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Vibrant indeed works with 4g !!!

http://board.teamwhiskey.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1732&sid=e733dc9116b44cbd8eaa770dbba60479

looks interesting, hope it's legit.

What about for simple mobile?
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With all the new kernels and rom developments lately, my Vibrant is running better than ever before. If this gets confirmed, that's icing on the cake. I could easily stick with this phone for a while.

Just went on the t-mobile website and changed my plan from "T-Mobile Android Unlimited Web" to Unlimited 4G Web. It says it will take up to 24 hours to change, so I will report maybe tomorrow on if I get increased speeds or not.

Hmm, interesting. My wife got a G2 and we switched our plan to an unlimited one an now I have 4g enabled on my plan (says 4g web) but I never really bothered checking speeds. But it might explain why I've been able to stream at 128kbs on tune in radio. I'll need to investigate this more.
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anthonys2r said:
Just went on the t-mobile website and changed my plan from "T-Mobile Android Unlimited Web" to Unlimited 4G Web. It says it will take up to 24 hours to change, so I will report maybe tomorrow on if I get increased speeds or not.
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If you buy any 3G or HSPA+ non-Blackberry smartphone they will put you on the 4G plan. The Android plan is being phased out for a more "general" data plan, and them calling it a 4G Web Plan has no impact on your download or upload speeds. It's practically the same thing.
Went through this with them on the phone when I got my HD7 because I noticed the "Android Unlimited Web" on my Vibrant's SIM (I put hte Unlimited Data in the HD7 and a 200MB plan SIM in the Vibrant). They said it was no difference, but to change it anyways since they're phasing those plans out.
This allows them to have only two types of data plans, like other carriers: Blackberry Plans and a General Data Plan. Before they had Blackberry Plans, Andorid Plans, and a General 3G data plan.
Since most if not all newer smartphones (except mid-range/low-end smartphones and features phones) will be HSPA+ (they call it 4G), they just call it a "4G Web" plan.

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TheMan42 said:
Correct, I'll verify this.
4G web plans do NOT affect download speeds in the slightest, anything someone may think they noticed simply is experiencing a placebo effect.
Older grandfathered plans simply differentiated devices, now the '4G' moniker is used for all plans on any smartphone - be it Windows Mobile, Android, or Blackberry. Blackberry plans are the exception however, as they don't work correctly with other devices as they route through the BIS server. Case in point, theres even a '4G Blackberry web' plan, but no current Blackberry is remotely near 4G, they cap at 3.6 Mbps.
The only things that will affect download speed are the actual terminal you are using and the backhaul of the towers in your present location.
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Thanks for the clarification. I knew this was not what it was being perceived as.
The idea that tmobile has to "enable 4g" from their customer service department seemed fairly ludicrous to me (I almost broke out the "Double facepalm" pic). Especially since my Vibrant connects to HSDPA the majority of the time which I'm fairly certain, since it's backward compatible, is actually the HSDPA+ (tmobile's "4G") network it was connecting to. I never enabled any 4G data plan. Or 3.5G for that matter.
This is also probably an attempt to get people to give up the Twenty to twenty-five dollar android data plans they've been holding onto since the G1 days.

yea, I just changed services to the new "naming scheme". It does nothing.

megatherian said:
yea, I just changed services to the new "naming scheme". It does nothing.
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Man, I really wanted to believe this would work. Anyone else try it out? I tried to see what mine would do, but when I looked at the services, it added 10 bucks to my overall plan, so I didn't go through with it. I'd love to see some other reviews about this.

dougstoner said:
Man, I really wanted to believe this would work. Anyone else try it out? I tried to see what mine would do, but when I looked at the services, it added 10 bucks to my overall plan, so I didn't go through with it. I'd love to see some other reviews about this.
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Yea, I'm on flex pay and signed up with T-mobile when I got my Vibrant, so for me the price was the same.

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"4G used in connection with the Galaxy S™ 4G product name refers to the fact that the Galaxy S™ 4G is designed with HSPA+ technology."
Quote from T Mobile Web Site .
Go figure it out...

This is stupid
Guys, our Vibrants are not 4G devices and wont connect faster than 7Mbs. The plan is called a 4G plan but that doesn't mean that our hardware is capable of those speeds. Don't you think someone would have posted screen shots by now if they were hitting 4G speeds? C'mon you guys should know better than that.

anyone else notice the guy who supposedly worked in corporate in the tw thread is on flex pay....

now...im not at all sure how this works, and i might get flamed for this, but might as well ask.
So since the GS4G is the same as our phones, couldn't people just swap in the 4G radio in the the Vibrant? Much like the FFC mod?

jdm4u said:
now...im not at all sure how this works, and i might get flamed for this, but might as well ask.
So since the GS4G is the same as our phones, couldn't people just swap in the 4G radio in the the Vibrant? Much like the FFC mod?
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do you like to solder? It'd be a much more involved upgrade.

I just tried it guys so i will give you the outcome tomorrow

This one time, I went to that place and I saw a leprechaun and he was like bro here's a bazillion dollars. But then I lost my camera and someone stole my money.
Sounds stupid right? Don't go upgrading your grandfathered data plans because this 4G data plan only costs more and wont speed up your phone.

Paging Dr B said:
This one time, I went to that place and I saw a leprechaun and he was like bro here's a bazillion dollars. But then I lost my camera and someone stole my money.
Sounds stupid right? Don't go upgrading your grandfathered data plans because this 4G data plan only costs more and wont speed up your phone.
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O M G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been trying to figure this out for YEARS! Was he like the mean guy from the movies or the guy from the cereal box? I HAVE TO KNOW!!!

Sprint Versus Verizon data speeds / reception

Check out this article. Verizon's data is WAY faster than Sprint's.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2241...x_the_battle_for_your_smartphone_dollars.html
I thought I read on here some where that talked about the Epic having both LTE and WiMAX chips. Anyone else see that thread and is it true??
EDIt: decided to title the thread to better to describe to the discussion.

If you want to be nickeled and dimed sure go ahead also they have data caps and are easy to exceed with these phones and they don't have a full unlimited plan and their customer service is worse than sprint. Also if you switched just cuz they had faster data your a bonehead cuz you could just use wifi at your house or almost anywhere you go if your really wanting faster data.
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the table showing average download and upload speeds is pretty obscure. I rarely see anything below 4 Mbps in Atlanta.

DjBacon, do you get 4g in Atlanta?
I live down in woodstock and don't get **** for signal or 4g here

jbadboy2007 said:
If you want to be nickeled and dimed sure go ahead also they have data caps and are easy to exceed with these phones and they don't have a full unlimited plan and their customer service is worse than sprint. Also if you switched just cuz they had faster data your a bonehead cuz you could just use wifi at your house or almost anywhere you go if your really wanting faster data.
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everything is true except the customer service part. I used to work for verizon, only reason I switched was because of the "real" unlimited plan, and the phone itself. Other than that yes they do have a better data coverage (they always have I think), especially with their LTE service coming up so quickly. but I dont use data as much, maybe more on pandora than anything else. but if you need to be constantly connected for whatever reason, then switch to verizon.

You know what's stupid? So what? Who ****ing cares that its faster. What good is all that speed when your capped at 2gb. Sprint wins. Ill take a slower speed for unlimited data. Not to mention the speeds differ depending on area. Fastest I've gone is 900KB/s. My home connection gets 1300KB/s max. Also I've realized that these phones don't need all that speed. Its become so fast that the phone is the.bottleneck.

To be fair, its true but I'd rather have 3mb DL speed wimax (average speed i get now) at UNLIMITED than 5gb capped 12mb LTE.
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Seanc13 said:
DjBacon, do you get 4g in Atlanta?
I live down in woodstock and don't get **** for signal or 4g here
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Yup, i have 4g in downtown atlanta (obviously) pretty much everywhere I go and also out at my house out in lilburn area (northeast of atlanta). Also have it pretty much everywhere I go here. And like I said, I rarely see it below 4 Mbps, I consistently hit 5.5+ in my house

I'm on sero so im paying less for 2 lines than I would for one verizon line.. faster or not verizon can kiss my ass..
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic 3g

The only time I've ever had it or hadmore than 2 bars is if I go downtown, which I never do
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Yeah sprint is much cheaper and actually has a TRUE unlimited data plan... besides did you consider that they just released LTE so no one actually owns a 4g device to be pulling from the connection, unlike sprint who sold millions of Evos, some amount of epics, and and 4g network cards... Verizon will eventually slow down I'm sure
I've only used 4g once on my epic and its when I was passing through north carolina, and it was ridiculously fast.

No unlimited data = no business from me. Sprint already ensured my loyalty by my plan discounts but Verizon's LTE is going to be a fustercluck until they're forced to really compete for data dollars. And AT&Teabag is a joke when it comes to 4G right now as well. These tests aren't to be believed anyhow since they barely have anyone on their LTE network as it is. I live in a town with a lot of difficult zoning and get a minimum of 4 down and 1 up, sometimes much more, just about everywhere I go now. The only big tech advantage I see LTE having is better inside building reach and you will pay out your a-hole for that with Verizon.

Enjoy
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I'm perfectly happy with my unlimited 4g data with speeds of 2-5kbps. Sprint Customer service has been great too, during my difficult times paying my bill while I'm currently laid off.

shook187 said:
I'm perfectly happy with my unlimited 4g data with speeds of 2-5kbps. Sprint Customer service has been great too, during my difficult times paying my bill while I'm currently laid off.
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that is some pretty slow internet

imtjnotu said:
that is some pretty slow internet
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lol. Mbps? ;-)

epicslayer said:
Yes that's because sprint uses wimax version 1 . If sprint switches to wimeax 2.x then it will do 300megabits per second. Lte on verizon is about 40mbs
Lte will be on sprint in 2012 and full deployment in 2013
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Actually its more because sprint is running wimax of 10mhz while verizon is 20mhz plus in a better frequency...that said even without wimax 2..if they just update to wimax-enhanced which is a minor upgrade..you would get 40% more efficiency (60% more for new towers) and speeds on par with Verizon's 20mhz LTE in only 10mhz spectrum....

Sprint has horrendous customer service, though I dont know if anyone else is any better.
Verizon has better coverage out in the boonies, when you need it most.
Unlimited data is Nice with Sprint, though you have to be a hacker to take advantage of it.
Does anyone know if they throttle?

Nick_Djinn said:
Sprint has horrendous customer service, though I dont know if anyone else is any better.
Verizon has better coverage out in the boonies, when you need it most.
Unlimited data is Nice with Sprint, though you have to be a hacker to take advantage of it.
Does anyone know if they throttle?
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Here is your answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlkT7gRM0xo&feature=player_embedded
Then again its coming from the CEO of sprint..the same guy who said who said 4g will be as free as TV....

I just wish I had 4g. I would take 4mbps down anyday. I get about 1 to 1.5 on 3g
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Sprint VS T-Mobile or Tmobile and Throttling

So, its just about time to upgrade to upgrade my Sprint Phone (Evo). I got it coming up in May, unless something changes I might be going with the SG2, just looks great and it has capabilities for LTE as well as Wimax.
I just got a new job that lets me get a discount on T-Mobile, and I after looking at their plans, it would save me a few bucks (literally like 4). I have heard rumors that HSPA+ is slighly faster than Wimax but I never compared the two.
So HSPA+ faster than Wimax?
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I use my phone 90% of the time as a router. My college blocks everything so I am always on tether. I just looked it up and used 16GB last month, and that seems to be the lower average. My point is that Sprint's unlimited truly means unlimited with no caps. T-Mobile throttles after 2GB or 5GB according to the plan. How much of a throttle? Is it significant?

It throttles you down to EDGE speeds, so 2g. Around 20kbps, which won't load a black and white smiley face on your screen for 20 seconds. If you're going to use more than 5GB's per month, stick with Sprint.
T-Mobile throttles at different tiers on different plans, from 100MB-5GB
Speeds on HSPA+ seem to be faster for me on T-Mobile than on Sprint in Portland, Oregon. That could be different for you, but T-Mobile's 42mbps HSPA+ Is closer to LTE than WiMax in my opinion.

In some areas T-Mobile also forcibly compresses all images pulled down in web pages regardless of your data usage and data plan. There is no way to turn this "feature" off.

Well first the SGS2 does not support Wimax and lte...no device does except for a hotspot...
Imho you will be better off not getting the SGS2 and instead using your upgrade on a truly new device that the hardware spec is not a year old almost. That is unless $ is a big factor and you don't want to spend $250ish on a device...
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Did some research and found you are right. It is really disappointing because I had a Sprint tech and a Sprint sales rep tell me point blank that the SG2 was Wimax and LTE. Can't trust people nowadays.

Battery consumption is much better with HSPA+ vs LTE.
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It throttles you down to EDGE speeds, so 2g. Around 20kbps, which won't load a black and white smiley face on your screen for 20 seconds. If you're going to use more than 5GB's per month, stick with Sprint.
T-Mobile throttles at different tiers on different plans, from 100MB-5GB
Speeds on HSPA+ seem to be faster for me on T-Mobile than on Sprint in Portland, Oregon. That could be different for you, but T-Mobile's 42mbps HSPA+ Is closer to LTE than WiMax in my opinion.
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Goes to up to 10.
synaesthetic said:
In some areas T-Mobile also forcibly compresses all images pulled down in web pages regardless of your data usage and data plan. There is no way to turn this "feature" off.
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False.

iball8888 said:
Did some research and found you are right. It is really disappointing because I had a Sprint tech and a Sprint sales rep tell me point blank that the SG2 was Wimax and LTE. Can't trust people nowadays.
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Yeah no problem, didn't want u going out and buying a device being that misled...
It's a shame when that crap happens to ppl.
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sgt. slaughter said:
Yeah no problem, didn't want u going out and buying a device being that misled...
It's a shame when that crap happens to ppl.
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I used to be a Sprint store technician, and when the Epic Touch had the Loss of Signal issue (which has long been fixed, officially), Sprint's Tech Support over the phone told me that I should have bought an iPhone because Android always breaks. Word for word. I was like, ok so give me an iPhone, I'll give back the Epic Touch. And they said no.
These days you have to fend for yourself unfortunately. Chances are, if you're an XDA user, you know more than a carrier's tech support.

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False.
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Explain. I suffered this issue for four months and had to switch to AT&T to avoid it.

To the OP. I tried switching to t-mobile twice because IMO they have better phones and prices. but both times I had to switch back. my story: i knew tmobile had the 5gb data cap on teh monthly 4g plan i wanted so I checked my sprint data usage for 5 months and noticed i am only using 2-3 gb a month. I figured great so i went and got the Htc amaze after 6 days by data usage was over 1.5 gb. I went to the store and asked them is it possible that the data reading on the phone and website could be wrong? my setup was the same on my sprint evo and my htc amaze so it wasn't a program that could have been using that much data so i returned the phone. 2 weeks later i went back to the store drooling over the amaze but knew i couldn't get it because i would go over the 5gb easy. I spoke with a rep and he said he uses data heavily and never goes over so i said ok ill try it again maybe it was the phone. this time around i didn't tether at all except for 5 min to test it out. hardly used Pandora and made sure my setup was the same as the evo. this time i gave it 10 days and i was already over 3gb. i was half ass using my phone and still i would have been over. I have searched about this called tmobile and haven't come up with a good reason why this phone was using so much data. a buddy of mine went to att and i told him that he would def go over but after a few days he said no man im good . at the end of the month he called *****ing that he went over the att cap which was even lower than tmobile. until the come up with a prepaid plan that gives 10gb i have to stay away. oh yea and when they throttle you the above comments are correct its edge speed and way to slow for anything but email and light web surfing.

iball8888 said:
I just looked it up and used 16GB last month, and that seems to be the lower average. My point is that Sprint's unlimited truly means unlimited with no caps. T-Mobile throttles after 2GB or 5GB according to the plan. How much of a throttle? Is it significant?
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I think this will be the main issue.
When I pass 5GB, I get throttled to EDGE (2G) speeds. For most purposes this is like running out of data. You're going to be stuck at 2GB or 5GB. Email is fine at EDGE speeds - anything else requires too much speed.
Stick with Sprint, as it seems the savings aren't really significant, anyway.

IMO Sprint sucks if you're not in a Wimax area and the Wimax isn't that great anyway.. Sprint's EVDO network is an absolute JOKE. I figured since I'm not covered by Wimax I'd switch my E4GT to Boost to save money, but Boost's(Sprint's) EVDO was nowhere near as fast as T-Mobile's 3G.. It really sucks because my E4GT is hands down the best phone I've ever used, but the internet is almost unusable it's so slow.. I'm putting it up for sale soon to switch back to T-Mobile.

Speeds really depend on where you live. I have spotty 4g in my area but never need it. at my house i have to use wifi but in most places i can stream Pandora without any buffering. everyone always talks about speed but as long as you can stream music and video without and buffering whats the issue? unless you are tethering to your pc and downloading torrents speeds over 250kps will stream just fine.

This is how Verizon does it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxJoGv3FLA&feature=channel
Now that is throttling right there. They send me a new phone and it does the same. They have lied to me 3 times now, one that was just needed a reset, that I just needed a new phone and they don't throttle. I had only used 12GB and they do that. OK thats BS

itsjefflol said:
IMO Sprint sucks if you're not in a Wimax area and the Wimax isn't that great anyway.. Sprint's EVDO network is an absolute JOKE. I figured since I'm not covered by Wimax I'd switch my E4GT to Boost to save money, but Boost's(Sprint's) EVDO was nowhere near as fast as T-Mobile's 3G.. It really sucks because my E4GT is hands down the best phone I've ever used, but the internet is almost unusable it's so slow.. I'm putting it up for sale soon to switch back to T-Mobile.
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Gonna be leaving right before the network takes a giant improvement with the network vision deployment set to be complete by end of next year....3G speeds 1-3Mbps....most all 3G coverage blanketed by LTE.....
Check S4GRU.com for some details on the rollout schedule. This isn't the sprint.com/network crap that's shown this is completely different and involves backhaul changes from the ancient T1 based to microwave/fiber based...
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T-mobile rocks over Sprint for data, coverage and price
flexte said:
To the OP. I tried switching to t-mobile twice because IMO they have better phones and prices. but both times I had to switch back. my story: i knew tmobile had the 5gb data cap on teh monthly 4g plan i wanted so I checked my sprint data usage for 5 months and noticed i am only using 2-3 gb a month. I figured great so i went and got the Htc amaze after 6 days by data usage was over 1.5 gb. I went to the store and asked them is it possible that the data reading on the phone and website could be wrong? my setup was the same on my sprint evo and my htc amaze so it wasn't a program that could have been using that much data so i returned the phone. 2 weeks later i went back to the store drooling over the amaze but knew i couldn't get it because i would go over the 5gb easy. I spoke with a rep and he said he uses data heavily and never goes over so i said ok ill try it again maybe it was the phone. this time around i didn't tether at all except for 5 min to test it out. hardly used Pandora and made sure my setup was the same as the evo. this time i gave it 10 days and i was already over 3gb. i was half ass using my phone and still i would have been over. I have searched about this called tmobile and haven't come up with a good reason why this phone was using so much data. a buddy of mine went to att and i told him that he would def go over but after a few days he said no man im good . at the end of the month he called *****ing that he went over the att cap which was even lower than tmobile. until the come up with a prepaid plan that gives 10gb i have to stay away. oh yea and when they throttle you the above comments are correct its edge speed and way to slow for anything but email and light web surfing.
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I picked up my HTC Amaze (a 42.2 mbps device) on T-mobile in early January, and I live in a California city that has T-mobile HSPA+ 42.2 mbps coverage, just to be clear. When I bought my Amaze, I had to re-up my contract and at the time, I was asked to choose between a 5GB plan per month ($25 on top of the monthly $40 value plan) and a 10GB plan per month ($50 + my $40 value plan). So for price, it is impossible to beat T-mobile for the service you get.
I use my Amaze daily to go online, download and upload large files (I am a graphic designer) and watch videos and stream music. For the last 5 months I've had my phone, I've come close to 5GB twice. That is with heavy usage and this last month having a nearly two hour Skype conversation with a friend of mine where I used 2GB in one sitting!!! I also use my phone with the free WiFi Hotspot feature that comes with the 5GB & 10GB data plan as my computer's internet provider. I don't have a physical cable in my house, just my Amaze.
As far as speed, my friends with iPhones on ALL 3 NETWORKS (Sprint, Verizon and AT&T) all get slower speeds than I do. I was challenged by them and shut them all up in contests against google searches, Siri vs Google Voice Search and Speedtest.net. I have also speedtested the nicer handsets by Samsung and HTC running on AT&T and matched or beat them in my city in a few places around town. Sprint's speed was not even on the radar, barely chugging at 1mbps usually. I pull over 12 mbps usually everywhere I go, with upload speeds from 5-8 mbps on average.
As far as data, I have never gone over my 5GB but see how others could, and I bet when T-mobile gets LTE Advance up and running I'll add in the extra 5 gigs.
The greater points I'm making are the following:
A) Sprint's network it a sham. Even when they finally get around to offering LTE in California, which will be who-knows-when, T-mobile will have switched on its LTE advanced release 10 network, with HSPA+ 42.2 mbps backup, nationally. If you're a Sprint user, jump ship now or when T-mobile lights it up in 2013.
B) It's pretty darn hard to use up 5 Gigs per month if your not a power user. I don't know how someone with the HTC Amaze and the Usage monitor that is part of T-mobile's apps and in the HTC phone itself can't determine what was eating up data. That just doesn't make sense. You can easily pinpoint what's using your data by using the included Usage setting on your phone. And if 5GB isn't enough, get 10! But that option does exist.
C) T-mobile may not offer unlimited data speed at 4G, but get a 10GB plan and you will fly over the speeds you get on Sprint and save money while doing it. You could pay one price on Sprint for 1.5 mbps download speed unlimited (SLOW), or you could pay the same, maybe a little less and get 10GB at 4G speeds on T-mobile... and then in 2013 enjoy them lighting up a national LTE advance network that will arguably be the speediest LTE network on the planet.
D) The HTC Amaze is one bad-ass MoFo of a phone.
That is all.

for me i switched from t-mobile to boost because of their lack of 3g/4g in my town on t-mobile i was always on edge it is very slow, i switched to boost and i have EvDO now, its not the best of the best but atleast i can open a website now without my screen timing out. :good:

Product F(RED) said:
I used to be a Sprint store technician, and when the Epic Touch had the Loss of Signal issue (which has long been fixed, officially), Sprint's Tech Support over the phone told me that I should have bought an iPhone because Android always breaks. Word for word. I was like, ok so give me an iPhone, I'll give back the Epic Touch. And they said no.
These days you have to fend for yourself unfortunately. Chances are, if you're an XDA user, you know more than a carrier's tech support.
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You know what, they did the same thing to my dad. There was a hardware issue with his OG evo (a great phone during its day) where the speaker was going too quiet. The sales guy basically was telling him how it's because it's an android phone, how much better iphone is, etc.
Honestly I think the reason they are doing this is because they literally bet their future on the iphone. They are guaranteed to be paying apple 16 billion dollars over the next 4 years, regardless of whether or not they actually sell that much money worth of iphones. You better believe that they are going to try their damndest to sell them.
Anyways, I'm thinking of ditching sprint for t-mobile myself. I live in phoenix, which has zero 4g coverage from sprint. Several years back they told me that they would be deploying wimax here shortly. Where are we now? Nowhere.
I called them earlier today to cancel one of my lines, and they kept asking me if I want to use it for a data card, or if I just wanted to hold on to it "just in case" etc. I told the lady that I am thinking of switching to t-mobile, gave her all of these reasons why, and she brings up the "unlimited data" talking point. I kind of chuckle under my breath, and then tell her that their 3g service is really slow, their 4g service barely compares to other carrier's 3g service, and finally, they don't even offer 4g in my area, which is the 6th largest city in the US. She then tells me that they are going to be offering it here soon, so I tell her that that's what they told me a few years ago.
Yeah there are "rumors" that phoenix is due early in their second rollout, however similar rumors kept surfacing about wimax coming to phoenix next an entire year after it finished rolling out everywhere else. Other smaller towns outside of the valley (and I mean like over 70 miles away) got it, but not in the valley area.
In any case, I am on my third "4g" phone, and still have not ever had 4g. Even if LTE came soon to my area, I'm not terribly excited about it, mainly because the LTE gnex has a quarter of the battery life of the HSPA version when both are actively using 4g. I don't care if LTE is 10% faster, it's a huge f*cking battery drain.
Anyways, I'm not a heavy data user, so 4g hasn't been a huge priority to me. What is annoying is how I have to fight sprint's billing department every other month because they always manage to screw up something on my bill and overcharge me. I've been dealing with this for the last 7 years and I am tired of it. Sprint sucks, 'nuff said.
I really want to jump off of sprint, but I am hesitant because I don't know if t-mobile's voice service is more spotty, because according to sensorly their coverage is about 80% of that of sprint in my area. However, t-mobile would save me $40 a month, and because of the company I work for, I will have the activation fee waived.

Sprint coverage is so spotty. According to the coverage map I'm suppose to get 4g in my neighborhood and I don't. 98% percent of the time I'm on slow 3g. With T-Mobile I'm on 4g everywhere I go and its a good feeling to pull out your phone and handle your business with ease and speed unlike sprint.
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Do you trust Sprint's LTE plans?

Like many other original Evo 4G owners, I'm now looking for the next phone as my contract is about to be over. And luckily enough, we have 2 new devices coming soon - HTC One X (or Evo One) to be revealed on 4th, and Galaxy SIII sometime soon.
Obviously the next phone will be LTE, but I don't know if Sprint can be trusted to give me coverage. Verizon already has LTE pretty much everywhere and its damn fast. Sprint is losing lots of money, who knows if they'll ever catch up. It's also not known if Sprint users will be able to roam on LTE.

im in the same situation and wondering the same thing. i guess we will have to just wait and see?
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I am most likely going to be getting the htc evo one too. never seen such a beautiful phone lol

I trust Sprint's LTE plans.

It is a very aggressive roll out plan. If it does not work the repercussions could be huge.
I know personally I am going to stick with Sprint. If it takes a little while to get LTE in my area I know I still have 3G with a good plan.
I'm debating holding off on a new phone until towards the end of the year so there is time to get the LTE going.

Nope, don't trust them at all. Will believe in their LTE coverage when it's available in my area, already got burned once with Wimax.

According to the release maps, my area isn't slated to get LTE til at least the end of 2013. And that's not even technically my area, just a few cities around here, so I might not even get it at all. I am REALLY considering moving to Verizon next month, even though it will cost me at least 60 bucks more a month. But they do have working 4g everywhere in my area, AND 3g speeds that aren't sprint's dial-up speeds.

Just a little info for you guys about lte. When you look at a verison lte coverage map what your really looking at is the data coverage zone,not actual lte coverage. They have been caught doing this several times. Verison will admit that the map you look at is not actual lte coverage but data. Plus who wants a $130 monthly bill and no real unlimited. If you've never had them do yourself a favor and stay away.
Google it, you'll be surprised how they screw you,tell you about it then keep telling lies.
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Being completely selfish here, but Atlanta has great Wimax coverage, so I'm fine if the LTE takes a long time to roll out. That said, I definitely don't believe Sprint (or any tech/mobile company) when they give dates for service/product improvements. Also, I will never go back to a provider with data caps. I use my phone for almost everything. I watch tons of stuff on Netflix, I wifi tether my laptop when I'm out and about (and my wife's Ipad when she needs a wifi connection), GPS Nav, Pandora/Last.fm music, skype video chat, etc. I would hit that 2GB-4GB cap in a matter of days.

Sleestax said:
Being completely selfish here, but Atlanta has great Wimax coverage, so I'm fine if the LTE takes a long time to roll out. That said, I definitely don't believe Sprint (or any tech/mobile company) when they give dates for service/product improvements. Also, I will never go back to a provider with data caps. I use my phone for almost everything. I watch tons of stuff on Netflix, I wifi tether my laptop when I'm out and about (and my wife's Ipad when she needs a wifi connection), GPS Nav, Pandora/Last.fm music, skype video chat, etc. I would hit that 2GB-4GB cap in a matter of days.
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Yea 4g coverage is amazing here in atlanta but I never use it even tho I'm full bars on 4g. It kills your battery to bad and I'm always on WiFi and 3g isn't that bad
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The fact of the matter is; when sprint's 3G is back up and running as good as it used to, it's plenty fast enough for almost anything you will be doing on your phone, including streaming Netflix, downloads, etc. Network vision is supposed to be a major improvement so I would have to assumed that the upgraded 3G on it's own would be more than capable of satisfying most data needs. I say this because right before the HTC EVO was released I was consistantly getting between 2 - 3mb download speeds on Sprint's 3G with the much lower spec'd HTC Touch Pro, Blackberry curve, and even the Palm Pre. Once the EVO came out it was like somebody turned off the light switch and 3G went to total crap overnight and never come back since. Just my opinion. I'm going to wait it out and see how the Network Vision performs before I bail or go to a different carrier with much more expensive and capped data plans. i'd advise others to do the same.

I do. After the less than stellar WiMax move, and them not exactly being in the best position, I expect a strong push. Remains to be seen, but I'm looking for a solid next step.
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The only thing I trust from Sprint is that my plan will remain 30 dollars cheaper than the other guys. I don't trust any sort of data speed at all from them, haha. If I were rich, I would be on Verizon.

I plan on giving them until May 7th (i can leave ETF free at that point)
If they don't have some decent phone offerings or significant LTE advancement, i'm going to AT&T with my wife. The speeds in Texas are insane and since i've gotten used to using WIFI while on sprint, a 5gb limit on mobile data with ATT should be no problem.

I don't trust them totally. With two different companies that went bust I hope they do something good.

personally i am sceptical, but i think that they should know that a botched LTE rollout would infuriate many customers. A lot of us got screwed with the whole Wimax deal. We got our nice new phones(Evo 4G) and had to pay an extra $10/month for "premium data", not 4G coverage, which never came to most areas. The kicker is if you call sprint and mention anything aboiut their 4G coverage or 3G speeds, they will tell you "go to another carrier". they know damn well they are the only ones offering unlimited and unthrottled data, and they sure do use that to their advantage.
But back to the topic at hand... I think if Sprint wants to stay competative, they MUST stay on track with their 4G rollout.

Well....
Since Baltimore is one of the scheduled first cities, I can't wait! But I will not be surprised if the unlimited plan goes up $10. Despite Verizon and AT&T having LTE first, they still have limitations on usage and data. We shall soon see.

well i hope dis LTE is batter then dis weak 4g

Sprint confirms LTE phones will feature unlimited data.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/03/sprint-lte-unlimited-data-everything-plan/

I wanted to switch to Verizon as they have lte in Bakersfield but my mom pays the bill at the moment so I'm stuck going to att getting the galaxy note. I would switch screw sprint I've been a customer since 2004 and now seeing everyone else with their new phones and 3g that actually hits pass 1meg.... I'm switching
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dbenney said:
personally i am sceptical, but i think that they should know that a botched LTE rollout would infuriate many customers. A lot of us got screwed with the whole Wimax deal. We got our nice new phones(Evo 4G) and had to pay an extra $10/month for "premium data", not 4G coverage, which never came to most areas. The kicker is if you call sprint and mention anything aboiut their 4G coverage or 3G speeds, they will tell you "go to another carrier". they know damn well they are the only ones offering unlimited and unthrottled data, and they sure do use that to their advantage.
But back to the topic at hand... I think if Sprint wants to stay competative, they MUST stay on track with their 4G rollout.
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They never tell me to go to another carrier. And they know their 3g sucks as I called and gave them **** over that. I would rather go to Verizon pay a little extra and actually get to use the lte network than being stuck with the slowest network offering unlimited data, you can't even use the damn data it's so slow
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Verizon doing away with unlimited data, forcing tiered data

Just read that this summer all current Verizon users who are grandfathered into unlimited 3G will be forced to switch to tiered shared data plans. Exact words were "Verizon will have no problem making money" off the plans. I have been grandfathered to unlimited data. And not that I use a lot what I don't like is that the price of data is about to get considerably more expensive and I for one am already extremely unhappy with vz and this just further makes Mr want to tell Verizon to shove it up their a$$ when my contract ends next January. Thoughts anyone?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...going-away-all-users-pushed-onto-shared-data/
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Wow, guess I will be sticking with my Xperia Play for quite some time. My fiance has a Razr, so our 4G unlimited needs are covered. If Verizon is doing crap like this then they need to understand they are not a "telephony" service anymore. All I need is an IP address assigned to me and let me pay $5-$10 per GB I use per line.

jgregoryj1 said:
Just read that this summer all current Verizon users who are grandfathered into unlimited 3G will be forced to switch to tiered shared data plans. Exact words were "Verizon will have no problem making money" off the plans. I have been grandfathered to unlimited data. And not that I use a lot what I don't like is that the price of data is about to get considerably more expensive and I for one am already extremely unhappy with vz and this just further makes Mr want to tell Verizon to shove it up their a$$ when my contract ends next January. Thoughts anyone?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...going-away-all-users-pushed-onto-shared-data/
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You already know I have something to say
So far it claims that this wont effect 3g users until they upgrade to a 4g phone, I have an upgrade but I will not be using it EVER unless an xplay2 comes out ! Which could be never. But I had a feeling this would happen eventually. I seriously think the part about "making money off of data plans" is crap. They claim they want to push people into using more data, thats kinda crazy the actually claim this ya know. Like Gee thanks Verizon their basically saying " we cant wait to bank people on data plans"

I read about this.
They are doing away with unlimited, but they are introducing "shared data". I personally use about 200mb a month. So if they do 2GB for $30 SHARED (any phone and any tablet) then I'll be very happy.
I would prefer to use my smartphones without a data plan and only voice and wifi if I could do that.
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So if we just buy on ebay used phones and swap sim cards we shouldn't be affected? They said you will be forced to tier "upon upgrading". The best thing to do is wait a few weeks before this goes into effect and but the best 4g phone they have and that will get you two more years of unlimited lte
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I think that Verizon is going to find out that they could have made more money if they had kept unlimited data and raised the price of data by a few dollars. As of right now, they are forcing many users to lower their data plan and use less data because it is all they can afford. This means that they won't get much more money than before and the customer will get less data overall. Is that what they really want? If they want people to move over to tiered then they need to start updating their phones on time or even at all, and go out and get the best phones on their network. That way people will want to upgrade because the new phone is irresistible.
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This move has me thinking when some sort of Xperia Play 2 maybe comes out I will just buy an unlocked one and go on AT&T who is getting way better, as long as they support unlocked phones on what will be 4GLTE by then. Hopefully I can get an unsubsidized plan, for cheaper, and I can tell Big Red to suck a fattie, on principal.

There's one word to explain my emotions right now about this: f*ck. I use over 2GB a month with PDANet and Barnacle Tether. I need mah dataaaaaa!!!!
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The only reason I'm still with verizon instead of, say, AT&T is because I've got unlimited data. I use AT&T uVerse for home internet, so I can get a wireless deal. If I'm going to be forced to pay for tiered data, then I'm going to go to the cheapest place that has it for the most data. Not sure if its AT&T or not, but I'm going to start looking.

Rogue Leader said:
This move has me thinking when some sort of Xperia Play 2 maybe comes out I will just buy an unlocked one and go on AT&T who is getting way better, as long as they support unlocked phones on what will be 4GLTE by then. Hopefully I can get an unsubsidized plan, for cheaper, and I can tell Big Red to suck a fattie, on principal.
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I have an unlocked r800a 4g that at&t said they would activate if I choose to leave Verizon (which they pushed me on while they had me on the phone )
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The only reason I'm still with verizon instead of, say, AT&T is because I've got unlimited data. I use AT&T uVerse for home internet, so I can get a wireless deal. If I'm going to be forced to pay for tiered data, then I'm going to go to the cheapest place that has it for the most data. Not sure if its AT&T or not, but I'm going to start looking.
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I agree. Its been a thought of mine for awhile now I guess. I love my Play and wouldn't mind a 4g one and At&t really isn't that bad. Verizon isnt "exactly" being a loyal provider ..
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Yeah I was with Cingular, then 2 months later they officially became AT&T, and was with them for 4 years, I had bought an unlocked phone after my contract phone died and stayed on a month to month plan, Then I moved to Utah where all my family is, moved so my kids can be around their cousins, and about 6 months here switched to VZ, bought a droid 2 global (f...u.... Moto) and noticed that my data speeds from AT&T were around 1-1.5mbps, VZ here is horrible. I have never gotten faster then 250kbps. This mixed with their bs pricing and lousy service, both hardware, and firmware related, and now the data tiered..... yup I am going to walk into a VZ store grab a VZ flyer stick it down my pants, wipe, and stick it on the door handle. Sorry for the rant, just have a lot of anger with VZ. I'm paying $30 a month for terrible data, I can barely do GPS sometimes. Rant done

216Monster said:
I have an unlocked r800a 4g that at&t said they would activate if I choose to leave Verizon (which they pushed me on while they had me on the phone )
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Att's "4G" Play isn't true 4G LTE. The next Play I'm sure will be but I've read rumors that ATT and others may not support unlocked phones on their 4G networks (which doesn't make sense at all, but I wouldn't be surprised). Guess we will see. We are 6 months to a year out from a new Play anyway, if it even happens.

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I have an unlocked r800a 4g that at&t said they would activate if I choose to leave Verizon (which they pushed me on while they had me on the phone )
I agree. Its been a thought of mine for awhile now I guess. I love my Play and wouldn't mind a 4g one and At&t really isn't that bad. Verizon isnt "exactly" being a loyal provider ..
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I came across a relatively new in box with all material Xplay AT&T 4G for $189 with free shipping, even though I still have about 9 months to go thinking if snagging that for when the time comes I can just use it on AT&T. Thats the other reason I dont care for VZ, CDMA, cant do voice and data which is retarded (I know its how the CDMA works) Plus with an unlocked AT&T phone when the wife and I go to China to visit family I can use it there on a prepaid sim card in China.

jgregoryj1 said:
Yeah I was with Cingular, then 2 months later they officially became AT&T, and was with them for 4 years, I had bought an unlocked phone after my contract phone died and stayed on a month to month plan, Then I moved to Utah where all my family is, moved so my kids can be around their cousins, and about 6 months here switched to VZ, bought a droid 2 global (f...u.... Moto) and noticed that my data speeds from AT&T were around 1-1.5mbps, VZ here is horrible. I have never gotten faster then 250kbps. This mixed with their bs pricing and lousy service, both hardware, and firmware related, and now the data tiered..... yup I am going to walk into a VZ store grab a VZ flyer stick it down my pants, wipe, and stick it on the door handle. Sorry for the rant, just have a lot of anger with VZ. I'm paying $30 a month for terrible data, I can barely do GPS sometimes. Rant done
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Thats pretty funny though I say you go for it and then be run like hell outa there to nearest att store with the flyer
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Att's "4G" Play isn't true 4G LTE. The next Play I'm sure will be but I've read rumors that ATT and others may not support unlocked phones on their 4G networks (which doesn't make sense at all, but I wouldn't be surprised). Guess we will see. We are 6 months to a year out from a new Play anyway, if it even happens.
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But its still 4g.. certainly can't be slower then vz 3g right?
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I came across a relatively new in box with all material Xplay AT&T 4G for $189 with free shipping, even though I still have about 9 months to go thinking if snagging that for when the time comes I can just use it on AT&T. Thats the other reason I dont care for VZ, CDMA, cant do voice and data which is retarded (I know its how the CDMA works) Plus with an unlocked AT&T phone when the wife and I go to China to visit family I can use it there on a prepaid sim card in China.
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Yea att 4g play has some perks I must say!
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216Monster said:
But its still 4g.. certainly can't be slower then vz 3g right?
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Supposedly ATT 3G is faster than Verizon 3G. Their "4G" right now is HSPA+ which is really more like 3.5G so its definitely faster. However the new 4G LTE, its like broadband speed. My Mother has a 4G LTE Droid Razr, its so fast that her data service is indistinguishable from WiFi from our cable connection.

jgregoryj1 said:
I came across a relatively new in box with all material Xplay AT&T 4G for $189 with free shipping, even though I still have about 9 months to go thinking if snagging that for when the time comes I can just use it on AT&T. Thats the other reason I dont care for VZ, CDMA, cant do voice and data which is retarded (I know its how the CDMA works) Plus with an unlocked AT&T phone when the wife and I go to China to visit family I can use it there on a prepaid sim card in China.
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Eh, the only reason that AT&T can do both voice and data at the same time is because of how their signal works. Those phones are always receiving two types of signal, so when you're on the phone, the data works at the same time, so long as you have adequate signal for that function.
Personally, the simultaneous voice and data isn't really a draw for me, as I can't think of when I'd ever need to use it. Besides that, it seems rude, at least to me, to be talking and surfing at the same time.

Rogue Leader said:
Supposedly ATT 3G is faster than Verizon 3G. Their "4G" right now is HSPA+ which is really more like 3.5G so its definitely faster. However the new 4G LTE, its like broadband speed. My Mother has a 4G LTE Droid Razr, its so fast that her data service is indistinguishable from WiFi from our cable connection.
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Oh . Well ty for the info! And my brother has a droid4 and vz 4glte is some quick stuff definitely!
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Verizon is only forcing you to a tiered plan when you get a new 3G or 4G phone. Otherwise, you can keep your unlimited data.
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Verizon is only forcing you to a tiered plan when you get a new 3G or 4G phone. Otherwise, you can keep your unlimited data.
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Until they change that to
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Do we have any idea when this will take effect, or just "sometime this summer"?