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Lol at Verizon's LTE pricing

Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.

I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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We all know verizon will be a reliable lte provider. But can they keep up with sprints pricing.
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<

crazyloof said:
Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Uh, no one has true 4G. In order to get that, you have to wait for Wimax 2 and LTE-Advanced.
And "The WiMAX Forum expects to see WiMAX Release 2 available commercially in the 2011-2012 timeframe."
The LTE-Advanced standard won't even be ratified until 2011.

I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.

SilverStone641 said:
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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They most likely will. If not, there is a lot of money to be lost there. It's becoming an industry standard.

SilverStone641 said:
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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He stated that he is fully committed to wimax. He did state earlier that he was thinking about testing out LTE alongside wimax.
Ha.... I thought that was 2 different people posting... D:

Ill take sprint any day of the week as they are the only contender with a truely unlimited data plan.
I pay for tethering, im rooted and could get it for free, but pushing no-fine-print unlimited data is is a huge huge win in my book, not to mention that sprint hasn't screwed me over once since I switched from t-mobile (t-mobile screwed me over every chance they got), they did kinda sneak the $5 spending limit onto my account, but after a quick chat with a rep, they now give me $4.99 credit toward my bill every month.
Wimax is still rolling out in my area (I can get the signal, but its weak and slow), so I primarily use 3G. My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit. Sprints 3G might not be as fast as a regular internet connection, but sometimes its all I have access to, and its usually better that using Quest DSL through the $10 walmart-special router.
....I pushed nearly 70GB last month in 3G data, and 37GB in the last two weeks....not a single peep/complaint/charge from sprint.
I dont care how fast a network is, being able to do what I do with my phone makes my job much much easier and less of a headache, in my book unlimited data>network speed. Im eagerly awaiting the 4G rollout in my area, as it rivals my oversaturated comcast connection.
It also feels good knowing that, if sprint ever does decide to change their plans on data usage, I will be grandfathered into unlimited data for my stay. I also see this as being one of the last non-tiered data plans avalable (at least in the US anyway), if sprint ever does change, their wont be any more.....
...well, that was a long rant...

starnostar said:
My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit.
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Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...

SilverStone641 said:
Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
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not to go OT, but it sounds like he is selling his labor and time, not the rom itself.

Nefariouss said:
Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
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Ima sprint cust but work for vzw those plans are for tge modems not phones no word yet on the premium data for phones

Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.

devnulldroid said:
Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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First of all, why would you want a sprint/t-mobile merger?? T-mobile has nothing that we don't. Secondly, what would sprint OR tmobile have to do with cable companies? wouldn't sites like hulu, vudu and boxee be better suited to "smack the cable companies" around? i believe most people are aware that they can get all their normal shows online. the cable box is just too convenient and familiar.

crazyloof said:
Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.

jdh10475 said:
LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.

thetakara said:
Uh, no one has true 4G. .
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"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"

mattykinsx said:
"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
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4G also does not just mean speed. A true 4G network is an all IP network. Meaning no more circuit switched voice call transmission. Everything is packet switched. Calls are VOIP. A true 4G network allows VOIP calls to seamlessly be handed off to a wifi connection and back ect. All these carriers boasting 4G has degraded the significance of what a true 4G network is. And no one is there to blow the whistle on this false advertising.

JKingDev said:
Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
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Further not faster.
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jkinnison90 said:
I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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Which conveniently is when my contract is up on my EVO.
I'll go to whoever has the best technology at the best price. I bought the iPhone 3G on release and then switched to the EVO after my contract. If someone has a better option in 2 years then I'll go with that.
Wimax is more than enough to get me through it.

Sprint's Network Loses Badly in National Speed Test

Sprint has proven once again that their Network vision upgrade needs to have happened yesterday. These results show not only that sprint's network is struggling in some areas but MOST areas.
They only managed a 480kbps average EV-DO (3G) speed, the slowest speed tested. Their 4g and 3g networks were also some of the least reliable networks tested.
Get the picture Sprint. We need a real 4g network on a real spectrum. A 2500mhz Wimax network spottily thrown together isn't going to cut it, neither is 10 year old backhaul. It's make or break time Sprint.

Are we looking at the same chart?
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All I care about is if I get good reception.
And I don't.

Should have come to Baton Rouge. They would have scored 0.05 megabit on the speedtest all day long!

The old adage holds true, you get what you pay for..

Well, first I'd like to mention these stats offer no souce or details on how/where and how many times these figures were tested, which I usually like to see (I'm the skeptical type)
That being said, I agree. I'm lucky to be in Chicago, pretty decent 4g and 3g coverage, but 3g's been slowing down more and more and it shows in many places. They need to pick it up on 3g (their main network). No reason for a tower to only offer 1.2 (1 T1 line minus 300kbps for sprint control) even at 4am on a Tuesday in the suburbs, when Verizons almost always 2mpbs or more with full bars on 3g (and has been for years), same network technology. Its data speeds on 3g I've never been quite happy with.
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makes me miss verizon =[

Ya know, they all suck right now. Verizon's going metered and is cdma (less support), T-mobile's going to get eaten by AT&T because our government can't do the only thing it's supposed to do while it's busy doing everything it isn't supposed to do, Sprint is suffering 3g data slowdown, and again is cdma which means less support.
I've been toying with an idea lately to get the World version GSII, do the iphone trick (get an att sim card with basic voice, pop that in a 2g orig iphone to get on the edge data plan which is ONLY available as unlimited, pop that in a 3g iphone to get auto-upgraded to the $30, grandfathered unlimited data plan) and use it on AT&T with unlimited data. The ONLY issue I have with this (as I'd have my unlimited data, GV for sms) is I'd be paying money to a truly terrible entity (AT&T) and I sincerely morally object to everything they're doing. And yet it would mean a much much larger community...

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makes me miss verizon =[
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I know someone who says they can see their data speeds die on Verizon with evry new phone launch. Especially the 4g signal.

compuw22c said:
Ya know, they all suck right now. Verizon's going metered and is cdma (less support), T-mobile's going to get eaten by AT&T because our government can't do the only thing it's supposed to do while it's busy doing everything it isn't supposed to do, Sprint is suffering 3g data slowdown, and again is cdma which means less support.
I've been toying with an idea lately to get the World version GSII, do the iphone trick (get an att sim card with basic voice, pop that in a 2g orig iphone to get on the edge data plan which is ONLY available as unlimited, pop that in a 3g iphone to get auto-upgraded to the $30, grandfathered unlimited data plan) and use it on AT&T with unlimited data. The ONLY issue I have with this (as I'd have my unlimited data, GV for sms) is I'd be paying money to a truly terrible entity (AT&T) and I sincerely morally object to everything they're doing. And yet it would mean a much much larger community...
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My sister is doing an even easier and cheaper trick. Get a t-mobile vibrant or motorola defy for $200 then unlock it your self and use it with a $15 a month medianet unlimited data plan. You could take advantage of at&t's $50 unlimited everything prepaid plan too. You just need to make sure to get a phone which works with att's 3g frequency bands (moto defy/vibrant/i9000/sgs 2/rogers nexus s) but isn't on their system as a recognized smart phone ,(in other words one they don't sell).
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Until Sprint gets rid of their unlimited data plan, I will tolerate them for now.

Jayavarman said:
Until Sprint gets rid of their unlimited data plan, I will tolerate them for now.
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+1 Hopefully they won't go the route of everyone else. If they did I'm going back to a dumb phone because unlimited data is the main reason I have a smartphone.

lynyrd65 said:
My sister is doing an even easier and cheaper trick. Get a t-mobile vibrant or motorola defy for $200 then unlock it your self and use it with a $15 a month medianet unlimited data plan. You could take advantage of at&t's $50 unlimited everything prepaid plan too. You just need to make sure to get a phone which works with att's 3g frequency bands (moto defy/vibrant/i9000/sgs 2/rogers nexus s) but isn't on their system as a recognized smart phone ,(in other words one they don't sell).
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Only problem with this is I don't believe the i9000 or gsII (or any world phone) works on tmo 3g aws bands. Only att plus they'll be att soon...
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yeah Verizon did this test.. and im sure they did it in Verizon areas.. These test are like benchmarks on our phones... yeah its cool to say.. hey I have the fastest internet on my phone.. but truthfully it doesn't mean anything.. I personally use my WIFI for the most part and use my 3g/4g randomly when im bored shopping with my wife.. besides... I have unlimited 3g/4g.. I guess sprint lost bc of that too?

Spring is the new tmobile
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xTmDarren said:
yeah Verizon did this test.. and im sure they did it in Verizon areas.. These test are like benchmarks on our phones... yeah its cool to say.. hey I have the fastest internet on my phone.. but truthfully it doesn't mean anything.. I personally use my WIFI for the most part and use my 3g/4g randomly when im bored shopping with my wife.. besides... I have unlimited 3g/4g.. I guess sprint lost bc of that too?
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I also use wifi most often when I am surfing with my phone. This test was performed by Verizon? I didn't catch that part. Where did you see that?

In the end Sprint will show us that sticking with them meant nothing. As soon as Verizon gets their tiered data underway. Sprint will go that route too, and give us just a little more than ATT and Verizon. They know we will have nowhere else to go! I just wish I had ditched sprint in February when I started too. Verizon 4G is in my area and i'm stuck with slow speeds.

nebrando said:
I also use wifi most often when I am surfing with my phone. This test was performed by Verizon? I didn't catch that part. Where did you see that?
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Well, the whole line is highlighted and there's no source listed so, probably. We still haven't seen any testing method data so I call shenanigans til I see a source named.
That said, my moms droid charge pulls in 16/4 (my home internet is only 12/1.5). But that's 4g and not all their new phones are...
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The test was done by PCMag (http://www.pcmag.com/Fastest-Mobile-Networks-2011)
That being said, my work is a VZW Deadzone, where-as I get at least some Spring signal. I average 9mb/1.5mb down/up on 4G in and around my neighborhood and if my 3G signal can be slower than what is on the chart, its still far faster than anything I need to do daily. If I need more, I'll go 4G/Wifi and be done with it. I abuse the hell outta my unlimited, averaging upwards of 6GB a month data on my phone alone (the wifey also has a Epic on the plan) and I've now thrown a GTab 10.1 into the mix and tether of the phone.
compuw22c said:
Well, the whole line is highlighted and there's no source listed so, probably. We still haven't seen any testing method data so I call shenanigans til I see a source named.
That said, my moms droid charge pulls in 16/4 (my home internet is only 12/1.5). But that's 4g and not all their new phones are...
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Undoubtedly there is a correlation between the all-you-can-eat data and the slow speeds - ie burden on the network.

Verizon's 4G LTE makes me cry.

So, my cousins, who have Verizon came over to my house today. I asked if I could look at the Droid Charge, they said sure. Upon turning on the phone, I instantly notice the 4G LTE icon next to the signal bars, on top of it being 4-5 bars out of 6. So I had to do a speedtest to compare with Sprint's 4G (at my house, mind you). Verizon's 4G LTE hit 20,000 Kbps DL, and 3,000 kbps UL. Whereas Sprint hit 1,100 kbps DL, 300 kbps UL. I decided to really test this monster called 4G and hit up my home WiFi via Comcast. My Comcast high speed internet home service hit 13,000 kbps DL, and 6,000 kbps UL. This just made me sad that Verizon's LTE had that much potential. Sprint's 3G speeds score 2,650(ish) at my house for DL, but it's nothing compared to LTE. Will Sprint's LTE be better than WiMax to this extent, or is it just the location of the towers?
I'm happy with Sprint's unlimited service, so switching carriers isn't even an option in my mind, but I am curious as to what Sprint's 4G plans are later on.
I did laugh though, that the overpriced Droid Charge is on FroYo still. lol typical Samsung.

I always wonder why people need 20 megabits on their phone...maybe for hot spot but other than that it is overkill. 2gb cap comes real fast at 20 megabits too.

digiblur said:
I always wonder why people need 20 megabits on their phone...maybe for hot spot but other than that it is overkill. 2gb cap comes real fast at 20 megabits too.
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Yep, which is exactly why I'm not on Verizon right now. lol! Verizon's 3G speeds are half Sprint's 3G speeds at my house. I just like the fact that the phone can handle downloading ROMs within seconds if necessary.

at least my data aint throttled .... yet.

The 2 gig cap is the problem. DL a movie and a few roms and the LTE is costing ya top $$$$$.
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yeah, I've already used up 2GB (from Netflix mostly) LOL while Comcast did maintenance one night.

Not to mention how much more Verizon plans are just to start with. You save almost enough for a broadband card for a laptop.
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Overstew said:
So, my cousins, who have Verizon came over to my house today. I asked if I could look at the Droid Charge, they said sure. Upon turning on the phone, I instantly notice the 4G LTE icon next to the signal bars, on top of it being 4-5 bars out of 6. So I had to do a speedtest to compare with Sprint's 4G (at my house, mind you). Verizon's 4G LTE hit 20,000 Kbps DL, and 3,000 kbps UL. Whereas Sprint hit 1,100 kbps DL, 300 kbps UL. I decided to really test this monster called 4G and hit up my home WiFi via Comcast. My Comcast high speed internet home service hit 13,000 kbps DL, and 6,000 kbps UL. This just made me sad that Verizon's LTE had that much potential. Sprint's 3G speeds score 2,650(ish) at my house for DL, but it's nothing compared to LTE. Will Sprint's LTE be better than WiMax to this extent, or is it just the location of the towers?
I'm happy with Sprint's unlimited service, so switching carriers isn't even an option in my mind, but I am curious as to what Sprint's 4G plans are later on.
I did laugh though, that the overpriced Droid Charge is on FroYo still. lol typical Samsung.
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You're tellin me! I barely get 200k of anything! Sprint LTE will be the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to my area!
I too live in a verizon LTE area with record breaking speeds.
FML
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Me and my buddy who is on verizon with a charge also have done the compairsons showing verizon Is much faster. However verizons lte is very new, compared to "sprint" 4g which has sprint, comcast, and clear users on the network. When clear 4g hit seattle, I was early on the bandwagon and it wasn't uncommon for me to hit 14000 kbs down now I see maybe 7000kbs down on the regular. Also sprint teathering is the only way to get 4g without any throttling after heavy usage. Were as clear and comcast throttle after about 20gb usage a week roughly. So we will see as verizon loads its network what lte truely has to offer.
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My wife has a Charge. I've watched the sickness that is their LTE. It also makes me glad I'm not sharing a bill. I think Sprint scares everyone else because they most resemble the mentality of Thomas Edison, “I shall make electricity so cheap that only the rich can afford to burn candles.”

The biggest impediment is money right now. Sprint and Clearwire need billions of dollars. Recent debt ceiling debacle has made corporate financing even harder and more expensive. Meanwhile, Lightsquared has to win over its regulatory issues concerning GPS.
The clock is ticking. Subscribers are fleeing. Ultimately, Sprint needs the iPhone ASAP.

My work is switching from sprint to verizon. I don't know why. But they are offering the lg revolution, the droid x, driod 2 incredible and of course the iphone 4. I told one guy good luck with that. I wouldn't mind trying the lg phone but still kinda lame they have to use a signal booster. So now my signal will be roaming
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Jayavarman said:
The biggest impediment is money right now. Sprint and Clearwire need billions of dollars. Recent debt ceiling debacle has made corporate financing even harder and more expensive. Meanwhile, Lightsquared has to win over its regulatory issues concerning GPS.
The clock is ticking. Subscribers are fleeing. Ultimately, Sprint needs the iPhone ASAP.
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How much you want to bet Big Red and the Death Star have their grubby hands in the regulators pockets?

lol death star

The Root said:
My wife has a Charge. I've watched the sickness that is their LTE. It also makes me glad I'm not sharing a bill. I think Sprint scares everyone else because they most resemble the mentality of Thomas Edison, “I shall make electricity so cheap that only the rich can afford to burn candles.”
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excellent analogy. I dont know what 4g is like, its nowhere near my area at all. I use wifi on my home network, and that is 23,000kbps so its almost 4g haha.

sohardivetried said:
excellent analogy. I dont know what 4g is like, its nowhere near my area at all. I use wifi on my home network, and that is 23,000kbps so its almost 4g haha.
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It very convenient when you're on the go, but when you're home WiFi is pretty much better to use than 4G because it doesn't strain the battery that much. The good thing about 4G is if Comcast is doing maintenance at your house like they did mine one night, you'll be without internet for a few hours and 4G as a temporary connection.

I generally get 6 Mbps download and 1 Mbps up. Plenty quick for a phone in my opinion. For some reason at my work though, WiMax consistently tests out between 9 and 11 Mbps. Makes me think that I am either close to a tower or there aren't many 4G users out there. Either way, I can download data faster than the average person can to their home PC. No complaints here.

Damn I wish I had 20000 kbps on my phone. I have no 4g here and Verizon is roaming In my area. Luckily I use my wifi all the time and get like 18 megs down.
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Sprint VS T-Mobile or Tmobile and Throttling

So, its just about time to upgrade to upgrade my Sprint Phone (Evo). I got it coming up in May, unless something changes I might be going with the SG2, just looks great and it has capabilities for LTE as well as Wimax.
I just got a new job that lets me get a discount on T-Mobile, and I after looking at their plans, it would save me a few bucks (literally like 4). I have heard rumors that HSPA+ is slighly faster than Wimax but I never compared the two.
So HSPA+ faster than Wimax?
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I use my phone 90% of the time as a router. My college blocks everything so I am always on tether. I just looked it up and used 16GB last month, and that seems to be the lower average. My point is that Sprint's unlimited truly means unlimited with no caps. T-Mobile throttles after 2GB or 5GB according to the plan. How much of a throttle? Is it significant?

It throttles you down to EDGE speeds, so 2g. Around 20kbps, which won't load a black and white smiley face on your screen for 20 seconds. If you're going to use more than 5GB's per month, stick with Sprint.
T-Mobile throttles at different tiers on different plans, from 100MB-5GB
Speeds on HSPA+ seem to be faster for me on T-Mobile than on Sprint in Portland, Oregon. That could be different for you, but T-Mobile's 42mbps HSPA+ Is closer to LTE than WiMax in my opinion.

In some areas T-Mobile also forcibly compresses all images pulled down in web pages regardless of your data usage and data plan. There is no way to turn this "feature" off.

Well first the SGS2 does not support Wimax and lte...no device does except for a hotspot...
Imho you will be better off not getting the SGS2 and instead using your upgrade on a truly new device that the hardware spec is not a year old almost. That is unless $ is a big factor and you don't want to spend $250ish on a device...
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Did some research and found you are right. It is really disappointing because I had a Sprint tech and a Sprint sales rep tell me point blank that the SG2 was Wimax and LTE. Can't trust people nowadays.

Battery consumption is much better with HSPA+ vs LTE.
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It throttles you down to EDGE speeds, so 2g. Around 20kbps, which won't load a black and white smiley face on your screen for 20 seconds. If you're going to use more than 5GB's per month, stick with Sprint.
T-Mobile throttles at different tiers on different plans, from 100MB-5GB
Speeds on HSPA+ seem to be faster for me on T-Mobile than on Sprint in Portland, Oregon. That could be different for you, but T-Mobile's 42mbps HSPA+ Is closer to LTE than WiMax in my opinion.
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Goes to up to 10.
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In some areas T-Mobile also forcibly compresses all images pulled down in web pages regardless of your data usage and data plan. There is no way to turn this "feature" off.
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False.

iball8888 said:
Did some research and found you are right. It is really disappointing because I had a Sprint tech and a Sprint sales rep tell me point blank that the SG2 was Wimax and LTE. Can't trust people nowadays.
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Yeah no problem, didn't want u going out and buying a device being that misled...
It's a shame when that crap happens to ppl.
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sgt. slaughter said:
Yeah no problem, didn't want u going out and buying a device being that misled...
It's a shame when that crap happens to ppl.
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I used to be a Sprint store technician, and when the Epic Touch had the Loss of Signal issue (which has long been fixed, officially), Sprint's Tech Support over the phone told me that I should have bought an iPhone because Android always breaks. Word for word. I was like, ok so give me an iPhone, I'll give back the Epic Touch. And they said no.
These days you have to fend for yourself unfortunately. Chances are, if you're an XDA user, you know more than a carrier's tech support.

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False.
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Explain. I suffered this issue for four months and had to switch to AT&T to avoid it.

To the OP. I tried switching to t-mobile twice because IMO they have better phones and prices. but both times I had to switch back. my story: i knew tmobile had the 5gb data cap on teh monthly 4g plan i wanted so I checked my sprint data usage for 5 months and noticed i am only using 2-3 gb a month. I figured great so i went and got the Htc amaze after 6 days by data usage was over 1.5 gb. I went to the store and asked them is it possible that the data reading on the phone and website could be wrong? my setup was the same on my sprint evo and my htc amaze so it wasn't a program that could have been using that much data so i returned the phone. 2 weeks later i went back to the store drooling over the amaze but knew i couldn't get it because i would go over the 5gb easy. I spoke with a rep and he said he uses data heavily and never goes over so i said ok ill try it again maybe it was the phone. this time around i didn't tether at all except for 5 min to test it out. hardly used Pandora and made sure my setup was the same as the evo. this time i gave it 10 days and i was already over 3gb. i was half ass using my phone and still i would have been over. I have searched about this called tmobile and haven't come up with a good reason why this phone was using so much data. a buddy of mine went to att and i told him that he would def go over but after a few days he said no man im good . at the end of the month he called *****ing that he went over the att cap which was even lower than tmobile. until the come up with a prepaid plan that gives 10gb i have to stay away. oh yea and when they throttle you the above comments are correct its edge speed and way to slow for anything but email and light web surfing.

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I just looked it up and used 16GB last month, and that seems to be the lower average. My point is that Sprint's unlimited truly means unlimited with no caps. T-Mobile throttles after 2GB or 5GB according to the plan. How much of a throttle? Is it significant?
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I think this will be the main issue.
When I pass 5GB, I get throttled to EDGE (2G) speeds. For most purposes this is like running out of data. You're going to be stuck at 2GB or 5GB. Email is fine at EDGE speeds - anything else requires too much speed.
Stick with Sprint, as it seems the savings aren't really significant, anyway.

IMO Sprint sucks if you're not in a Wimax area and the Wimax isn't that great anyway.. Sprint's EVDO network is an absolute JOKE. I figured since I'm not covered by Wimax I'd switch my E4GT to Boost to save money, but Boost's(Sprint's) EVDO was nowhere near as fast as T-Mobile's 3G.. It really sucks because my E4GT is hands down the best phone I've ever used, but the internet is almost unusable it's so slow.. I'm putting it up for sale soon to switch back to T-Mobile.

Speeds really depend on where you live. I have spotty 4g in my area but never need it. at my house i have to use wifi but in most places i can stream Pandora without any buffering. everyone always talks about speed but as long as you can stream music and video without and buffering whats the issue? unless you are tethering to your pc and downloading torrents speeds over 250kps will stream just fine.

This is how Verizon does it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxJoGv3FLA&feature=channel
Now that is throttling right there. They send me a new phone and it does the same. They have lied to me 3 times now, one that was just needed a reset, that I just needed a new phone and they don't throttle. I had only used 12GB and they do that. OK thats BS

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IMO Sprint sucks if you're not in a Wimax area and the Wimax isn't that great anyway.. Sprint's EVDO network is an absolute JOKE. I figured since I'm not covered by Wimax I'd switch my E4GT to Boost to save money, but Boost's(Sprint's) EVDO was nowhere near as fast as T-Mobile's 3G.. It really sucks because my E4GT is hands down the best phone I've ever used, but the internet is almost unusable it's so slow.. I'm putting it up for sale soon to switch back to T-Mobile.
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Gonna be leaving right before the network takes a giant improvement with the network vision deployment set to be complete by end of next year....3G speeds 1-3Mbps....most all 3G coverage blanketed by LTE.....
Check S4GRU.com for some details on the rollout schedule. This isn't the sprint.com/network crap that's shown this is completely different and involves backhaul changes from the ancient T1 based to microwave/fiber based...
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To the OP. I tried switching to t-mobile twice because IMO they have better phones and prices. but both times I had to switch back. my story: i knew tmobile had the 5gb data cap on teh monthly 4g plan i wanted so I checked my sprint data usage for 5 months and noticed i am only using 2-3 gb a month. I figured great so i went and got the Htc amaze after 6 days by data usage was over 1.5 gb. I went to the store and asked them is it possible that the data reading on the phone and website could be wrong? my setup was the same on my sprint evo and my htc amaze so it wasn't a program that could have been using that much data so i returned the phone. 2 weeks later i went back to the store drooling over the amaze but knew i couldn't get it because i would go over the 5gb easy. I spoke with a rep and he said he uses data heavily and never goes over so i said ok ill try it again maybe it was the phone. this time around i didn't tether at all except for 5 min to test it out. hardly used Pandora and made sure my setup was the same as the evo. this time i gave it 10 days and i was already over 3gb. i was half ass using my phone and still i would have been over. I have searched about this called tmobile and haven't come up with a good reason why this phone was using so much data. a buddy of mine went to att and i told him that he would def go over but after a few days he said no man im good . at the end of the month he called *****ing that he went over the att cap which was even lower than tmobile. until the come up with a prepaid plan that gives 10gb i have to stay away. oh yea and when they throttle you the above comments are correct its edge speed and way to slow for anything but email and light web surfing.
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I picked up my HTC Amaze (a 42.2 mbps device) on T-mobile in early January, and I live in a California city that has T-mobile HSPA+ 42.2 mbps coverage, just to be clear. When I bought my Amaze, I had to re-up my contract and at the time, I was asked to choose between a 5GB plan per month ($25 on top of the monthly $40 value plan) and a 10GB plan per month ($50 + my $40 value plan). So for price, it is impossible to beat T-mobile for the service you get.
I use my Amaze daily to go online, download and upload large files (I am a graphic designer) and watch videos and stream music. For the last 5 months I've had my phone, I've come close to 5GB twice. That is with heavy usage and this last month having a nearly two hour Skype conversation with a friend of mine where I used 2GB in one sitting!!! I also use my phone with the free WiFi Hotspot feature that comes with the 5GB & 10GB data plan as my computer's internet provider. I don't have a physical cable in my house, just my Amaze.
As far as speed, my friends with iPhones on ALL 3 NETWORKS (Sprint, Verizon and AT&T) all get slower speeds than I do. I was challenged by them and shut them all up in contests against google searches, Siri vs Google Voice Search and Speedtest.net. I have also speedtested the nicer handsets by Samsung and HTC running on AT&T and matched or beat them in my city in a few places around town. Sprint's speed was not even on the radar, barely chugging at 1mbps usually. I pull over 12 mbps usually everywhere I go, with upload speeds from 5-8 mbps on average.
As far as data, I have never gone over my 5GB but see how others could, and I bet when T-mobile gets LTE Advance up and running I'll add in the extra 5 gigs.
The greater points I'm making are the following:
A) Sprint's network it a sham. Even when they finally get around to offering LTE in California, which will be who-knows-when, T-mobile will have switched on its LTE advanced release 10 network, with HSPA+ 42.2 mbps backup, nationally. If you're a Sprint user, jump ship now or when T-mobile lights it up in 2013.
B) It's pretty darn hard to use up 5 Gigs per month if your not a power user. I don't know how someone with the HTC Amaze and the Usage monitor that is part of T-mobile's apps and in the HTC phone itself can't determine what was eating up data. That just doesn't make sense. You can easily pinpoint what's using your data by using the included Usage setting on your phone. And if 5GB isn't enough, get 10! But that option does exist.
C) T-mobile may not offer unlimited data speed at 4G, but get a 10GB plan and you will fly over the speeds you get on Sprint and save money while doing it. You could pay one price on Sprint for 1.5 mbps download speed unlimited (SLOW), or you could pay the same, maybe a little less and get 10GB at 4G speeds on T-mobile... and then in 2013 enjoy them lighting up a national LTE advance network that will arguably be the speediest LTE network on the planet.
D) The HTC Amaze is one bad-ass MoFo of a phone.
That is all.

for me i switched from t-mobile to boost because of their lack of 3g/4g in my town on t-mobile i was always on edge it is very slow, i switched to boost and i have EvDO now, its not the best of the best but atleast i can open a website now without my screen timing out. :good:

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I used to be a Sprint store technician, and when the Epic Touch had the Loss of Signal issue (which has long been fixed, officially), Sprint's Tech Support over the phone told me that I should have bought an iPhone because Android always breaks. Word for word. I was like, ok so give me an iPhone, I'll give back the Epic Touch. And they said no.
These days you have to fend for yourself unfortunately. Chances are, if you're an XDA user, you know more than a carrier's tech support.
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You know what, they did the same thing to my dad. There was a hardware issue with his OG evo (a great phone during its day) where the speaker was going too quiet. The sales guy basically was telling him how it's because it's an android phone, how much better iphone is, etc.
Honestly I think the reason they are doing this is because they literally bet their future on the iphone. They are guaranteed to be paying apple 16 billion dollars over the next 4 years, regardless of whether or not they actually sell that much money worth of iphones. You better believe that they are going to try their damndest to sell them.
Anyways, I'm thinking of ditching sprint for t-mobile myself. I live in phoenix, which has zero 4g coverage from sprint. Several years back they told me that they would be deploying wimax here shortly. Where are we now? Nowhere.
I called them earlier today to cancel one of my lines, and they kept asking me if I want to use it for a data card, or if I just wanted to hold on to it "just in case" etc. I told the lady that I am thinking of switching to t-mobile, gave her all of these reasons why, and she brings up the "unlimited data" talking point. I kind of chuckle under my breath, and then tell her that their 3g service is really slow, their 4g service barely compares to other carrier's 3g service, and finally, they don't even offer 4g in my area, which is the 6th largest city in the US. She then tells me that they are going to be offering it here soon, so I tell her that that's what they told me a few years ago.
Yeah there are "rumors" that phoenix is due early in their second rollout, however similar rumors kept surfacing about wimax coming to phoenix next an entire year after it finished rolling out everywhere else. Other smaller towns outside of the valley (and I mean like over 70 miles away) got it, but not in the valley area.
In any case, I am on my third "4g" phone, and still have not ever had 4g. Even if LTE came soon to my area, I'm not terribly excited about it, mainly because the LTE gnex has a quarter of the battery life of the HSPA version when both are actively using 4g. I don't care if LTE is 10% faster, it's a huge f*cking battery drain.
Anyways, I'm not a heavy data user, so 4g hasn't been a huge priority to me. What is annoying is how I have to fight sprint's billing department every other month because they always manage to screw up something on my bill and overcharge me. I've been dealing with this for the last 7 years and I am tired of it. Sprint sucks, 'nuff said.
I really want to jump off of sprint, but I am hesitant because I don't know if t-mobile's voice service is more spotty, because according to sensorly their coverage is about 80% of that of sprint in my area. However, t-mobile would save me $40 a month, and because of the company I work for, I will have the activation fee waived.

Sprint coverage is so spotty. According to the coverage map I'm suppose to get 4g in my neighborhood and I don't. 98% percent of the time I'm on slow 3g. With T-Mobile I'm on 4g everywhere I go and its a good feeling to pull out your phone and handle your business with ease and speed unlike sprint.
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Do you trust Sprint's LTE plans?

Like many other original Evo 4G owners, I'm now looking for the next phone as my contract is about to be over. And luckily enough, we have 2 new devices coming soon - HTC One X (or Evo One) to be revealed on 4th, and Galaxy SIII sometime soon.
Obviously the next phone will be LTE, but I don't know if Sprint can be trusted to give me coverage. Verizon already has LTE pretty much everywhere and its damn fast. Sprint is losing lots of money, who knows if they'll ever catch up. It's also not known if Sprint users will be able to roam on LTE.

im in the same situation and wondering the same thing. i guess we will have to just wait and see?
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I am most likely going to be getting the htc evo one too. never seen such a beautiful phone lol

I trust Sprint's LTE plans.

It is a very aggressive roll out plan. If it does not work the repercussions could be huge.
I know personally I am going to stick with Sprint. If it takes a little while to get LTE in my area I know I still have 3G with a good plan.
I'm debating holding off on a new phone until towards the end of the year so there is time to get the LTE going.

Nope, don't trust them at all. Will believe in their LTE coverage when it's available in my area, already got burned once with Wimax.

According to the release maps, my area isn't slated to get LTE til at least the end of 2013. And that's not even technically my area, just a few cities around here, so I might not even get it at all. I am REALLY considering moving to Verizon next month, even though it will cost me at least 60 bucks more a month. But they do have working 4g everywhere in my area, AND 3g speeds that aren't sprint's dial-up speeds.

Just a little info for you guys about lte. When you look at a verison lte coverage map what your really looking at is the data coverage zone,not actual lte coverage. They have been caught doing this several times. Verison will admit that the map you look at is not actual lte coverage but data. Plus who wants a $130 monthly bill and no real unlimited. If you've never had them do yourself a favor and stay away.
Google it, you'll be surprised how they screw you,tell you about it then keep telling lies.
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Being completely selfish here, but Atlanta has great Wimax coverage, so I'm fine if the LTE takes a long time to roll out. That said, I definitely don't believe Sprint (or any tech/mobile company) when they give dates for service/product improvements. Also, I will never go back to a provider with data caps. I use my phone for almost everything. I watch tons of stuff on Netflix, I wifi tether my laptop when I'm out and about (and my wife's Ipad when she needs a wifi connection), GPS Nav, Pandora/Last.fm music, skype video chat, etc. I would hit that 2GB-4GB cap in a matter of days.

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Being completely selfish here, but Atlanta has great Wimax coverage, so I'm fine if the LTE takes a long time to roll out. That said, I definitely don't believe Sprint (or any tech/mobile company) when they give dates for service/product improvements. Also, I will never go back to a provider with data caps. I use my phone for almost everything. I watch tons of stuff on Netflix, I wifi tether my laptop when I'm out and about (and my wife's Ipad when she needs a wifi connection), GPS Nav, Pandora/Last.fm music, skype video chat, etc. I would hit that 2GB-4GB cap in a matter of days.
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Yea 4g coverage is amazing here in atlanta but I never use it even tho I'm full bars on 4g. It kills your battery to bad and I'm always on WiFi and 3g isn't that bad
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The fact of the matter is; when sprint's 3G is back up and running as good as it used to, it's plenty fast enough for almost anything you will be doing on your phone, including streaming Netflix, downloads, etc. Network vision is supposed to be a major improvement so I would have to assumed that the upgraded 3G on it's own would be more than capable of satisfying most data needs. I say this because right before the HTC EVO was released I was consistantly getting between 2 - 3mb download speeds on Sprint's 3G with the much lower spec'd HTC Touch Pro, Blackberry curve, and even the Palm Pre. Once the EVO came out it was like somebody turned off the light switch and 3G went to total crap overnight and never come back since. Just my opinion. I'm going to wait it out and see how the Network Vision performs before I bail or go to a different carrier with much more expensive and capped data plans. i'd advise others to do the same.

I do. After the less than stellar WiMax move, and them not exactly being in the best position, I expect a strong push. Remains to be seen, but I'm looking for a solid next step.
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The only thing I trust from Sprint is that my plan will remain 30 dollars cheaper than the other guys. I don't trust any sort of data speed at all from them, haha. If I were rich, I would be on Verizon.

I plan on giving them until May 7th (i can leave ETF free at that point)
If they don't have some decent phone offerings or significant LTE advancement, i'm going to AT&T with my wife. The speeds in Texas are insane and since i've gotten used to using WIFI while on sprint, a 5gb limit on mobile data with ATT should be no problem.

I don't trust them totally. With two different companies that went bust I hope they do something good.

personally i am sceptical, but i think that they should know that a botched LTE rollout would infuriate many customers. A lot of us got screwed with the whole Wimax deal. We got our nice new phones(Evo 4G) and had to pay an extra $10/month for "premium data", not 4G coverage, which never came to most areas. The kicker is if you call sprint and mention anything aboiut their 4G coverage or 3G speeds, they will tell you "go to another carrier". they know damn well they are the only ones offering unlimited and unthrottled data, and they sure do use that to their advantage.
But back to the topic at hand... I think if Sprint wants to stay competative, they MUST stay on track with their 4G rollout.

Well....
Since Baltimore is one of the scheduled first cities, I can't wait! But I will not be surprised if the unlimited plan goes up $10. Despite Verizon and AT&T having LTE first, they still have limitations on usage and data. We shall soon see.

well i hope dis LTE is batter then dis weak 4g

Sprint confirms LTE phones will feature unlimited data.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/03/sprint-lte-unlimited-data-everything-plan/

I wanted to switch to Verizon as they have lte in Bakersfield but my mom pays the bill at the moment so I'm stuck going to att getting the galaxy note. I would switch screw sprint I've been a customer since 2004 and now seeing everyone else with their new phones and 3g that actually hits pass 1meg.... I'm switching
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personally i am sceptical, but i think that they should know that a botched LTE rollout would infuriate many customers. A lot of us got screwed with the whole Wimax deal. We got our nice new phones(Evo 4G) and had to pay an extra $10/month for "premium data", not 4G coverage, which never came to most areas. The kicker is if you call sprint and mention anything aboiut their 4G coverage or 3G speeds, they will tell you "go to another carrier". they know damn well they are the only ones offering unlimited and unthrottled data, and they sure do use that to their advantage.
But back to the topic at hand... I think if Sprint wants to stay competative, they MUST stay on track with their 4G rollout.
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They never tell me to go to another carrier. And they know their 3g sucks as I called and gave them **** over that. I would rather go to Verizon pay a little extra and actually get to use the lte network than being stuck with the slowest network offering unlimited data, you can't even use the damn data it's so slow
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