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Perhaps a legitimate reason for the $10/mo EVO fee

Just a thought I had today, but since the $10 fee did seem to come out of no where, but sometime after they said the 4G would be free at CITA, and since they haven't expressly said it was for the 4G data...
Perhaps, they knew the first batch of phones were going to have the screen problem, as well as other problems, but they found out after they had several thousand/hundred thousand made, thus knowing they were going to have to replace a hell of a lot of phones within a month or two and with this so-called "Prem Data Fee" they could regain some of the money for replacing all the early adopters phones.
I don't have the screen problem...yet, but I'm going to be exchanging mine because the speaker is half blown or something in the earpiece.
Any takers on the idea?

Doubt it, but it's definitely an excuse to pad their pockets a bit more, since Sprint has the lowest margins across all post-paid providers.

I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it) Honestly this 3g is really fast, faster than verizon and t-mobile thus far (speed test prove it). I get better signal is area that my verizon phone does, but that might because its a storm 2 ()

Interesting theory, but I think it's a bit far fetched. I truly think the $10 is for unrestricted data usage, which I am thoroughly enjoying.

I for one hope they plan to use the extra money to strengthen and expand the 4G coverage.

It is a little bit far-fetched, but you never know. Last minuet stuff always happens and companies might make drastic measures to compensate themselves.
It was just a thought, especially since they've never actually said the fee was for the data, it's for the phone experience, which directly links it to the phone, if you go by what they say the fee is for.

why is everybody obsessed with this fee
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you

strung said:
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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Strung you are boosting the IQ of the forum with answers like these
Lord knows we need all the help we can get since I'm on here bringing us down

Probably the same ideology as to why AT&T ditched the unlimited data plan right before or when the iPhone 4 was announced.
Sprint needs customers and since the EVO is going to be one major source of income and/or data usage...they probably decided to implement a fee for unlimited 3G/4G data usage while keeping the unlimited plan available. When you think of Sprint, you immediately think "SIMPLY UNLIMITED EVERYTHING!"
What I say or think really doesn't matter...the $10 fee is mandatory so there is no use in trying to fight it or be sneaky about trying to get out of paying it.

I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.

engagedtosmile said:
I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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But why? According to AT&T, a majority of its customers wouldn't even come close to the 2GB cap and do not need unlimited data

I was always under the assumption for the charge that you can hook the evo up to any computer via usb and use it for internet access.

eck0728 said:
I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it)...QUOTE]
That's exactly what Dan Hesse said the fee was for.
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Well, just an update...
The Sprint store said that my speaker was wacko for sure, and when I checked the other two phones we have tonight, both of their screens are raising up. What find strange is, mine got 10x the usage over the last week than the other two did and mine doesn't have the screen problem...yet.
Anyhow, I guess Sprint will be sending us 3 new phones.

i am rooted using wifi tether and i dont feel the least bit bad for it.. they are going to screw me for an extra 10 bucs a month im going to get my monies worth..... take that sprint.

I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.

Thank goodness I don't pay it... well not really. 10$ off from the IO conference.

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I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?

rutter9 said:
Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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I got the phone for the hardware, and android. I want to go to T-Mobile for the HD2, but it lacks the 8mp camera, no WiFi tether, and WinMo, yuck. I understand the fee in 4g areas, but they can't justify the fee for any other area. Call/email them, they sound like idiots trying to explain why we're being charged $10. "Rich data experience" (3g network?), "1ghz processor", "YouTube hd", "android operating system" are all the reasons I have gotten. I can provide email proof. The fee is a scam, not premium data.

Unlimited bandwidth discussion.

So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts.
Most of the members on here flame other people who complain about the extra $10 a month charge. I have been here, I have seen it and from day one I have been against the extra fee. Members have been so harsh and irrational as to say "Idiot you signed up without reading the contract?" or "Obviously said an extra $10 you don't HAVE to get this phone" etc etc etc.
Fine. You win. We didn't have to get this phone nor Sprint etc.
But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work.
If you need more evidence look into computer hardware. Currently, AMD is considered the best price/performance valued CPU on the market. There are a TON of AMD fanbois going around saying "we support AMD because they are an amazing corporation that does not cheat their customers like Intel does"
Bull****. When AMD was on top they were selling their native quad cores @ 1,000 when Intel was selling theirs for ~ 400. These server markets were untapped and AMD had the performance advantage. Now the tides have turned and people support AMD for the other reason.
The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.

Dude, most of the people that don't agree live in the UK and frequent these boards.

What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?

nebenezer said:
What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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.. same goes for religion.. .. LAFF

I did argue with the sales man about why should I pay extra for 4g because I'm a two hour drive from the nearest 4g coverage.

Oh Noooo! I never realized I was paying an extra $10/mo.
My goodness, that's almost 34 cents a day!!
I'm gonna have to give up 2 trips to Starbucks every month.

werxen said:
Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being ****ed by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
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No, the service is much different. CDMA is much stronger here than GSM. I have, many times, seen ATT/T-Mobile phones drop coverage completely while I wouldn't even loose data on my EVO. Metro isn't in my area, but Cricket is sh!t and not just in my area, everywhere. Dropped calls everywhere, hidden charges, ect. Also, I have had FANTASTIC customer service with Sprint and terrible customer service with ATT. I have not used Verizon or T-Mobile in a long time so I cannot comment on their customer service.
Honestly, yes we are paying MORE than the service costs, otherwise why would they provide that service? It costs about $6/month to provide service to a customer for the major carriers, possibly less. The point of ANY business is to convince the consumer that what they are buying is worth more that it actually is, which they have successfully done. It is worse in the wireless industry because there is much less government regulation, which is slowly changing. Other countries DO NOT have far better speeds on wireless networks, the US has the most robust 4G network in the world, though it is still weak. Wired connections are a different story, but we are not talking about that.
As bad as it may sound, our economy is based on deception of the consumer to maximize profits, that is just how capitalism works. Also, I really don't mind paying the $10 surcharge, 5 EVOs on Sprint (or EPICs) would cost $240/month while Verizon would cost $300/month and ATT would cost you $245/month (note that is for 2GB per phone and not unlimited) and T-Mobile costs you $250/month. And those prices are for the lowest minutes possible, while on Sprint we get any mobile. Now, I'm not going to say Sprint is the end all for all carriers, it is possible for any of the carriers to change their policies and prices. I have changed carriers 3 times, Verizon to T-Mobile, to ATT, to Sprint and have never been more satisfied with my service. That is partly due to the increased footprint of all networks, not just Sprint, but not only reception, full service.

@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.

Is this argument still going on? It's a service. The company offering the service puts a price on it. If you find the service worth the price then you should buy it. If you think it is overpriced for the value you will gain out of it, then you should not buy it.
I personally find it worth $10 to have access to any city-wide Wimax hotspot as well as uncapped 3G data. That's why I bought the phone and the associated plan. Either way it is cheaper than similar Wimax-less and capped plans on Verizon or AT&T.
If you don't use a ton of data or Wimax then maybe you should buy one off contract and then activate it or maybe pick another phone/plan.
The world isn't perfect. Most things are a compromise. Ultimately the minutiae of high end wireless data plans and devices is a first world problem and I prefer to save my energy for other things.
Your mileage may vary.

egzthunder1 said:
@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
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I disagree. OP starts threads looking for emotional reaction far too often for me to take this thread seriously.

Ha, dude, get over it. If you think other countries have better service and cheaper prices, then GO THERE...and to another forum.
One less winy, self-righteous individual clouding up the forums with their worthless rants.

dont feed the troll people...

werxen said:
So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought.
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Should I reply or shouldn't I? Ok, I'll bite.
werxen said:
So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts....
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But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work...
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The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee. What does the $10 get you? Well, Sprint charges $29.99 for the hotspot feature on the evo and epic, but without the EVO or Epic, you would need the Overdrive from Sprint to acheive the same functionality, which would cost you $60/month. The extra $10/month on the Evo/Epic gives you access to this same functionality for half the price.
The $10 also gives you access to devices with a front facing camera, which gives a much better experience with video chat applications, and lets not forget the access to nationwide wimax access (which just opened up where my office is, and I'm consistently pulling 7mb down. Again, if you don't feel that those items are any type of enhancement, or worth $10, go with a hero or moment, or hell, even the i1 - those are all android devices on sprint where you can get unlimited data without the $10 fee or access to what that $10 gets you.
As far as abusing the unlimited data goes, it's not that people are using the unlimited data that is causing the issue - by all means, use that data, after all, it's included in the plan. What will eventually screw us all over is the fact that people are using the unlimited data, and abusing the prohibited network usage clause in their contracts while doing so.
You're right, Sprint is just another big corporation. That's the whole point. Now that people are abusing the probited network usage clause, and not only using wireless tething for free and using it their main connection to the internet at home, but are also using it for things like torrents, and just to see how much they can actually download for the hell of it, there becmes a point where it no longer makes financial sense for them to offer unlimited data so cheap (compared to the other carriers) - and then we all lose out.
edit - and I never called anyone stupid, either.

dmc971989 said:
dont feed the troll people...
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.

fachadick said:
I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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except for you, you can feed the troll...

dmc971989 said:
dont feed the troll people...
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Why do people even complain? Don't like the pricing or how the company is setup, pick up your crap and go to the next carrier. I don't pay for anything I don't find value in
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.

fachadick said:
I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee.
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You know...I don't "like" paying an extra $10, but I feel it is fully worth it.
As of a week ago, I have an add a line with a hero. First android phone for my gf, and she has been on the thing constantly. Guess what? Light usage for me and I have used three times the data in an identical time frame. The two ROMS I downloaded were on 4G so they don't add to the total.

dglowe343 said:
If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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I never mentioned anything in post about "contract". I'm not trying to argue or call you out, I'm simply saying the tiniest bit of research of the phone prior to purchase would've revealed the extra $10 charge. It was displayed on Sprint and BB's websites. I never saw a contact or was ever told by the Sprint rep that sold me the phone either.
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New Explainthefee.com Blog Post!

http://explainthefee.com/2010/10/22/do-you-really-need-premium-data/
Sums up everything so far. I fully believe that the fee really is for nothing that Sprint can actually back - it's like he says, just "smoke and mirrors".
Flame away. ¡

Another one of these? If you dont like it switch companies or get another phone. I can't wait until all these other companies put out and start charging for 4G so everyone can stop complaining.
Sent from my Evo beeesshh

DirtyShroomz said:
Another one of these? If you dont like it switch companies or get another phone.
Sent from my Evo beeesshh
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Okay, well since you're pretty close to being the number one guy on these forums defending this fee, explain it yourself. You work for Sprint, if I recall correctly.

yea like we need another one of these post lol last one was crazy

I don't defend the fee nor agree with it but I also speak with my money and don't pay or buy things I don't agree with. There are plenty other options out there, G2 is one of them.
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Go to T-Mobile.

It's pretty obvious what the fee is for. It's for 4G. If you don't have 4G in your area then it's 1) to have access to it at all because you still can get 4G service if you go to a 4G covered area, and 2) it's to cover the ongoing expansion so that'll eventually reach your area. They don't say this because people expect instant gratification; don't like it? Well, then don't get a EVO or Epic.

Its for uncapped evdo and wimax. Wireless service is a commodity these days so when someone charges more than you want to pay you can shop for a better bargain. Problem is that the others all charge more and cap. Regardless of how poorly they advertise it there really isn't much better a deal out there than sprint if you have coverage. If you don't have coverage then you shouldn't even consider them. Assuming you do then its just capitalism. Companies charge what they need to make a profit as long as people will pay it. If I got a better deal elsewhere I would change carriers. Since I don't I will keep paying for sprint. Whemy do so many people not understand this?

I don't know why Sprint doesn't just tell the truth.. It's to help offset the enormous royalty they surely paid to be the only carrier with the BADDEST phone in the US..
$10/mo is well worth it, imo

I don't defend the fee- I just don't care. It's ten bucks. It's not worth arguing with the theorists like it's not worth arguing with non-tippers. You wont change 'em.
I used to tend bar years ago, and was always amused by people who would complain about the price of a gallon of milk while drinking a three dollar beer.

Even with the fee and insurance, its cheaper than cheapest Verizon plan. No way in hell would I be complaining. Phone is already badass without 4G imo.
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Sigh . . . I'm loathe to keep pumping life into a thread like this, but I have to make a couple of points.
1) It's not a 4G fee. It's an extra fee imposed upon users of high-end smartphones that will probably be using a lot more bandwidth than other users. It's basically another tax that can be used to increase infrastructure and expand service, so someday we'll ALL have 4G (or whatever Sprint decides to use in the end). Call it unfair, call it pointless, call it a good thing, whatever . . . just don't call it a 4G fee. You might as well say it's a 4.3" screen fee.
2) When you say something like "$10 is nothing to complain about" you sound like a total douche. To some people, $10 is something. Some people are responsible and keep to a budget. Some people don't have their daddy paying their cell phone bill. Heck, some people are quite well-off but didn't get that way by throwing money around with no thought. I personally switched from T-Mobile to a Sprint family plan and I'm paying almost 40% less for my Evo and my wife's Hero than I was for our two calling-only plans and texting packages at T-Mo. For me, $10 is something, but I'm better off than I was before, so it's worth it. That's not to say I'm making a decision to spend that $10 extra so I can have my Evo, but I understand that it was a choice I made. Maybe $10 is nothing to you, but that's either because you've got plenty of money, have somebody else paying the bill, are on an allowance from your parents (or a trust fund), or you just don't understand how to manage your money - in which case you probably won't have that problem for long.
3) If you have an Evo, pay the fee. If you don't want to pay the fee, don't get an Evo or any other new superphone from Sprint, because they'll all have the fee from here on out. If you want to write something, write to Sprint and petition them to waive the fee in exchange for limited bandwidth or something.
Ah . . . mountain pine.

DirtyShroomz said:
Another one of these? If you dont like it switch companies or get another phone. I can't wait until all these other companies put out and start charging for 4G so everyone can stop complaining.
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So instead of Sprint users paying the extra fee, you want everyone else to do also?. "Don't punch me in the stomach, but if everyone else gets punched also, then it's cool." Non thinking selfish tard.

alero said:
I used to tend bar years ago, and was always amused by people who would complain about the price of a gallon of milk while drinking a three dollar beer.
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This is the most quotable phrase I have heard this year. I hope you don't mind if I borrow it.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting to be ripped off, but if your using a 400 dollar phone + 100 dollar service plan and can't afford it, then maybe you should start there instead of *****ing about the price. Its about bang for your buck, and while Sprint isn't exactly cheap, vs. The "Other 3" you certainly get better bang for your buck. I have yet to have anyone show me internet speeds on their phone that are even close to mine. Not to mention they have just upgraded the $7 dollar insurance plan.

SilverZero said:
Sigh . . . I'm loathe to keep pumping life into a thread like this, but I have to make a couple of points.
2) When you say something like "$10 is nothing to complain about" you sound ike a total douche. To some people, $10 is something. Some people are responsible and keep to a budget.
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If $10 is something to you then you shouldn't be buying a high end phone. It like buying a desiel truck and then complaining because desiel is $0.50/gal higher than gas. You should have known that before you bought it.

SilverZero said:
1) It's not a 4G fee. It's an extra fee imposed upon users of high-end smartphones that will probably be using a lot more bandwidth than other users. It's basically another tax that can be used to increase infrastructure and expand service, so someday we'll ALL have 4G (or whatever Sprint decides to use in the end).
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Oh, so it is a 4G fee because that's exactly what you explained. You have access to 4G, maybe not in your area but in others. And you're also paying for the 51% buyout of Clear and it's pending 4G infrastructure roll out so that 4G will eventually get to your area. How is that not a 4G fee?
..and to your second point, you're not being forced to pay for anything. Just don't get a 4G phone. Don't like the fact that all high end phones are 4G? Then go to another carrier. You see how that works? You're not even forced to use Sprint.

The only point I'll add to this thread is that the fee is NOT for uncapped data (as someone mentioned earlier), the uncapped data is built into the unlimited data plans. The fee just gives you access to the 4g network, not how much data you get on that network.
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Its a big bull**** fee for sure - these white knight Sprint zealots are mentally incapable of processing some things.
First argument:
Don't like the $10 don't get an Evo.
- Sure this may sound easy and expected but it boils down to more than this. The Evo and the Epic are pretty much the only decent smart phones that Sprint has. We can buy an outdated Pre or Hero but will be limited in our web access and experience. Not only are these phones hardware restricted which will prevent future Android updates, but are also limited in their current capabilities. Correct me if I'm wrong, is the Hero still rocking 2.1? All things considered when Android is open-source, someone is making bank off just supplying PHONES.
Second argument:
Don't like the $10 go with "x" carrier.
- This again is stupid. Sprint is the only carrier that gives service in my area. Need I say more? I had T-mobile prior and was getting 1 bar and constantly dropped calls.
Third argument:
Its for 4G.
- Great. Even removing the fact that MOST of us with Evos don't have 4G and probably won't get 4G - the service itself has proved not to be 4G. You might get lucky but after reviewing Engadgets speed averages Sprints 4G is comparable to ATTs fastest 3G but with a 1mbit upload cap. Nice.
All in all - if the $10 was actually justified aka I could see results from it I would have no problem. So far I have seen a medicre phone with good service and lousy 4G performance. I don't think its justified but seeing as how its Sprint or nothing I don't really have a choice.
Lastly, everyone will say oh well its STILL cheaper. Big deal. Just because America is more ethical than Saudi Arabia does it mean that we do everything ethical? No. I can smell better than a homeless person it does not mean that I don't still smell like ****. The amount of logical fallacies that are present in the arguments of the Sprint white knights is absolutely breath taking. On one hand we have average people asking wtf and getting flamed on the other hand we have people like DirtyShroomz who works for Sprint and pays $0 a month for this crap *****ing about people who actually HAVE to pay for this phone.
Get over it - I'm right you're wrong. Its not a matter of maturity its a matter of education.

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Its a big bull**** fee for sure - these white knight Sprint zealots are mentally incapable of processing some things.
First argument:
Don't like the $10 don't get an Evo.
- Sure this may sound easy and expected but it boils down to more than this. The Evo and the Epic are pretty much the only decent smart phones that Sprint has. We can buy an outdated Pre or Hero but will be limited in our web access and experience. Not only are these phones hardware restricted which will prevent future Android updates, but are also limited in their current capabilities. Correct me if I'm wrong, is the Hero still rocking 2.1? All things considered when Android is open-source, someone is making bank off just supplying PHONES.
Second argument:
Don't like the $10 go with "x" carrier.
- This again is stupid. Sprint is the only carrier that gives service in my area. Need I say more? I had T-mobile prior and was getting 1 bar and constantly dropped calls.
Third argument:
Its for 4G.
- Great. Even removing the fact that MOST of us with Evos don't have 4G and probably won't get 4G - the service itself has proved not to be 4G. You might get lucky but after reviewing Engadgets speed averages Sprints 4G is comparable to ATTs fastest 3G but with a 1mbit upload cap. Nice.
All in all - if the $10 was actually justified aka I could see results from it I would have no problem. So far I have seen a medicre phone with good service and lousy 4G performance. I don't think its justified but seeing as how its Sprint or nothing I don't really have a choice.
Lastly, everyone will say oh well its STILL cheaper. Big deal. Just because America is more ethical than Saudi Arabia does it mean that we do everything ethical? No. I can smell better than a homeless person it does not mean that I don't still smell like ****. The amount of logical fallacies that are present in the arguments of the Sprint white knights is absolutely breath taking. On one hand we have average people asking wtf and getting flamed on the other hand we have people like DirtyShroomz who works for Sprint and pays $0 a month for this crap *****ing about people who actually HAVE to pay for this phone.
Get over it - I'm right you're wrong. Its not a matter of maturity its a matter of education.
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You're points are completely.... I can't even find a word for it.
It's as simple as many have said "you are not forced to Sprint, get another phone or switch carriers". Don't have any other carriers in your area, well then damn, you really are in a ****ty position at this point - deal with it, I'm sure there is a reason you live there (and it's not because of a phone). It's almost like that car commercial said "if your winters are tougher than this, you don't need a new car, you need a new place to live."
Asking questions to be educated is completely acceptable but constantly complaining about something you have complete control over (meaning you have CHOOSE something else) is not - it's just a stupid business decision on your part purchasing something you don't agree with. What you're doing is high-fiving your best friend for sleeping with your wife.

werxen said:
Its a big bull**** fee for sure - these white knight Sprint zealots are mentally incapable of processing some things.
First argument:
Don't like the $10 don't get an Evo.
- Sure this may sound easy and expected but it boils down to more than this. The Evo and the Epic are pretty much the only decent smart phones that Sprint has. We can buy an outdated Pre or Hero but will be limited in our web access and experience. Not only are these phones hardware restricted which will prevent future Android updates, but are also limited in their current capabilities. Correct me if I'm wrong, is the Hero still rocking 2.1? All things considered when Android is open-source, someone is making bank off just supplying PHONES.
Second argument:
Don't like the $10 go with "x" carrier.
- This again is stupid. Sprint is the only carrier that gives service in my area. Need I say more? I had T-mobile prior and was getting 1 bar and constantly dropped calls.
Third argument:
Its for 4G.
- Great. Even removing the fact that MOST of us with Evos don't have 4G and probably won't get 4G - the service itself has proved not to be 4G. You might get lucky but after reviewing Engadgets speed averages Sprints 4G is comparable to ATTs fastest 3G but with a 1mbit upload cap. Nice.
All in all - if the $10 was actually justified aka I could see results from it I would have no problem. So far I have seen a medicre phone with good service and lousy 4G performance. I don't think its justified but seeing as how its Sprint or nothing I don't really have a choice.
Lastly, everyone will say oh well its STILL cheaper. Big deal. Just because America is more ethical than Saudi Arabia does it mean that we do everything ethical? No. I can smell better than a homeless person it does not mean that I don't still smell like ****. The amount of logical fallacies that are present in the arguments of the Sprint white knights is absolutely breath taking. On one hand we have average people asking wtf and getting flamed on the other hand we have people like DirtyShroomz who works for Sprint and pays $0 a month for this crap *****ing about people who actually HAVE to pay for this phone.
Get over it - I'm right you're wrong. Its not a matter of maturity its a matter of education.
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Just because you don't see it, means its not justified? I don't know but, your reaching. Its Sprint and every other's carrier's fault that you chose to live in a place where their cell signals can't penetrate? Every marketing strategy is based off of reaching the most people with the least amount of work. They are not going to cater to every remote hick living in the mountains of Alaska, and to even expect that is ridiculous.
The $10 fee is Sprint's cost of doing business (even if its not, that is how they calculate it). Every company strong arms us helpless consumers, and as it has already been pointed out, speak with your money, its what I do. You could go to Walmart and get a $50 phone plan and save back your Cancellation fee in 4 months, and have Cell/test/data. But you would complain about that too.
I do not think that $10 is chump change, but I want the best bang for my buck and a 500kbps download speed for $35-50 is not what I call bang for my buck.... but then I also live in a 4G area. If you don't live in a 4G area or one that would be getting it soon, then getting a EVO or a EPIC was STUPID. You would have been better off with a DROIDX, BUT GUESS WHAT?!?!? Verizon is more expensive. You could have gotten a G2, AGAIN, MORE EXPENSIVE. Get over it, Sprint is not ripping anyone off, anymore than another carrier. But unfortunately if you bought a EVO or EPIC in hopes of 4G (I hope you read up on this phone), then sorry to disappoint. The smartest thing to do would be cut your losses, sell your phone pay off the ETF and move to a different carrier.
FWIW, My mother, brother, sister in law, aunt, and grandmother are with Verizon. They all have recently bought the Droid (Not the X) and they love it. So if you want to be cutting edge and play with the newest toys. THEN PAY FOR IT AND QUIT CRYING!

Who is not getting the Atrix now that AT&T ruined it

So, who is not getting the Atrix now due to AT&T forcing tethering and horrible pricing?
see: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ailable-for-preorder-on-feb-13-115191644.html

Me. Att is so stupid.
What is the next best phone for att now?

I will definetly NOT be getting it.
First $500 for the laptop dock by itself, ARE YOU KIDDING!!! Yes, I know there is a package where you can get both for $500. However, that requires you to change to a 2gb data pro plan with tethering. Why the hell would I pay to tether something to my phone that isn't even a fully functioning separate device?
To convince me to get it, they would have to change it to $150 phone, $150 dock, no change in my plan.
Press release HERE for those that haven't seen it.

Add me to this list.
Price of phone and laptop dock: $599.99 -- though they'll send you one of those annoying-to-use $100 gift card credit cards.
That's the price WITH a 2-year contract which carries a $325 Early Termination Fee.
Purchase of their most expensive data plan with tethering is REQUIRED. Even if you aren't planning to tether. Just using Firefox in laptop mode requires that plan.
Plus the phone is locked down all to hell, with an encrypted bootloader and restrictions on what you can download from the app market and restrictions on sideloading.
Screw you, AT&T. It makes me so sick to see such an awesome phone screwed by your ridiculous corporate policies and just plain greed.

Goodbye Atrix and AT&T. Hello Thunderbolt and Verizon.
(God I never thought I'd say the V word...)

Yah, I am very disappointed in this announcement as I was looking forward to this phone and using it on my unlimited data plan. I could have gone with the ****ty pricing, but giving up my unlimited for a tethering plan that is more expensive and when I am not even tethering anything, nope. Now I'm going to have to seriously consider going to another carrier. What are the other phones to consider now that this one is dead out of the starting gates?

I figured this news required a hitler reaction video
here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQEyFsO4XZ4

WTF..... Screw it I might as well get the flippin inspire now... I might consider switching to verizon too for the thunderbolt... We'll see.

Will still probably get it. But will also probably be getting the xoom when it comes out in addition.

Not sure at this point, will be waiting to see what happens with WMC. That LG
3D phone is starting to look pretty good imo.

shanghei said:
I figured this news required a hitler reaction video
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I uploaded this to Reddit (search "Hitler reacts to ATT's released Atrix pricing". I have too few posts to post links). If you have a username there that you'd like me to apply credit to let me know.

irishtexmex said:
I uploaded this to Reddit (search "Hitler reacts to ATT's released Atrix pricing". I have too few posts to post links). If you have a username there that you'd like me to apply credit to let me know.
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lol thanks, nah no credit needed just get word out all of us excited about atrix are furious

Guess i'm just going to settle for an inspire. Partly due to the principle of it, partly because that laptop dock was the only real thing i was excited about, i'd rather have the 4.3" screen. Tegra 2 is exciting, but I don't game much, or any heavy multitasking. So Inspire here i come

shanghei said:
lol thanks, nah no credit needed just get word out all of us excited about atrix are furious
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Posted on Gizmodo #whitenoise.

Um yeah, TOTALLY not getting the Atrix at this point. What's the point of getting it if we can't dock it and use all it's power.
Jesus ATT, this is the possible worst case scenario, expensive ass dock, tethering required. Give it to em to blow shi* out of the water. So upset. They'll lose and I hope they do, so much more money than they could have made.

I want to know what is going on in their market research department. Do they honestly think people are going to pay for this? $500 for a laptop dock? An extra $20 for tethering when you're not even tethering? I see a VERY tiny market for that. Average Joe Consumer wouldn't be interested in that in the first place. XDA Geeks totally would, but not at that price out of principle. What does that leave, business users? No company in their right mind is going to give their employees a device that will actually decrease their mobile productivity, especially at the price. Citrix or not, you won't be able to do much real work. And even with the Citrix, connectivity and speed will be spotty at best on AT&T's overburdened network.
EDIT: I wonder if this is going to be like the first iPhone where Apple had to lower the price by $100 (or was it $200?) after a month to get people to start buying the thing. You'd think AT&T would learn...

I'll get an inspire
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ATT isn't forcing tethering, thats only if you use the dock.
MOD EDIT: Respect others, first and final warning

grave101 said:
ATT isn't forcing tethering, thats only if you use the dock.
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The most defining feature of the phone comes with a mandatory charge. People should be raising hell about this. ATT SUCKS.

Infuse Here I Come!!!
Thought I had made up my mind on the Atrix, but $300 for a battery/monitor??? What's the point. I don't game, so I may as well go for the Sammy Infuse with it's bigger and much better screen, and 1.2 processor.
I'm hopeful that Sammy will feel pressure to announce a release date soon, since yesterday was HTC and today was Moto.

Breaking contract with Att

After waiting for the one x for months, I am disgusted with what they delivered. Tons of issues out of the box, no unlocked bootloader, no sd card, and miserable multitasking. Sprint is getting the s4 lte one x with bootloader unlock, and ad card. Verizon is getting it also with possibly a s5 cpu.
Any recommendations on sprint vs Verizon as far as service quality and price for the ny metro/long island area?
I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties. The customers get to foot the bill for his incompetence, and he gets rewarded 22 million for costing us 4billion+? Ponderous. Enough is enough already with this garbage. And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment! Screw Att, I am done with those thieves.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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c5satellite2 said:
After waiting for the one x for months, I am disgusted with what they delivered. Tons of issues out of the box, no unlocked bootloader, no sd card, and miserable multitasking. Sprint is getting the s4 lte one x with bootloader unlock, and ad card. Verizon is getting it also with possibly a s5 cpu.
Any recommendations on sprint vs Verizon as far as service quality and price for the ny metro/long island area?
I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties. The customers get to foot the bill for his incompetence, and he gets rewarded 22 million for costing us 4billion+? Ponderous. Enough is enough already with this garbage. And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment! Screw Att, I am done with those thieves.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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You can go to sprints website and view a map of their coverage. Same for verizon. However it should go without saying that the coverage should be next to perfect since not only are you in a very busy but city but also a well known area. I live in Atlanta, GA and Sprint 4G is golden over here. There are small pocket areas where coverage drops. And some where it drops for sprint too. As for local deals and plans you will have to check that in your area. It varies. I did break my contract with ATT though and switched to sprint. I had a hefty ETF to pay but it was worth it. Unlimited data, text, and tethering is worth it. I also like Sprint's tight google voice integration. I was using it on ATT and it was really limited but it's much more integrated on sprint.
So for me it was worth it. Love my Epic Touch 4G. To give ATT a little bit of credit they do seem to be snatching up some in demand android phones. I had no idea that ATT's version of the HTCOneX was that different either. This whole "lets change the internals of the phone for every carrier" is really annoying. The Epic Touch 4G looks different from the galaxy s2 skyrocket. And I think the global version is different too. The only downside about sprint's epic touch 4G is no NFC
But GS3 is coming soon. Hope this helped.

c5satellite2 said:
I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties.
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This type of thing happens at all telecom companies. Enjoy having no LTE over at Sprint.
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And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment!
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It happens all the time. In a year at&t will get the sweet device and Sprint users will be sad. I haven't noticed any major trends in who gets what equipment amongst the major carriers... and Sprint. Well besides the iphone. Would I change if I really wanted a device at another company? Maybe. I have an unlimited data contract and a corporate discount though so I can't really see anyone giving me a better deal.

sitizenx said:
This type of thing happens at all telecom companies. Enjoy having no LTE over at Sprint.
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AT&T LTE is kinda laughable though. I wish they left HSPA+ alone in the One X and gave me a quad-core instead.

Verizon in coverage and LTE. Sprint with prices and unlimited data.
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KayxGee1 said:
Verizon in coverage and LTE. Sprint with prices and unlimited data.
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This.
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T-Mobile is where it's at! I have their value plan and pay $70 a month after taxes for unlimited everything and 2 GB of 4G. Can't beat that.

Not sure where you're getting your info, OP, but Verizon's CEO just put out a press release stating that VZ will not be getting any new HTC phones in the short term, namely the HTC One series.

It depends on what your needs are. Do you use your data alot? Do you need the fast LTE speeds? Do you need a lot of minutes? Obviously phone choice is a huge deciding factor. All those questions could help us help you.

I have unlimited(limited) data and need 5gb+, need 900 minutes, would love lte(not a dealbreaker), 500+ text messages, free mobile to mobile calling, and be less than what I'm paying now, about $97.
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And Verizon is going to get a "one x" phone, it just won't be marketed as that. Look for a HTC phone similar in specs to LTE one x, but with a newer version CPU called S4 PRO(with new 320 gpu). Removable battery, sd card slot, 4.7" or bigger display.
Not confirmed of course, just adds up from various info and comments that have been made by qcomm, Verizon, and HTC. The biggest being they are due to release the replacement for the rezound in Q3. Everyone is bringing the 4.7"+slcd2 screen with qcomm s4 lte to market because it is a great combo, I don't think Big Red will miss out on the fun.
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c5satellite2 said:
I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties. The customers get to foot the bill for his incompetence, and he gets rewarded 22 million for costing us 4billion+? Ponderous. Enough is enough already with this garbage. And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment! Screw Att, I am done with those thieves.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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First of all, you can thank your new BFF "Sprint" for having a hand in that.
Asides from having really huge balls, I can't see how a failed merger undermines his abilities as a CEO? How do you think mergers work?
And unless you sir, own a significant amount of shares in AT&T, I don't understand how any of that $4 billion is even remotely 'yours'. Everything the company charges you are in exchange for their services, not stocks.
Lastly, could you provide me with an example where it shows the penalty fee being relayed onto the customer?
Thanks!

if you just want a lower monthly bill, I would try calling customer service, follow the prompts until you hear the one for cancel you account press 5, etc., it will direct you to the correct person, then say you're thinking about canceling because its too expensive, they will probably offer you some disscounts. last time I did it, they gave me $20 off credit for 6 months, free messaging 6 months, and a one time $40 credit I think.
worth a shot.
Ive been with them 6 years, I like GSM for the fact I can buy and use international devices, I dont like how they put non LTE unlmited plans on 3GB.
Every 1 of the big 4 has its pros and cons.

Agree about the gsm benefits.
And where dou think the 4 billion is coming from? Us. And we will pay twice, the 4bil+ in fines, and another 4bil+ to build the network he failed to acquire. I have a big problem with the "liar" receiving 22mil for failing. A better reward would have been a pink slip like everyone else would have received. Look up Randall Stephensons comments, he flat out lies, and had no clue how anything actually works. Just another entitled wall street moron ruining a great company in order to line their pockets via wall street. This is exactly why America is failing. Provide the lowest quality as long as it means higher stock prices. And even well performing stocks don't keep up with inflation, resulting in stealing from customers, as well as the shareholders. Do the research and WAKE UP ALREADY. STOP ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE CONNED BY WALL STREET AND THE ENTITLED ULTRA RICH!
Any one here get a 22million bonus after costing your company 4+bil? No, you would have been fired!
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c5satellite2 said:
Agree about the gsm benefits.
And where dou think the 4 billion is coming from? Us. And we will pay twice, the 4bil+ in fines, and another 4bil+ to build the network he failed to acquire. I have a big problem with the "liar" receiving 22mil for failing. A better reward would have been a pink slip like everyone else would have received. Look up Randall Stephensons comments, he flat out lies, and had no clue how anything actually works. Just another entitled wall street moron ruining a great company in order to line their pockets via wall street. This is exactly why America is failing. Provide the lowest quality as long as it means higher stock prices. And even well performing stocks don't keep up with inflation, resulting in stealing from customers, as well as the shareholders. Do the research and WAKE UP ALREADY. STOP ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE CONNED BY WALL STREET AND THE ENTITLED ULTRA RICH!
Any one here get a 22million bonus after costing your company 4+bil? No, you would have been fired!
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Oh god, are you one of those antiwallstreet idiots 99 percenters camping?
I won't even bother arguing the logistics with you and pointing out your failed logic on the nature of economics. Have a good day.
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Guesss you are a Wall Street(rigged casino) idiot. I can't stand occupy, it is a scam funded by certain political groups to pass more regulations.
The market doesn't keep up with inflation. Good luck giving your money to the rich. Effing economists.
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Contrary to popular beliefs,
Economists are more likely to be liberals.
But your statements are hollow and illogical. Even a bleeding heart would disagree with what you're stating.
By your logic, you're stating company revenue=customer investment.
You paid for a service, NOT for investment shares. Your service charges do not accrue to company shares. Once that money is paid and becomes company profit/revenue they can do whatever the hell they wanna do with it and no legal obligation binds them to spend it in your best interest. The loss is the company's loss, not your loss.
I don't understand how market parity and inflation has anything to do with this.
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God I hate liberals and their phony agenda. They claim to be liberal, want a million rules and regs, and tell you what to do. The only thing they are libral with is other peoples money. Anyone need more social assistance programs?
Don't like either Republicans or Democrats, they are all liars.
How about following the constitution and logic? Political parties only divide us as Americans and prevent anything from getting done.
Rep and Dem both laugh at us together all the way to the bank. Any more ultra rich need a billion dollar "bailout"?
We pay for all this crap. Period. We the people, not we the minority ultra rich!
Defend these morons all you want. Try looking past the curtain, there is more to it than what they let you see. You are being fleeced every day. Stand up for yourself, stop accepting what they "give" you. Earn what is yours, and don't let them steal it. I work 3 jobs. I work hard. I don't ask for handouts. Corporate America takes what they want, from who they want, and when they want. They run companies into the ground only to receive bonuses and bailouts. Enough is enough. I stand up for myself. You will not stand in my way.
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This has to be the funniest thread I've read in a while, and I've been a lurker on this site since 2009, but ultimately you're going to be footing the bill for your foot out the door. Either way, by your logic, you're going to be losing money. Unless you can convince a friendly CS Rep to cancel your contract without the ETF. Here's a hint: I wouldn't rattle on about the reasons you're leaving and instead make up a blatent lie. Also, put on your super nice voice.... if you have one.

Sprint, NO
its horrible. So-Called 4g