cure for everything. But for those of us who like to tweak things, it's nice to know we have that choice.
I just wish people would read about these things, before they get themselves in trouble.
Or the best is "I rooted, now what?"
Or, "I didn't see my exact model, but I flashed one that was close".

yea thats what i meant. I had rooted my device cuz 3.0.1 was awful. Again, i have to roll back to 3.0.1 since i have instaled 3.2 ( some factory default ??) Or what? And as you gays said Id like tu be sure before i start doing anything in this subject.

miszi said:
i have to roll back to 3.0.1 since i have instaled 3.2 ( some factory default ??)
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Yes, you must go back to stock to update.

Newb questions in prep for root attempt

I have been trying to make sure I take all the correct steps before attempting a root. Some of the software references in the forum have me confused. If someone could help me with these I would very much appreciate it.
Here is a quote from the Icey Faux/Honeylicous thread by the OP:
kjy2010 said:
Hey bro don't you use the backup feature on HC? I format and re-install at least a few times a week, and google reinstalls all my apps in about ten minutes tops.
Nothing personal, I just don't get some peoples aversion to doing a proper wipe and format between installs. It's not like you lose any of your photos, music, or videos even when following the instructions in the OP.
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1) What is the difference between the android market and the google "app store" that I keep seeing people refer too?
a) what is the reference to "HC" in this quote?
- I have purchased apps from the android market that I would like to keep. I followed some references in other threads and got the Titanium Backup (free version) in hopes that I can backup the entire tablet. Is this what I would use to keep my apps/data and bring it back to the tablet after rooting?
2) I also got the Acer Recovery app. This looks as though it is used to bring the tablet back to stock form. Is that correct?
3) Is the term "root" in reference to gaining root permissions/access to the tablet, and nothing else? (I was under the impression that it was the installation of a ROM)
4) I have 3.2.1 on my tablet. It looks as though at this point in time, the only way I can root is to bring it back to at least 3.2 ot less (reference to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1276227&page=11)
5) Any tips on what I should download before the root so that I can keep a backup of the original setup and all of the apps I have purchased?
Thank you for anything you can give.
Ryan

YeeP said:
I have been trying to make sure I take all the correct steps before attempting a root. Some of the software references in the forum have me confused. If someone could help me with these I would very much appreciate it.
Here is a quote from the Icey Faux/Honeylicous thread by the OP:
1) What is the difference between the android market and the google "app store" that I keep seeing people refer too?
a) what is the reference to "HC" in this quote?
- I have purchased apps from the android market that I would like to keep. I followed some references in other threads and got the Titanium Backup (free version) in hopes that I can backup the entire tablet. Is this what I would use to keep my apps/data and bring it back to the tablet after rooting?
2) I also got the Acer Recovery app. This looks as though it is used to bring the tablet back to stock form. Is that correct?
3) Is the term "root" in reference to gaining root permissions/access to the tablet, and nothing else? (I was under the impression that it was the installation of a ROM)
4) I have 3.2.1 on my tablet. It looks as though at this point in time, the only way I can root is to bring it back to at least 3.2 ot less (reference to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1276227&page=11)
5) Any tips on what I should download before the root so that I can keep a backup of the original setup and all of the apps I have purchased?
Thank you for anything you can give.
Ryan
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Ryan,
HC=Honeycomb (the version of Android that is currently on your tab).
No difference, in the name for market, some people just use a different term.
2. No it doesn't. It will install CWM which will make a backup of your current ROM which you can flash to go back to original.
3. Root allows you to install CWM which will in turn allow you to flash custom ROMs.
4. Yes you will need to downgrade first, make certain you have everything you need already downloaded and on your external SD card.
5. Read, READ, READ, READ, take notes, and follow instructions to the letter. We certainly don't need another "help, I bricked my tab" thread lol

1) No difference, Google Market/App Store yada yada yada.
a) HC = Honey Comb, it is Googles internal name for their OS from versions 3.x
- If you go to Settings - Privacy, put a check in the boxes for "Back up my data" and "Automatic restore". Doing this alone has been enough for Google to automatically re-install about 99% of my apps.
2) Acer Recovery makes it easier to install the various Recovery images. It does not alone help you get back to "bone stock", but it at least will re-install the stock Recovery image if and when you're ready to go back to the stock ROM.
3) Root is getting root access to the device, which is generally needed to install custom ROMs, so I could see the confusion.
4) Almost right, you'll need to bring it back to 3.0.1 first. Be sure to have already downloaded and installed at least Acer Recovery and IconiaRoot before downgrading, as the Market is flakey as heck when you downgrade to 3.0.1. I followed method 2 in that thread and had 0 issues.
5) Not needed, see my info after 1,a).

kjy2010 said:
Ryan,
HC=Honeycomb (the version of Android that is currently on your tab).
No difference, in the name for market, some people just use a different term.
2. No it doesn't. It will install CWM which will make a backup of your current ROM which you can flash to go back to original.
3. Root allows you to install CWM which will in turn allow you to flash custom ROMs.
4. Yes you will need to downgrade first, make certain you have everything you need already downloaded and on your external SD card.
5. Read, READ, READ, READ, take notes, and follow instructions to the letter. We certainly don't need another "help, I bricked my tab" thread lol
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In reference to your answers:
#3 - Am I correct in saying that I can get root access without applying a new ROM?
#4 - I have an SD card, and it looks as though with the downloads and what not, the tablet is not even using it.
How (I am sure to get a "use search" answer with someone...) do I force the tablet to download these things I need to the SD card?
Do I need an additional SD card to be used for this process only?
I see that you are working on a version of your ROM for 3.2.1, shall I just wait to avoid problems?
#5 - I have been trying to read as many "brick" threads as I can in order to avoid them.

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3) Root is getting root access to the device, which is generally needed to install custom ROMs, so I could see the confusion.
4) Almost right, you'll need to bring it back to 3.0.1 first. Be sure to have already downloaded and installed at least Acer Recovery and IconiaRoot before downgrading, as the Market is flakey as heck when you downgrade to 3.0.1. I followed method 2 in that thread and had 0 issues.
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I did find the IconiaRoot thread by Thor. It looks as though this is the reason for bringing the version back to 3.0.1, true? Not to many usable answers to the questions asked in that thread, that are answered by the OP. I will try and search for people using it and starting their own thread.
This looks to be a Windows piece of software, maybe I can get it to run on my virtual box... or wine... . I guess I could try it on my work machine.

IconiaRoot is the app to actually use the exploit found to root the device and give you root access. Now, the reason for going to 3.0.1 is because the exploit was fixed by Acer is version 3.2. So, the downgrade is needed first so that the exploit is available to root your device.

OMG..
Your worse then most of my girl friends.. ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE AND EASY
if you are on STOCK FROM ACER.. 3.2 OR ABOVE . you must DOWNGRADE TO GET ROOT..
The best way to do this to date seems to be in the past by Jimmy Dean.. there are links to his threads in nearly every recent bricked or threads similar to yours..
im guessing if you have looked at all the threads about being bricked and still do not understand how to do it..or scared to try .
DO NOT ATTEMPT
MAYBE you should ask a dev if you can send your tablet to them in the mail and them flash it for you.. Would be my best sugestion.. Everyone that flashes anything on there tablet or any ROM BASED Device takes the risk of bricking.. IF you have read other bricking related threads you will see people complain they fallowed all instructions and still ended up bricked.. Maybe to falt of there own they missed or maybe just luck of the Flash..
Good Luck and look for Jimmy Deans post in the d/load he gives a very detailed instructions with step by step pictures. as some of the others do as well..
Thanks for listening to me RANT About my opinion...
xxx the dingy blonde Erica Renee..

fermunky said:
IconiaRoot is the app to actually use the exploit found to root the device and give you root access. Now, the reason for going to 3.0.1 is because the exploit was fixed by Acer is version 3.2. So, the downgrade is needed first so that the exploit is available to root your device.
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Perfect, thanks man.
erica_renee said:
OMG..
Your worse then most of my girl friends.. ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE AND EASY
if you are on STOCK FROM ACER.. 3.2 OR ABOVE . you must DOWNGRADE TO GET ROOT..
The best way to do this to date seems to be in the past by Jimmy Dean.. there are links to his threads in nearly every recent bricked or threads similar to yours..
im guessing if you have looked at all the threads about being bricked and still do not understand how to do it..or scared to try .
DO NOT ATTEMPT
MAYBE you should ask a dev if you can send your tablet to them in the mail and them flash it for you.. Would be my best sugestion.. Everyone that flashes anything on there tablet or any ROM BASED Device takes the risk of bricking.. IF you have read other bricking related threads you will see people complain they fallowed all instructions and still ended up bricked.. Maybe to falt of there own they missed or maybe just luck of the Flash..
Good Luck and look for Jimmy Deans post in the d/load he gives a very detailed instructions with step by step pictures. as some of the others do as well..
Thanks for listening to me RANT About my opinion...
xxx the dingy blonde Erica Renee..
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Not sure if you ranted to make yourself feel good or show how awesome you are. Either way, this is not my first time to the rodeo, and not my first time on a forum where there are people that want to constantly show how tough they are. I have seen your posts in other threads and know what to expect from you. Because I am new here, I will not use the language I am tempted to with you.
It is so cool that you feel great enough that you can give someone a hard time because they want to make sure they are prepared to do things right the first time. As opposed to the opposite. Maybe because they want to understand how things work and the syntax surrounding the protocol(s).
My opinion on your opinion is to STFU and kiss my ass. mkay?

erica_renee said:
OMG..
The best way to do this to date seems to be in the past by Jimmy Dean.. there are links to his threads in nearly every recent bricked or threads similar to yours..
xxx the dingy blonde Erica Renee..
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Thought we were talking about tablets here ... this whole Jimmy Dean and Links givin me a hankerin for some breakmast

Give thanks to those who need it..
Thanks for such nice words.I do appreciate and value your opinion of me.
All im saying is that if you have read all the threads and post about bricked devices bad flashing stories and the threads on how to do it correctly.. That there is nothing more anyone can do or say to you about this.. Only other option is for someone to do it for you.. I did not mean to offend you in any way.
Its kinda unclear what you expected to get out of starting a thread stating that you read everything good and bad.. about flashing this tablet.. maybe the solution is to go to android sdk site and get better acquainted with the OS on a more personal level.. if you are still not understanding the process .
With that all said..
I do hope you accomplish what your trying to do.I also sent you a Thanks maybe it will make you smile and not be so hateful toward constructive criticize n.
Good Luck..

erica_renee said:
<CLIP> Thanks maybe it will make you smile and not be so hateful toward constructive criticize n.
Good Luck..
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Ah, my mistake, I must have been confused by the meaning of "constructive criticism"
Apparently when you say:
OMG..
Your worse then most of my girl friends.. ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE AND EASY
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That is meant in the most loving, helpful way. Right? I should have been happy with that response. I apologize.

garringm said:
Thought we were talking about tablets here ... this whole Jimmy Dean and Links givin me a hankerin for some breakmast
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Giggles im so sorry .. fix me some while your in the kitchen..

OK, erica_renee, I need to come back and give a real apology. I am having a hard day at work today and was looking toward learning a new process on my latest toy to give me a little relaxation. I just had a customer blaming my additions to the software as the cause of their problems. Not sure if you code for a living, but that is not a fun conversation.
Sorry if I was mean, I just want to learn and not be treated like an idiot. I just want to be as educated as possible before I make a move. I see to many people getting educated because they broke something.

Its all fine
I do understand what you mean..
NOPE im not in software development in anyway. I did back in the 80s own a local computer business so i know how customers can be.. As far as my past being mean and aggressive.. YES i think it was ,better to have someone dislike me then brick there device.. I have leaned alot about android thru the official android web development site.. Its alot of long winded boring reading.
all is kewl with me. I dont take this stuff personal.People including myself sometimes can become to agressive on forums. as its not really a face to face interaction..
anyway GOOD Luck...
xo xoxoxo

I got the itch for some breakfast also.
Erica, git in dere and whup me up sum vittles!!

IM So sorry TIMMY Dean
oops i feel so stupid i just realized i was having a bad blonde moment..
and while you are cooking guys bring me some as well.. I Have been banned from the kitchen. last time i dropped a expensive glass and broke it.. Thou i used to love to cook.. Boohooo
ok i shup now because im causing yet another forum to be way way off topic..

YeeP said:
Perfect, thanks man.
Not sure if you ranted to make yourself feel good or show how awesome you are. Either way, this is not my first time to the rodeo, and not my first time on a forum where there are people that want to constantly show how tough they are. I have seen your posts in other threads and know what to expect from you. Because I am new here, I will not use the language I am tempted to with you.
It is so cool that you feel great enough that you can give someone a hard time because they want to make sure they are prepared to do things right the first time. As opposed to the opposite. Maybe because they want to understand how things work and the syntax surrounding the protocol(s).
My opinion on your opinion is to STFU and kiss my ass. mkay?
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Good job could not have said any better just using reg English. Giggles

thedoc8 said:
Good job could not have said any better just using reg English. Giggles
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No Need to downgrade....
Please see attached -
Looks like they found rood for 3.2.1...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307539
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137

mahalocat said:
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Looks like they found rood for 3.2.1...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307539
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137
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Thanks! Just spent some time reading through this thread and it seems this is the post that those with 3.2.1 should go to
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20628560&postcount=119

[Q] Tired of searching. I need root on acer 500 running 3.2.1

Ok. I need root and su and busybox for my Acer 500 with 3.2.1. Is it possible yet?

Hmmm.... this post was about 8 posts under yours.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307539
If in doubt, contact TimmyDean He's becoming a root-master lately

I am in the same ship. I have an iconia a500 with stock 3.2.1.
Have been studying but no clear answer. We can not flash rooted firmware cause we can not have cwm on a non rooted tab. Can someone write or... rewrite clear instructions?
Please, we are not experts like you people, but some steps that look clear to you are not so clear to us. Please respond.

kleanth1s said:
I am in the same ship. I have an iconia a500 with stock 3.2.1.
Have been studying but no clear answer. We can not flash rooted firmware cause we can not have cwm on a non rooted tab. Can someone write or... rewrite clear instructions?
Please, we are not experts like you people, but some steps that look clear to you are not so clear to us. Please respond.
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Would you like this spoon fed to you with a warm glass of milk as well?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307539

Ok, just to be sure. This is on the first line milkman and thanks for being ironic. As I wrote, some of us are new to android, and tried to study, but we need some things to be clear to us. "Ok, after messing around with 3.2 I decided to fix the rooting issues without downgrading"
I am on 3.2.1. So I need to downgrade it to 3.2?
Why wouldnt I downgrade to 3.0? Isnt rooting easier? What problems could I face?

Yes, you do downgrade to 3.0
Its extremely unstable everything force closes, so obtain root, flash cwm and get OFF stock rooted 3.0 quickly as you can
Stock rooted 3.2.1 is (one of) the best bets for ROMs for our tab right now. Flash that and then do some research into additional ROMs, if you want to.

kleanth1s said:
Ok, just to be sure. This is on the first line milkman and thanks for being ironic. As I wrote, some of us are new to android, and tried to study, but we need some things to be clear to us. "Ok, after messing around with 3.2 I decided to fix the rooting issues without downgrading"
I am on 3.2.1. So I need to downgrade it to 3.2?
Why wouldnt I downgrade to 3.0? Isnt rooting easier? What problems could I face?
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Well, did anybody bother to download and read the pdf or word doc file in the attached link above? Because it sounds like you didn't. I don't have 3.2.1 as I have a 501, so I have no need to perform this, but the doc even has pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph explaining each step with warnings and notes in red.
After the root is done, he even has a tool to install busybox. (you may want to install the superuser app first I believe he says)
I really don't know how much simpler it could be.
I suggest, if you have a question about the root app, as I stated previously above, you contact TimmyDean on his thread about any confusion you may possibly have.
If you are unfamiliar with certain terminology used, AndroidCentral has a good Android dictionary.
Honestly tho, it sound like you all didn't bother to download and read the doc or pdf.

You are 100% right. I read everything except that one you said. Just finished flashing. VERY EASY, and GOD BLESS YOU my friend.
Didnt understand the backdoor tools OTA and busybox. My final question is, now that I have finished flashing (first step) am I rooted or do I have to complete the other steps?

What did you flash? Back to stock?
Sent from my a500

kleanth1s said:
You are 100% right. I read everything except that one you said. Just finished flashing. VERY EASY, and GOD BLESS YOU my friend.
Didnt understand the backdoor tools OTA and busybox. My final question is, now that I have finished flashing (first step) am I rooted or do I have to complete the other steps?
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Yeah Yeah Yeah,,, act first, read instructions later
From what I understand, the backdoor tools will keep you from getting OTA updates. Maybe I'm wrong, but I really wasn't interested in that part. If you ever recieve notice from Acer, DO NOT install it. Usually, Acer likes to ship new bootloaders with their updates, just to mess with us "rooters".
Go to the Market, and get Superuser app and let it install.
I believe at this point, you have to run Install the busybox Tools (busybox folder), as I believe it gives you the option to install Busybox and Superuser tools. (not sure what exactly are the superuser tools, but he seems to think it's necessary, as when you run the app, it tell you to have superuser installed first)
And I think that's all you need. Then select Reboot the system.
The easiest way to check if you have superuser access, is to download an app that requires it.
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Oh, 1 more thing. I don't think TimmyDeans app installs CWM recovery. He didn't specify this. So you may want to post a note or read his threads as somebody else may have asked the same thing.
CWM Recovery is necessary to flash custom roms. If you get root access, then probably you need to download AcerRecovery from the market, run it, and install Thor's Recovery image. (pretty painless).
And that's it. Then you have to follow instructions VERY CAREFULLY when flashing things, and always understand fully what you're doing.
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mtmerrick said:
What did you flash? Back to stock?
Sent from my a500
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He ran TimmyDeans root for 3.2.1. He downloaded and "read" the included instructions.

no, just followed the guide step by step, read it 4 times and proceeded.

kleanth1s said:
no, just followed the guide step by step, read it 4 times and proceeded.
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Exactly
Better to ask questions, and avoid a brick, and definately read the instructions seveal times.
Oh yeah, a tidbit, make sure you hit "quote", so we know who you're replying to

Yup, it's all in the guide and if you get the latest versions (V4) there is nothing to load. It loads all the rooting tools and busybox stuff for you.
The other tools in the package are things that allow you to turn OFF OTA's so you're not blindsided by an OTA breaking root. Or you can take an OTA when you want and not when ACER wants you too. The backdoor tools are tools designed to stop an OTA from breaking root. However, V4 has one of these techniques already installed therefore if you don't turn off OTA's; most likely you'll keep root (again most likely, not guaranteed).
TD

Junkyardjames87, I think this is what your asking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1429199
but seriously...next time take 5 mins to look thru the dev section for roms.

Ok,ok. I did find timmydeans post after i just logged off. I was just really really tired that night. If you read my sig and look into the motorola bravo you will see why I've been tired. Thankyou all for the help. I did get root bty so all is good now. And remember, we all started out as a dumb n00b before we found XDA.

Junkyardjames87 said:
Ok,ok. I did find timmydeans post after i just logged off. I was just really really tired that night. If you read my sig and look into the motorola bravo you will see why I've been tired. Thankyou all for the help. I did get root bty so all is good now. And remember, we all started out as a dumb n00b before we found XDA.
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Exactly. We were all n00bs at one time. Lest we ever forget.
"The only stupid question, is the one that never gets asked" (from an old guy long ago who has since traveled to "a better world")
Speaking for a lot of regulars here, we would rather answer n00b questions, (and yes, we will give some mocking in it), than to deal with a bricked tab later.
So you go ahead and ask those questions
Sometimes, users will give you an absolute hard time. Pay no attention to it. It's because we want you to use your resources. Do your searches. Be polite, and you'll find we'll help you in all that is possible. Sometimes, we don't have the answer (rarely), but others may.
And no, we do not always spend all day on the forums. Some of us live in different countries, with different time zones. And some have jobs and family also. So if certain people don't respond, well, give it some hours.

Moscow Desire said:
Exactly. We were all n00bs at one time. Lest we ever forget.
"The only stupid question, is the one that never gets asked" (from an old guy long ago who has since traveled to "a better world")
Speaking for a lot of regulars here, we would rather answer n00b questions, (and yes, we will give some mocking in it), than to deal with a bricked tab later.
So you go ahead and ask those questions
Sometimes, users will give you an absolute hard time. Pay no attention to it. It's because we want you to use your resources. Do your searches. Be polite, and you'll find we'll help you in all that is possible. Sometimes, we don't have the answer (rarely), but others may.
And no, we do not always spend all day on the forums. Some of us live in different countries, with different time zones. And some have jobs and family also. So if certain people don't respond, well, give it some hours.
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Exactly, well said.

New HTC Advantage replacement arrives tomorrow.

My new HTC M8 replacement will be here tomorrow. I've been without for about 4 days. It's a cracked screen replacement. I plan to pull a completely stock image outside of being dev-unlocked and the TWRP recovery. It's going to be a real stock ROM. No extra anything, not even rooted. It's gonna be the very first thing I do after I dev unlock and flash TWRP recovery. I'm going to back up boot and system. I plan to post both the nandroid files and a zip file that I make from that same nandroid for those need options.

I'm sure both are already available, and don't use HTCDev to unlock it. Use TowelRoot and Sunshine to get S-OFF and go from there

EddyOS said:
I'm sure both are already available, and don't use HTCDev to unlock it. Use TowelRoot and Sunshine to get S-OFF and go from there
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I've used all of the "Stock" ROM's that are posted, here and a couple of other sites along with a few of the nandroid backups. None of them are anything close to stock. I found all sorts of modified crap in every one of them. I had to really dig to fix them so that they would take an OTA. Flashing a stock recovery isn't enough, for any of the ones I tried. I could list numerous problems with various "Stock" ROM's, but I'm not trying to blaze anyone, or criticize their contributions and work. The truth of the matter is, If one advertises something as being Stock, when in fact it has some pretty heavy modifications done to it, then I can only assume that bad intentions were the primary motivation for offering a bogus stock ROM.

EddyOS said:
I'm sure both are already available, and don't use HTCDev to unlock it. Use TowelRoot and Sunshine to get S-OFF and go from there
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What are the advantages to using those other two methods, over HTCDEV? Can you elaborate on your suggestion please?

Sleepycloud said:
What are the advantages to using those other two methods, over HTCDEV? Can you elaborate on your suggestion please?
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For 1 you won't be registered at HTC for unlocking the bootloader, so with warranty you might be one step ahead at HTC

Sleepycloud said:
I've used all of the "Stock" ROM's that are posted, here and a couple of other sites along with a few of the nandroid backups. None of them are anything close to stock. I found all sorts of modified crap in every one of them. I had to really dig to fix them so that they would take an OTA. Flashing a stock recovery isn't enough, for any of the ones I tried. I could list numerous problems with various "Stock" ROM's, but I'm not trying to blaze anyone, or criticize their contributions and work. The truth of the matter is, If one advertises something as being Stock, when in fact it has some pretty heavy modifications done to it, then I can only assume that bad intentions were the primary motivation for offering a bogus stock ROM.
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Which ROMs are you referring to, that claim to be stock? There are very few that say stock; in fact only 2 that say "stock" in the title. One is a system dump, and not even rooted. The other says its unmodified aside from root and busybox. Are you saying one of these is not true?
I can only speak of XDA, not "other" websites. IMO, there aren't many other websites worth getting ROMs from.

redpoint73 said:
Which ROMs are you referring to, that claim to be stock? There are very few that say stock; in fact only 2 that say "stock" in the title. One is a system dump, and not even rooted. The other says its unmodified aside from root and busybox. Are you saying one of these is not true?
I can only speak of XDA, not "other" websites. IMO, there aren't many other websites worth getting ROMs from.
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I'm not wanting to get into that subject. Over the past three months, I've flashed just about every ROM available for the sprint M8. SOME of the Stock ROM's and nandroids listed here and elsewhere are far from Stock. Anyone with a curiosity and some time can find the things I found. It took me a month of cross referencing and peeling apart everything three times before I was able to compile a bug free "Stock" ROM of my own that works flawlessly and will take OTA's. I bet I flashed more than a two thousand times in the past 90 days. Man, I just want to learn more and not offend or piss anyone off. I'm not gonna mention any names or particular ROM's. I hope you understand.

Wait does HTC give you a new phone to keep with the advantage replacement program? I thought it was just a temporary phone to use while the original phone is getting fixed.
Sent from my HTC One_M8 using XDA Free mobile app

Sleepycloud said:
Man, I just want to learn more and not offend or piss anyone off. I'm not gonna mention any names or particular ROM's. I hope you understand.
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I'm sure most of the folks that have posted in Development here would welcome any constructive criticism.
If ROMs or nandroids are posted as "stock" when they are not, it should be known.
Can't speak for "other" websites. There are lots of other websites that are not as reputable or reliable as XDA.